Wirral Council faces further cuts of £42m

Wirral Globe: Wirral Council leader Cllr Phil Davies. Wirral Council leader Cllr Phil Davies.

MORE "difficult decisions" may have to be made after Wirral Council’s local Government settlement was slashed by £42m.

Local councils in England – except the Greater London Authority - are facing a 2.9% cut in overall funding for 2014/15 following an announcement by Local Government Minister Brandon Lewis.

Mr Lewis said it should leave councils with "considerable total spending power" of £2,089 per household, and give them "the stability and certainty needed to plan budgets and move ahead with transforming local services and ongoing efficiency".

He added: “We have tried to be fair to every part of the country – north and south, rural and urban, metropolitan and shire.”

Wirral was already facing a £109m budget squeeze over the next three years, and announced a £29m savings package earlier this week.

Councillor Phil Davies, leader of Wirral Council, said the cuts are disproportionate and will have a direct impact on the authority’s ability to main existing levels of services.

He said: “I am obviously disappointed that the Tory-led Government has imposed yet more cuts on Wirral, which are again disproportionate when compared with reductions to wealthy local authorities in the south.

“While our improved business and financial planning processes have enabled us to plan for this scenario, this does not reduce the burden on the services that Wirral people rely on.

“This latest announcement will see our grant from central Government fall by £42m from 2013/14 to 2015/16, which will have a direct impact on our ability to maintain existing levels of services.

"We will ensure that services for the most vulnerable people are prioritised, however it is inevitable that more difficult decisions will need to be taken in the future.

“I am particularly disappointed to see year on year reductions to the Early Intervention Grant, which is designed to protect the life chances of our young people.”

Councillor Davies added: “I call on the Government to re-think these cuts which will do huge damage to local services in Wirral.”

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10:01am Fri 20 Dec 13

mickey1more says...

Blaming the central Government doesn't wash with me or thousands of law abiding tax payers on the Wirral Mr Davies.
You and your fellow councillors are the ones that have constantly wasted millions of pounds here in the Wirral by investing in Icelandic banks, spending on ridiculous projects like the Golf course in The dips in New Brighton. I will also assume that you and your fellow councillors are still having the bar open at your Town Halls and having subsided drinks week in week out...All in this together? Don't make me laugh.
How about drafting a list up of exactly who and how many people in The Wirral aren't paying their compulsory Council Tax and getting the Wirral Globe and Wirral news to print the figures. I reckon the list is in the thousands and if that was recouped from the last 10 years then you might be able to balance the books and stop whingeing about central Government and put your own house in order!
Blaming the central Government doesn't wash with me or thousands of law abiding tax payers on the Wirral Mr Davies. You and your fellow councillors are the ones that have constantly wasted millions of pounds here in the Wirral by investing in Icelandic banks, spending on ridiculous projects like the Golf course in The dips in New Brighton. I will also assume that you and your fellow councillors are still having the bar open at your Town Halls and having subsided drinks week in week out...All in this together? Don't make me laugh. How about drafting a list up of exactly who and how many people in The Wirral aren't paying their compulsory Council Tax and getting the Wirral Globe and Wirral news to print the figures. I reckon the list is in the thousands and if that was recouped from the last 10 years then you might be able to balance the books and stop whingeing about central Government and put your own house in order! mickey1more

10:59am Fri 20 Dec 13

JohnON says...

“I am obviously disappointed that the Tory-led Government...." zzzz

How about a tiny little mention for the Labour-led Government that put the country in debt to the tune of 100s of BILLIONS with their over-generous handouts to every Tom, Dick and Harry who asked for one.

Nobody expected getting out of the mess would be easy but I think what people are entitled to expect is that Councils would be grateful for the "old days", appreciate it couldn't go on forever and now just get on with the job without the constant bleating.
“I am obviously disappointed that the Tory-led Government...." zzzz How about a tiny little mention for the Labour-led Government that put the country in debt to the tune of 100s of BILLIONS with their over-generous handouts to every Tom, Dick and Harry who asked for one. Nobody expected getting out of the mess would be easy but I think what people are entitled to expect is that Councils would be grateful for the "old days", appreciate it couldn't go on forever and now just get on with the job without the constant bleating. JohnON

11:18am Fri 20 Dec 13

artemis81 says...

