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UPDATED: Wirral man jailed for refusing to pay council tax
10:50am Friday 6th July 2012 in News By Stephanie Cureton
Scene from the protest outside court last March
A WIRRAL man whose supporters tried to “arrest” a judge last year has been sent to prison for not paying his council tax.
On Monday, Roger Hayes - chairman of the British Constitution Group - became only the second person in Wirral to be jailed for not paying the tax.
When the authorities tried to bring him to book last year for the same offence, there was a riot that closed streets around Birkenhead.
More than 600 people turned out to support him in his protest that council tax was unlawful.
They stormed Birkenhead County Court and tried to perform a citizen’s arrest on Judge Michael Peake, who had to be rescued by police in scenes of uproar.
A council spokesman confirmed Mr Hayes has now been handed a 21-day sentence by magistrates for “wilful refusal” to pay his council tax bill.
Officers issued a warrant for his arrest on Saturday after he failed to show up for a hearing last week.
This time, the rioting protestors stayed away.
Council leader Phil Davies said: “Beginning committal proceedings for non-payment of council tax is very much a last resort for any local authority but, in this instance, the magistrate agreed that Mr Hayes had wilfully refused to pay and committed him to prison for 21 days.
“Cases such as this are thankfully very rare but the outcome proves that in circumstances where an individual makes a conscious decision not to pay their council tax and efforts to force them to do so fail, the result is that they will go to prison.
“Council tax is an essential means of revenue enabling the council and other agencies to provide valuable services on behalf of local residents.
“We appreciate that there may be circumstances where people are having difficulties paying their council tax through hardship and we would urge these people to get in touch with us as soon as possible so we can work together on a solution.”
Comments(94)
mb2496
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5:28pm Tue 3 Jul 12
mrmitee
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5:53pm Tue 3 Jul 12
mb2496 wrote:Well in a common law jurisdiction, it is the service provider who should be moving if they wish to provide those services without a lawful contract. They are the one breaking the law so they can provide services on behalf of others. Even if 99 out of a hundred said they wanted those services, they cannot lawfully compel another to accept them as well. How's this: I provide protection services, and if you do not like it get off my planet. Make sense or not? If not, why should they make sense when the service is trash pick up, and the geographical area is smaller?
Don't be a moron! If you do not wish their services you'd best go and find another country to live in, where council tax does not exist. When you find such a country, you're likely to experience real extortion. Very glad this idiot has been sent to prison.
james04
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7:04pm Tue 3 Jul 12
Why can't the council provide it's 'contributors' with a detailed breakdown of how their money is used? I'll tell you why - because the VAST majority of it is being used to fund the monolithic war machine and to pay off JUST the interest on the debts to the private banking cartels for these wars and that realisation would cause a bit of bother for the government I suspect, so they'll just hope the masses blindly conform and imprison those who don't as a deterrent, as they need that revenue to keep rolling in...
jargon buster
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7:09pm Tue 3 Jul 12
Not took you too long to try and take this off topic and get people answering your questions has it?
The fact remains, your accomplice at the helm of the Lawful Bank is up the creek without a paddle, are you going to contact the police and get him released with some of you magic words?
mrmitee
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7:18pm Tue 3 Jul 12
jargon buster wrote:Making sense has never been in your wheelhouse has it JB?
Well hello Mrmittee of the Rob family.
Not took you too long to try and take this off topic and get people answering your questions has it?
The fact remains, your accomplice at the helm of the Lawful Bank is up the creek without a paddle, are you going to contact the police and get him released with some of you magic words?
mrmitee
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7:48pm Tue 3 Jul 12
jargon buster wrote:Desperate for attention JB? Did you ask your RANDI forum mates to see your post here? Need validation and attention don't you? :D
Well hello Mrmittee of the Rob family.
Not took you too long to try and take this off topic and get people answering your questions has it?
The fact remains, your accomplice at the helm of the Lawful Bank is up the creek without a paddle, are you going to contact the police and get him released with some of you magic words?
rumpelstilzchen
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8:03pm Tue 3 Jul 12
jargon buster
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8:21pm Tue 3 Jul 12
Hows your consumer purchase scam going?
