Employment minister Esther McVey says young people must be prepared to take 'entry-level' jobs to get on in life

Wirral Globe: Employment minister Esther McVey says young people must be prepared to take 'entry-level' jobs to get on in life Employment minister Esther McVey says young people must be prepared to take 'entry-level' jobs to get on in life

Young people should be prepared to take jobs in coffee shops if they want to get on in life, employment minister Esther McVey has said.

The Wirral West MP said jobseekers need reminding that they have to start at the bottom and work their way up, rather than expecting to walk into their dream job.

Her comments came today in an interview with the Daily Mail in which she said young Britons are less prepared for the world of work than foreign migrants and need to learn the basics, such as turning up on time.

But she insisted those who want to work hard can succeed if they are prepared to learn the ropes and "be realistic" about their abilities.

Miss McVey said tackling youth unemployment will be her “top priority” but added those looking for work have to be prepared to get a foot on the ladder before expanding their horizons.

Asked if they should be prepared to take "entry-level jobs", she said: "Absolutely. You could be working at Costa.

"But in a couple of years’ time you might say, 'I’d like to manage the area' or might even want to run a hotel in Dubai."

The minister believes many young people have unrealistic expectations about what jobs entail, and it is only when they start, they realise it can take years to become proficient.

She said: "Everybody says, 'That’s what I want to do,' but I think you’ve got to realise the hours, the years [needed] to be able to do that job.

"When you see your first piece of work and compare it with who you want to be, all of a sudden you realise what skills you don’t have.”

She added: "You are dealt the cards you are dealt and you have to make the best of that. That is life.”

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11:22am Wed 22 Jan 14

wirralexile says...

Always good to hear the caring views of Ms McVey and her helpful government - that's what young people need, to be patronised by someone who works as a highly-paid MP. Of course young people have to be prepared to start at the bottom, and they are competing for jobs with migrants who are prepared to work hard for low wages. Instead of stating the obvious, how about some practical schemes to give young people the skills and strategies to compete in the labour market?
Always good to hear the caring views of Ms McVey and her helpful government - that's what young people need, to be patronised by someone who works as a highly-paid MP. Of course young people have to be prepared to start at the bottom, and they are competing for jobs with migrants who are prepared to work hard for low wages. Instead of stating the obvious, how about some practical schemes to give young people the skills and strategies to compete in the labour market? wirralexile
  • Score: 38

12:42pm Wed 22 Jan 14

WirralAl says...

wirralexile wrote:
Always good to hear the caring views of Ms McVey and her helpful government - that's what young people need, to be patronised by someone who works as a highly-paid MP. Of course young people have to be prepared to start at the bottom, and they are competing for jobs with migrants who are prepared to work hard for low wages. Instead of stating the obvious, how about some practical schemes to give young people the skills and strategies to compete in the labour market?
Could not agree more!
[quote][p][bold]wirralexile[/bold] wrote: Always good to hear the caring views of Ms McVey and her helpful government - that's what young people need, to be patronised by someone who works as a highly-paid MP. Of course young people have to be prepared to start at the bottom, and they are competing for jobs with migrants who are prepared to work hard for low wages. Instead of stating the obvious, how about some practical schemes to give young people the skills and strategies to compete in the labour market?[/p][/quote]Could not agree more! WirralAl
  • Score: 23

1:01pm Wed 22 Jan 14

bigfoot says...

Norman Tebbit is back! The Chingford Skinhead has morphed into the West Wirral Rotweiller. I think she has a just case for a refund on her charm school fees!
Norman Tebbit is back! The Chingford Skinhead has morphed into the West Wirral Rotweiller. I think she has a just case for a refund on her charm school fees! bigfoot
  • Score: 18

1:15pm Wed 22 Jan 14

JTBERRY says...

Potentially the most patronising article i've ever read. So basically, young kids that are born into poverty, through no fault of there own, in working class area's, just have to be grateful that they even have a job, because...

"You are dealt the cards you are dealt and you have to make the best of that. That is life.”

Yep...thats life...The City, government, large companies, etc do business irresponsibly, leave the country in an absolute mess, causing a massive recession, but hey kids...be grateful for your job on the minimum wage. Because thats life - its life that you can't get a job anywhere else simply because of the geographical location you were born. Yep that's life.

Could you be more alien of the area you are from if you tried McVey?

This from McVey - a woman who set her business up through grants from the North West Development Agency...an agency that her government has since abolished. I mean why would she care about such business grants for people like you and i? she has had her lot, she is financially sound now...you lot sort yourself out. Get a job in Costa!!! and if you can't get a job in Costa...you must not be trying hard enough.

Young people are realistic McVey, very realistic, hence they are clued up and fed up of being fed the same schpiel year after year by patronising MPs of all parties. A young person should be able to dream...not have to be "realisitic" due to a mismanaged irresponsibly led country.
Potentially the most patronising article i've ever read. So basically, young kids that are born into poverty, through no fault of there own, in working class area's, just have to be grateful that they even have a job, because... "You are dealt the cards you are dealt and you have to make the best of that. That is life.” Yep...thats life...The City, government, large companies, etc do business irresponsibly, leave the country in an absolute mess, causing a massive recession, but hey kids...be grateful for your job on the minimum wage. Because thats life - its life that you can't get a job anywhere else simply because of the geographical location you were born. Yep that's life. Could you be more alien of the area you are from if you tried McVey? This from McVey - a woman who set her business up through grants from the North West Development Agency...an agency that her government has since abolished. I mean why would she care about such business grants for people like you and i? she has had her lot, she is financially sound now...you lot sort yourself out. Get a job in Costa!!! and if you can't get a job in Costa...you must not be trying hard enough. Young people are realistic McVey, very realistic, hence they are clued up and fed up of being fed the same schpiel year after year by patronising MPs of all parties. A young person should be able to dream...not have to be "realisitic" due to a mismanaged irresponsibly led country. JTBERRY
  • Score: 32

2:02pm Wed 22 Jan 14

PaulCa says...

o 7th Richest nation in the world.
o Massive unseen and unregistered unemployment due to FIDDLING.
o Bankers and politicos in hock to swindle the next election starting NOW.
o Our money being used to distribute false and black propaganda.
o Scapegoating of minorities continuing and multiplying in the media.
o State broadcaster hijacked and used to promote Tory policy, ignoring plight of the poor, who are often surviving on foodbanks.
o Assessments outsourced to profit driven ATOS, repeatedly falsifying reports and hungry to prosper on misery
o MPs, wanting to get on in life and selling their soul to their parties (McVey)
o Working people's salaries losing value due to below inflation "rises"
o Working people having to claim housing benefit or other just to survive.
o Disabled / unemployed people relentlessly attacked, derided by minister (McVey)
o and more, too numerous to mention or recall..............
...........
o 7th Richest nation in the world. o Massive unseen and unregistered unemployment due to FIDDLING. o Bankers and politicos in hock to swindle the next election starting NOW. o Our money being used to distribute false and black propaganda. o Scapegoating of minorities continuing and multiplying in the media. o State broadcaster hijacked and used to promote Tory policy, ignoring plight of the poor, who are often surviving on foodbanks. o Assessments outsourced to profit driven ATOS, repeatedly falsifying reports and hungry to prosper on misery o MPs, wanting to get on in life and selling their soul to their parties (McVey) o Working people's salaries losing value due to below inflation "rises" o Working people having to claim housing benefit or other just to survive. o Disabled / unemployed people relentlessly attacked, derided by minister (McVey) o and more, too numerous to mention or recall.............. ........... PaulCa
  • Score: 29

2:07pm Wed 22 Jan 14

uncatom says...

bigfoot wrote:
Norman Tebbit is back! The Chingford Skinhead has morphed into the West Wirral Rotweiller. I think she has a just case for a refund on her charm school fees!
Please don't call her a nasty name, they revel in it, they wear it as a badge of honour, on a lighter note she wouldn't get a job in Costa, you require the skills to listen, to have good manners ( not to speak over somebody) have empathy with the customer, and well to be a basic understanding human being, oh and not to talk sh--e, apparently she has a degree in the last one
[quote][p][bold]bigfoot[/bold] wrote: Norman Tebbit is back! The Chingford Skinhead has morphed into the West Wirral Rotweiller. I think she has a just case for a refund on her charm school fees![/p][/quote]Please don't call her a nasty name, they revel in it, they wear it as a badge of honour, on a lighter note she wouldn't get a job in Costa, you require the skills to listen, to have good manners ( not to speak over somebody) have empathy with the customer, and well to be a basic understanding human being, oh and not to talk sh--e, apparently she has a degree in the last one uncatom
  • Score: 23

2:08pm Wed 22 Jan 14

WirralAl says...

