Hoylake traders kick up a stink over Open Golf bins ruling

Wirral Globe: The bins in Charles Road today The bins in Charles Road today

TRADERS in Hoylake are raising a stink over a council crackdown on roadside bins during the Open Golf Championship.

They have been told they must find somewhere else to store their waste containers for the whole of July when the tournament rolls into town.

Shops and bars who leave bins in Charles Road - which runs parallel to the main thoroughfare of Market Street - have received letters from Wirral Council informing them their trade-sized wheelies "will be removed” from July 1.

More than 200,000 golf fans are expected to flood into the area, and the issue of the Charles Road bins was identified as something that “must be addressed” following the last Open in 2006, when police and fire services reported it as “potentially posing a hazard” to pedestrians.

The letter, signed by senior enforcement officer Rob Cain, tells traders: “You have a legal duty to make proper and adequate provision for the storage and disposal of waste generated in the course of your business.

“Businesses do not have any inherent right or permission to store or present any waste on the public highway.”

Some shopkeepers have an agreement with the council to leave their bins on Charles Road, as there is no practical alternative place to store them.

But this will be suspended.

“Regrettably it will not be possible to continue with this arrangement for the duration of July and you must arrange an alternative means of storing your waste for this period,” says the letter.

Kate Verdin-Walsh, proprietor of Vanilla Lounge, said she’ll struggle to find an alternative.

Kate told the Globe she has been “battling” with the town hall over bin storage for several years.

She said: “I don’t know what the council expects us to do.

“We all have to have bins, and if it was just for a short period of time, we could do some lifts to the tip.

“But for the whole of July, that’s going to be a problem.

“We’re lucky we have an outdoor area where we can pull a couple of bins into.

"Even then, they’re going to be where customers are drinking or eating and that’s far from ideal.”

Stuart Hallam, owner of Maccomb’s Pet Store, also received the letter.

He said: “We have been told to shift the bin for the golf - or else.

“But we don’t have anywhere else to put it.

“We now know we have to get rid of it, so our only option is to put rubbish in the car and take it over to the tip at West Kirby.

"But that is soon going to get expensive.”

Stuart's wife, Ruth, said: "It is ridiculous - we don't even have anywhere for a domestic bin because the council took that away."

A Wirral Council spokesman said: “The return of the Open Championship in July is a huge event for Wirral and the council, along with local traders and residents, are keen to show the borough in the best possible light.

“Commercial waste bins in the area of Charles Road have been highlighted by police as potentially posing a hazard to members of the public.

“A significant amount of people are expected in Hoylake for the competition, so we have contacted businesses to ask them to work with the council to put preparations in place to manage their waste and keep it off the public highway for the duration of July.

“Businesses now have ample time to plan for storing and disposing of their waste and help to improve the local environment during what will be a very busy period.

The spokesman said it was not the local authority’s responsibility to deal with collections of commercial bins: “Most businesses will use private companies for their collections.

"It is not our responsibility – our responsibility is to make sure the highway is kept clear."

Domestic bin collections will take place as normal throughout July.

UPDATE: Wirral Council said this evening: "While it is the businesses’ responsibility to make appropriate arrangements, the council is actually in the process of identifying an alternative and practical location for their bins.”

 

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12:41pm Wed 15 Jan 14

ballacrain says...

How come when the golf comes to town these bins become a potential hazard. Where they a hazard back in the 20th century when the golf arrived.
Since the last time the golf was here how many members of the public had any cause to call them a hazard.
Ballacrain
How come when the golf comes to town these bins become a potential hazard. Where they a hazard back in the 20th century when the golf arrived. Since the last time the golf was here how many members of the public had any cause to call them a hazard. Ballacrain ballacrain
  • Score: 5

1:02pm Wed 15 Jan 14

hildebrand says...

aren't businesses meant to store their own bins? Don't see them keeping them out the front of the bars. Aren't they just taking advantage of the fact they back onto a quiet road?
aren't businesses meant to store their own bins? Don't see them keeping them out the front of the bars. Aren't they just taking advantage of the fact they back onto a quiet road? hildebrand
  • Score: 3

1:04pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Thepleb says...

And so it begins these bins are only a hazard to general public in pringle jumpers and baseball caps in the month of July, with the influx of possibly 200,000 golf fans wouldn't local businesses have more refuge to deal with than normal so how does this benefit them and will they be listened too or will the golf freeloaders in the town hall ignore their local small business people? I would imagine more ludicrous demands will be on the way including closing local schools, community centres all in the access way to Hoylake.
And so it begins these bins are only a hazard to general public in pringle jumpers and baseball caps in the month of July, with the influx of possibly 200,000 golf fans wouldn't local businesses have more refuge to deal with than normal so how does this benefit them and will they be listened too or will the golf freeloaders in the town hall ignore their local small business people? I would imagine more ludicrous demands will be on the way including closing local schools, community centres all in the access way to Hoylake. Thepleb
  • Score: 2

1:32pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Heycock says...