Did Debbie get her wall built?
How the might have fallen hey Robert, king of the freeman forums to posting on a merseyside newspaper comments page.
The freeman on the land who is banned from Ickes freeman forum.
jargon buster
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8:32pm Tue 3 Jul 12
Hamilton1907
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8:37pm Tue 3 Jul 12
mrmitee wrote:If you do not wish their services then don't walk on the pavements, don't put rubbish in your bin, don't need help if incapacitated, the list goes on.
"Council Tax is an essential means of revenue enabling the council and other agencies to provide valuable services on behalf of local residents." They provide services 'on behalf of' others, not 'too others' and need money to do that? What if people do not wish their services? If you do not have a choice, it is NOT a service. It is extortion.
It's not Pic'nMix, it's society.
If you do not like, don't be 'extorted', buy a time machine and go back to the sixteenth century...then you'll see extortion!!
dumnonian sovereign
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8:39pm Tue 3 Jul 12
Spiffy
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8:41pm Tue 3 Jul 12
jargon buster wrote:Oi you don't be coming here kicking off and slagging off the forum...there's nowt wrong with it !
Where have you been Robert?
Hows your consumer purchase scam going?
Did Debbie get her wall built?
How the might have fallen hey Robert, king of the freeman forums to posting on a merseyside newspaper comments page.
The freeman on the land who is banned from Ickes freeman forum.
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How rude ! Cheeky b*st*rd...
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*gets popcorn*
jargon buster
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8:49pm Tue 3 Jul 12
jargon buster
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8:56pm Tue 3 Jul 12
dumnonian sovereign wrote:Do you pay consumption taxes dumnonian?
It is actually a crime at both international and domestic law to pay or assist a government engaged in war crimes as the UK government and crown is under such legislation as the international criminal court act, the nuremberg principles & the aiders and abettors act. Those supporting his imprisonment would do well to inform themselves more fully on the serious matters affecting the people of this land.
If so you are alos funding the war machine, guilty as charged, you will swing with us.
Hamilton1907
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9:06pm Tue 3 Jul 12
As most will be well aware Wirral Council has been the brunt of a good deal of negative press lately, one could say justifiably so.
The crux is with this guy is that he lives on the Wirral, Wirral is administered by Wirral Council and there is a local tax in order to pay for local services.
'Roger' (or whichever entity he chooses to use) refuses to contribute to those services so pays the price after having used those services.
Paul Wesson
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9:15pm Tue 3 Jul 12
rumpelstilzchen
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9:15pm Tue 3 Jul 12
Hamilton1907 wrote:Ah but, Roger Hayes would say the council tax bill applies to ROGER HAYES and not Roger Hayes. He has this warped belief that in law a name in all caps can only represent a legal fiction and not a flesh and blood human being.
Is it salient to say that council tax is used for local services and not central government purposes?
As most will be well aware Wirral Council has been the brunt of a good deal of negative press lately, one could say justifiably so.
The crux is with this guy is that he lives on the Wirral, Wirral is administered by Wirral Council and there is a local tax in order to pay for local services.
'Roger' (or whichever entity he chooses to use) refuses to contribute to those services so pays the price after having used those services.
jargon buster
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9:46pm Tue 3 Jul 12
Hell we may even do the 'consent' roundabout with them if they're lucky.
rumpelstilzchen
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10:13pm Tue 3 Jul 12
jargon buster wrote:Oh right. So the people of Merseyside are unaware of the pseudo-legal nonsense that Hayes has gleaned from the American sovereign citizen/detaxer websites and has then attempted to use in an English court with exactly the same result as those sovs?
Rumpel, nooooo.. these guys are not familiar with the insanity of the freeman cult, you need to ease them into it gently.
Hell we may even do the 'consent' roundabout with them if they're lucky.
jargon buster
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10:38pm Tue 3 Jul 12
Im sure they can use the Google search facility and find out for them selves though.
