Town Hall bungle means Lyndale meeting called off

Wirral Globe: Town Hall bungle means Lyndale meeting called off Town Hall bungle means Lyndale meeting called off

BUREAUCRATIC bungling has dashed the hopes of parents hoping to save a Wirral special needs school from a closure threat.

The ruling cabinet had voted to consult on the closure of the Lyndale School - but opposition councillors who strongly believe it should be saved used a “call-in” procedure to delay the cabinet’s decision.

The meeting was scheduled to take place tomorrow, Wednesday, but has had to be postponed until February 27 after the Town Hall’s response to the “call-in” was in breach of their own constitution.

Parents and church representatives had not been included on the committee to consider the controversial decision.

Councillor Leah Fraser, who is a member of the committee that will eventually examine the call-in, has described the response as “chaotic.”

She said: “The six councillors who called-in this decision have followed the Council’s Constitution and asked for the closure to be considered in more detail.

“For the town hall to bungle their own published constitution and exclude parents and church representatives from the matter is, frankly unacceptable.

“The parents and staff of Lyndale School deserve better than this chaos.”

Parent governor Zoe Anderson, whose daughter Lilly attends Lyndale, said she found the situation “remarkable”.

“I am just amazed that they can’t even get the basics of it right and I think everyone is of the same view.

“To be honest, it’s quite scary that they are deciding the future of my child and they can’t even get their house in order in terms of basic procedure. It doesn’t’ fill me with great confidence.

“Most of the parents will still be able to attend on February 27 but a lot are upset because they had all geared themselves up to go on Wednesday.

“It is remarkable that they cannot get the basics right.

“The council is on a tight time scale and I would hope that the local authority takes into account that there is going to be a delay – it has already been delayed a month by the call in and it hasn’t even happened yet.”

Council leader Phil Davies told the Globe: “The reason we can’t go along with the call in tomorrow is because we need to appoint two representatives of the parent governors and two representatives of the Catholic and Church of England Diocese for the committee and if we don’t the danger is that it’s unconstitutional.

“We legally need to have those additional representatives on the committee.”

When asked by the Globe why such representatives were not appointed before the scheduled call-in meeting on February 5, Councillor Davies said: “We need to appoint those four people and have them ratified by the council. The council does not meet until February 25.”

Joe Blott, strategic director for transformation and resources, said: “In order to ensure a robust process when considering this important matter the committee will invite representatives of the education community to join for consideration of this item.

“They will represent the Diocesan Council and other interested parties, including parent governor representatives from the wider school community.

“The meeting this week will therefore invite them to a future meeting where the matter will be considered fully.”

The 12-week consultation had been expected to start this month.

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10:09am Tue 4 Feb 14

Thepleb says...

They are a laughing stock these idiots haven't got a clue what they are doing
They are a laughing stock these idiots haven't got a clue what they are doing Thepleb
  • Score: 6

10:45am Tue 4 Feb 14

Growl Tiger says...

I do find it mystifying that we never get a statement from Mr Burgess who, I believe, is the Chief Executive of this badly run Council.

Could this be that since his arrival he has been too busy ensuring his temporary contract was made permanent, studying Farrow & Ball colour charts for the refurbishment of his executive suite and more recently making the difficult decision about which top of the range BMW to purchase. No doubt the scheme through which this recent acquisition has been made wouldn’t have been available to someone on a temporary contract.

The future of these children is on hold yet again through another case of Council mal administration, but no statement from the man in charge.
I do find it mystifying that we never get a statement from Mr Burgess who, I believe, is the Chief Executive of this badly run Council. Could this be that since his arrival he has been too busy ensuring his temporary contract was made permanent, studying Farrow & Ball colour charts for the refurbishment of his executive suite and more recently making the difficult decision about which top of the range BMW to purchase. No doubt the scheme through which this recent acquisition has been made wouldn’t have been available to someone on a temporary contract. The future of these children is on hold yet again through another case of Council mal administration, but no statement from the man in charge. Growl Tiger
  • Score: 6

10:55am Tue 4 Feb 14

WirralAl says...

"What does it matter these are only peoples lives that are being put on hold!"

Yet again all of us are shocked that this has reached such a level and that the council cannot actually manage to treat them as human beings never mind the fact that they are already having to face many more challenges than the rest of us.

