Concerns over coal 'gasification' off Wirral coast

CONCERNS about the possibility of coal "gasification" taking place off the Wirral coast will be discussed at a community meeting this weekend.

Margaret Greenwood, Labour's parliamentary candidate for Wirral West, met with residents in West Kirby to discuss the licence for Underground Coal Gasification (UCG) that was awarded to Cluff Natural Resources last January.

The licence – which covers more than 6,900 hectares of the Dee Estuary – could see a UCG plant built off the coast of West Kirby.

The process involves igniting underground coal reserves in order to generate gas for energy use.

But the potential siting of such a plant in Wirral has proved controversial, with many concerned it will cause damage to the local environment, including Hilbre Island.

Ms Greenwood told the Globe: “It is important that the local people are made aware of the risks involved in UCG.

“That is why we are calling a community meeting.

“The members of the public that we have spoken with were very concerned indeed – this is clearly an important issue for local people.

“The meeting is open to all, regardless of people’s political views, and I am keen to hear the views of local people on this matter.”

The meeting will take place at 1.30pm, on Saturday, February 1, in the small hall of United Reformed Church, Meols Drive, West Kirby.

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12:20pm Thu 30 Jan 14

bigfoot says...

Another parliamentary 'no hoper' trying to make a name for themselves.Why is the fragrant Esther not doing this? Seems she can't be bothered.
Another parliamentary 'no hoper' trying to make a name for themselves.Why is the fragrant Esther not doing this? Seems she can't be bothered. bigfoot

2:26pm Thu 30 Jan 14

nivekd says...

On the contrary, this is (apart from all the other policies of our distinctly un-fragrant coalition disaster) the biggest threat facing the people of Wirral. Thank goodness a parliamentary candidate is standing up to the Tory view that everything is for sale no matter what damage it causes to our world. I guess Tories feel they can always retreat to their pals' mansions down south or some relative's off-shore tax haven when our country dissolves in gas, floods and earthquakes caused by their fracking City chums.
On the contrary, this is (apart from all the other policies of our distinctly un-fragrant coalition disaster) the biggest threat facing the people of Wirral. Thank goodness a parliamentary candidate is standing up to the Tory view that everything is for sale no matter what damage it causes to our world. I guess Tories feel they can always retreat to their pals' mansions down south or some relative's off-shore tax haven when our country dissolves in gas, floods and earthquakes caused by their fracking City chums. nivekd

2:36pm Thu 30 Jan 14

nivekd says...

To read what disaster lies in store - for the fragrant and otherwise - look at http://newint.org/bl
og/2013/06/20/underg
round-coal-gasificat
ion-britain/
To read what disaster lies in store - for the fragrant and otherwise - look at http://newint.org/bl og/2013/06/20/underg round-coal-gasificat ion-britain/ nivekd

2:48pm Thu 30 Jan 14

JohnON says...

Great isn't it!!

A great swathe is cut through the Wirral Peninsula for the HVDC cable project because of "Environmental Concerns" about burying the cables under the Dee Estuary but Cluff Natural Resources apparently say it's safe to drill holes and set fire to the coal under there (and presumably anything else that will burn) - Well, they would say that, wouldn't they.
Great isn't it!! A great swathe is cut through the Wirral Peninsula for the HVDC cable project because of "Environmental Concerns" about burying the cables under the Dee Estuary but Cluff Natural Resources apparently say it's safe to drill holes and set fire to the coal under there (and presumably anything else that will burn) - Well, they would say that, wouldn't they. JohnON

3:01pm Thu 30 Jan 14

naughtykitties says...

So, essentially, what this does is deliberately replicate the Centralia mine fire in the United States or the coal field fire in Jharia, India?

The phrase "exceptionally stupid idea" springs to mind.
So, essentially, what this does is deliberately replicate the Centralia mine fire in the United States or the coal field fire in Jharia, India? The phrase "exceptionally stupid idea" springs to mind. naughtykitties

4:26pm Thu 30 Jan 14

uncatom says...

nivekd wrote:
On the contrary, this is (apart from all the other policies of our distinctly un-fragrant coalition disaster) the biggest threat facing the people of Wirral. Thank goodness a parliamentary candidate is standing up to the Tory view that everything is for sale no matter what damage it causes to our world. I guess Tories feel they can always retreat to their pals' mansions down south or some relative's off-shore tax haven when our country dissolves in gas, floods and earthquakes caused by their fracking City chums.
Spot on , Ms Mc Vey wont want to upset her masters, the Wirral spring board to fame is now as forgotten as her constituents, her party and career come first and last.