mickey1more wrote:
Blaming the central Government doesn't wash with me or thousands of law abiding tax payers on the Wirral Mr Davies.
You and your fellow councillors are the ones that have constantly wasted millions of pounds here in the Wirral by investing in Icelandic banks, spending on ridiculous projects like the Golf course in The dips in New Brighton. I will also assume that you and your fellow councillors are still having the bar open at your Town Halls and having subsided drinks week in week out...All in this together? Don't make me laugh.
How about drafting a list up of exactly who and how many people in The Wirral aren't paying their compulsory Council Tax and getting the Wirral Globe and Wirral news to print the figures. I reckon the list is in the thousands and if that was recouped from the last 10 years then you might be able to balance the books and stop whingeing about central Government and put your own house in order!
That's nearly a full catalogue of wrongness right there, Mick. Icelandic banks? The money has pretty much been recouped. The golf course - private company, nothing to do with the Council. Bar and subsidised drinks at the Town Hall; please enlighten me! People who don't pay Council Tax are in court every week, but anyway the kind of money you are talking about is a drop in the ocean compared to the cash local authorities are losing as a result of the combination of cuts in central Government grant and caps on Council Tax rises. Other than that, you're spot on.
[quote][p][bold]mickey1more[/bold] wrote: Blaming the central Government doesn't wash with me or thousands of law abiding tax payers on the Wirral Mr Davies. You and your fellow councillors are the ones that have constantly wasted millions of pounds here in the Wirral by investing in Icelandic banks, spending on ridiculous projects like the Golf course in The dips in New Brighton. I will also assume that you and your fellow councillors are still having the bar open at your Town Halls and having subsided drinks week in week out...All in this together? Don't make me laugh. How about drafting a list up of exactly who and how many people in The Wirral aren't paying their compulsory Council Tax and getting the Wirral Globe and Wirral news to print the figures. I reckon the list is in the thousands and if that was recouped from the last 10 years then you might be able to balance the books and stop whingeing about central Government and put your own house in order![/p][/quote]That's nearly a full catalogue of wrongness right there, Mick. Icelandic banks? The money has pretty much been recouped. The golf course - private company, nothing to do with the Council. Bar and subsidised drinks at the Town Hall; please enlighten me! People who don't pay Council Tax are in court every week, but anyway the kind of money you are talking about is a drop in the ocean compared to the cash local authorities are losing as a result of the combination of cuts in central Government grant and caps on Council Tax rises. Other than that, you're spot on. artemis81

11:27am Fri 20 Dec 13

ballacrain says...

How can this council be short of funds when it can afford to have three councillors per ward when one would be sufficient. Then there are the free swims for all and sundry. It is not only the people in Wirral who swim for free,kids during school breaks but Liverpool and South Wirral use the pools regularly.
Ballacrain
How can this council be short of funds when it can afford to have three councillors per ward when one would be sufficient. Then there are the free swims for all and sundry. It is not only the people in Wirral who swim for free,kids during school breaks but Liverpool and South Wirral use the pools regularly. Ballacrain ballacrain

11:58am Fri 20 Dec 13

bigfoot says...

Deeper and deeper in to the doo doo and all thanks to our wonderful Council and their masters in Whitehall!
Deeper and deeper in to the doo doo and all thanks to our wonderful Council and their masters in Whitehall! bigfoot

1:42pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Growl Tiger says...

Cllr Davies says "We will ensure that services for the most vulnerable people are prioritised”. However, they are threatening Lyndale School with closure due to a budget shortfall of £70,000 whilst handing out £45,000 to a council employee allegedly because he was upset by another colleague.

This does not strike me as indicating “improved business and financial planning processes” .
Cllr Davies says "We will ensure that services for the most vulnerable people are prioritised”. However, they are threatening Lyndale School with closure due to a budget shortfall of £70,000 whilst handing out £45,000 to a council employee allegedly because he was upset by another colleague. This does not strike me as indicating “improved business and financial planning processes” . Growl Tiger

2:50pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Joeblogg85 says...

" I call on the Government to re-think threes cuts......"

Somehow I don't think they will be listening Cllr Davies!

However way you see this announcement, it is clear that we are where we are and we have to get on with it, whether it is unfair or not. Wirral has had its fair share of funding down the years given it's demographic. Most of it has not had the desired affect and now the well is running dry.

