Do you all really need blue badges?

LAST Friday my wife and I visited Morrison's in West Kirby and while she did our weekly shop, I sat in the cafe and had a coffee.

Overlooking the Disabled Bays adjacent to the cafe window I started to keep a record and 'ticked' against those who clearly had a mobility problem, against those who clearly didn't.

Over a period of an hour, I had nine 'ticks' on my Newspaper, all in the 'wrong' column!!

Not one of these nine had a stick(s), was in a wheelchair, or was blind (as per Wirral Council regulations) and three of them didn't seem to have a Blue Badge whatsoever.

Now I understand that West Kirby is a town that has many elderly people and, as such, there are many who need and rely on Blue Badges to get close to commercial establishments.

But it is those who take the proverbial that need looking at.

Why does it seem that everyone over 50 in West Kirby has a Blue Badge?

Is there a prerequisite that on reaching the age of 50, you troop along to the doctor complain of a bad back and obtain your "Disabled Entitlement"?

It is infuriating to see people park in disabled bays, throw the Blue Badge on the dashboard, leap out of their Mercedes or BMW and then run into nearby shops like Usain Bolt!

Who is at fault here? The doctors who seem to give carte blanch entitlement? Individuals who misuse family members Blue Badges? The council and/or commercial establishments who do not enforce parking regulations?

Or is it pure laziness and a lack of community spirit?

West Kirby Resident by email.

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4:10pm Tue 13 Mar 12

ConcernedRatePayer says...

Well Observed. Unfortunately, I think this complete flouting of the Blue Badge Regulations by more than a few selfish non-law abiding miscreants, seems to becoming the norm nowadays. There should be a Clamp down on any obvious abuses
Well Observed. Unfortunately, I think this complete flouting of the Blue Badge Regulations by more than a few selfish non-law abiding miscreants, seems to becoming the norm nowadays. There should be a Clamp down on any obvious abuses ConcernedRatePayer
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8:40pm Tue 13 Mar 12

bickyboy says...

Fear not: the Tories have the situation in their sights, and many of those currently able to get out and about because they have blue badges and the benefits that go with them will soon lose those benefits, become housebound, impoverished and suffering from chronic bedsores into the bargain.
Fear not: the Tories have the situation in their sights, and many of those currently able to get out and about because they have blue badges and the benefits that go with them will soon lose those benefits, become housebound, impoverished and suffering from chronic bedsores into the bargain. bickyboy
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12:36pm Wed 14 Mar 12

littlestar84 says...

What a sad man. You must be great company for you wife in a cafe doing that. Sadly, part of the 'demonisation of the disabled' culture. You have no idea what is wrong with the blue badge holders, you cannot tell disability just by looking at a person. I feel sad that such people exist who actually sit in cafes ticking a list like this. And what do they make of cars have to do with anything? Presumably disabled people can work hard and make lots of money, despite their short comings? I suggest the man minds his own business, and targets the MPs who fleece this country with their fraud expenses. Or the businesses not paying their VAT and correct taxes. Many disabled people are now scared touse their blue badges for fear of harassment. Sad world.
What a sad man. You must be great company for you wife in a cafe doing that. Sadly, part of the 'demonisation of the disabled' culture. You have no idea what is wrong with the blue badge holders, you cannot tell disability just by looking at a person. I feel sad that such people exist who actually sit in cafes ticking a list like this. And what do they make of cars have to do with anything? Presumably disabled people can work hard and make lots of money, despite their short comings? I suggest the man minds his own business, and targets the MPs who fleece this country with their fraud expenses. Or the businesses not paying their VAT and correct taxes. Many disabled people are now scared touse their blue badges for fear of harassment. Sad world. littlestar84
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12:42pm Wed 14 Mar 12

littlestar84 says...

Also, the eligibility for a blue badge is as follows:

Anyone over two years old automatically qualifies for a Blue Badge if they:
•are registered blind
•receive a War Pensioner’s Mobility supplement

•receive the higher rate of the mobility component of Disability Living Allowance
•have received a lump sum benefit from the Armed Forces and Reserve Forces Compensation Scheme (within tariff levels 1-8) and have been certified as having a permanent and substantial disability which causes inability to walk or very considerable difficulty in walking


Other people who may qualify for a Blue Badge

If you do not automatically qualify, you may need to be assessed by your local authority.

Anyone over two years old may be eligible for a Blue Badge, if they either:
•have a permanent and substantial disability which means they cannot walk, or makes walking very difficult
•drive a motor vehicle regularly and have a severe disability in both arms, making it very difficult or impossible to operate parking meters
Also, the eligibility for a blue badge is as follows: Anyone over two years old automatically qualifies for a Blue Badge if they: •are registered blind •receive a War Pensioner’s Mobility supplement •receive the higher rate of the mobility component of Disability Living Allowance •have received a lump sum benefit from the Armed Forces and Reserve Forces Compensation Scheme (within tariff levels 1-8) and have been certified as having a permanent and substantial disability which causes inability to walk or very considerable difficulty in walking Other people who may qualify for a Blue Badge If you do not automatically qualify, you may need to be assessed by your local authority. Anyone over two years old may be eligible for a Blue Badge, if they either: •have a permanent and substantial disability which means they cannot walk, or makes walking very difficult •drive a motor vehicle regularly and have a severe disability in both arms, making it very difficult or impossible to operate parking meters littlestar84
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1:31pm Wed 14 Mar 12

spanner82 says...