Positive thinker
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10:44pm Tue 3 Jul 12
jargon buster
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10:46pm Tue 3 Jul 12
jargon buster
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11:09pm Tue 3 Jul 12
Spiffy
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11:12pm Tue 3 Jul 12
jargon buster wrote:LOL @ PT.
purple aki?
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jargon buster - you assume we're all either too thick or uneducated here to know or have heard of Freemen or their legal theories and professed personal principles and least of all Richard Hayes. You suggest we can google about him about him and his "radical far right racist connections"....what
ever *that* actually means in these politically correct times...and yet can't be ar*sed to google "purple aki" ?
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Oh, the irony.
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No disrespect an all that , mate. Just sayin, like. Know worra mean, mate.
dumnonian sovereign
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11:29pm Tue 3 Jul 12
Paul Wesson wrote:Paul, good evening. Firstly your first proposition is assumed... I am not aware of any evidence that backs up the proposition that Roger expects the people of Wirral to pay these taxes. On the contrary I think you'll find he would suport all that will not. Secondly, making ad hominen sarcastic attacks about the level of legal knowledge is a far cry from reasonable debate. Thirdly, nobody has rebutted the original comment i made and rebutted the position that paying government (central or local) engaged in war crimes is unlawful and it is our duty at law to refuse to pay them. I would argue that you really have not demonstrated as claimed that you have knowledge of the serious matters affecting the people of this land, such as a criminal financial system (which ultimately effects everything including even the requirement for payment for services), a criminal government, a bought and a paid for media that produce the some of the sorts of responses found in this comments section.
dumnonian sovereign, I have made myself aware of the serious matters affecting the people of this land and I still can't see how Roger Hayes expecting the people of Wirral to pay taxes so he can enjoy the benefits of the services provided helps. The organisation you and he and some other posters are involved in starts from a position that you know more about the law than all the lawyers in the UK combined (improbable as many of your members are unlettered and virtually semi-literate). I pity the people of Wirral who have to pay more to cover for your collective idiocy.
jaynette
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11:39pm Tue 3 Jul 12
Well he didn't! and niether did anyony else.he has told some whoppers has Mr Roger Hayes.
Spiffy
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11:40pm Tue 3 Jul 12
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Ho hum, nearly me bedtime anyway. I'll just go perm me roots, trim me muzzy and iron me shell suit ready to walk me pitbull down to the offy for me stella when I gerrup tomoz afternoon.
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Nitey nite folks.
mrmitee
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2:54am Wed 4 Jul 12
rumpelstilzchen wrote:you might also like to know that imprisonment for non payment of debt is unlawful and illegal in the UK as the UK government has subscribed to the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights
Hey, Rob is this one of the countless court successes you claim is happening everywhere? Hayes believes in the "natural person is a legal fiction" stuff, he believes he can interpret law better than the judiciary, so what went wrong? Have they jailed the strawman?
Article 1 – Prohibition of imprisonment for debt
No one shall be deprived of his liberty merely on the ground of inability to fulfil a contractual obligation.
see the Law here http://conventions.c
oe.int/Treaty/en/Tre
aties/html/046.htm
mrmitee
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2:59am Wed 4 Jul 12
rumpelstilzchen wrote:you might also like to know that imprisonment for non payment of debt is unlawful and illegal in the UK as the UK government has subscribed to the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights
Hey, Rob is this one of the countless court successes you claim is happening everywhere? Hayes believes in the "natural person is a legal fiction" stuff, he believes he can interpret law better than the judiciary, so what went wrong? Have they jailed the strawman?
Article 1 – Prohibition of imprisonment for debt
No one shall be deprived of his liberty merely on the ground of inability to fulfil a contractual obligation.
see the Law here http://conventions.c
oe.int/Treaty/en/Tre
aties/html/046.htm
jargon buster
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6:31am Wed 4 Jul 12
Roger Hayes refused to pay his council tax, theres a difference of inability to pay and refusing to pay, unfortunately you have never been that good at reading and interpreting material have you?