Asked for a response Ms McVey responded with the well practised words "its all the fault of the previous government"
[quote][p][bold]nivekd[/bold] wrote: On the contrary, this is (apart from all the other policies of our distinctly un-fragrant coalition disaster) the biggest threat facing the people of Wirral. Thank goodness a parliamentary candidate is standing up to the Tory view that everything is for sale no matter what damage it causes to our world. I guess Tories feel they can always retreat to their pals' mansions down south or some relative's off-shore tax haven when our country dissolves in gas, floods and earthquakes caused by their fracking City chums.[/p][/quote]Spot on , Ms Mc Vey wont want to upset her masters, the Wirral spring board to fame is now as forgotten as her constituents, her party and career come first and last. Asked for a response Ms McVey responded with the well practised words "its all the fault of the previous government" uncatom

4:56pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Lorca says...

uncatom wrote:
nivekd wrote:
On the contrary, this is (apart from all the other policies of our distinctly un-fragrant coalition disaster) the biggest threat facing the people of Wirral. Thank goodness a parliamentary candidate is standing up to the Tory view that everything is for sale no matter what damage it causes to our world. I guess Tories feel they can always retreat to their pals' mansions down south or some relative's off-shore tax haven when our country dissolves in gas, floods and earthquakes caused by their fracking City chums.
Spot on , Ms Mc Vey wont want to upset her masters, the Wirral spring board to fame is now as forgotten as her constituents, her party and career come first and last.

Asked for a response Ms McVey responded with the well practised words "its all the fault of the previous government"
There is nothing in this report to say that Labour or Margaret Greenwood opposes coal gassification in our area. Labour supports fracking so I think some of the quotes so far are somewhat premature.
[quote][p][bold]uncatom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nivekd[/bold] wrote: On the contrary, this is (apart from all the other policies of our distinctly un-fragrant coalition disaster) the biggest threat facing the people of Wirral. Thank goodness a parliamentary candidate is standing up to the Tory view that everything is for sale no matter what damage it causes to our world. I guess Tories feel they can always retreat to their pals' mansions down south or some relative's off-shore tax haven when our country dissolves in gas, floods and earthquakes caused by their fracking City chums.[/p][/quote]Spot on , Ms Mc Vey wont want to upset her masters, the Wirral spring board to fame is now as forgotten as her constituents, her party and career come first and last. Asked for a response Ms McVey responded with the well practised words "its all the fault of the previous government"[/p][/quote]There is nothing in this report to say that Labour or Margaret Greenwood opposes coal gassification in our area. Labour supports fracking so I think some of the quotes so far are somewhat premature. Lorca

5:50pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Positive thinker says...

It's called progression
It's called progression Positive thinker

10:08am Fri 31 Jan 14

uncatom says...

Lorca wrote:
uncatom wrote:
nivekd wrote:
On the contrary, this is (apart from all the other policies of our distinctly un-fragrant coalition disaster) the biggest threat facing the people of Wirral. Thank goodness a parliamentary candidate is standing up to the Tory view that everything is for sale no matter what damage it causes to our world. I guess Tories feel they can always retreat to their pals' mansions down south or some relative's off-shore tax haven when our country dissolves in gas, floods and earthquakes caused by their fracking City chums.
Spot on , Ms Mc Vey wont want to upset her masters, the Wirral spring board to fame is now as forgotten as her constituents, her party and career come first and last.

Asked for a response Ms McVey responded with the well practised words "its all the fault of the previous government"
There is nothing in this report to say that Labour or Margaret Greenwood opposes coal gassification in our area. Labour supports fracking so I think some of the quotes so far are somewhat premature.
Well at least a parliamentary candidate has the courtesy to turn up to a meeting, which is more than can be said for the no show, no response of the elected representative.
[quote][p][bold]Lorca[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]uncatom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nivekd[/bold] wrote: On the contrary, this is (apart from all the other policies of our distinctly un-fragrant coalition disaster) the biggest threat facing the people of Wirral. Thank goodness a parliamentary candidate is standing up to the Tory view that everything is for sale no matter what damage it causes to our world. I guess Tories feel they can always retreat to their pals' mansions down south or some relative's off-shore tax haven when our country dissolves in gas, floods and earthquakes caused by their fracking City chums.[/p][/quote]Spot on , Ms Mc Vey wont want to upset her masters, the Wirral spring board to fame is now as forgotten as her constituents, her party and career come first and last. Asked for a response Ms McVey responded with the well practised words "its all the fault of the previous government"[/p][/quote]There is nothing in this report to say that Labour or Margaret Greenwood opposes coal gassification in our area. Labour supports fracking so I think some of the quotes so far are somewhat premature.[/p][/quote]Well at least a parliamentary candidate has the courtesy to turn up to a meeting, which is more than can be said for the no show, no response of the elected representative. uncatom

1:43pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Bob Thresher says...