Time for them to come up with some realistic schemes to give these kids a chance to get on the ladder. ALL the youth need a job rich or poor. Qualified or Unqualified.

The labour Government and the City costs us all and now it is time to move on and give them ALL help and support.
Time for them to come up with some realistic schemes to give these kids a chance to get on the ladder. ALL the youth need a job rich or poor. Qualified or Unqualified. The labour Government and the City costs us all and now it is time to move on and give them ALL help and support. WirralAl
  • Score: 8

2:18pm Wed 22 Jan 14

David Scott says...

bigfoot wrote:
Norman Tebbit is back! The Chingford Skinhead has morphed into the West Wirral Rotweiller. I think she has a just case for a refund on her charm school fees!
I don't think Tebbit was then, or is now, in favour of open-door immigration.
[quote][p][bold]bigfoot[/bold] wrote: Norman Tebbit is back! The Chingford Skinhead has morphed into the West Wirral Rotweiller. I think she has a just case for a refund on her charm school fees![/p][/quote]I don't think Tebbit was then, or is now, in favour of open-door immigration. David Scott
  • Score: 7

3:42pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Positive thinker says...

What a shower of IDIOTS we have today,the lady's is 100% correct in
what she's said
What a shower of IDIOTS we have today,the lady's is 100% correct in what she's said Positive thinker
  • Score: -26

4:02pm Wed 22 Jan 14

hobroW says...

MsMcVey added perhaps the line "you are dealt the card in life you get on with what you have got" in order to forestall the following line
"but Ms McVey you got your first job in the family business."
MsMcVey added perhaps the line "you are dealt the card in life you get on with what you have got" in order to forestall the following line "but Ms McVey you got your first job in the family business." hobroW
  • Score: 18

4:05pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Llamedos 1 says...

So McVey expects my daughter who is about to finish her degree to accept a coffee shop job after I and her have laid out thousands for her education.
Actually she is the sort of person who would take a low paid job until she could find a job that fits to the educational qualifications that between us paid a small fortune for. Ms McVey if you and your government were of any use the jobless figures would be down to the number of people who will never work either through plain laziness, disability or illness.
So McVey expects my daughter who is about to finish her degree to accept a coffee shop job after I and her have laid out thousands for her education. Actually she is the sort of person who would take a low paid job until she could find a job that fits to the educational qualifications that between us paid a small fortune for. Ms McVey if you and your government were of any use the jobless figures would be down to the number of people who will never work either through plain laziness, disability or illness. Llamedos 1
  • Score: 18

4:08pm Wed 22 Jan 14

JTBERRY says...

Positive thinker wrote:
What a shower of IDIOTS we have today,the lady's is 100% correct in
what she's said
"the lady's is"

sorry, did you say something about IDIOTS positive thinker?
[quote][p][bold]Positive thinker[/bold] wrote: What a shower of IDIOTS we have today,the lady's is 100% correct in what she's said[/p][/quote]"the lady's is" sorry, did you say something about IDIOTS positive thinker? JTBERRY
  • Score: 15

5:41pm Wed 22 Jan 14

hobroW says...

Uni education never carried the warning "Investments can go down as well as up"

Yet in recent years we have been told that it was a great investment etc etc

The sensible approach seems to be disbelieve anyone in authority especially govt ministers
Uni education never carried the warning "Investments can go down as well as up" Yet in recent years we have been told that it was a great investment etc etc The sensible approach seems to be disbelieve anyone in authority especially govt ministers hobroW
  • Score: 8

8:47pm Wed 22 Jan 14

PaulCa says...

hobroW wrote:
MsMcVey added perhaps the line "you are dealt the card in life you get on with what you have got" in order to forestall the following line
"but Ms McVey you got your first job in the family business."
The McVey family business is demolition.

She never left.
[quote][p][bold]hobroW[/bold] wrote: MsMcVey added perhaps the line "you are dealt the card in life you get on with what you have got" in order to forestall the following line "but Ms McVey you got your first job in the family business."[/p][/quote]The McVey family business is demolition. She never left. PaulCa
  • Score: 18

1:11pm Thu 23 Jan 14

hildebrand says...

PaulCa wrote:
o 7th Richest nation in the world. o Massive unseen and unregistered unemployment due to FIDDLING. o Bankers and politicos in hock to swindle the next election starting NOW. o Our money being used to distribute false and black propaganda. o Scapegoating of minorities continuing and multiplying in the media. o State broadcaster hijacked and used to promote Tory policy, ignoring plight of the poor, who are often surviving on foodbanks. o Assessments outsourced to profit driven ATOS, repeatedly falsifying reports and hungry to prosper on misery o MPs, wanting to get on in life and selling their soul to their parties (McVey) o Working people's salaries losing value due to below inflation "rises" o Working people having to claim housing benefit or other just to survive. o Disabled / unemployed people relentlessly attacked, derided by minister (McVey) o and more, too numerous to mention or recall.............. ...........
How the BBC is peddling 'tory policy' I have no idea. BBC online and the Guardian website are practically interchangeable.
[quote][p][bold]PaulCa[/bold] wrote: o 7th Richest nation in the world. o Massive unseen and unregistered unemployment due to FIDDLING. o Bankers and politicos in hock to swindle the next election starting NOW. o Our money being used to distribute false and black propaganda. o Scapegoating of minorities continuing and multiplying in the media. o State broadcaster hijacked and used to promote Tory policy, ignoring plight of the poor, who are often surviving on foodbanks. o Assessments outsourced to profit driven ATOS, repeatedly falsifying reports and hungry to prosper on misery o MPs, wanting to get on in life and selling their soul to their parties (McVey) o Working people's salaries losing value due to below inflation "rises" o Working people having to claim housing benefit or other just to survive. o Disabled / unemployed people relentlessly attacked, derided by minister (McVey) o and more, too numerous to mention or recall.............. ...........[/p][/quote]How the BBC is peddling 'tory policy' I have no idea. BBC online and the Guardian website are practically interchangeable. hildebrand
  • Score: -9

3:02pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Positive thinker says...

She should come round and demolish you Knob head
She should come round and demolish you Knob head Positive thinker
  • Score: -16

3:23pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Jayo says...

Some of the comments here are laughable. If a labour MP said it you would all agree. So what if a family business gave her a leg up what's wrong with that ? The fact of the matter is some young people want to work and some don't. The people who want to work take the rubbish jobs and work hard to improve themselves and the ones who don't cry about the wages being crap and the foreigners working for buttons.
Some of the comments here are laughable. If a labour MP said it you would all agree. So what if a family business gave her a leg up what's wrong with that ? The fact of the matter is some young people want to work and some don't. The people who want to work take the rubbish jobs and work hard to improve themselves and the ones who don't cry about the wages being crap and the foreigners working for buttons. Jayo
  • Score: -14

4:44pm Thu 23 Jan 14

uncatom says...