It's like the fresh smell of paint that always greets the Queen when she's visiting somewhere otherwise neglected the rest of the time.
It's like the fresh smell of paint that always greets the Queen when she's visiting somewhere otherwise neglected the rest of the time. Heycock
  • Score: 8

4:15pm Wed 15 Jan 14

WirralAl says...

Nice to see the council are working with local businesses. Perhaps the council should look at ways of helping and providing a service to remove the refuge for the businesses that they happily force them to pay business rates for.

They really do not have a clue how to work with people do they!

Its a shame that the 200,000 people who will visit will not be able to find a hotel or much accommodation during the open due to other events.

As they state it is their responsibility to keep the highways clear does that mean that all the roads will remain open for the duration of the open?


Still at least all those free loaders at the council will get free tickets and treated like royalty especially Steve Foul Kus All ( The worst leader of the council who has wasted all our millions) will be Mayor so I am sure he will have a great time at our expense.

Yes its a nice big event for the council and its many leaches ?
Nice to see the council are working with local businesses. Perhaps the council should look at ways of helping and providing a service to remove the refuge for the businesses that they happily force them to pay business rates for. They really do not have a clue how to work with people do they! Its a shame that the 200,000 people who will visit will not be able to find a hotel or much accommodation during the open due to other events. As they state it is their responsibility to keep the highways clear does that mean that all the roads will remain open for the duration of the open? Still at least all those free loaders at the council will get free tickets and treated like royalty especially Steve Foul Kus All ( The worst leader of the council who has wasted all our millions) will be Mayor so I am sure he will have a great time at our expense. Yes its a nice big event for the council and its many leaches ? WirralAl
  • Score: 9

4:46pm Wed 15 Jan 14

bigfoot says...

WirralAl wrote:
Nice to see the council are working with local businesses. Perhaps the council should look at ways of helping and providing a service to remove the refuge for the businesses that they happily force them to pay business rates for.

They really do not have a clue how to work with people do they!

Its a shame that the 200,000 people who will visit will not be able to find a hotel or much accommodation during the open due to other events.

As they state it is their responsibility to keep the highways clear does that mean that all the roads will remain open for the duration of the open?


Still at least all those free loaders at the council will get free tickets and treated like royalty especially Steve Foul Kus All ( The worst leader of the council who has wasted all our millions) will be Mayor so I am sure he will have a great time at our expense.

Yes its a nice big event for the council and its many leaches ?
One thumbs up isn't enough for this very accurate comment.
[quote][p][bold]WirralAl[/bold] wrote: Nice to see the council are working with local businesses. Perhaps the council should look at ways of helping and providing a service to remove the refuge for the businesses that they happily force them to pay business rates for. They really do not have a clue how to work with people do they! Its a shame that the 200,000 people who will visit will not be able to find a hotel or much accommodation during the open due to other events. As they state it is their responsibility to keep the highways clear does that mean that all the roads will remain open for the duration of the open? Still at least all those free loaders at the council will get free tickets and treated like royalty especially Steve Foul Kus All ( The worst leader of the council who has wasted all our millions) will be Mayor so I am sure he will have a great time at our expense. Yes its a nice big event for the council and its many leaches ?[/p][/quote]One thumbs up isn't enough for this very accurate comment. bigfoot
  • Score: 4

4:47pm Wed 15 Jan 14

hildebrand says...

is that picture real? Thats shocking!
is that picture real? Thats shocking! hildebrand
  • Score: 2

6:33pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Llamedos 1 says...

When oh when will this bunch of bufoons running this borough learn any lessons from the past. The idiots must be aware that unless you roll up the same trouser leg and play golf you are probably in the majority and not in the least interested in golf.........yet again looking after themselves and their own.
Absolute disgrace
When oh when will this bunch of bufoons running this borough learn any lessons from the past. The idiots must be aware that unless you roll up the same trouser leg and play golf you are probably in the majority and not in the least interested in golf.........yet again looking after themselves and their own. Absolute disgrace Llamedos 1
  • Score: 3

8:47pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Joeblogg85 says...