I see you have deleted my posts from your silly website.
ThermalGloves
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7:23am Wed 4 Jul 12
Like Roger Hayes his latest scam involves taking money off people to invest in his fake bank.
Look up "The Lawful Bank" to see how honest the bankrupt Roger Hayes is.
mb2496
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7:59am Wed 4 Jul 12
rumpelstilzchen
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10:22am Wed 4 Jul 12
mrmitee wrote:Again the Canadian conman, Rob Menard, despite his claim he has spent over twenty thousand hours studying law (pause for gasps of amazement) demonstrates his ignorance. Non payment of debt and refusing to pay council tax are two separate issues. Also a mistake you are making is that you believe all law is contract law. But that is because you have gained your knowledge of law from wackadooster websites. Paying CT is not a contractual obligation. You really should try and get some formal law education behind you because once again you are exposing your ignorance.
rumpelstilzchen wrote:you might also like to know that imprisonment for non payment of debt is unlawful and illegal in the UK as the UK government has subscribed to the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights
Hey, Rob is this one of the countless court successes you claim is happening everywhere? Hayes believes in the "natural person is a legal fiction" stuff, he believes he can interpret law better than the judiciary, so what went wrong? Have they jailed the strawman?
Article 1 – Prohibition of imprisonment for debt
No one shall be deprived of his liberty merely on the ground of inability to fulfil a contractual obligation.
see the Law here http://conventions.c
oe.int/Treaty/en/Tre
aties/html/046.htm
How does it feel having your fellow collaborator in the lawful bank behind bars? Mind you you're used to that aren't you? You never put your own neck on the line do you? You teach this stuff but never do it yourself.
Is this a success for the "strawman theory"? Yes or No?
rumpelstilzchen
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11:03am Wed 4 Jul 12
ThermalGloves wrote:Indeed. Although Hayes is bankrupt he is in the process of setting up a bank (naughty naughty) and he has said he will take your deposits in GBP which he will "retire", and exchange it for lawful bank money. And some people are falling for this scam and are willing to give him money and have it "retired". A fool and his money etc etc
mrmittee, real name Robert Menard, is a Canadian conman.
Like Roger Hayes his latest scam involves taking money off people to invest in his fake bank.
Look up "The Lawful Bank" to see how honest the bankrupt Roger Hayes is.
mrmitee
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11:04am Wed 4 Jul 12
Positive thinker
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11:10am Wed 4 Jul 12
PaulCa
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11:43am Wed 4 Jul 12
rumpelstilzchen
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12:27pm Wed 4 Jul 12
PaulCa wrote:Indeed it would be awfully hypocritical. But, even if it is hypocritical that would not alter the fact that Hayes is liable for his CT.
It would be awfully hypocritical of Wirral Council if they evaded tax wouldn't it? So I'm not going to google "Wirral Council tax evasion allegation".
Spiffy
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1:44pm Wed 4 Jul 12
rumpelstilzchen wrote:Is he ?
PaulCa wrote:Indeed it would be awfully hypocritical. But, even if it is hypocritical that would not alter the fact that Hayes is liable for his CT.
It would be awfully hypocritical of Wirral Council if they evaded tax wouldn't it? So I'm not going to google "Wirral Council tax evasion allegation".
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The way I see it is we will never know whether he ...or anyone else....is "liable" for Council Tax since all the legal arguments against have never been fully presented, heard by a judge and jury and properly tested in any court of law.
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Ordinairy people such as ourselves can profess their own legal knowledge to be superior and call the guy and his ilk all the nasty names they like but that simple fact remains.
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Purely out of curiosity I'd like to see whether what he and his ilk have to say has any merit but also know the law courts would never allow it. If even half of what they have to say is true and properly tested our entire legal system and structure of governance could be brought to it's knees. That would never do...
rumpelstilzchen
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3:15pm Wed 4 Jul 12
Spiffy wrote:Spiffy wrote:
rumpelstilzchen wrote:Is he ?