Jayo wrote:
Some of the comments here are laughable. If a labour MP said it you would all agree. So what if a family business gave her a leg up what's wrong with that ? The fact of the matter is some young people want to work and some don't. The people who want to work take the rubbish jobs and work hard to improve themselves and the ones who don't cry about the wages being crap and the foreigners working for buttons.
Wow Jayo you must be a mind reader, how do you know what the response would be if it were a Labour MP that had said it? the fact of the matter is she is referring to those with degree's that only want to be employed in their relevant field and wont consider anything less, if you read the post properly you will find its not the family business that's being criticised but were the money originated from for the family business, then you would realise that her comments are somewhat hypocritical, talking of people who want to work , what about the disabled that had that opportunity taken from them by Ms McVile when she was allegedly the minister for the disabled, And yes some wages are crap as you so eloquently put it, so much so that some companies are having their wage bills subsidised by the taxpayer, and yes some immigrants do work for less than the minimum wage cash in hand etc, which undermines the employment system,they forced to do this as there is no protection for them.
[quote][p][bold]Jayo[/bold] wrote: Some of the comments here are laughable. If a labour MP said it you would all agree. So what if a family business gave her a leg up what's wrong with that ? The fact of the matter is some young people want to work and some don't. The people who want to work take the rubbish jobs and work hard to improve themselves and the ones who don't cry about the wages being crap and the foreigners working for buttons.[/p][/quote]Wow Jayo you must be a mind reader, how do you know what the response would be if it were a Labour MP that had said it? the fact of the matter is she is referring to those with degree's that only want to be employed in their relevant field and wont consider anything less, if you read the post properly you will find its not the family business that's being criticised but were the money originated from for the family business, then you would realise that her comments are somewhat hypocritical, talking of people who want to work , what about the disabled that had that opportunity taken from them by Ms McVile when she was allegedly the minister for the disabled, And yes some wages are crap as you so eloquently put it, so much so that some companies are having their wage bills subsidised by the taxpayer, and yes some immigrants do work for less than the minimum wage cash in hand etc, which undermines the employment system,they forced to do this as there is no protection for them. uncatom
  • Score: 6

4:59pm Thu 23 Jan 14

JTBERRY says...

Jayo wrote:
Some of the comments here are laughable. If a labour MP said it you would all agree. So what if a family business gave her a leg up what's wrong with that ? The fact of the matter is some young people want to work and some don't. The people who want to work take the rubbish jobs and work hard to improve themselves and the ones who don't cry about the wages being crap and the foreigners working for buttons.
Absolutely nothing wrong with being given a foot up by a family business and funding from a government agency that her government has since abolished. If i had a family business i would do exactly the same - get my family involved and look after them.

What i wouldn't do though, is then criticise, those who have been less fortunate than her in life, who haven't had such starts in life, who then have to work for such companies as Costa on minimum wage and feel a bit disgruntled at the limitied oppurtunities made available to them - simply because they weren't born into wealth. And then any agency that potentially could help them set up a business - closed down by the party she represents!

What I would do is remember how lucky i have been in life to be given the chances i have been given and make every effort to ensure people who want to work are given as much an oppurtunity in life as possible to make something of themselves. Not tell them to be grateful of a job in Costa. A Coffee Shop who rake in massive profits everyday and probably dont pay the right tax to the UK. But ye..be very grateful.

I wouldnt encourage people to go to university, to "better themselves", put themselves through all kinds of financial debt and stress etc, only to then them that...they should be grateful for a job in costa...because of a recession..in which i played no role.

People get up and go to work everyday for the minimum wage, without making a fuss - what is insulting is some MP, regardless of which party they are affiliated to, who has never, nor will ever know such graft, telling people how to live there lives and what they should be grateful for.

I have nothing but admiration for the people who take rubbish jobs and work themselves up. But it shouldn't be that way.
[quote][p][bold]Jayo[/bold] wrote: Some of the comments here are laughable. If a labour MP said it you would all agree. So what if a family business gave her a leg up what's wrong with that ? The fact of the matter is some young people want to work and some don't. The people who want to work take the rubbish jobs and work hard to improve themselves and the ones who don't cry about the wages being crap and the foreigners working for buttons.[/p][/quote]Absolutely nothing wrong with being given a foot up by a family business and funding from a government agency that her government has since abolished. If i had a family business i would do exactly the same - get my family involved and look after them. What i wouldn't do though, is then criticise, those who have been less fortunate than her in life, who haven't had such starts in life, who then have to work for such companies as Costa on minimum wage and feel a bit disgruntled at the limitied oppurtunities made available to them - simply because they weren't born into wealth. And then any agency that potentially could help them set up a business - closed down by the party she represents! What I would do is remember how lucky i have been in life to be given the chances i have been given and make every effort to ensure people who want to work are given as much an oppurtunity in life as possible to make something of themselves. Not tell them to be grateful of a job in Costa. A Coffee Shop who rake in massive profits everyday and probably dont pay the right tax to the UK. But ye..be very grateful. I wouldnt encourage people to go to university, to "better themselves", put themselves through all kinds of financial debt and stress etc, only to then them that...they should be grateful for a job in costa...because of a recession..in which i played no role. People get up and go to work everyday for the minimum wage, without making a fuss - what is insulting is some MP, regardless of which party they are affiliated to, who has never, nor will ever know such graft, telling people how to live there lives and what they should be grateful for. I have nothing but admiration for the people who take rubbish jobs and work themselves up. But it shouldn't be that way. JTBERRY
  • Score: 10

8:41pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Positive thinker says...

Esther,

You should of said,all you unemployed people just stay in bed all
day claim of the state but just make sure you sign on once every
six months and don't worry about anything whatsoever

That would kept the idiots on this blog happy
Esther, You should of said,all you unemployed people just stay in bed all day claim of the state but just make sure you sign on once every six months and don't worry about anything whatsoever That would kept the idiots on this blog happy Positive thinker
  • Score: -10

11:50pm Thu 23 Jan 14

JTBERRY says...

Positive thinker wrote:
Esther,

You should of said,all you unemployed people just stay in bed all
day claim of the state but just make sure you sign on once every
six months and don't worry about anything whatsoever

That would kept the idiots on this blog happy
That should read, 'should have said' not 'should of said'.

Idiots eh...that's twice now - not very good at this are you mate? :-((

And when you refer to 'the state' i assume you refer to the taxpayer? ie. people like me? As it's the taxpayer who allows for 'the state' to exist after all, and therefore entitles 'idiots' like me to hold an opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Positive thinker[/bold] wrote: Esther, You should of said,all you unemployed people just stay in bed all day claim of the state but just make sure you sign on once every six months and don't worry about anything whatsoever That would kept the idiots on this blog happy[/p][/quote]That should read, 'should have said' not 'should of said'. Idiots eh...that's twice now - not very good at this are you mate? :-(( And when you refer to 'the state' i assume you refer to the taxpayer? ie. people like me? As it's the taxpayer who allows for 'the state' to exist after all, and therefore entitles 'idiots' like me to hold an opinion. JTBERRY
  • Score: 8

2:43pm Fri 24 Jan 14

benny07 says...

when is she ging to be arrested for crimes against humanity ,in her last job she helped cause the premature DEATHS of over 10.000 ,uk people along with her side kick ian duncan smith,they both will be brought to account, under the international courts for human rights,GENOCIDE IS AGAINST THE LAW IN ANY COUNTRY AROUND THE WORLD,& BRITAIN,IS NOT ABOVE EU OR ANY INTERNATIONAL LAW.TORY/LIBS WILL BE BROUGHT TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS HORRIFIC GENOCIDE GOING ON DAILY IN THE UK EVERY DAY.!!we all look forward to that day..
when is she ging to be arrested for crimes against humanity ,in her last job she helped cause the premature DEATHS of over 10.000 ,uk people along with her side kick ian duncan smith,they both will be brought to account, under the international courts for human rights,GENOCIDE IS AGAINST THE LAW IN ANY COUNTRY AROUND THE WORLD,& BRITAIN,IS NOT ABOVE EU OR ANY INTERNATIONAL LAW.TORY/LIBS WILL BE BROUGHT TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS HORRIFIC GENOCIDE GOING ON DAILY IN THE UK EVERY DAY.!!we all look forward to that day.. benny07
  • Score: 9

4:39pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Jayo says...

uncatom How do you know for a fact she is referring to people with degree's as their is no mention in the article. Other than that I agree with most of what you posted (If true) with the exception of the bits that sarcastically try to belittle me just because we have a different point of view.