Even thought the R and A completely run the show, a certain Council Officer in Wallasey Town Hall will no doubt try to hijack all the credit once again. The R and A run this event like clockwork each year and the local Council does as it's told. Somehow though this Officer will believe it is THEM who is running the show!
Even thought the R and A completely run the show, a certain Council Officer in Wallasey Town Hall will no doubt try to hijack all the credit once again. The R and A run this event like clockwork each year and the local Council does as it's told. Somehow though this Officer will believe it is THEM who is running the show! Joeblogg85
  • Score: 1

9:47pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Thepleb says...

That cringe worthy moment when the gleaming jag pulls up and out steps the new mayor folkes representing his subjects...unless that tape gets an airing..o dear
That cringe worthy moment when the gleaming jag pulls up and out steps the new mayor folkes representing his subjects...unless that tape gets an airing..o dear Thepleb
  • Score: 3

9:06am Thu 16 Jan 14

WirralAl says...

Thepleb wrote:
That cringe worthy moment when the gleaming jag pulls up and out steps the new mayor folkes representing his subjects...unless that tape gets an airing..o dear
The thought of it makes you want to vomit!!! It's a truly sick council that rewards failure and abuse.
[quote][p][bold]Thepleb[/bold] wrote: That cringe worthy moment when the gleaming jag pulls up and out steps the new mayor folkes representing his subjects...unless that tape gets an airing..o dear[/p][/quote]The thought of it makes you want to vomit!!! It's a truly sick council that rewards failure and abuse. WirralAl
  • Score: 4

10:29am Thu 16 Jan 14

artemis81 says...

Joeblogg85 wrote:
Even thought the R and A completely run the show, a certain Council Officer in Wallasey Town Hall will no doubt try to hijack all the credit once again. The R and A run this event like clockwork each year and the local Council does as it's told. Somehow though this Officer will believe it is THEM who is running the show!
You, the Pleb and PaulCa need to start your own support group - Axegrinders Anonymous.
[quote][p][bold]Joeblogg85[/bold] wrote: Even thought the R and A completely run the show, a certain Council Officer in Wallasey Town Hall will no doubt try to hijack all the credit once again. The R and A run this event like clockwork each year and the local Council does as it's told. Somehow though this Officer will believe it is THEM who is running the show![/p][/quote]You, the Pleb and PaulCa need to start your own support group - Axegrinders Anonymous. artemis81
  • Score: 2

10:37am Thu 16 Jan 14

artemis81 says...

Llamedos 1 wrote:
When oh when will this bunch of bufoons running this borough learn any lessons from the past. The idiots must be aware that unless you roll up the same trouser leg and play golf you are probably in the majority and not in the least interested in golf.........yet again looking after themselves and their own.
Absolute disgrace
Have you even read the story? This is like a randomly-generated Council rant. Have a look at the photo, is this what you want people to see when they walk through Hoylake in the summer? Also, big wheelie bins left on the street when there is a major international event in town is a huge safety and security issue. What the businesses - most of whom will benefit from massively increased trade from the Open - have been asked to do is perfectly reasonable if you think about it.
[quote][p][bold]Llamedos 1[/bold] wrote: When oh when will this bunch of bufoons running this borough learn any lessons from the past. The idiots must be aware that unless you roll up the same trouser leg and play golf you are probably in the majority and not in the least interested in golf.........yet again looking after themselves and their own. Absolute disgrace[/p][/quote]Have you even read the story? This is like a randomly-generated Council rant. Have a look at the photo, is this what you want people to see when they walk through Hoylake in the summer? Also, big wheelie bins left on the street when there is a major international event in town is a huge safety and security issue. What the businesses - most of whom will benefit from massively increased trade from the Open - have been asked to do is perfectly reasonable if you think about it. artemis81
  • Score: 1

10:53am Thu 16 Jan 14

Thepleb says...