PaulCa wrote:Indeed it would be awfully hypocritical. But, even if it is hypocritical that would not alter the fact that Hayes is liable for his CT.
It would be awfully hypocritical of Wirral Council if they evaded tax wouldn't it? So I'm not going to google "Wirral Council tax evasion allegation".
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The way I see it is we will never know whether he ...or anyone else....is "liable" for Council Tax since all the legal arguments against have never been fully presented, heard by a judge and jury and properly tested in any court of law.
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Ordinairy people such as ourselves can profess their own legal knowledge to be superior and call the guy and his ilk all the nasty names they like but that simple fact remains.
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Purely out of curiosity I'd like to see whether what he and his ilk have to say has any merit but also know the law courts would never allow it. If even half of what they have to say is true and properly tested our entire legal system and structure of governance could be brought to it's knees. That would never do...
"Is he ? ... The way I see it is we will never know whether he ...or anyone else....is "liable" for Council Tax since all the legal arguments against have never been fully presented, heard by a judge and jury and properly tested in any court of law. ..."
I would say that at this moment in time, yes, Hayes is liable for paying his council tax. Now, if in the future an appellate court were to examine this issue and the decision of the court was that no one is liable to pay council tax that would be a different matter. But until that happens Hayes is liable.
jargon buster
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3:33pm Wed 4 Jul 12
Your point being?
ThermalGloves
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3:45pm Wed 4 Jul 12
mrmitee wrote:The accusations are not baseless. You have yourself spent over ten years proving yourself to be a conman. Tell the readers about your latest scam, "The Association of Canadian Consumer Purchasers" where you teach people that, for a fee paid to you, they can get everything in life for free.
Rump and his minions can only insult and make baseless accusations. They also operate on such a level of ignorance as to be astounding. For instance, ask what evidence they have that I am a 'collaborator' with this 'Lawful Bank', and they have nothing but conjecture, but they will now accept it as truth and attack anyone who presents evidence to the contrary.
Spiffy
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4:13pm Wed 4 Jul 12
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The issue can very easily be examined by simply allowing a so-named "defendant" to to do just that...actually defend themselves fully within the confines of The Law... so there's no need for an appellate court after the fact.
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Until that happens though then all we have...and that includes judges...is personal opinion and best guess.
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I don't call that Justice.
Spiffy
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4:27pm Wed 4 Jul 12
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There'd be no need for an appellate court after the fact if a defendant in any court were allowed to do just that. To actually legally and lawfully defend themselves to the fullest extent of The Law. After all, they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of The Law. Yet there is no Quid Pro Quo.
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Until that happens then all we have...and that includes judges...is personal opinion and best guess. In the case of judges though this is too often backed by powerful vested interests.
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I don't call that Justice. I suspect others don't either even if they do accept it for some reason.
Spiffy
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4:31pm Wed 4 Jul 12
rumpelstilzchen
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4:35pm Wed 4 Jul 12
"There'd be no need for an appellate court after the fact if a defendant in any court were allowed to do just that."
Of course there would be a need for an appellate court's decision.
Or are you suggesting the government does not have the right to appeal the decision of a court?
Spiffy
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5:00pm Wed 4 Jul 12
rumpelstilzchen wrote:Don't be silly...I didn;t even mention "the government".
spiffy wrote:
"There'd be no need for an appellate court after the fact if a defendant in any court were allowed to do just that."
Of course there would be a need for an appellate court's decision.
Or are you suggesting the government does not have the right to appeal the decision of a court?
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I am suggesting a defendant should have the right to fully defend themselves within a court of law...within the confines of said Law...and that they currently don't...but if they did then this would negate the need for an appellate court to decide an issue of Law a defendant deems applicable to their case.
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Clear ?
Spiffy
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5:03pm Wed 4 Jul 12
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It should have read "but if they did then this would negate the need for an appellate court to decide (purely on behalf of the defendant) an issue of Law a defendant deems applicable to their case."
rumpelstilzchen
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5:08pm Wed 4 Jul 12
But if the case went in favour of the defendant the other side should be able to appeal that issue of law, No?