I find it quite pathetic in this day and age that there are still people who cannot recognise a disability is not always visually apparent. If you have hours of spare time why not put it to better use and do some voluntary activities, perhaps working with the infirm to gain a better insight. Would be a much better use of your time.
I find it quite pathetic in this day and age that there are still people who cannot recognise a disability is not always visually apparent. If you have hours of spare time why not put it to better use and do some voluntary activities, perhaps working with the infirm to gain a better insight. Would be a much better use of your time. spanner82
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5:15pm Wed 14 Mar 12

Whitecap68 says...

spanner / littlestar - do you live in the real world? I cannot believe that have written such views. I know the writer of this letter and he does work for free as a Counsellor / Mentor to Military Veterans. The fact he made a list was not a planned operation, rather than an observation made from activities he witnessed whilst his wife was shopping in a busy supermarket. Somewhere that he would have struggled to get around on this particular day. Furthermore, this is only half the letter he sent to the Globe, so a lot of his points have been ommitted and as such, there are many points 'lost in translation'. As for recognising a disability, he has recognised that he is not an expert and is not arguing against those that need Blue badges, rather than those who do not need them, lie their way to get one, or use one that belongs to someone in their family, hence the BMW/Mercedes culture. The Government has recognised this themselves and is acting on the matter.
As for a sad man, if the Globe had published the entire letter he sent in, he declared himself as disabled and a veteran of 21 yrs Military Service. Not really a sad man is he? Oh and as for having a go at Fraud, maybe you should see some of my other posts on this forum. Something that the writer of this letter has done something about in the past and wrote to relevant MPs. I will accept that it is sometimes hard to get points across when writing, but may I suggest that in this case you now think twice about what you have written.
spanner / littlestar - do you live in the real world? I cannot believe that have written such views. I know the writer of this letter and he does work for free as a Counsellor / Mentor to Military Veterans. The fact he made a list was not a planned operation, rather than an observation made from activities he witnessed whilst his wife was shopping in a busy supermarket. Somewhere that he would have struggled to get around on this particular day. Furthermore, this is only half the letter he sent to the Globe, so a lot of his points have been ommitted and as such, there are many points 'lost in translation'. As for recognising a disability, he has recognised that he is not an expert and is not arguing against those that need Blue badges, rather than those who do not need them, lie their way to get one, or use one that belongs to someone in their family, hence the BMW/Mercedes culture. The Government has recognised this themselves and is acting on the matter. As for a sad man, if the Globe had published the entire letter he sent in, he declared himself as disabled and a veteran of 21 yrs Military Service. Not really a sad man is he? Oh and as for having a go at Fraud, maybe you should see some of my other posts on this forum. Something that the writer of this letter has done something about in the past and wrote to relevant MPs. I will accept that it is sometimes hard to get points across when writing, but may I suggest that in this case you now think twice about what you have written. Whitecap68
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9:37am Thu 15 Mar 12

Wirralrob says...

It's worth remembering that these Champagne-swigging Bubbles-de-Vere types are akin to benefit thieves, as those 4X4 Chelsea Tractors are paid for from the income taxes of people working for minimum wage at McDonalds.

Britain stinks. (often)
It's worth remembering that these Champagne-swigging Bubbles-de-Vere types are akin to benefit thieves, as those 4X4 Chelsea Tractors are paid for from the income taxes of people working for minimum wage at McDonalds. Britain stinks. (often) Wirralrob
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8:27pm Thu 15 Mar 12

blueannoyed says...

whitecap is disability only allowed to be visible and exclusive to disabled elderly exmilitary then? wirral rob the cars are not paid by taxpayer on min wage the dla claimant loses the mobility componebnt to pay for this car out their benefit so get your facts rights. little star and spanner hats off to you both ,disability isnt always visible many like myself are subject to abuse without other disabled people making lists and judging who should and shouldnt get a blue badge. the spin on blue badge misuse is as bad calling sick and disabled people scroungers and workshy. humnaity and kindness are exstinct these days where people think work= the right to judge other,it doesnt!
it people like this that cause the 48% rise in disablity hate crimes since the gov attack on the sick and disabled. leave your sun and daily mail in bin where it belongs
whitecap is disability only allowed to be visible and exclusive to disabled elderly exmilitary then? wirral rob the cars are not paid by taxpayer on min wage the dla claimant loses the mobility componebnt to pay for this car out their benefit so get your facts rights. little star and spanner hats off to you both ,disability isnt always visible many like myself are subject to abuse without other disabled people making lists and judging who should and shouldnt get a blue badge. the spin on blue badge misuse is as bad calling sick and disabled people scroungers and workshy. humnaity and kindness are exstinct these days where people think work= the right to judge other,it doesnt! it people like this that cause the 48% rise in disablity hate crimes since the gov attack on the sick and disabled. leave your sun and daily mail in bin where it belongs blueannoyed
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9:14pm Thu 15 Mar 12

bickyboy says...

The biggest "disability hate crime" of all is the government's assault on the benefits of the sick and disabled.

As for abuse of the blue badge scheme: human beings are genetically conditioned to jump at the chance of "something for nothing". If someone offered me the opportunity to run a new car which ordinarily, I couldnt possibly afford to own, and if I thought there was a chance I could convince a doctor that I couldnt walk more than a few yards so he would allow me a badge, I'd give it a shot.
Who wouldnt?
The biggest "disability hate crime" of all is the government's assault on the benefits of the sick and disabled. As for abuse of the blue badge scheme: human beings are genetically conditioned to jump at the chance of "something for nothing". If someone offered me the opportunity to run a new car which ordinarily, I couldnt possibly afford to own, and if I thought there was a chance I could convince a doctor that I couldnt walk more than a few yards so he would allow me a badge, I'd give it a shot. Who wouldnt? bickyboy
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9:25pm Thu 15 Mar 12

littlestar84 says...

Whitecap- yes I do live in the real world. The sad real world where genuine disabled people who are entitled to their blue badge live in fear of using it, because they are harrassed and questioned for "looking" fine. I cannot imagine why anyone would sit and make a list like this. Just because someone has done military service doesn't mean they can behave like this and pass judgement on others.

The free cars are a myth, people need to get their head out of the Daily Mail and start reading actual newspapers like the Guardian, or merely gain an awareness of the facts and not the right wing lies.

I am 'disabled', and don't look it. I don't need to claim benefits (thankfully) and cannot drive, but it has given me a great empathy for all those with unseen conditions and the stigma we face.

Disabled people can work in high paid jobs, and can afford nice cars (not that a BMW or Mercedes is necessarily special, they can be picked up very cheap like any other car depending on age).