JTBERRY- People in glass houses should not throw stones. RE Positive thinker. Labour party government education and all that.
uncatom How do you know for a fact she is referring to people with degree's as their is no mention in the article. Other than that I agree with most of what you posted (If true) with the exception of the bits that sarcastically try to belittle me just because we have a different point of view. JTBERRY- People in glass houses should not throw stones. RE Positive thinker. Labour party government education and all that. Jayo
  • Score: -8

7:53pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Positive thinker says...

Costa wouldn't employ most of the dead heads in Birkenhead
Costa wouldn't employ most of the dead heads in Birkenhead Positive thinker
  • Score: -10

7:56pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Heycock says...

Too many guilty of shooting the messenger. She may be the wrong person to say it, but I'm not going to disagree with the general premise that every person without a job should take whatever is on offer regardless of their educational background. No problem with starting at the bottom. As long as you get paid...I don't agree with unpaid "internships" favoured by labour, liberal and tory MPs.
Fact is, once you've got a job, it's easier to get the next one. The jobs are there....they're just being done by people with exotic accents.
Too many guilty of shooting the messenger. She may be the wrong person to say it, but I'm not going to disagree with the general premise that every person without a job should take whatever is on offer regardless of their educational background. No problem with starting at the bottom. As long as you get paid...I don't agree with unpaid "internships" favoured by labour, liberal and tory MPs. Fact is, once you've got a job, it's easier to get the next one. The jobs are there....they're just being done by people with exotic accents. Heycock
  • Score: -5

10:21am Sat 25 Jan 14

Roadie says...

Was she taped clandestinely saying this, surely this is a case of another 'politician' opening his/her mouth and putting a foot in it.
Was she taped clandestinely saying this, surely this is a case of another 'politician' opening his/her mouth and putting a foot in it. Roadie
  • Score: 0

10:59am Sat 25 Jan 14

uncatom says...

Jayo, was it not you that made the statement about laughable comments, if a Labour MP said it etc, is that trying to belittle other peoples comments? by your statement you imply that those people that don't agree with Ms Mc are Labour party supporters, well at the present time I don't actually support any party, however the Tories don't present themselves very well to the majority of the population, the likes of Ms McVey and IDS seem to forget that they supposed to support their constituents and not their parties politics, perhaps if they have had a PROPER job in a proper workplace they might have some empathy with the people they are supposed to represent instead of the continuing blame culture that pervades the Tory party.
Jayo, was it not you that made the statement about laughable comments, if a Labour MP said it etc, is that trying to belittle other peoples comments? by your statement you imply that those people that don't agree with Ms Mc are Labour party supporters, well at the present time I don't actually support any party, however the Tories don't present themselves very well to the majority of the population, the likes of Ms McVey and IDS seem to forget that they supposed to support their constituents and not their parties politics, perhaps if they have had a PROPER job in a proper workplace they might have some empathy with the people they are supposed to represent instead of the continuing blame culture that pervades the Tory party. uncatom
  • Score: 0

1:38pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Dantealighieri says...

Can't find much wrong with what Esther McVey is saying. What's the matter with Costa Coffee? It's a job. OOOOOHHH. But the wages are rubbish. So what? You're not signing a contract for the rest of your life. Brings you into contact with the people, maybe teaches you to be pleasant, maybe teaches you to hold a conversation beyond a grunt, maybe adds a bit of discipline to your life, you've got to get up, you've got to go somewhere. When, maybe, you go for an interview for another job, it may count for something, perhaps give a better impression. Sorry, I do apologise. I'm living in cloud cuckoo land. We need to tell everyone the worlds a bad place, you don't stand a chance unless you're born with a silver spoon in your gob. Hang on though mate, don't some people make it from the gutter. Yeh, of course they do, but we don't want to hear about those, they don't fit the narrative, we need to wallow in 'working class' self pity. It's everyones fault but mine, you know warrah a mean mate. You're quite right Jayo , some of the comments are laughable. You'd think this country is like East Germany before the wall came down. Gold Medal to BENNY07 for services to stupidity and signed certificates for those who agreed with him.
Can't find much wrong with what Esther McVey is saying. What's the matter with Costa Coffee? It's a job. OOOOOHHH. But the wages are rubbish. So what? You're not signing a contract for the rest of your life. Brings you into contact with the people, maybe teaches you to be pleasant, maybe teaches you to hold a conversation beyond a grunt, maybe adds a bit of discipline to your life, you've got to get up, you've got to go somewhere. When, maybe, you go for an interview for another job, it may count for something, perhaps give a better impression. Sorry, I do apologise. I'm living in cloud cuckoo land. We need to tell everyone the worlds a bad place, you don't stand a chance unless you're born with a silver spoon in your gob. Hang on though mate, don't some people make it from the gutter. Yeh, of course they do, but we don't want to hear about those, they don't fit the narrative, we need to wallow in 'working class' self pity. It's everyones fault but mine, you know warrah a mean mate. You're quite right Jayo , some of the comments are laughable. You'd think this country is like East Germany before the wall came down. Gold Medal to BENNY07 for services to stupidity and signed certificates for those who agreed with him. Dantealighieri
  • Score: -8

3:27pm Sat 25 Jan 14

uncatom says...

Dantealighieri wrote:
Can't find much wrong with what Esther McVey is saying. What's the matter with Costa Coffee? It's a job. OOOOOHHH. But the wages are rubbish. So what? You're not signing a contract for the rest of your life. Brings you into contact with the people, maybe teaches you to be pleasant, maybe teaches you to hold a conversation beyond a grunt, maybe adds a bit of discipline to your life, you've got to get up, you've got to go somewhere. When, maybe, you go for an interview for another job, it may count for something, perhaps give a better impression. Sorry, I do apologise. I'm living in cloud cuckoo land. We need to tell everyone the worlds a bad place, you don't stand a chance unless you're born with a silver spoon in your gob. Hang on though mate, don't some people make it from the gutter. Yeh, of course they do, but we don't want to hear about those, they don't fit the narrative, we need to wallow in 'working class' self pity. It's everyones fault but mine, you know warrah a mean mate. You're quite right Jayo , some of the comments are laughable. You'd think this country is like East Germany before the wall came down. Gold Medal to BENNY07 for services to stupidity and signed certificates for those who agreed with him.
Can I explain what I find wrong with the statement that Ms McVey has made, or more to the point her patronising guff, take an entry level job and in a few years you might like to run a hotel in Dubai, so basically serving lattes for a few years will enable you to seek such a position, that description of progression might work on a class of 5 year olds that believe in fairy tales, however to come from one that purports to be employment Minister it is less than acceptable, There are lots of worthwhile and well mannered youngsters out there willing to take these jobs, the thousands of applicants that have applied and been turned down will tell you that.
From your response you believe the Tory propaganda that all benefit claimants are idle and "wallow in working class self pity" a sad indictment indeed, Its not what Ms McVey is saying its the way she's saying it, I am sure that one of those youngsters seeking a job now could make a better effort as Employment Minister, now there's a fairy tale appointment, still the Tories need a trophy blonde to parade around, know worrah mean.
[quote][p][bold]Dantealighieri [/bold] wrote: Can't find much wrong with what Esther McVey is saying. What's the matter with Costa Coffee? It's a job. OOOOOHHH. But the wages are rubbish. So what? You're not signing a contract for the rest of your life. Brings you into contact with the people, maybe teaches you to be pleasant, maybe teaches you to hold a conversation beyond a grunt, maybe adds a bit of discipline to your life, you've got to get up, you've got to go somewhere. When, maybe, you go for an interview for another job, it may count for something, perhaps give a better impression. Sorry, I do apologise. I'm living in cloud cuckoo land. We need to tell everyone the worlds a bad place, you don't stand a chance unless you're born with a silver spoon in your gob. Hang on though mate, don't some people make it from the gutter. Yeh, of course they do, but we don't want to hear about those, they don't fit the narrative, we need to wallow in 'working class' self pity. It's everyones fault but mine, you know warrah a mean mate. You're quite right Jayo , some of the comments are laughable. You'd think this country is like East Germany before the wall came down. Gold Medal to BENNY07 for services to stupidity and signed certificates for those who agreed with him.[/p][/quote]Can I explain what I find wrong with the statement that Ms McVey has made, or more to the point her patronising guff, take an entry level job and in a few years you might like to run a hotel in Dubai, so basically serving lattes for a few years will enable you to seek such a position, that description of progression might work on a class of 5 year olds that believe in fairy tales, however to come from one that purports to be employment Minister it is less than acceptable, There are lots of worthwhile and well mannered youngsters out there willing to take these jobs, the thousands of applicants that have applied and been turned down will tell you that. From your response you believe the Tory propaganda that all benefit claimants are idle and "wallow in working class self pity" a sad indictment indeed, Its not what Ms McVey is saying its the way she's saying it, I am sure that one of those youngsters seeking a job now could make a better effort as Employment Minister, now there's a fairy tale appointment, still the Tories need a trophy blonde to parade around, know worrah mean. uncatom
  • Score: 4