That is why I mentioned the government would probably want to appeal such a case.
rumpelstilzchen
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5:10pm Wed 4 Jul 12
But if the case went in favour of the defendant the other side should be able to appeal the decision regarding that issue of law, No?
Spiffy
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5:33pm Wed 4 Jul 12
rumpelstilzchen wrote:What do you mean "should"...they "are"...so kinda a moot point, really. But if it's necessary for an opinion on it then then yes, I agree they "should". Fair's fair.
That should have read:
But if the case went in favour of the defendant the other side should be able to appeal the decision regarding that issue of law, No?
kevin casey
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6:00pm Wed 4 Jul 12
jargon buster
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7:26pm Wed 4 Jul 12
Positive thinker
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7:28pm Wed 4 Jul 12
the other idiots who think he's acting in a correct manner,even when he gets out of jail he will still owe the money I think he's bit of a bit more than what he can chew.The thought of going to
prison if you didnt owe the money would make most people just pay up,Rodger needs to wake up and take notice of the law of the land you sad old fool
spamfiend
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10:21pm Wed 4 Jul 12
http://lawfulbank.co
m/Roger+Hayes+Arrest
ed
spamfiend
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10:26pm Wed 4 Jul 12
http://www.thebcgrou
p.org.uk/blog/update
-roger-hayes-impriso
nment
right good read. I love a bit of fiction before my horlicks....
ThermalGloves
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7:20am Thu 5 Jul 12
Roger Hayes is a bankrupt conman. Simples.
spamfiend
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8:02am Thu 5 Jul 12
ThermalGloves wrote:Ha ha!! All I can see is a bl@@dy meerkat trying to sell me banking now ;-)
If you like fiction then Roger Hayes and mrmitee, (Robert Menard), are your men. I'd have 3 cups of Horlicks because their brand of nonsense is so hilarious that it makes a fascinating bedtime story.
Roger Hayes is a bankrupt conman. Simples.
mrmitee
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10:45am Thu 5 Jul 12
ThermalGloves wrote:Saying your accusations are not baseless by making another baseless accusation does not help your position. Those who have spent their life bent over by the system hate to see others stand up to it. ACCP is happening and is lawful, just because you are too ignorant to analyze the foundational aspects of it does not mean it is a 'con'.
mrmitee wrote:The accusations are not baseless. You have yourself spent over ten years proving yourself to be a conman. Tell the readers about your latest scam, "The Association of Canadian Consumer Purchasers" where you teach people that, for a fee paid to you, they can get everything in life for free.
Rump and his minions can only insult and make baseless accusations. They also operate on such a level of ignorance as to be astounding. For instance, ask what evidence they have that I am a 'collaborator' with this 'Lawful Bank', and they have nothing but conjecture, but they will now accept it as truth and attack anyone who presents evidence to the contrary.
Positive thinker
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12:25pm Thu 5 Jul 12
jargon buster
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3:41pm Thu 5 Jul 12
Of course you havent or we would have heard about it, giddy up conman back to your pebbledashing.
pooboy
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4:25pm Thu 5 Jul 12
WHAT A STUPID ****.
i SUPPOSE IF HE COLLAPSED ON THE STREET,THEN HIS PERSONAL AMBULANCE HE PROVIDES FOR HIMSELF WILL TAKE HIM TO HIS PERSONAL HOSPITAL,WHERE HIS PERSONAL DOCTOR WILL GIVE HIM A NEW HEART OUT OF HIS PERSONAL ORGAN BANK.