The government has recognised it can bully and violate the disabled, whilst hiding behind the justification of this scrounger discourse. Wake up and smell the coffee. If you want to catch scroungers, campaign to get every expense fraud MP locked away, and every tax exile millionaire brought to justice. But don't pick on those whose lives are hard enough as it is.
Whitecap- yes I do live in the real world. The sad real world where genuine disabled people who are entitled to their blue badge live in fear of using it, because they are harrassed and questioned for "looking" fine. I cannot imagine why anyone would sit and make a list like this. Just because someone has done military service doesn't mean they can behave like this and pass judgement on others. The free cars are a myth, people need to get their head out of the Daily Mail and start reading actual newspapers like the Guardian, or merely gain an awareness of the facts and not the right wing lies. I am 'disabled', and don't look it. I don't need to claim benefits (thankfully) and cannot drive, but it has given me a great empathy for all those with unseen conditions and the stigma we face. Disabled people can work in high paid jobs, and can afford nice cars (not that a BMW or Mercedes is necessarily special, they can be picked up very cheap like any other car depending on age). The government has recognised it can bully and violate the disabled, whilst hiding behind the justification of this scrounger discourse. Wake up and smell the coffee. If you want to catch scroungers, campaign to get every expense fraud MP locked away, and every tax exile millionaire brought to justice. But don't pick on those whose lives are hard enough as it is. littlestar84
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9:52am Fri 16 Mar 12

MLPCR0 says...

"Over a period of an hour, I had nine 'ticks' on my Newspaper, all in the 'wrong' column!!

Not one of these nine had a stick(s), was in a wheelchair, or was blind (as per Wirral Council regulations) and three of them didn't seem to have a Blue Badge whatsoever."

Ok, let's stipulate Mr West Kirby was just idling away time whilst waiting for Mrs West Kirby, hey my kids used to count Minis, so why not...

Going back to the above quote though: 9 vehicles, 3 of which didn't have a Blue Badge. So there and then, that's a THIRD of people who don't belong n the argument. If they don't have a badge, they can't be abusing the badge. They're abusing the parking space, but that's another argument.

Then there were 6, apparently not disabled at all.
Randomly: 1 x spinal cancer, 1 x autistic, 1 x Crohn's Disease, 1 x colon cancer, 1 x part-amputee with leg prosthesis, 1 x epileptic... some with carers, some not. Do you really want me to go on?

Fact is, there are *more* invisible than visible disabilities, and they have to face discrimination and doubt and hatred and accusations every - single - day because of people like Mr West Kirby, idly keeping himself occupied by compiling a list without any knowledge of what goes on in people's lives. That may be the saddest thing of all. :-(
"Over a period of an hour, I had nine 'ticks' on my Newspaper, all in the 'wrong' column!! Not one of these nine had a stick(s), was in a wheelchair, or was blind (as per Wirral Council regulations) and three of them didn't seem to have a Blue Badge whatsoever." Ok, let's stipulate Mr West Kirby was just idling away time whilst waiting for Mrs West Kirby, hey my kids used to count Minis, so why not... Going back to the above quote though: 9 vehicles, 3 of which didn't have a Blue Badge. So there and then, that's a THIRD of people who don't belong n the argument. If they don't have a badge, they can't be abusing the badge. They're abusing the parking space, but that's another argument. Then there were 6, apparently not disabled at all. Randomly: 1 x spinal cancer, 1 x autistic, 1 x Crohn's Disease, 1 x colon cancer, 1 x part-amputee with leg prosthesis, 1 x epileptic... some with carers, some not. Do you really want me to go on? Fact is, there are *more* invisible than visible disabilities, and they have to face discrimination and doubt and hatred and accusations every - single - day because of people like Mr West Kirby, idly keeping himself occupied by compiling a list without any knowledge of what goes on in people's lives. That may be the saddest thing of all. :-( MLPCR0
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10:52am Fri 16 Mar 12

No.9 says...

bickyboy wrote:
The biggest "disability hate crime" of all is the government's assault on the benefits of the sick and disabled.

As for abuse of the blue badge scheme: human beings are genetically conditioned to jump at the chance of "something for nothing". If someone offered me the opportunity to run a new car which ordinarily, I couldnt possibly afford to own, and if I thought there was a chance I could convince a doctor that I couldnt walk more than a few yards so he would allow me a badge, I'd give it a shot.
Who wouldnt?
Me!
[quote][p][bold]bickyboy[/bold] wrote: The biggest "disability hate crime" of all is the government's assault on the benefits of the sick and disabled. As for abuse of the blue badge scheme: human beings are genetically conditioned to jump at the chance of "something for nothing". If someone offered me the opportunity to run a new car which ordinarily, I couldnt possibly afford to own, and if I thought there was a chance I could convince a doctor that I couldnt walk more than a few yards so he would allow me a badge, I'd give it a shot. Who wouldnt?[/p][/quote]Me! No.9
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2:28pm Fri 16 Mar 12

Whitecap68 says...

MLPCR0 wrote:
"Over a period of an hour, I had nine 'ticks' on my Newspaper, all in the 'wrong' column!!

Not one of these nine had a stick(s), was in a wheelchair, or was blind (as per Wirral Council regulations) and three of them didn't seem to have a Blue Badge whatsoever."

Ok, let's stipulate Mr West Kirby was just idling away time whilst waiting for Mrs West Kirby, hey my kids used to count Minis, so why not...

Going back to the above quote though: 9 vehicles, 3 of which didn't have a Blue Badge. So there and then, that's a THIRD of people who don't belong n the argument. If they don't have a badge, they can't be abusing the badge. They're abusing the parking space, but that's another argument.

Then there were 6, apparently not disabled at all.
Randomly: 1 x spinal cancer, 1 x autistic, 1 x Crohn's Disease, 1 x colon cancer, 1 x part-amputee with leg prosthesis, 1 x epileptic... some with carers, some not. Do you really want me to go on?