3:42pm Sat 25 Jan 14

minimad69 says...

Erm, Esther has had to my knowledge 4 'careers'.

Should wouldn't get dole on that basis, for leaving a job !!!!!!!

Typical Tory 'bla bla' - 'in my day' twaddle - what she should be concentrating on - is badgering her cronies with some real power to promote growth in this economy and the creation of worthwhile jobs would follow. Oh and while you're at it, re-create an actual manufacturing base, which would create real jobs with a proper wage, that people would then spend - further boosting the economy.
These 'service industry' jobs pay barely more than benefits - especially when public transport is so expensive - think on that Esther you career flibbety-gibbet - before you spout off again...
Erm, Esther has had to my knowledge 4 'careers'. Should wouldn't get dole on that basis, for leaving a job !!!!!!! Typical Tory 'bla bla' - 'in my day' twaddle - what she should be concentrating on - is badgering her cronies with some real power to promote growth in this economy and the creation of worthwhile jobs would follow. Oh and while you're at it, re-create an actual manufacturing base, which would create real jobs with a proper wage, that people would then spend - further boosting the economy. These 'service industry' jobs pay barely more than benefits - especially when public transport is so expensive - think on that Esther you career flibbety-gibbet - before you spout off again... minimad69
  • Score: 0

3:42pm Sat 25 Jan 14

PaulCa says...

Blonde atrophy. We can all waste away as far as she's concerned.
Blonde atrophy. We can all waste away as far as she's concerned. PaulCa
  • Score: 6

8:09pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Heycock says...

The jobs are there. If I was 21 again and on the dole I'd be asking myself why has the person who just served me got an East European accent. Why did they get the job and not me? Oh, I know ...I've got a degree/A levels/GCSE's so that job is beneath me and when I was sent for an interview I came up with a plausible excuse not to go. So i still get my JSA. That Moldovan working their way up...loser!
The jobs are there. If I was 21 again and on the dole I'd be asking myself why has the person who just served me got an East European accent. Why did they get the job and not me? Oh, I know ...I've got a degree/A levels/GCSE's so that job is beneath me and when I was sent for an interview I came up with a plausible excuse not to go. So i still get my JSA. That Moldovan working their way up...loser! Heycock
  • Score: -3

9:48pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Joeblogg85 says...

Heycock wrote:
The jobs are there. If I was 21 again and on the dole I'd be asking myself why has the person who just served me got an East European accent. Why did they get the job and not me? Oh, I know ...I've got a degree/A levels/GCSE's so that job is beneath me and when I was sent for an interview I came up with a plausible excuse not to go. So i still get my JSA. That Moldovan working their way up...loser!
Did you see any of those Tory toffs serving Lattes whilst they were younger? Don't think so. Nothing wrong with raising your expectations if you have just spent four years and lots of money chasing your dreams.
[quote][p][bold]Heycock[/bold] wrote: The jobs are there. If I was 21 again and on the dole I'd be asking myself why has the person who just served me got an East European accent. Why did they get the job and not me? Oh, I know ...I've got a degree/A levels/GCSE's so that job is beneath me and when I was sent for an interview I came up with a plausible excuse not to go. So i still get my JSA. That Moldovan working their way up...loser![/p][/quote]Did you see any of those Tory toffs serving Lattes whilst they were younger? Don't think so. Nothing wrong with raising your expectations if you have just spent four years and lots of money chasing your dreams. Joeblogg85
  • Score: 6

9:52pm Sat 25 Jan 14

David Scott says...

Heycock wrote:
The jobs are there. If I was 21 again and on the dole I'd be asking myself why has the person who just served me got an East European accent. Why did they get the job and not me? Oh, I know ...I've got a degree/A levels/GCSE's so that job is beneath me and when I was sent for an interview I came up with a plausible excuse not to go. So i still get my JSA. That Moldovan working their way up...loser!
Commonly now employers can chose between taking on local people, often needing some training and encouragement, often with poor school achievement and unclear ambitions, and well-educated ambitious people from eastern Europe grateful for wages several times higher than they would get back home, even doing work at the minimum wage. For rational employers presumably it's a no-brainer - why take a chance and train locals? However, the cost of that is more disillusion for unemployed British people and a massive benefits bill for the UK taxpayer.
[quote][p][bold]Heycock[/bold] wrote: The jobs are there. If I was 21 again and on the dole I'd be asking myself why has the person who just served me got an East European accent. Why did they get the job and not me? Oh, I know ...I've got a degree/A levels/GCSE's so that job is beneath me and when I was sent for an interview I came up with a plausible excuse not to go. So i still get my JSA. That Moldovan working their way up...loser![/p][/quote]Commonly now employers can chose between taking on local people, often needing some training and encouragement, often with poor school achievement and unclear ambitions, and well-educated ambitious people from eastern Europe grateful for wages several times higher than they would get back home, even doing work at the minimum wage. For rational employers presumably it's a no-brainer - why take a chance and train locals? However, the cost of that is more disillusion for unemployed British people and a massive benefits bill for the UK taxpayer. David Scott
  • Score: -1

9:46am Sun 26 Jan 14

uncatom says...

Heycock wrote:
The jobs are there. If I was 21 again and on the dole I'd be asking myself why has the person who just served me got an East European accent. Why did they get the job and not me? Oh, I know ...I've got a degree/A levels/GCSE's so that job is beneath me and when I was sent for an interview I came up with a plausible excuse not to go. So i still get my JSA. That Moldovan working their way up...loser!
Daily paper yesterday, Costa advertised for eight workers in Nottingham 1,692 were turned down, the face of employment today, still I suppose the 1,692 that were turned down are now free to live the high life on JSA no worries there then, if you were 21 again its unlikely that I would employ you, as it appears you have little understanding of economics and are unable to collate information.
[quote][p][bold]Heycock[/bold] wrote: The jobs are there. If I was 21 again and on the dole I'd be asking myself why has the person who just served me got an East European accent. Why did they get the job and not me? Oh, I know ...I've got a degree/A levels/GCSE's so that job is beneath me and when I was sent for an interview I came up with a plausible excuse not to go. So i still get my JSA. That Moldovan working their way up...loser![/p][/quote]Daily paper yesterday, Costa advertised for eight workers in Nottingham 1,692 were turned down, the face of employment today, still I suppose the 1,692 that were turned down are now free to live the high life on JSA no worries there then, if you were 21 again its unlikely that I would employ you, as it appears you have little understanding of economics and are unable to collate information. uncatom
  • Score: 2

11:50am Sun 26 Jan 14

David Scott says...