The Environment Agency and local planning need to give permission before any development happens. The underground coal gasification process here uses an on-shore location to drill horizontally under the sea. The geology must be suitable. The coal seam is converted into a gas mixture in a controlled process using an ignition source and pumping in the oxygen so it can be slowed or stopped. I'd like electricity when I turn on my lights and I'd like industry and jobs for the future.
The Environment Agency and local planning need to give permission before any development happens. The underground coal gasification process here uses an on-shore location to drill horizontally under the sea. The geology must be suitable. The coal seam is converted into a gas mixture in a controlled process using an ignition source and pumping in the oxygen so it can be slowed or stopped. I'd like electricity when I turn on my lights and I'd like industry and jobs for the future. Bob Thresher

3:27pm Fri 31 Jan 14

David Scott says...

Bob Thresher wrote:
The Environment Agency and local planning need to give permission before any development happens. The underground coal gasification process here uses an on-shore location to drill horizontally under the sea. The geology must be suitable. The coal seam is converted into a gas mixture in a controlled process using an ignition source and pumping in the oxygen so it can be slowed or stopped. I'd like electricity when I turn on my lights and I'd like industry and jobs for the future.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]Bob Thresher[/bold] wrote: The Environment Agency and local planning need to give permission before any development happens. The underground coal gasification process here uses an on-shore location to drill horizontally under the sea. The geology must be suitable. The coal seam is converted into a gas mixture in a controlled process using an ignition source and pumping in the oxygen so it can be slowed or stopped. I'd like electricity when I turn on my lights and I'd like industry and jobs for the future.[/p][/quote]Well said. David Scott

4:02pm Fri 31 Jan 14

JohnON says...

This country will do with this technology and fracking, exactly what it did with North Sea gas. Instead of benefiting us with low fuel prices, they sold it on at the market rate. Trying to make a quick buck but ending up being dependent on the Russians for our gas supply.
This country will do with this technology and fracking, exactly what it did with North Sea gas. Instead of benefiting us with low fuel prices, they sold it on at the market rate. Trying to make a quick buck but ending up being dependent on the Russians for our gas supply. JohnON

11:36am Sat 1 Feb 14

uncatom says...

The only people who are likely to support this type of intrusion are those that think there may be some personal gain in it for them, live for today, drain Earths resources, damage the environment, all for what? the promise of cheap energy, well don't hold your breath.
The only people who are likely to support this type of intrusion are those that think there may be some personal gain in it for them, live for today, drain Earths resources, damage the environment, all for what? the promise of cheap energy, well don't hold your breath. uncatom

9:01pm Sat 1 Feb 14

David Scott says...

uncatom wrote:
The only people who are likely to support this type of intrusion are those that think there may be some personal gain in it for them, live for today, drain Earths resources, damage the environment, all for what? the promise of cheap energy, well don't hold your breath.
Talk of 'intrusion' or 'draining the Earth's resources' suggests you don't heat your home, or run a car, or use public transport, or have a job that involves any energy use.
[quote][p][bold]uncatom[/bold] wrote: The only people who are likely to support this type of intrusion are those that think there may be some personal gain in it for them, live for today, drain Earths resources, damage the environment, all for what? the promise of cheap energy, well don't hold your breath.[/p][/quote]Talk of 'intrusion' or 'draining the Earth's resources' suggests you don't heat your home, or run a car, or use public transport, or have a job that involves any energy use. David Scott

10:30am Sun 2 Feb 14

uncatom says...

David Scott wrote:
uncatom wrote:
The only people who are likely to support this type of intrusion are those that think there may be some personal gain in it for them, live for today, drain Earths resources, damage the environment, all for what? the promise of cheap energy, well don't hold your breath.
Talk of 'intrusion' or 'draining the Earth's resources' suggests you don't heat your home, or run a car, or use public transport, or have a job that involves any energy use.
What it suggests is that if we allow this trend to continue, Wirral and the rest of the country will end up like a mole ravaged lawn, think back to the days of the gold rush, this government is already "suggesting" that private properties wont be safe from underground activity, and compensation will be very limited, what does that "suggest" to you?
[quote][p][bold]David Scott[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]uncatom[/bold] wrote: The only people who are likely to support this type of intrusion are those that think there may be some personal gain in it for them, live for today, drain Earths resources, damage the environment, all for what? the promise of cheap energy, well don't hold your breath.[/p][/quote]Talk of 'intrusion' or 'draining the Earth's resources' suggests you don't heat your home, or run a car, or use public transport, or have a job that involves any energy use.[/p][/quote]What it suggests is that if we allow this trend to continue, Wirral and the rest of the country will end up like a mole ravaged lawn, think back to the days of the gold rush, this government is already "suggesting" that private properties wont be safe from underground activity, and compensation will be very limited, what does that "suggest" to you? uncatom

12:59pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Bob Thresher says...