Fact is, there are *more* invisible than visible disabilities, and they have to face discrimination and doubt and hatred and accusations every - single - day because of people like Mr West Kirby, idly keeping himself occupied by compiling a list without any knowledge of what goes on in people's lives. That may be the saddest thing of all. :-(
FOR GODS SAKE PEOPLE!!!!!
You are all on the same page here and arguing the same points!!!
Littlestar, you are clearly reading more into this than what was wrote and as I said THE PAPER HAS EDITED HIS LETTER and many things can be lost in translation and exact meanings misunderstood in such forums!!
There are two arguments here - people who abuse the car parking spaces and people who abuse blue badges. You are all on the same page, arguing the same points and reading more into this than what was originally wrote / meant.
Nevertheless, Mr West Kirby was having a brew, he noticed someone park in a disabled slot, run into the shop and leave 10 mins later and jump into his car and drive off; ergo taking a disabled car parking space he was not entitled too. It was a spur of the moment thing that he decided to tick things off whilst doing the crossword and waiting for his wife. Morrisons West Kirby has narrow aisles and he finds it hard to walk around and be jostled about as he suffers from PTSD, one of the worse invisible disabilities there are. He doesn't however claim anything for this nor does he use this as an excuse for any of his actions.
Llittlestar - MLPCRO, your comments are going too far and verging on being extremely personal and insulting. To suggest that Military Service is an excuse to make a list is IGNORANT AND SAD as is the accusation that he has no knowledge of what goes on in people's lives! I spoke with Mr West Kirby him last night and he is distraught that people have misunderstood his points, the paper has edited his letter and that you all are basically accusing him of hypocrisy and being hypercritical. In his letter that was edited he did state that some disabilities are invisible and he did not mean offence etc etc. The paper has set him up for such forum interest, probably without intent, but it has.
Basically there are people out there who are abusing the Blue Badge System FACT!
There are people who are misusing Disabled parking slots FACT!
These are the people who Mr West Kirby is arguing about and NOT THOSE WHO GENUINLY HAVE DISABILITIES AND NEED THEM!!!
Oh and I for one am proud of the fact there are Military veterans out there who fought for our freedom to be able to stand up and argue things in a free country. Such people also have pride, manners, community spirit and are the first to open a door and pull back a seat for someone. A pity that there are not more people such as him who actually care enough to try and make things better. As I said, he has also wrote to his MP about Fraud and as an MP himself, how he investigated such things in the Military and saw Soldiers prosecuted for less than what the MPs have done in their expenses claims.
I can go on fighting his corner but I fear that I am on a losing battle so this will be my last post in this forum, as a step to perhaps fully explain things and also to stop further accusations being thrown at a citizen you would all appreciate should you both know him and understand his way of life!
[quote][p][bold]MLPCR0[/bold] wrote: "Over a period of an hour, I had nine 'ticks' on my Newspaper, all in the 'wrong' column!! Not one of these nine had a stick(s), was in a wheelchair, or was blind (as per Wirral Council regulations) and three of them didn't seem to have a Blue Badge whatsoever." Ok, let's stipulate Mr West Kirby was just idling away time whilst waiting for Mrs West Kirby, hey my kids used to count Minis, so why not... Going back to the above quote though: 9 vehicles, 3 of which didn't have a Blue Badge. So there and then, that's a THIRD of people who don't belong n the argument. If they don't have a badge, they can't be abusing the badge. They're abusing the parking space, but that's another argument. Then there were 6, apparently not disabled at all. Randomly: 1 x spinal cancer, 1 x autistic, 1 x Crohn's Disease, 1 x colon cancer, 1 x part-amputee with leg prosthesis, 1 x epileptic... some with carers, some not. Do you really want me to go on? Fact is, there are *more* invisible than visible disabilities, and they have to face discrimination and doubt and hatred and accusations every - single - day because of people like Mr West Kirby, idly keeping himself occupied by compiling a list without any knowledge of what goes on in people's lives. That may be the saddest thing of all. :-([/p][/quote]FOR GODS SAKE PEOPLE!!!!! You are all on the same page here and arguing the same points!!! Littlestar, you are clearly reading more into this than what was wrote and as I said THE PAPER HAS EDITED HIS LETTER and many things can be lost in translation and exact meanings misunderstood in such forums!! There are two arguments here - people who abuse the car parking spaces and people who abuse blue badges. You are all on the same page, arguing the same points and reading more into this than what was originally wrote / meant. Nevertheless, Mr West Kirby was having a brew, he noticed someone park in a disabled slot, run into the shop and leave 10 mins later and jump into his car and drive off; ergo taking a disabled car parking space he was not entitled too. It was a spur of the moment thing that he decided to tick things off whilst doing the crossword and waiting for his wife. Morrisons West Kirby has narrow aisles and he finds it hard to walk around and be jostled about as he suffers from PTSD, one of the worse invisible disabilities there are. He doesn't however claim anything for this nor does he use this as an excuse for any of his actions. Llittlestar - MLPCRO, your comments are going too far and verging on being extremely personal and insulting. To suggest that Military Service is an excuse to make a list is IGNORANT AND SAD as is the accusation that he has no knowledge of what goes on in people's lives! I spoke with Mr West Kirby him last night and he is distraught that people have misunderstood his points, the paper has edited his letter and that you all are basically accusing him of hypocrisy and being hypercritical. In his letter that was edited he did state that some disabilities are invisible and he did not mean offence etc etc. The paper has set him up for such forum interest, probably without intent, but it has. Basically there are people out there who are abusing the Blue Badge System FACT! There are people who are misusing Disabled parking slots FACT! These are the people who Mr West Kirby is arguing about and NOT THOSE WHO GENUINLY HAVE DISABILITIES AND NEED THEM!!! Oh and I for one am proud of the fact there are Military veterans out there who fought for our freedom to be able to stand up and argue things in a free country. Such people also have pride, manners, community spirit and are the first to open a door and pull back a seat for someone. A pity that there are not more people such as him who actually care enough to try and make things better. As I said, he has also wrote to his MP about Fraud and as an MP himself, how he investigated such things in the Military and saw Soldiers prosecuted for less than what the MPs have done in their expenses claims. I can go on fighting his corner but I fear that I am on a losing battle so this will be my last post in this forum, as a step to perhaps fully explain things and also to stop further accusations being thrown at a citizen you would all appreciate should you both know him and understand his way of life! Whitecap68
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2:33pm Fri 16 Mar 12

Whitecap68 says...