To put it simply, it makes no sense with 2.4 million unemployed (including 1 million young people) to have open-door immigration. It's not what's done in Canada, USA, Australia, and so on. If we have skills gaps we should be training people, or in special cases allowing limited numbers of people in from abroad on time-limited work permits. However, Tories, Labour and Lib Dems all approve of open-door immigration.
To put it simply, it makes no sense with 2.4 million unemployed (including 1 million young people) to have open-door immigration. It's not what's done in Canada, USA, Australia, and so on. If we have skills gaps we should be training people, or in special cases allowing limited numbers of people in from abroad on time-limited work permits. However, Tories, Labour and Lib Dems all approve of open-door immigration. David Scott
  • Score: 2

1:29pm Sun 26 Jan 14

hobroW says...

My experience with NWDA from whom Ms McVey appears to have been in receipt of grants, is comical.

They appointed A4e to supervise Intensive Start up scheme in 2009 then ignore warnings that the program is being underwhelmingly carried on. They then allow the CRM database that describes it to disappear such that investigators cannot do their task.

Now this is relevant for ISUS was meant to be the leg up to new entrepreneurs from age 18 upwards...yet it was far from an howling success.

All this shows that government and its quangos are least qualified to expatiate on these subjects, including Ms McVey
My experience with NWDA from whom Ms McVey appears to have been in receipt of grants, is comical. They appointed A4e to supervise Intensive Start up scheme in 2009 then ignore warnings that the program is being underwhelmingly carried on. They then allow the CRM database that describes it to disappear such that investigators cannot do their task. Now this is relevant for ISUS was meant to be the leg up to new entrepreneurs from age 18 upwards...yet it was far from an howling success. All this shows that government and its quangos are least qualified to expatiate on these subjects, including Ms McVey hobroW
  • Score: 3

2:04pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Dantealighieri says...

Sorry Uncatom, I've completly missed the point of this discussion. I didn't realise it was about lots of worthwhile and well mannered youngsters out there willing to take 'these' jobs, I thought it was about youngsters not willing to take 'these' jobs. I'll just have to read things more carefully in the future. You took a pop at Jayo, about being a mind reader, seems like you think you're one. I have never said, nor do I think, all benifit claiments are idle and wallow in working class self pity. The point I was making was that, perhaps, just maybe, there are people out there in the real world, who regard living off the state as a life style choice. If they want an excuse, being told there's no hope, gives them one. By the way I am not Esther McVey's apologist, I've never voted for her. or the Conservatives for well over a decade. What I don't do though, like some people, is dismiss a basic piece of common sense because of some obsessive personal animosity, and allow it to cloud my judgement to the degree I talk absolute garbage.
Sorry Uncatom, I've completly missed the point of this discussion. I didn't realise it was about lots of worthwhile and well mannered youngsters out there willing to take 'these' jobs, I thought it was about youngsters not willing to take 'these' jobs. I'll just have to read things more carefully in the future. You took a pop at Jayo, about being a mind reader, seems like you think you're one. I have never said, nor do I think, all benifit claiments are idle and wallow in working class self pity. The point I was making was that, perhaps, just maybe, there are people out there in the real world, who regard living off the state as a life style choice. If they want an excuse, being told there's no hope, gives them one. By the way I am not Esther McVey's apologist, I've never voted for her. or the Conservatives for well over a decade. What I don't do though, like some people, is dismiss a basic piece of common sense because of some obsessive personal animosity, and allow it to cloud my judgement to the degree I talk absolute garbage. Dantealighieri
  • Score: -6

3:37pm Sun 26 Jan 14

uncatom says...

Dantealighieri, Oh sorry I have misunderstood I, thought it was about comments made by Ms McVey about employment, I didn't dismiss her approach to employment only to the patronising way she delivered it , and no you never actually said, but by your negative use of words such as grunt, everyone's fault but mine, working class self pity, you imply that people are negative in their attempts to find employment but then perhaps you are something of a mind reader, I am sure there are youngsters out there with below average education that know they wont be managing a fast food outlet after their first interview and don't expect to be, I do apologise for using the word 'these' instead of those, however if you wish to nitpick I should check your spelling of the word benefit.
Dantealighieri, Oh sorry I have misunderstood I, thought it was about comments made by Ms McVey about employment, I didn't dismiss her approach to employment only to the patronising way she delivered it , and no you never actually said, but by your negative use of words such as grunt, everyone's fault but mine, working class self pity, you imply that people are negative in their attempts to find employment but then perhaps you are something of a mind reader, I am sure there are youngsters out there with below average education that know they wont be managing a fast food outlet after their first interview and don't expect to be, I do apologise for using the word 'these' instead of those, however if you wish to nitpick I should check your spelling of the word benefit. uncatom
  • Score: 0

3:44pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Jayo says...

Totally agree Dante. The article is about young people taking up any employment even if they think it is beneath them. To agree or disagree does not imply support either way. The laughable comments are the usual agenda based negative ones that have little relevance to the main story.
Totally agree Dante. The article is about young people taking up any employment even if they think it is beneath them. To agree or disagree does not imply support either way. The laughable comments are the usual agenda based negative ones that have little relevance to the main story. Jayo
  • Score: -3

9:14pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Joeblogg85 says...

Why spend all these years in school working hard to get good grades then studying at University at great cost to get a Law a Degree or similar to then work in a job you could have had anyway. I applaud any young person who has a life plan and sticks to it.
Why spend all these years in school working hard to get good grades then studying at University at great cost to get a Law a Degree or similar to then work in a job you could have had anyway. I applaud any young person who has a life plan and sticks to it. Joeblogg85
  • Score: 5

9:32pm Sun 26 Jan 14

PaulCa says...

Clever kids with brains the size of a planet, firsts in Quantum Physics and IQs of 150+ .................ser
ving up fries.

Dumb broad off of the telly who's up sh*t creek without an autocue ....................
..promoted to the Tory cabinet.

Welcome to 21st Century perverse hell-hole that is the United Kingdom.
Clever kids with brains the size of a planet, firsts in Quantum Physics and IQs of 150+ .................ser ving up fries. Dumb broad off of the telly who's up sh*t creek without an autocue .................... ..promoted to the Tory cabinet. Welcome to 21st Century perverse hell-hole that is the United Kingdom. PaulCa
  • Score: 9

9:54am Mon 27 Jan 14

Dantealighieri says...

Uncatom- My use of the word 'grunt' was to highlight the problem employers, universities and other bodies find, that when coming into contact with youngsters, a great many of them lack basic communication skills. My 'working class self pity' remark was based on the total drivel posted by some contributers to this debate. Talking of drivel, another brilliant offering PaulCa, well up to your usual standard. I'm surprised you haven't bothered to explain to Hildebrand about the BBC peddling Tory policy, sounds really interesting.
Uncatom- My use of the word 'grunt' was to highlight the problem employers, universities and other bodies find, that when coming into contact with youngsters, a great many of them lack basic communication skills. My 'working class self pity' remark was based on the total drivel posted by some contributers to this debate. Talking of drivel, another brilliant offering PaulCa, well up to your usual standard. I'm surprised you haven't bothered to explain to Hildebrand about the BBC peddling Tory policy, sounds really interesting. Dantealighieri
  • Score: -4

10:03am Mon 27 Jan 14

PaulCa says...