Lights on, lights off. Britain needs an energy mix. There won't be holes everywhere or mole hills, that's not the way this technology works -there will be engineers and science though.
Lights on, lights off. Britain needs an energy mix. There won't be holes everywhere or mole hills, that's not the way this technology works -there will be engineers and science though. Bob Thresher

4:50pm Sun 2 Feb 14

johnr says...

Take a look at this, could be serious issues with pollution

http://frack-off.org
.uk/underground-coal
-gasification-creati
ng-hell-on-earth/
Take a look at this, could be serious issues with pollution http://frack-off.org .uk/underground-coal -gasification-creati ng-hell-on-earth/ johnr

6:32pm Sun 2 Feb 14

uncatom says...

johnr wrote:
Take a look at this, could be serious issues with pollution

http://frack-off.org

.uk/underground-coal

-gasification-creati

ng-hell-on-earth/
Bob Thresher, says it wont happen, the technology doesn't work like that, we have already had radioactive water pollution from bore holes, but hey the technology has sorted that one out, road tankers will transport it (its okay it will be quite safe, allegedly) Bob is obviously the resident expert, so no worries there then.
[quote][p][bold]johnr[/bold] wrote: Take a look at this, could be serious issues with pollution http://frack-off.org .uk/underground-coal -gasification-creati ng-hell-on-earth/[/p][/quote]Bob Thresher, says it wont happen, the technology doesn't work like that, we have already had radioactive water pollution from bore holes, but hey the technology has sorted that one out, road tankers will transport it (its okay it will be quite safe, allegedly) Bob is obviously the resident expert, so no worries there then. uncatom

9:33am Mon 3 Feb 14

JohnON says...

Problems with this sort of technology are likely to come 10 years or so down the line when the extraction company has long gone.

When cracks that you can put your hand through start appearing in house walls, guess who'll have to pay for it.
Problems with this sort of technology are likely to come 10 years or so down the line when the extraction company has long gone. When cracks that you can put your hand through start appearing in house walls, guess who'll have to pay for it. JohnON

11:58am Mon 3 Feb 14

Bob Thresher says...

Newcastle University put out a press release about this process. It's the same technique.
www.ncl.ac.uk/press.
office/press.release
/item/new-multi-mill
ion-pound-grant-for-
energy-scheme

It's a tad less scary than Frack-off or radioactive monsters from cracks in the wall. Note the wording. 'nationally significant'.
Newcastle University put out a press release about this process. It's the same technique. www.ncl.ac.uk/press. office/press.release /item/new-multi-mill ion-pound-grant-for- energy-scheme It's a tad less scary than Frack-off or radioactive monsters from cracks in the wall. Note the wording. 'nationally significant'. Bob Thresher

7:07pm Mon 3 Feb 14

uncatom says...

Yes Bob , the good fairy has given her blessing, sweet words and a wave of her wand, everything will be alright bippity bopperty boo
Yes Bob , the good fairy has given her blessing, sweet words and a wave of her wand, everything will be alright bippity bopperty boo uncatom

12:09am Tue 4 Feb 14

johnr says...

Bob if this stuff is so safe, why does the Newcastle firm "five quarter" state "The boreholes are located well away from shore and many kilometres from any aquifers used for supplying water to humans, animals or agriculture."

This would not be case in the Dee, and there's a borehole by the tip in west kirby.
Bob if this stuff is so safe, why does the Newcastle firm "five quarter" state "The boreholes are located well away from shore and many kilometres from any aquifers used for supplying water to humans, animals or agriculture." This would not be case in the Dee, and there's a borehole by the tip in west kirby. johnr

2:00pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Bob Thresher says...

Hi johnr, that is a fair question. I don't know is the answer but here are two guesses. Five-Quarter are North East based and there are already rigs on the North Sea. My second guess is that they have a dual strategy (like onshore and offshore wind). To see the onshore graphic they use, follow the link.

http://www.thenorthe
rnecho.co.uk/resourc
es/images/2845841/

Wirral residents may remain concerned but consider that there is already gas infrastructure at the Ayr terminal on the Welsh side.
Hi johnr, that is a fair question. I don't know is the answer but here are two guesses. Five-Quarter are North East based and there are already rigs on the North Sea. My second guess is that they have a dual strategy (like onshore and offshore wind). To see the onshore graphic they use, follow the link. http://www.thenorthe rnecho.co.uk/resourc es/images/2845841/ Wirral residents may remain concerned but consider that there is already gas infrastructure at the Ayr terminal on the Welsh side. Bob Thresher

12:34am Wed 5 Feb 14

johnr says...

I'm not bothered about normal gas extraction, and not sure about ffracking, but this seems worse can they really control underground fires in coal seams, also this technology is not commercially proven. Seems like a lot of risk for little local benefit.
I'm not bothered about normal gas extraction, and not sure about ffracking, but this seems worse can they really control underground fires in coal seams, also this technology is not commercially proven. Seems like a lot of risk for little local benefit. johnr

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