MP as in military police.
MP as in military police. Whitecap68
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2:39pm Fri 16 Mar 12

Spiffy says...

"But it is those who take the proverbial that need looking at. "
...
The system IS abused and needs overhaul to ensure those who need it get the best possible help, those who don't need it all are refused and that no one is encouraged by their apparent success in defrauding the system to have a go themselves.
...
'Nuff said.
"But it is those who take the proverbial that need looking at. " ... The system IS abused and needs overhaul to ensure those who need it get the best possible help, those who don't need it all are refused and that no one is encouraged by their apparent success in defrauding the system to have a go themselves. ... 'Nuff said. Spiffy
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6:43pm Fri 16 Mar 12

naturalmum says...

yes, there are a very few who abuse disabled bays, and they should be clamped down on, however there are many, many more who have blue badges who have so called invisible illnesses which might not mean that they use crutches, wheelchairs, hobble etc, but that doesn't mean that they don't need the blue badge.

One example that leaps straight to mind is my friend's little girl. To you a lively happy toddler, running around all over the place... but in reality she has a serious heart condition which could flare up at a moment's notice and if that happens she will require urgent access to medical equipment and hospitalisation - not to be struggling into the car in a narrow gap miles from the shops or wherever!

They say ignorance is bliss... in some cases, ignorance can be fatal!
yes, there are a very few who abuse disabled bays, and they should be clamped down on, however there are many, many more who have blue badges who have so called invisible illnesses which might not mean that they use crutches, wheelchairs, hobble etc, but that doesn't mean that they don't need the blue badge. One example that leaps straight to mind is my friend's little girl. To you a lively happy toddler, running around all over the place... but in reality she has a serious heart condition which could flare up at a moment's notice and if that happens she will require urgent access to medical equipment and hospitalisation - not to be struggling into the car in a narrow gap miles from the shops or wherever! They say ignorance is bliss... in some cases, ignorance can be fatal! naturalmum
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10:12am Sat 17 Mar 12

bickyboy says...

littlestar84 wrote:
Whitecap- yes I do live in the real world. The sad real world where genuine disabled people who are entitled to their blue badge live in fear of using it, because they are harrassed and questioned for "looking" fine. I cannot imagine why anyone would sit and make a list like this. Just because someone has done military service doesn't mean they can behave like this and pass judgement on others.

The free cars are a myth, people need to get their head out of the Daily Mail and start reading actual newspapers like the Guardian, or merely gain an awareness of the facts and not the right wing lies.

I am 'disabled', and don't look it. I don't need to claim benefits (thankfully) and cannot drive, but it has given me a great empathy for all those with unseen conditions and the stigma we face.

Disabled people can work in high paid jobs, and can afford nice cars (not that a BMW or Mercedes is necessarily special, they can be picked up very cheap like any other car depending on age).

The government has recognised it can bully and violate the disabled, whilst hiding behind the justification of this scrounger discourse. Wake up and smell the coffee. If you want to catch scroungers, campaign to get every expense fraud MP locked away, and every tax exile millionaire brought to justice. But don't pick on those whose lives are hard enough as it is.
Some good points, Littlestar, though I would make one observation.
Its a mistake to routinely deride other people's opinion by dismissing it as a consequence of over exposure to tabloid reportage. People are perfectly capable of reaching conclusions about aspects of the world around them without ever reading the Mail, or the Express. It doesnt take much effort, nor does it require the reading of "right wing lies", to work out for oneself when visiting shopping centres or supermarkets that there ARE people who abuse the blue badge scheme.
The Mail and its fellow reactionary media outlets have, with their drip, drip campaign of "benefit scrounger" headlines encouraged the government to mount a scurrilous campaign of persecution against the sick and disabled; but those who abuse these schemes have played their own part in making it easy for the benefit Nazis to tar the disabled with the same brush.

So its perfectly reasonable for people to criticise them also.
[quote][p][bold]littlestar84[/bold] wrote: Whitecap- yes I do live in the real world. The sad real world where genuine disabled people who are entitled to their blue badge live in fear of using it, because they are harrassed and questioned for "looking" fine. I cannot imagine why anyone would sit and make a list like this. Just because someone has done military service doesn't mean they can behave like this and pass judgement on others. The free cars are a myth, people need to get their head out of the Daily Mail and start reading actual newspapers like the Guardian, or merely gain an awareness of the facts and not the right wing lies. I am 'disabled', and don't look it. I don't need to claim benefits (thankfully) and cannot drive, but it has given me a great empathy for all those with unseen conditions and the stigma we face. Disabled people can work in high paid jobs, and can afford nice cars (not that a BMW or Mercedes is necessarily special, they can be picked up very cheap like any other car depending on age). The government has recognised it can bully and violate the disabled, whilst hiding behind the justification of this scrounger discourse. Wake up and smell the coffee. If you want to catch scroungers, campaign to get every expense fraud MP locked away, and every tax exile millionaire brought to justice. But don't pick on those whose lives are hard enough as it is.[/p][/quote]Some good points, Littlestar, though I would make one observation. Its a mistake to routinely deride other people's opinion by dismissing it as a consequence of over exposure to tabloid reportage. People are perfectly capable of reaching conclusions about aspects of the world around them without ever reading the Mail, or the Express. It doesnt take much effort, nor does it require the reading of "right wing lies", to work out for oneself when visiting shopping centres or supermarkets that there ARE people who abuse the blue badge scheme. The Mail and its fellow reactionary media outlets have, with their drip, drip campaign of "benefit scrounger" headlines encouraged the government to mount a scurrilous campaign of persecution against the sick and disabled; but those who abuse these schemes have played their own part in making it easy for the benefit Nazis to tar the disabled with the same brush. So its perfectly reasonable for people to criticise them also. bickyboy
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6:18pm Sat 17 Mar 12

littlestar84 says...