Thanks for your feedback Dantealighieri. Always appreciated. Very often, it's what the BBC DOESN'T say that amounts to 'peddling' the Tory establishment's vile policies.

You should have a closer listen. Their silence is sometimes deafening.
Thanks for your feedback Dantealighieri. Always appreciated. Very often, it's what the BBC DOESN'T say that amounts to 'peddling' the Tory establishment's vile policies. You should have a closer listen. Their silence is sometimes deafening. PaulCa
  • Score: 7

2:13pm Mon 27 Jan 14

rover600 says...

Seems the point is being missed imho. The point is talk to the kids of today and they all want to be footballers, wags, TV personalities or popstars. It's nice and it is right to dream and no one should stop you pursuing your dream but the harsh reality is 99% of the people who turn up for The Xfactor or Britain's got talent are totally talentless, the same goes for all those kids who dream to be Wayne Rooney and to be earning millions. In days gone by young footballers were taught and had to have a back up plan should their career go worng or be even shorter than the 10-15 years most are lucky to get these days.
I left school in the 70's no qualifications as such, I went to college and realised if I wanted money I had to get myself qualified and start at the bottom of an exploitative jobs market working as a waiter which I did with pride for i had my qualifications, i knew what i was doing and it showed to my then employers who promoted and nurtured me but I was still earning a pittance, I'd have loved to have been the general manager of the hotel on probably 30x my salary but the harsh reality was I'd have to demonstrate I was equal or better than him, I had no god given right to be in his job on his huge salary.
I've changed careers several times, I sit here now slightly scared at the future, in my 50's in a niche (but not a professionally qualified job) but well paid job but that oculd disappear tomorrow and I have nothing to fall back on work wise.
I may be missing the point but I don't see anything in Ms McVey's article that is patronising.
I was at a work colleagues house one evening and his four teenage daughters were being 'put through the mill' by him about their home work, planning their future educational needs, motivating them to want to knuckle down and get the grades they need, in my head I was asking myself "Why the hell did my Dad not do that with me"?

I don't think anything has changed the bottom line is there will always be more workers needed than managers and those who either educate themselves or work from the bottom up will succeed but there is no god given right to a £30,000 a year + salary, there is nothing wrong with dreaming to aspire to earn that or millions but let's be realistic any parent who is content to let their kids realistically think they will be the next Beyonce when they pierce ears with catawailing is doing no one any favours.
Seems the point is being missed imho. The point is talk to the kids of today and they all want to be footballers, wags, TV personalities or popstars. It's nice and it is right to dream and no one should stop you pursuing your dream but the harsh reality is 99% of the people who turn up for The Xfactor or Britain's got talent are totally talentless, the same goes for all those kids who dream to be Wayne Rooney and to be earning millions. In days gone by young footballers were taught and had to have a back up plan should their career go worng or be even shorter than the 10-15 years most are lucky to get these days. I left school in the 70's no qualifications as such, I went to college and realised if I wanted money I had to get myself qualified and start at the bottom of an exploitative jobs market working as a waiter which I did with pride for i had my qualifications, i knew what i was doing and it showed to my then employers who promoted and nurtured me but I was still earning a pittance, I'd have loved to have been the general manager of the hotel on probably 30x my salary but the harsh reality was I'd have to demonstrate I was equal or better than him, I had no god given right to be in his job on his huge salary. I've changed careers several times, I sit here now slightly scared at the future, in my 50's in a niche (but not a professionally qualified job) but well paid job but that oculd disappear tomorrow and I have nothing to fall back on work wise. I may be missing the point but I don't see anything in Ms McVey's article that is patronising. I was at a work colleagues house one evening and his four teenage daughters were being 'put through the mill' by him about their home work, planning their future educational needs, motivating them to want to knuckle down and get the grades they need, in my head I was asking myself "Why the hell did my Dad not do that with me"? I don't think anything has changed the bottom line is there will always be more workers needed than managers and those who either educate themselves or work from the bottom up will succeed but there is no god given right to a £30,000 a year + salary, there is nothing wrong with dreaming to aspire to earn that or millions but let's be realistic any parent who is content to let their kids realistically think they will be the next Beyonce when they pierce ears with catawailing is doing no one any favours. rover600
  • Score: 1

2:50pm Mon 27 Jan 14

uncatom says...

Dantealighieri wrote:
Uncatom- My use of the word 'grunt' was to highlight the problem employers, universities and other bodies find, that when coming into contact with youngsters, a great many of them lack basic communication skills. My 'working class self pity' remark was based on the total drivel posted by some contributers to this debate. Talking of drivel, another brilliant offering PaulCa, well up to your usual standard. I'm surprised you haven't bothered to explain to Hildebrand about the BBC peddling Tory policy, sounds really interesting.
Oh dear! I must have must have missed the point of this discussion as well, I didn't realise it was about the problems that employers and universities find when coming into contact with youngsters, If you had stated that youngsters had less chance, because of lack of academic and social skills that would have been sufficient, instead of the worlds a bad place scenario, uncalled for and tasteless, I added to the debate as did you, we both differ on certain things, however it doesn't give you or jayo the right to accuse other people of talking drivel or making laughable comments we all have a point of view.
[quote][p][bold]Dantealighieri [/bold] wrote: Uncatom- My use of the word 'grunt' was to highlight the problem employers, universities and other bodies find, that when coming into contact with youngsters, a great many of them lack basic communication skills. My 'working class self pity' remark was based on the total drivel posted by some contributers to this debate. Talking of drivel, another brilliant offering PaulCa, well up to your usual standard. I'm surprised you haven't bothered to explain to Hildebrand about the BBC peddling Tory policy, sounds really interesting.[/p][/quote]Oh dear! I must have must have missed the point of this discussion as well, I didn't realise it was about the problems that employers and universities find when coming into contact with youngsters, If you had stated that youngsters had less chance, because of lack of academic and social skills that would have been sufficient, instead of the worlds a bad place scenario, uncalled for and tasteless, I added to the debate as did you, we both differ on certain things, however it doesn't give you or jayo the right to accuse other people of talking drivel or making laughable comments we all have a point of view. uncatom
  • Score: 3

12:22pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Dantealighieri says...

Uncatom- I'm afraid it's not me who is painting the world as a bad place, Have you read Benny 07's post? PaulCa's, par for the course, jaundiced view of this country, and everything else, topped off with, " Welcome to 21st Century perverse hell- hole that is the United Kingdom"?. Do me a favour, if those comments aren't both laughable and pure drivel I don't know what is. Yes you're quite right, we all have a point of view, and thank the Good L ord we can all, albeit with less and less freedom, express those views. But I always feel that if you stick your head above the parapet, you should expect to get shot at.
Uncatom- I'm afraid it's not me who is painting the world as a bad place, Have you read Benny 07's post? PaulCa's, par for the course, jaundiced view of this country, and everything else, topped off with, " Welcome to 21st Century perverse hell- hole that is the United Kingdom"?. Do me a favour, if those comments aren't both laughable and pure drivel I don't know what is. Yes you're quite right, we all have a point of view, and thank the Good L ord we can all, albeit with less and less freedom, express those views. But I always feel that if you stick your head above the parapet, you should expect to get shot at. Dantealighieri
  • Score: -5

7:21pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Skillo says...

JTBERRY wrote:
Positive thinker wrote:
Esther,

You should of said,all you unemployed people just stay in bed all
day claim of the state but just make sure you sign on once every
six months and don't worry about anything whatsoever

That would kept the idiots on this blog happy
That should read, 'should have said' not 'should of said'.