Shame on this council. We will remember.
"What does it matter these are only peoples lives that are being put on hold!" Yet again all of us are shocked that this has reached such a level and that the council cannot actually manage to treat them as human beings never mind the fact that they are already having to face many more challenges than the rest of us. Shame on this council. We will remember. WirralAl
  • Score: 6

12:01pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Llamedos 1 says...

Absolutely incredible, however are we surprised knowing full well that this bunch of incompetent idiots couldn't organise a *iss up in a brewery unless of course they get to dip their snouts in the trough.
Absolutely incredible, however are we surprised knowing full well that this bunch of incompetent idiots couldn't organise a *iss up in a brewery unless of course they get to dip their snouts in the trough. Llamedos 1
  • Score: 7

12:02pm Tue 4 Feb 14

rover600 says...

What an abslute farce! This Council needs to hang its head in shame and embarrassment, they are meant to represent its constituents in a PROFESSIONAL manner, yet they make 'school boy errors' time and time again.

I cannot wait for the next round of Council elections I'd rather vote for a chimp than the incumbents. Were this a 'PLC' shareholders would have had this lot's 'heads on stakes' well before now.. This nonsense truly has to stop NOW!!
What an abslute farce! This Council needs to hang its head in shame and embarrassment, they are meant to represent its constituents in a PROFESSIONAL manner, yet they make 'school boy errors' time and time again. I cannot wait for the next round of Council elections I'd rather vote for a chimp than the incumbents. Were this a 'PLC' shareholders would have had this lot's 'heads on stakes' well before now.. This nonsense truly has to stop NOW!! rover600
  • Score: 10

1:30pm Tue 4 Feb 14

bigfoot says...

How convenient, it takes a clever person to play the fool. Perhaps the newly purchased Beemer will be used to deliver the next round of redundancy notices similar to the taxis used by comrade Hatton when Frank Drebin was a union rep in the peoples republic of Liverpool.
How convenient, it takes a clever person to play the fool. Perhaps the newly purchased Beemer will be used to deliver the next round of redundancy notices similar to the taxis used by comrade Hatton when Frank Drebin was a union rep in the peoples republic of Liverpool. bigfoot
  • Score: 8

1:38pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Thepleb says...

They need four representatives to out vote when the time comes and dress it up as diplomacy, they have already made their minds up.
They need four representatives to out vote when the time comes and dress it up as diplomacy, they have already made their minds up. Thepleb
  • Score: 4

2:02pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Mojo68 says...

I'm a single parent and to be able to attend this meeting I had to re-arrange nursery sessions and sort out further childcare issues that arose from the timings of the meeting. What a pity the council couldn't get their act together!! They can't organise a simple meeting yet we're supposed to trust their judgement when deciding our children's educational future. The council's incompetence is very worrying. In an email to a parent Frank Field (who has always seemed to show an interest in our school) he called the school "Lynwood" and then went on to tell her that the cost of educating our children had to be "fair" to all the other children across the borough, especially those in special schools. I emailed FF as I was totally disgusted with his email and the wording he chose to use. He then replied to me saying that if I knew the amount of work he undertook (even when it wasn't his job to) then I might be more sympathetic!!! I asked him whether he deemed it "fair" to deliberately underfund our childrens education so that the school appeared financially unstable? In 2010 an assessment was started on our children to do a yearly costing per child for their education yet this assessment was never completed. How then can they quote in the report that went to cabinet that the cost is £16'000 per child per annum?? On the subject again of being "fair" does FF or any other councillor believe it to be fair to spend in excess of £11 million pounds building a new Stanley School and also to spend money on Elleray Park on what will be 2 extensions in 3 years if the new extension goes ahead when The Lyndale School hasn't had a penny??? To say we are fuming would be an understatement!!
I'm a single parent and to be able to attend this meeting I had to re-arrange nursery sessions and sort out further childcare issues that arose from the timings of the meeting. What a pity the council couldn't get their act together!! They can't organise a simple meeting yet we're supposed to trust their judgement when deciding our children's educational future. The council's incompetence is very worrying. In an email to a parent Frank Field (who has always seemed to show an interest in our school) he called the school "Lynwood" and then went on to tell her that the cost of educating our children had to be "fair" to all the other children across the borough, especially those in special schools. I emailed FF as I was totally disgusted with his email and the wording he chose to use. He then replied to me saying that if I knew the amount of work he undertook (even when it wasn't his job to) then I might be more sympathetic!!! I asked him whether he deemed it "fair" to deliberately underfund our childrens education so that the school appeared financially unstable? In 2010 an assessment was started on our children to do a yearly costing per child for their education yet this assessment was never completed. How then can they quote in the report that went to cabinet that the cost is £16'000 per child per annum?? On the subject again of being "fair" does FF or any other councillor believe it to be fair to spend in excess of £11 million pounds building a new Stanley School and also to spend money on Elleray Park on what will be 2 extensions in 3 years if the new extension goes ahead when The Lyndale School hasn't had a penny??? To say we are fuming would be an understatement!! Mojo68
  • Score: 15

2:14pm Tue 4 Feb 14

JohnON says...