Iain Duncan Smith is unleasing a 20% cut under the Welfare Reform Bill, despite there being only 0.5% fraud. I don't think it's reasonable for anyone to jump on this bandwagon and reinforce the message any further. I doubt very many people abuse the blue badge system at the moment, knowing the intense scrunity genuine badge holders are under. I have never tried to analyse a passerby in a carpark supermarket for their disability to be honest, probably because I am too busy, and secondly because due to the invisible nature of many disabilities, it would be a fruitless task.
Iain Duncan Smith is unleasing a 20% cut under the Welfare Reform Bill, despite there being only 0.5% fraud. I don't think it's reasonable for anyone to jump on this bandwagon and reinforce the message any further. I doubt very many people abuse the blue badge system at the moment, knowing the intense scrunity genuine badge holders are under. I have never tried to analyse a passerby in a carpark supermarket for their disability to be honest, probably because I am too busy, and secondly because due to the invisible nature of many disabilities, it would be a fruitless task. littlestar84
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10:32am Sun 18 Mar 12

bickyboy says...

My point is that theres a perception about the blue badge scheme which needs to be addressed. Those who have argued that some disabilities are invisible have argued it well; but we shouldnt try to stifle debate about the issue, even if by doing so, disabled people and their supporters believe we are making the government's disgraceful anti-welfare agenda easier to implement.
My point is that theres a perception about the blue badge scheme which needs to be addressed. Those who have argued that some disabilities are invisible have argued it well; but we shouldnt try to stifle debate about the issue, even if by doing so, disabled people and their supporters believe we are making the government's disgraceful anti-welfare agenda easier to implement. bickyboy
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2:30pm Sun 18 Mar 12

uncatom says...

Surely it is best to point out any perceived abuse of the system, those that abuse the system discredit the genuine badge holders it is also the abusers who have launched this governments attack on the disabled I have a 25 ish neighbour who is a holder of such a badge her excuse is she uses it to shop for her mum, nuff said,
Surely it is best to point out any perceived abuse of the system, those that abuse the system discredit the genuine badge holders it is also the abusers who have launched this governments attack on the disabled I have a 25 ish neighbour who is a holder of such a badge her excuse is she uses it to shop for her mum, nuff said, uncatom
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12:29pm Mon 19 Mar 12

davr0s says...

I wish I had nothing better to do with my life than sit in cafes making lists about people I don't know the first thing about so that I could send an indignant letter to my local newspaper.

Oh hang on, no I don't.
I wish I had nothing better to do with my life than sit in cafes making lists about people I don't know the first thing about so that I could send an indignant letter to my local newspaper. Oh hang on, no I don't. davr0s
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2:19pm Mon 19 Mar 12

daggers drawn says...

littlestar84 wrote:
What a sad man. You must be great company for you wife in a cafe doing that. Sadly, part of the 'demonisation of the disabled' culture. You have no idea what is wrong with the blue badge holders, you cannot tell disability just by looking at a person. I feel sad that such people exist who actually sit in cafes ticking a list like this. And what do they make of cars have to do with anything? Presumably disabled people can work hard and make lots of money, despite their short comings? I suggest the man minds his own business, and targets the MPs who fleece this country with their fraud expenses. Or the businesses not paying their VAT and correct taxes. Many disabled people are now scared touse their blue badges for fear of harassment. Sad world.
Sad man indeed. I live in a road where one householder has 2 cars a BMW & a Merc and yes they have blue badges!! Can I see they are not disabled? Not unless he takes his false leg off!! or his wife has a coughing fit (COPD) unable to walk most days! What a short sighted view you have of disabled people. If I see you in Morrison's cafe next time beware I might get my neighbour to prop your table up with his new stainless steel leg! Which he paid for because the NHS were unable to provide the one he purchased, and talking of purchased they both bought their cars, which benefits, employment, car tax, petrol etc.. so next time do us all a favour get the wife a taxi and stay at home! or better still do your shopping online!
[quote][p][bold]littlestar84[/bold] wrote: What a sad man. You must be great company for you wife in a cafe doing that. Sadly, part of the 'demonisation of the disabled' culture. You have no idea what is wrong with the blue badge holders, you cannot tell disability just by looking at a person. I feel sad that such people exist who actually sit in cafes ticking a list like this. And what do they make of cars have to do with anything? Presumably disabled people can work hard and make lots of money, despite their short comings? I suggest the man minds his own business, and targets the MPs who fleece this country with their fraud expenses. Or the businesses not paying their VAT and correct taxes. Many disabled people are now scared touse their blue badges for fear of harassment. Sad world.[/p][/quote]Sad man indeed. I live in a road where one householder has 2 cars a BMW & a Merc and yes they have blue badges!! Can I see they are not disabled? Not unless he takes his false leg off!! or his wife has a coughing fit (COPD) unable to walk most days! What a short sighted view you have of disabled people. If I see you in Morrison's cafe next time beware I might get my neighbour to prop your table up with his new stainless steel leg! Which he paid for because the NHS were unable to provide the one he purchased, and talking of purchased they both bought their cars, which benefits, employment, car tax, petrol etc.. so next time do us all a favour get the wife a taxi and stay at home! or better still do your shopping online! daggers drawn
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4:50pm Mon 19 Mar 12

Whitecap68 says...