artemis81 wrote:
Llamedos 1 wrote:
When oh when will this bunch of bufoons running this borough learn any lessons from the past. The idiots must be aware that unless you roll up the same trouser leg and play golf you are probably in the majority and not in the least interested in golf.........yet again looking after themselves and their own.
Absolute disgrace
Have you even read the story? This is like a randomly-generated Council rant. Have a look at the photo, is this what you want people to see when they walk through Hoylake in the summer? Also, big wheelie bins left on the street when there is a major international event in town is a huge safety and security issue. What the businesses - most of whom will benefit from massively increased trade from the Open - have been asked to do is perfectly reasonable if you think about it.
Artemis 81 more messages from the council's favourite p.r I have many axes to grind with these incompetant smiling assassins and like previously stated if there is a safety issue then it should be enforced all year round not just when the cameras appear...as an example no such orders before the very popular and very well attended Hoylake Show
[quote][p][bold]artemis81[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llamedos 1[/bold] wrote: When oh when will this bunch of bufoons running this borough learn any lessons from the past. The idiots must be aware that unless you roll up the same trouser leg and play golf you are probably in the majority and not in the least interested in golf.........yet again looking after themselves and their own. Absolute disgrace[/p][/quote]Have you even read the story? This is like a randomly-generated Council rant. Have a look at the photo, is this what you want people to see when they walk through Hoylake in the summer? Also, big wheelie bins left on the street when there is a major international event in town is a huge safety and security issue. What the businesses - most of whom will benefit from massively increased trade from the Open - have been asked to do is perfectly reasonable if you think about it.[/p][/quote]Artemis 81 more messages from the council's favourite p.r I have many axes to grind with these incompetant smiling assassins and like previously stated if there is a safety issue then it should be enforced all year round not just when the cameras appear...as an example no such orders before the very popular and very well attended Hoylake Show Thepleb
  • Score: 0

11:06am Thu 16 Jan 14

artemis81 says...

Thepleb wrote:
artemis81 wrote:
Llamedos 1 wrote:
When oh when will this bunch of bufoons running this borough learn any lessons from the past. The idiots must be aware that unless you roll up the same trouser leg and play golf you are probably in the majority and not in the least interested in golf.........yet again looking after themselves and their own.
Absolute disgrace
Have you even read the story? This is like a randomly-generated Council rant. Have a look at the photo, is this what you want people to see when they walk through Hoylake in the summer? Also, big wheelie bins left on the street when there is a major international event in town is a huge safety and security issue. What the businesses - most of whom will benefit from massively increased trade from the Open - have been asked to do is perfectly reasonable if you think about it.
Artemis 81 more messages from the council's favourite p.r I have many axes to grind with these incompetant smiling assassins and like previously stated if there is a safety issue then it should be enforced all year round not just when the cameras appear...as an example no such orders before the very popular and very well attended Hoylake Show
'Council's favourite P.R.?' sadly not! I suspect this decision will have been taken on police advice, anyway, so as ever it's a case of shooting the messenger.
[quote][p][bold]Thepleb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]artemis81[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llamedos 1[/bold] wrote: When oh when will this bunch of bufoons running this borough learn any lessons from the past. The idiots must be aware that unless you roll up the same trouser leg and play golf you are probably in the majority and not in the least interested in golf.........yet again looking after themselves and their own. Absolute disgrace[/p][/quote]Have you even read the story? This is like a randomly-generated Council rant. Have a look at the photo, is this what you want people to see when they walk through Hoylake in the summer? Also, big wheelie bins left on the street when there is a major international event in town is a huge safety and security issue. What the businesses - most of whom will benefit from massively increased trade from the Open - have been asked to do is perfectly reasonable if you think about it.[/p][/quote]Artemis 81 more messages from the council's favourite p.r I have many axes to grind with these incompetant smiling assassins and like previously stated if there is a safety issue then it should be enforced all year round not just when the cameras appear...as an example no such orders before the very popular and very well attended Hoylake Show[/p][/quote]'Council's favourite P.R.?' sadly not! I suspect this decision will have been taken on police advice, anyway, so as ever it's a case of shooting the messenger. artemis81
  • Score: 0

1:05pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Joeblogg85 says...

artemis81 wrote:
Joeblogg85 wrote:
Even thought the R and A completely run the show, a certain Council Officer in Wallasey Town Hall will no doubt try to hijack all the credit once again. The R and A run this event like clockwork each year and the local Council does as it's told. Somehow though this Officer will believe it is THEM who is running the show!
You, the Pleb and PaulCa need to start your own support group - Axegrinders Anonymous.
Hey Artemis,

Unfortunately, the Council leaves itself wide open for much criticism. This situation could and should have been handled much better. I see the Council are now in the process of identifying a solution to the problem. If they had tackled this issue by identifying a solution in the first place instead of upsetting all the business owners then this type of bad publicity could have been avoided. For the record, I do agree that it is not acceptable to have this many bins out in one street, it does look awful.
[quote][p][bold]artemis81[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joeblogg85[/bold] wrote: Even thought the R and A completely run the show, a certain Council Officer in Wallasey Town Hall will no doubt try to hijack all the credit once again. The R and A run this event like clockwork each year and the local Council does as it's told. Somehow though this Officer will believe it is THEM who is running the show![/p][/quote]You, the Pleb and PaulCa need to start your own support group - Axegrinders Anonymous.[/p][/quote]Hey Artemis, Unfortunately, the Council leaves itself wide open for much criticism. This situation could and should have been handled much better. I see the Council are now in the process of identifying a solution to the problem. If they had tackled this issue by identifying a solution in the first place instead of upsetting all the business owners then this type of bad publicity could have been avoided. For the record, I do agree that it is not acceptable to have this many bins out in one street, it does look awful. Joeblogg85
  • Score: -1