WirralAl wrote:
"What does it matter these are only peoples lives that are being put on hold!"

Yet again all of us are shocked that this has reached such a level and that the council cannot actually manage to treat them as human beings never mind the fact that they are already having to face many more challenges than the rest of us.

Shame on this council. We will remember.
"...manage to treat them as human beings...."

The reality is that they're little more than an item on an agenda.

Joe Blott, strategic director for transformation and resources, said so in the article above: “In order to ensure a robust process when considering this important matter the committee will invite representatives of the education community to join for consideration of this ITEM."
[quote][p][bold]WirralAl[/bold] wrote: "What does it matter these are only peoples lives that are being put on hold!" Yet again all of us are shocked that this has reached such a level and that the council cannot actually manage to treat them as human beings never mind the fact that they are already having to face many more challenges than the rest of us. Shame on this council. We will remember.[/p][/quote]"...manage to treat them as human beings...." The reality is that they're little more than an item on an agenda. Joe Blott, strategic director for transformation and resources, said so in the article above: “In order to ensure a robust process when considering this important matter the committee will invite representatives of the education community to join for consideration of this ITEM." JohnON
  • Score: 5

4:23pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Thepleb says...

This is the same Joe Blott super duper director who said the Councils Emergency Control Room was essential then closed it, they just look after themselves if you look at the upper echelons of the council not many of them live on the Wirral so they have no emotional ties when they make these decisions
This is the same Joe Blott super duper director who said the Councils Emergency Control Room was essential then closed it, they just look after themselves if you look at the upper echelons of the council not many of them live on the Wirral so they have no emotional ties when they make these decisions Thepleb
  • Score: 4

7:16pm Tue 4 Feb 14

OliverJones21 says...

Words just fail me .. So Frank Field thinks putting vulnerable children into schools where they are not wanted or understood is 'fair ' ? As if there is not already plenty of things in their lives which are not ' fair ' . Stanley School have no experience at all and Elleray Park may claim they have educated pupils with similar needs but only with one to one staff provided by the NHS to meet their care needs . Anyone who truly understands the needs of pupils at Lyndale ( not Lynwood ) will know the proposal is disgraceful .
Words just fail me .. So Frank Field thinks putting vulnerable children into schools where they are not wanted or understood is 'fair ' ? As if there is not already plenty of things in their lives which are not ' fair ' . Stanley School have no experience at all and Elleray Park may claim they have educated pupils with similar needs but only with one to one staff provided by the NHS to meet their care needs . Anyone who truly understands the needs of pupils at Lyndale ( not Lynwood ) will know the proposal is disgraceful . OliverJones21
  • Score: 7

7:30pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Joeblogg85 says...

Is anyone surprised? Of course not. This is Wirral a Council, where the abnormal is normal, don't forget!
Is anyone surprised? Of course not. This is Wirral a Council, where the abnormal is normal, don't forget! Joeblogg85
  • Score: 4

12:49pm Wed 5 Feb 14

hobroW says...

What do they have 11 solicitors for then?

To try not to answer FOI requests?

To sleepily intervene in Committee meetings with a sententious "It would not be appropriate to comment while investigation is ongoing"

Or a "Legal advice is that we delay, don't do , don't name, don.t, don't , don't..."

To prevent any executive action as oft repeated mantras issue forth, to which Councillors sagely nod

A lunatic in a strait-jacket would have a better chance of opening a tin of tomato soup with a tin-opener than this Council, or indeed of concluding any investigation.
Where is the Anthony Trollope or Tom Sharpe who's to write "Wirralcester's Staircase"
What do they have 11 solicitors for then? To try not to answer FOI requests? To sleepily intervene in Committee meetings with a sententious "It would not be appropriate to comment while investigation is ongoing" Or a "Legal advice is that we delay, don't do , don't name, don.t, don't , don't..." To prevent any executive action as oft repeated mantras issue forth, to which Councillors sagely nod A lunatic in a strait-jacket would have a better chance of opening a tin of tomato soup with a tin-opener than this Council, or indeed of concluding any investigation. Where is the Anthony Trollope or Tom Sharpe who's to write "Wirralcester's Staircase" hobroW
  • Score: 1

2:47pm Wed 5 Feb 14

RL 1952 says...