Daggers Drawn / Davros.
I applaud you both. Seriously, well done in jumping on the band wagon here and joining in a thread that has simply got out of hand and seen individuals selectively edit this letter, choose what text they want and then add slate the writer in a manner that is both unnecessary and totally unwarranted. Erring again on insulting and personal, your points are nothing more than infantile.
FOR THE 3rd TIME THIS LETTER WAS EDITED BY THE PAPER PRIOR TO PUBLISHING!!
It is missing vital points that contradict the closing statement (Community Spirit) and added other issues such as why people get Blue Badges and why Disabled parking Bays exist. That being they are for people with poor mobility problems whether in care or by themselves, so they can get closer to commercial establishments!
They are not there for to be misused by the many who flaunt the ‘rules’ as a cause of pure laziness and a lack of community spirit.
As for being in a cafe at the time, so what; it is irrelevant to the true meaning of this letter. Why does this make him sad? Ask 100 men and I bet 90% will argue they would rather be doing anything rather than shop! I digress; other than to make both your comments fitting with the majority, they bare little or no relevance whatsoever. These matters / arguments had been thrashed out already and your inclusion only goes to prove one thing. I shall leave that particular point for you to chew on.
The ‘ticks’ on the newspaper was not “Operation Get the B’tard”, but in response to one person he clearly saw misusing a disabled bay as he happened to look up from his crossword (then followed by 2 more) and then others arguably misusing Blue badges as he sat there.
The point of BMW & Mercedes was that people driving such vehicles of the low sports car variety were seen to jump out of said vehicles and run into the shops; one in an MX 5 I think he said. This can be misinterpreted and Mr West Kirby was incorrect in his terminology here and that he wasn’t as clear as he could have been. Things can be lost in translation and it doesn’t help when comments are edited / missed out by the newspaper in question. He was driving at (excuse the pun) the argument that ‘do these drivers suffer Severe enough Mobility Problems to warrant a Blue Badge, if they can routinely drive these types of cars? A huge hole he left for himself to fall down in my opinion also.
This is a very emotive subject but let us face it, the main reason Blue Badges and Disabled bays are provided are for people with very poor Mobility Problems. FACT.
It brings around the huge argument that is currently facing this Government and for which a ‘clamp-down’ is currently being considered. PEOPLE MISUSE BLUE BADGES AND DISABLED BAYS. FACT!
Stringent regulations need to be brought in to stop people misusing both. FACT.
ARGUABLY - PEOPLE WHO NEED BAYS AND BADGES ARE NOT ABLE TO USE EITHER, DUE TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LITTLE OR NO MORAL VALUES OR COMMUNITY SPIRIT.
There are few Disabled Parking Bays outside most Commercial Departments and as more people now own a car than afore, these are in demand as we see more disabled drivers on the road. This may mean that more stringent regulations are needed – to limit Blue Badges to those with SEVERE MOBILITY PROBLEMS. I repeat – why do they exist in the first place?
Let us now close this thread and please, no more ‘let’s all gang up on him’ comments. Unless you have an argument or subject to discuss, leave the playground taunts for our children!
Daggers Drawn / Davros. I applaud you both. Seriously, well done in jumping on the band wagon here and joining in a thread that has simply got out of hand and seen individuals selectively edit this letter, choose what text they want and then add slate the writer in a manner that is both unnecessary and totally unwarranted. Erring again on insulting and personal, your points are nothing more than infantile. FOR THE 3rd TIME THIS LETTER WAS EDITED BY THE PAPER PRIOR TO PUBLISHING!! It is missing vital points that contradict the closing statement (Community Spirit) and added other issues such as why people get Blue Badges and why Disabled parking Bays exist. That being they are for people with poor mobility problems whether in care or by themselves, so they can get closer to commercial establishments! They are not there for to be misused by the many who flaunt the ‘rules’ as a cause of pure laziness and a lack of community spirit. As for being in a cafe at the time, so what; it is irrelevant to the true meaning of this letter. Why does this make him sad? Ask 100 men and I bet 90% will argue they would rather be doing anything rather than shop! I digress; other than to make both your comments fitting with the majority, they bare little or no relevance whatsoever. These matters / arguments had been thrashed out already and your inclusion only goes to prove one thing. I shall leave that particular point for you to chew on. The ‘ticks’ on the newspaper was not “Operation Get the B’tard”, but in response to one person he clearly saw misusing a disabled bay as he happened to look up from his crossword (then followed by 2 more) and then others arguably misusing Blue badges as he sat there. The point of BMW & Mercedes was that people driving such vehicles of the low sports car variety were seen to jump out of said vehicles and run into the shops; one in an MX 5 I think he said. This can be misinterpreted and Mr West Kirby was incorrect in his terminology here and that he wasn’t as clear as he could have been. Things can be lost in translation and it doesn’t help when comments are edited / missed out by the newspaper in question. He was driving at (excuse the pun) the argument that ‘do these drivers suffer Severe enough Mobility Problems to warrant a Blue Badge, if they can routinely drive these types of cars? A huge hole he left for himself to fall down in my opinion also. This is a very emotive subject but let us face it, the main reason Blue Badges and Disabled bays are provided are for people with very poor Mobility Problems. FACT. It brings around the huge argument that is currently facing this Government and for which a ‘clamp-down’ is currently being considered. PEOPLE MISUSE BLUE BADGES AND DISABLED BAYS. FACT! Stringent regulations need to be brought in to stop people misusing both. FACT. ARGUABLY - PEOPLE WHO NEED BAYS AND BADGES ARE NOT ABLE TO USE EITHER, DUE TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LITTLE OR NO MORAL VALUES OR COMMUNITY SPIRIT. There are few Disabled Parking Bays outside most Commercial Departments and as more people now own a car than afore, these are in demand as we see more disabled drivers on the road. This may mean that more stringent regulations are needed – to limit Blue Badges to those with SEVERE MOBILITY PROBLEMS. I repeat – why do they exist in the first place? Let us now close this thread and please, no more ‘let’s all gang up on him’ comments. Unless you have an argument or subject to discuss, leave the playground taunts for our children! Whitecap68
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4:58pm Mon 19 Mar 12

Whitecap68 says...

Oh and I am not singling anyone out or arguing the little girl with heart probs doesn't need a blue badge - what I am saying is that the system has been misused and agreeing with the main point Mr West Kirby is making and that is the system needs overhauling - just claryfing a point after I posted. Something that is hard when you have already sent a letter to a Newspaper. In hindsight we all wish we could have written or said things in a different way sometimes.
Oh and I am not singling anyone out or arguing the little girl with heart probs doesn't need a blue badge - what I am saying is that the system has been misused and agreeing with the main point Mr West Kirby is making and that is the system needs overhauling - just claryfing a point after I posted. Something that is hard when you have already sent a letter to a Newspaper. In hindsight we all wish we could have written or said things in a different way sometimes. Whitecap68
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1:05pm Tue 20 Mar 12

davr0s says...