THE GUY HAS NO RESPECT FOR THE AVERAGE WORKING CLASS MAN.HE IS SELFISH,ARROGANT,DOE
S NOT REPRESENT THE WORKING CLASS AND SHOULD BE SHIPPED OUT OF THE COUNTRY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WITH ALL THE OTHER TAX DODGERS AND ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
I HAVE TWO WORDS FOR THIS "MAN"
GET LOST.
pooboy
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4:33pm Thu 5 Jul 12
mrmitee
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5:59pm Thu 5 Jul 12
pooboy wrote:The idea that the money for that has to be paid by the people instead of spent into circulation by the government highlights just how well conditioned the people have become.
and before someone pipes up council tax does not pay the nhs,i am making the point that for other services,he will do the same? eg bury his own rubbish in his garden? i think not...
mrmitee
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6:02pm Thu 5 Jul 12
jargon buster wrote:Sure JB, er catweasel, it all revolves around YOU! Anything I do I would immediately bring to YOUR attention, and the fact I haven't done so is evidence to you that it has not happened. YOU are one very special individual, aren't you?
Menard, the ACCP is a con, you are a conman, have you as yet used the consumer credit as way of payment for anything yet?
Of course you havent or we would have heard about it, giddy up conman back to your pebbledashing.
ThermalGloves
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6:05pm Thu 5 Jul 12
ACCP is *not* happening and *is* a scam.
You are the almost as bad at being a conman as Roger Hayes is.
jargon buster
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8:26pm Thu 5 Jul 12
Good luck with the new ID on Ickes johnbc.
ThermalGloves
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1:55am Fri 6 Jul 12
Yet another man in prison for following your idiotic scam Rob.
Good work. Your morals are superb. Conman.
Ben Beaconsfield
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8:20am Fri 6 Jul 12
Possibly the funniest thing ever seen on the Globe website?
Positive thinker
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8:43am Fri 6 Jul 12
Purple Aki I would be keeping
my mouth firmly shut,
ThermalGloves
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11:36am Fri 6 Jul 12
Ben Beaconsfield wrote:Funniest is that the first post made was from a Canadian conman in support of British one.
I've just come across this thread by accident.
Possibly the funniest thing ever seen on the Globe website?
Positive thinker
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12:21pm Fri 6 Jul 12
you
mrmitee
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6:11pm Fri 6 Jul 12
ThermalGloves wrote:And you of course have proof of your allegations, right? Wait, no you do not, because it is not true. What is true is it must suck to be you! :P
Ben Beaconsfield wrote:Funniest is that the first post made was from a Canadian conman in support of British one.
I've just come across this thread by accident.
Possibly the funniest thing ever seen on the Globe website?
jargon buster
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6:32pm Fri 6 Jul 12
You can read all about him on James Randis forum in the conspiracy theory section, he is also banned from David Ickes freeman forums for posting forged documents, he's actually at it again posting under the name of johnbc.
Positive thinker
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7:15pm Fri 6 Jul 12
Rodger and his hunger strike,the
Pheasant dosnt deserve food,I only hope he does eat and the cooks have snoted ect ect in it
spamfiend
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7:24pm Fri 6 Jul 12
Positive thinker wrote:PT, what have you got against the poor pheasant lol... Tastes nice with a bit of redcurrant jelly mmmmm...
Anyone got anymore info about
Rodger and his hunger strike,the
Pheasant dosnt deserve food,I only hope he does eat and the cooks have snoted ect ect in it
ThermalGloves
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4:41am Sat 7 Jul 12
You are trying to scam people with your pretend bank, just like Roger Hayes.
You've been scamming for over ten years, the proof is all over the interwebz you moronic tramp!
Are you still denying that you conned Lance Thatcher out of several hunderd dollars in exchange for pretend legal advice that landed him in a mental ward and prison?
mrmitee
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1:00pm Sat 7 Jul 12
ThermalGloves wrote:So, no proof just more ad hominem attacks, right? Pretend bank? Are you on glue? If the proof is all over the web SHOW IT! Yes I deny that I conned Lance Thatcher. I tried to help him. Do you know what was said between us? If not, how can you claim to know he was conned? Narrow minded statist prefer to assume instead of think. Incidentally johnbc is not me. Of course, truth was never something you cared about eh?
Proof of my allegations? lol
You are trying to scam people with your pretend bank, just like Roger Hayes.
You've been scamming for over ten years, the proof is all over the interwebz you moronic tramp!