And so the farce continuers we have Joe Blott a supposed "super" director who seemingly is incapable of directing traffic never mind council departments in the council and what is being forgotten is the LIVES OF VULNERABLE CHILDREN, we have Phil Davies, Alison McGovern and Frank Field seemingly trying to use this very serious matter to gain votes whilst ignoring the vital aspect of all this THE CHILDREN AFFECTED.
Wirral CEO super directors and councillors have proven time and time again they have only one area focus self preservation and betterment and to hell with the needs of those who live in Wirral. The sooner commissioners are brought into Wirral the better as those at the top are a tragic insult to all residents/council taxpayers
And so the farce continuers we have Joe Blott a supposed "super" director who seemingly is incapable of directing traffic never mind council departments in the council and what is being forgotten is the LIVES OF VULNERABLE CHILDREN, we have Phil Davies, Alison McGovern and Frank Field seemingly trying to use this very serious matter to gain votes whilst ignoring the vital aspect of all this THE CHILDREN AFFECTED. Wirral CEO super directors and councillors have proven time and time again they have only one area focus self preservation and betterment and to hell with the needs of those who live in Wirral. The sooner commissioners are brought into Wirral the better as those at the top are a tragic insult to all residents/council taxpayers RL 1952
  • Score: 3

3:04pm Wed 5 Feb 14

johnbrace says...

Wirral Council has fifteen, not 11 solicitors. You can see the list of who all fifteen are here http://bit.ly/1kcwja
u .
Wirral Council has fifteen, not 11 solicitors. You can see the list of who all fifteen are here http://bit.ly/1kcwja u . johnbrace
  • Score: 1

6:09pm Wed 5 Feb 14

hobroW says...

johnbrace wrote:
Wirral Council has fifteen, not 11 solicitors. You can see the list of who all fifteen are here http://bit.ly/1kcwja

u .
I defer to my learned, very learned friend
[quote][p][bold]johnbrace[/bold] wrote: Wirral Council has fifteen, not 11 solicitors. You can see the list of who all fifteen are here http://bit.ly/1kcwja u .[/p][/quote]I defer to my learned, very learned friend hobroW
  • Score: 1

6:35pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Joeblogg85 says...

In his recent blog on the Council website, Phil Davies calls this team " a well oiled machine" the mind boggles! Ha ha, Wirral Council are just a joke.
In his recent blog on the Council website, Phil Davies calls this team " a well oiled machine" the mind boggles! Ha ha, Wirral Council are just a joke. Joeblogg85
  • Score: 1

9:13am Fri 7 Feb 14

Mojo68 says...

In reply to Joeblogg's comment maybe Phil Davies' team are well oiled on alcohol as quite clearly this bunch of morons cannot be of sound mind!!
I have been in contact via email with Frank Field, in his last correspondence he says that he needs me to provide evidence or as he calls it "hard data" the cost per year of educating our children, my reply to that being that it's the councils job to assess our children and do the costings and if a figure has been quoted in official reports then where is the council's evidence that their figure is correct?? I get "paid" just over £50 per week as a full time carer for my severely disabled child, which I do pretty **** well if I do say so myself. How much do these councillors/MP's get paid to NOT do their job well?? Think it's about time they pull their socks up, no actually resign would be better and let somebody with common sense and a modicum of decency take over!!
In reply to Joeblogg's comment maybe Phil Davies' team are well oiled on alcohol as quite clearly this bunch of morons cannot be of sound mind!! I have been in contact via email with Frank Field, in his last correspondence he says that he needs me to provide evidence or as he calls it "hard data" the cost per year of educating our children, my reply to that being that it's the councils job to assess our children and do the costings and if a figure has been quoted in official reports then where is the council's evidence that their figure is correct?? I get "paid" just over £50 per week as a full time carer for my severely disabled child, which I do pretty **** well if I do say so myself. How much do these councillors/MP's get paid to NOT do their job well?? Think it's about time they pull their socks up, no actually resign would be better and let somebody with common sense and a modicum of decency take over!! Mojo68
  • Score: 2

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