Unless the paper has edited things in as well as out, he's still basically been sitting in a cafe marking off people's behaviour outside - and highlighting the issues with that is probably less infantile than saying doing so is infantile.

Ad hominems aside, in fact I agree that parking preference should be mostly (not exclusively) for those with disabilities directly affecting mobility. So do the government, which is why the qualifying criteria includes a mobility component.

The Department for Transport has also recognised the need for people with IBD, colitis or Crohn's to seek toilet facilities at short notice. These are not visible disabilities (or if they are, they didn't park close enough).

I'm sure blue badges do occasionally get abused, and those in genuine need occasionally suffer as a result.

I suspect the most common abuse is by people borrowing others' badges, not by dishonestly getting one of their own. Perhaps the badge should show a photo of the holder, who must be in the vehicle.
Unless the paper has edited things in as well as out, he's still basically been sitting in a cafe marking off people's behaviour outside - and highlighting the issues with that is probably less infantile than saying doing so is infantile. Ad hominems aside, in fact I agree that parking preference should be mostly (not exclusively) for those with disabilities directly affecting mobility. So do the government, which is why the qualifying criteria includes a mobility component. The Department for Transport has also recognised the need for people with IBD, colitis or Crohn's to seek toilet facilities at short notice. These are not visible disabilities (or if they are, they didn't park close enough). I'm sure blue badges do occasionally get abused, and those in genuine need occasionally suffer as a result. I suspect the most common abuse is by people borrowing others' badges, not by dishonestly getting one of their own. Perhaps the badge should show a photo of the holder, who must be in the vehicle. davr0s
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2:42pm Tue 20 Mar 12

Whitecap68 says...

davr0s - they do have photographs but on the reverse!! I do believe that with the overhaul of the scheme, the redesign of the badge is also a factor - but we shall see if this includes an ‘uppermost’ photograph! I dare say that there will be some ‘issue’ from the Equality Politicians.
As for borrowing others - this is something that has also been recognised - for example someone who usually travels in a relative’s car leaves their blue badge in the vehicle and it is then misused by the driver.
The theft of Blue Badges and ergo their misuse is less of a problem but it does happen.
On another note, we all people watch as well and that is all Mr West Kirby did, but he happened to have a pen and paper with him. I cannot understand why this is such an emotive issue for you. He saw a public nuisance happen and in a way wanted to do something about it.
I fear that linked to this particular issue is the inherent problem of people losing their ‘public responsibilities’. More and more people are backing away from challenging issues that affect every day life and we now live in a society where the general public sometimes live in fear of their own neighbourhood. I am of the belief that general respect for our fellow man in something that fades more and more every day. Mr West Kirby is touching on just one of these issues in a way .
Unfortunately, we now live in a society where we are becoming more insular and care for ourselves first. Our fellowman is now a stranger to us and our society seems to have an ‘I don’t care less’ attitude to public decency issues.
Such a pity; love thy neighbour .......... I don't think so anymore.
davr0s - they do have photographs but on the reverse!! I do believe that with the overhaul of the scheme, the redesign of the badge is also a factor - but we shall see if this includes an ‘uppermost’ photograph! I dare say that there will be some ‘issue’ from the Equality Politicians. As for borrowing others - this is something that has also been recognised - for example someone who usually travels in a relative’s car leaves their blue badge in the vehicle and it is then misused by the driver. The theft of Blue Badges and ergo their misuse is less of a problem but it does happen. On another note, we all people watch as well and that is all Mr West Kirby did, but he happened to have a pen and paper with him. I cannot understand why this is such an emotive issue for you. He saw a public nuisance happen and in a way wanted to do something about it. I fear that linked to this particular issue is the inherent problem of people losing their ‘public responsibilities’. More and more people are backing away from challenging issues that affect every day life and we now live in a society where the general public sometimes live in fear of their own neighbourhood. I am of the belief that general respect for our fellow man in something that fades more and more every day. Mr West Kirby is touching on just one of these issues in a way . Unfortunately, we now live in a society where we are becoming more insular and care for ourselves first. Our fellowman is now a stranger to us and our society seems to have an ‘I don’t care less’ attitude to public decency issues. Such a pity; love thy neighbour .......... I don't think so anymore. Whitecap68
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8:03pm Tue 20 Mar 12

Jimrob says...

Seems to me that we NEVER had this type of discussion when the only disability car one could have was one of those little blue three-wheeler ones.

Not much use if you needed a carer to be with you I know, but for those that don't, I wonder just how many people would give up the mobility component of their DLA if the 3-wheeler was the only vehicle on offer.

Not all disabilities ARE visible, we know. But fraudsters don't exactly go round town with "Mobility Cheat" tatooed on their foreheads either.

In my view. There should be many more Disabled Bays provided by supermarkets and the Local Authority in the first place.

The REAL cheats are the bankers who have bankrupted our country and continue to do so on a daily basis. I don't see any Government Investigation going on that will curtail their actions, so until I do. Please leave the disabled alone.
Seems to me that we NEVER had this type of discussion when the only disability car one could have was one of those little blue three-wheeler ones. Not much use if you needed a carer to be with you I know, but for those that don't, I wonder just how many people would give up the mobility component of their DLA if the 3-wheeler was the only vehicle on offer. Not all disabilities ARE visible, we know. But fraudsters don't exactly go round town with "Mobility Cheat" tatooed on their foreheads either. In my view. There should be many more Disabled Bays provided by supermarkets and the Local Authority in the first place. The REAL cheats are the bankers who have bankrupted our country and continue to do so on a daily basis. I don't see any Government Investigation going on that will curtail their actions, so until I do. Please leave the disabled alone. Jimrob
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