1:41pm Thu 16 Jan 14

hildebrand says...

artemis81 wrote:
Llamedos 1 wrote: When oh when will this bunch of bufoons running this borough learn any lessons from the past. The idiots must be aware that unless you roll up the same trouser leg and play golf you are probably in the majority and not in the least interested in golf.........yet again looking after themselves and their own. Absolute disgrace
Have you even read the story? This is like a randomly-generated Council rant. Have a look at the photo, is this what you want people to see when they walk through Hoylake in the summer? Also, big wheelie bins left on the street when there is a major international event in town is a huge safety and security issue. What the businesses - most of whom will benefit from massively increased trade from the Open - have been asked to do is perfectly reasonable if you think about it.
I reckon Maccomb's will be doing a roaring trade for compulsive goldfish purchasers
[quote][p][bold]artemis81[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llamedos 1[/bold] wrote: When oh when will this bunch of bufoons running this borough learn any lessons from the past. The idiots must be aware that unless you roll up the same trouser leg and play golf you are probably in the majority and not in the least interested in golf.........yet again looking after themselves and their own. Absolute disgrace[/p][/quote]Have you even read the story? This is like a randomly-generated Council rant. Have a look at the photo, is this what you want people to see when they walk through Hoylake in the summer? Also, big wheelie bins left on the street when there is a major international event in town is a huge safety and security issue. What the businesses - most of whom will benefit from massively increased trade from the Open - have been asked to do is perfectly reasonable if you think about it.[/p][/quote]I reckon Maccomb's will be doing a roaring trade for compulsive goldfish purchasers hildebrand
  • Score: -1

5:11pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Llamedos 1 says...

How right you are Artemis but you said it yourself...."all summer" Why all of a sudden as the Open approaches.....I`ll tell you why, coz the bufoons in the Clown Hall are only interested in their own self gratification....the
y are not interested in the rest of they year when there is no Open golf tournament
How right you are Artemis but you said it yourself...."all summer" Why all of a sudden as the Open approaches.....I`ll tell you why, coz the bufoons in the Clown Hall are only interested in their own self gratification....the y are not interested in the rest of they year when there is no Open golf tournament Llamedos 1
  • Score: 0

6:19pm Thu 16 Jan 14

keen gardener says...

Never mind hiding wheelie bins I just hope a "massive litter pick" across the whole of Wirral is on the "list of things to do" between now and July.
Never mind hiding wheelie bins I just hope a "massive litter pick" across the whole of Wirral is on the "list of things to do" between now and July. keen gardener
  • Score: -1

2:48pm Sat 18 Jan 14

naughtykitties says...

It strikes me that the best way to deal with the issue of the bins would be for the clowncil to arrange extra collections for those businesses. Let's be honest, the reason the council is behaving like this is that those bins are an eyesore and don't present Hoylake in the best light. That's fair enough. What's not on is penalizing the businesses who pay their business rates to have those bins emptied. They're coping as best they can; if the clowncil wants a tidy street, they should use said business rates to arrange it.
It strikes me that the best way to deal with the issue of the bins would be for the clowncil to arrange extra collections for those businesses. Let's be honest, the reason the council is behaving like this is that those bins are an eyesore and don't present Hoylake in the best light. That's fair enough. What's not on is penalizing the businesses who pay their business rates to have those bins emptied. They're coping as best they can; if the clowncil wants a tidy street, they should use said business rates to arrange it. naughtykitties
  • Score: 1

9:02am Tue 21 Jan 14

Phil_jacques@hotmail.com says...

If clearing the streets of bins can make it nicer for Samuel L Jackson or Tiger Woods to pop into Hoylake for a paper and 20 Lamberts, then I'm all for it.

Hats off to Wirral Council for catering to our Hollywood idols and putting Wirral on the map!
If clearing the streets of bins can make it nicer for Samuel L Jackson or Tiger Woods to pop into Hoylake for a paper and 20 Lamberts, then I'm all for it. Hats off to Wirral Council for catering to our Hollywood idols and putting Wirral on the map! Phil_jacques@hotmail.com
  • Score: -3

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