Idiots eh...that's twice now - not very good at this are you mate? :-((

And when you refer to 'the state' i assume you refer to the taxpayer? ie. people like me? As it's the taxpayer who allows for 'the state' to exist after all, and therefore entitles 'idiots' like me to hold an opinion.
Who's is acting the idiot now? That's twice now. Beware the grammar police are about !! :)
[quote][p][bold]JTBERRY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positive thinker[/bold] wrote: Esther, You should of said,all you unemployed people just stay in bed all day claim of the state but just make sure you sign on once every six months and don't worry about anything whatsoever That would kept the idiots on this blog happy[/p][/quote]That should read, 'should have said' not 'should of said'. Idiots eh...that's twice now - not very good at this are you mate? :-(( And when you refer to 'the state' i assume you refer to the taxpayer? ie. people like me? As it's the taxpayer who allows for 'the state' to exist after all, and therefore entitles 'idiots' like me to hold an opinion.[/p][/quote]Who's is acting the idiot now? That's twice now. Beware the grammar police are about !! :) Skillo
  • Score: -5

7:39pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Skillo says...

The point is kids are lazy these days and Esther has every right to suggest they should take any job. If they are not undertaking some form of training or education there is nothing wrong with washing dishes or shelf stacking. It didn't do me any harm at sixteen before i joined the army. Instead of winging about whether she was born with a silver spoon in her mouth maybe you could add some constructive criticism? No wonder we have gangs of feral kids roaming the streets.
The point is kids are lazy these days and Esther has every right to suggest they should take any job. If they are not undertaking some form of training or education there is nothing wrong with washing dishes or shelf stacking. It didn't do me any harm at sixteen before i joined the army. Instead of winging about whether she was born with a silver spoon in her mouth maybe you could add some constructive criticism? No wonder we have gangs of feral kids roaming the streets. Skillo
  • Score: -2

7:52pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Skillo says...

PaulCa wrote:
Clever kids with brains the size of a planet, firsts in Quantum Physics and IQs of 150+ .................ser

ving up fries.

Dumb broad off of the telly who's up sh*t creek without an autocue ....................

..promoted to the Tory cabinet.

Welcome to 21st Century perverse hell-hole that is the United Kingdom.
What is perverse is if they limit themselves to one country, their loss:(
[quote][p][bold]PaulCa[/bold] wrote: Clever kids with brains the size of a planet, firsts in Quantum Physics and IQs of 150+ .................ser ving up fries. Dumb broad off of the telly who's up sh*t creek without an autocue .................... ..promoted to the Tory cabinet. Welcome to 21st Century perverse hell-hole that is the United Kingdom.[/p][/quote]What is perverse is if they limit themselves to one country, their loss:( Skillo
  • Score: -2

9:06am Wed 29 Jan 14

PaulCa says...

MORNING UPDATE

o Gagging bill safely through Lords
o Democracy in tatters
o McVey and colleagues delighted to be cemented in unassailable positions
o BBC omit to mention anything on this morning's "News"
o Hordes of clueless Dantea's / Skillos / Jayos lurch on, signing their own death warrants, voting CON/LAB/LIB/UKIP and chanting, "When I were a lad / In my day / it didn't do me any harm"
o UPDATE COMPLETE. UK down the toilet. Over and out.
MORNING UPDATE o Gagging bill safely through Lords o Democracy in tatters o McVey and colleagues delighted to be cemented in unassailable positions o BBC omit to mention anything on this morning's "News" o Hordes of clueless Dantea's / Skillos / Jayos lurch on, signing their own death warrants, voting CON/LAB/LIB/UKIP and chanting, "When I were a lad / In my day / it didn't do me any harm" o UPDATE COMPLETE. UK down the toilet. Over and out. PaulCa
  • Score: 6

3:17pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Skillo says...

PaulCa wrote:
MORNING UPDATE

o Gagging bill safely through Lords
o Democracy in tatters
o McVey and colleagues delighted to be cemented in unassailable positions
o BBC omit to mention anything on this morning's "News"
o Hordes of clueless Dantea's / Skillos / Jayos lurch on, signing their own death warrants, voting CON/LAB/LIB/UKIP and chanting, "When I were a lad / In my day / it didn't do me any harm"
o UPDATE COMPLETE. UK down the toilet. Over and out.
If you don't like the country and think it has gone down the toilet, leave do us all a favour.
[quote][p][bold]PaulCa[/bold] wrote: MORNING UPDATE o Gagging bill safely through Lords o Democracy in tatters o McVey and colleagues delighted to be cemented in unassailable positions o BBC omit to mention anything on this morning's "News" o Hordes of clueless Dantea's / Skillos / Jayos lurch on, signing their own death warrants, voting CON/LAB/LIB/UKIP and chanting, "When I were a lad / In my day / it didn't do me any harm" o UPDATE COMPLETE. UK down the toilet. Over and out.[/p][/quote]If you don't like the country and think it has gone down the toilet, leave do us all a favour. Skillo
  • Score: -1

6:15pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Jayo says...

An MP says people should take any job and I agree. PaulCa posts his own biased embittered sexist views which hardly relate to the story and its me that's clueless.
An MP says people should take any job and I agree. PaulCa posts his own biased embittered sexist views which hardly relate to the story and its me that's clueless. Jayo
  • Score: -2

9:53am Thu 30 Jan 14

uncatom says...

Jayo wrote:
An MP says people should take any job and I agree. PaulCa posts his own biased embittered sexist views which hardly relate to the story and its me that's clueless.
I disagree that people should take any job, there are many jobs at the that require compassion and understanding eg: care assistants in care homes, home helps, childcare assistants, if people don't have the commitment for this type of employment then it will ultimately reflect on the people in care, this type of job is traditionally low paid, so will be given, not offered to those least qualified, would you want an elderly relative looked after by someone who has been press ganged into the job?
[quote][p][bold]Jayo[/bold] wrote: An MP says people should take any job and I agree. PaulCa posts his own biased embittered sexist views which hardly relate to the story and its me that's clueless.[/p][/quote]I disagree that people should take any job, there are many jobs at the that require compassion and understanding eg: care assistants in care homes, home helps, childcare assistants, if people don't have the commitment for this type of employment then it will ultimately reflect on the people in care, this type of job is traditionally low paid, so will be given, not offered to those least qualified, would you want an elderly relative looked after by someone who has been press ganged into the job? uncatom
  • Score: 0

4:28am Sun 2 Feb 14

JTBERRY says...

Skillo - "kids today are lazy". Haha. What an absolutely massive generalisation.
Skillo - "kids today are lazy". Haha. What an absolutely massive generalisation. JTBERRY
  • Score: 2

4:34am Sun 2 Feb 14

JTBERRY says...

We have gang's of feral kids roaming the streets because somebody on a wirral globe blog didn't offer constructive criticism? Absolute genius.

I bet you start alot of conversations with "when i were a lad..." don't you. And shake your head every time a "hoody" passes you?
We have gang's of feral kids roaming the streets because somebody on a wirral globe blog didn't offer constructive criticism? Absolute genius. I bet you start alot of conversations with "when i were a lad..." don't you. And shake your head every time a "hoody" passes you? JTBERRY
  • Score: 0

3:31pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Skillo says...

JTBERRY wrote:
We have gang's of feral kids roaming the streets because somebody on a wirral globe blog didn't offer constructive criticism? Absolute genius.

I bet you start alot of conversations with "when i were a lad..." don't you. And shake your head every time a "hoody" passes you?
Ive got four sons, What are you going on about "We have gang's of feral kids roaming the streets because somebody on a wirral globe blog didn't offer constructive criticism?" stay off the crack
[quote][p][bold]JTBERRY[/bold] wrote: We have gang's of feral kids roaming the streets because somebody on a wirral globe blog didn't offer constructive criticism? Absolute genius. I bet you start alot of conversations with "when i were a lad..." don't you. And shake your head every time a "hoody" passes you?[/p][/quote]Ive got four sons, What are you going on about "We have gang's of feral kids roaming the streets because somebody on a wirral globe blog didn't offer constructive criticism?" stay off the crack Skillo
  • Score: -1

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