Are you still denying that you conned Lance Thatcher out of several hunderd dollars in exchange for pretend legal advice that landed him in a mental ward and prison?
jargon buster
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1:16pm Sat 7 Jul 12
Robert you are a conman through and through and not once have you ever tried to use your methods with a police officer or the courts, truth is you are a goody two shoes, to scared to step out of line.
wake up Rob, no one believes you crap anymore, why else are you trying to defend yourself in a Wirral newspaper blog????
i thought you had a worldwide following?
Go and talk to some people in the park, they might give you some spare change.
jargon buster
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1:18pm Sat 7 Jul 12
ThermalGloves
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1:33pm Sat 7 Jul 12
I invite every reader to search for your childish conman claims about Birth Certificates being secret bonds worth millions, your pretend police force known as C3PO, your latest scam The Association of Canadian Consumer Purchasers, your lies about how the Police will never arrest you because you are free to do whatever you like, your lies about taxing and insuring vehicles, your idiotic nonsense about Strawmen..... seriously you are an enormous bag of "Get the gullible to pay for my weed".
And yes, your latest scam the ACCP is about as honest as Roger Hayes' "Lawful Bank". People send you money for empty promises.
You didn't try to help Lance Thatcher at all. You sold false legal advice to a person with mental issues then blamed him when he got incarcerated.
When reminded that the authorities have banned you from pretending to be a lawyer you trot out your usual rubbish of "Prove I am the defendant."
And I have not once said that you are johnbc. Don't smoke that stuff so often and you might lose that paranoia you have.
Roger Hayes trots out his garbage about how ROGER HAYES is liable for Council tax but Roger Hayes is not. Just like you thinking that calling yourself Robert Arthur: Menard means that Robert Menard escapes authority by his cunning use of a colon.
Roger Hayes thinks that by continually stating "I am not bankrupt" alters the fact that he has been declared bankrupt.
Robert Menard and Roger Hayes are silly conmen. Simples.
spamfiend
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6:28pm Sat 7 Jul 12
WTF!!! I know George Lucas is trying to milk his cash cow, but I never thought he would go this low lol... Do they have a reserve police force called the R2D2's ????
jargon buster
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6:32pm Sat 7 Jul 12
Positive thinker
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2:15pm Sun 8 Jul 12
jargon buster
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3:27pm Sun 8 Jul 12
Positive thinker
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4:42pm Sun 8 Jul 12
mrmitee
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3:34am Mon 9 Jul 12
jargon buster wrote:Make sure you tell them how long you have been net stalking me and why you did so, (you know because I didn't answer a question on a forum and your ego couldn't stand that! Make sure you tell them you refuse to identify yourself because you are a coward, too eh?)
PS if anyone wants an e-mail from Rob admitting to me he sold Lance advice just say so and I will forward it on.
Ben Beaconsfield
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6:37am Mon 9 Jul 12
jargon buster
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8:33am Mon 9 Jul 12
Good luck trying to eek out a meagre living from the few desperate marks you have left.
council officer
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1:41pm Mon 9 Jul 12
bickyboy
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9:49am Tue 10 Jul 12
jargon buster
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11:48am Tue 10 Jul 12
red devil
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5:46pm Tue 10 Jul 12
jargon buster wrote:Funding the war machine??? Let me guess, you have never worked, you live in free accommodation, you claim benefits and claim free power! Am I at least half right? Council tax is for council services not for funding any so called 'war machine'. What a pathetic excuse for not paying. Go to jail, do not pass go and do not collect £200 benefit.
dumnonian sovereign wrote:Do you pay consumption taxes dumnonian?
It is actually a crime at both international and domestic law to pay or assist a government engaged in war crimes as the UK government and crown is under such legislation as the international criminal court act, the nuremberg principles & the aiders and abettors act. Those supporting his imprisonment would do well to inform themselves more fully on the serious matters affecting the people of this land.
If so you are alos funding the war machine, guilty as charged, you will swing with us.
jargon buster
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3:53pm Wed 18 Jul 12
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