I know it is extremely challenging but we need to crack on again but please no more consultations. It is clear that instead of following other councils and looking at street lights etc we need to be more innovative and creative in our thinking.

It may even be time to start thinking the unthinkable! I still believe that the senior management team is too big and the newly appointed Super Directors does not seem to be having the desired affect. Do we need a Mayor and Deputy these days? Also, does Wirral really need 25 Libraries. Why not just have a 2 or 3 in each constituency? That would still be 8/12 in the borough, which is still a decent amount.

I also think we could lose a Councillor in each area as three seems too many and the Council also has lots of funding invested in press, public relations, community engagement and consultations. Given, services like Meals on Wheels have gone, is this important?

Instead of endless consultations at much cost, why not look at bringing together a group of residents that represents the demographic of Wirral and let them work with the Councillors and Senior Officers in discussing how services could look in the future.

We must surely be reaching the point where essential serves only will be supported in the future. So let's stop bemoaning our position and grasp the nettle and move forward with purpose.
" I call on the Government to re-think threes cuts......" Somehow I don't think they will be listening Cllr Davies! However way you see this announcement, it is clear that we are where we are and we have to get on with it, whether it is unfair or not. Wirral has had its fair share of funding down the years given it's demographic. Most of it has not had the desired affect and now the well is running dry. I know it is extremely challenging but we need to crack on again but please no more consultations. It is clear that instead of following other councils and looking at street lights etc we need to be more innovative and creative in our thinking. It may even be time to start thinking the unthinkable! I still believe that the senior management team is too big and the newly appointed Super Directors does not seem to be having the desired affect. Do we need a Mayor and Deputy these days? Also, does Wirral really need 25 Libraries. Why not just have a 2 or 3 in each constituency? That would still be 8/12 in the borough, which is still a decent amount. I also think we could lose a Councillor in each area as three seems too many and the Council also has lots of funding invested in press, public relations, community engagement and consultations. Given, services like Meals on Wheels have gone, is this important? Instead of endless consultations at much cost, why not look at bringing together a group of residents that represents the demographic of Wirral and let them work with the Councillors and Senior Officers in discussing how services could look in the future. We must surely be reaching the point where essential serves only will be supported in the future. So let's stop bemoaning our position and grasp the nettle and move forward with purpose. Joeblogg85

2:55pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Joeblogg85 says...

Sorry about some earlier typos but was in full flow...
Sorry about some earlier typos but was in full flow... Joeblogg85

2:57pm Fri 20 Dec 13

naughtykitties says...

JohnON wrote:
“I am obviously disappointed that the Tory-led Government...." zzzz

How about a tiny little mention for the Labour-led Government that put the country in debt to the tune of 100s of BILLIONS with their over-generous handouts to every Tom, Dick and Harry who asked for one.

Nobody expected getting out of the mess would be easy but I think what people are entitled to expect is that Councils would be grateful for the "old days", appreciate it couldn't go on forever and now just get on with the job without the constant bleating.
*Yawn* Could you please can the party political tripe? It smells awful and doesn't match up with the debt to GDP ratio statistics or the figures of DWP spending. The massive debt pile accrued by central government came from bailing out financial institutions who'd lost to much at the casino of their speculative markets. None of the parties are interested in doing anything to restrict the gambling of "The City", because those are the people who really run this country and sod the electorate.

Yes, I don't doubt Phil and his minions are deliberately making things worse than they need to be. There's a lot of party political mileage to be made in deliberately exaggerating the effects of cuts as well as providing a convenient smokescreen for even more nest feathering, but to ignore the effects of central government's penny pinching while they splurge ridiculous sums on vanity projects like HS1 is idiotic.
[quote][p][bold]JohnON[/bold] wrote: “I am obviously disappointed that the Tory-led Government...." zzzz How about a tiny little mention for the Labour-led Government that put the country in debt to the tune of 100s of BILLIONS with their over-generous handouts to every Tom, Dick and Harry who asked for one. Nobody expected getting out of the mess would be easy but I think what people are entitled to expect is that Councils would be grateful for the "old days", appreciate it couldn't go on forever and now just get on with the job without the constant bleating.[/p][/quote]*Yawn* Could you please can the party political tripe? It smells awful and doesn't match up with the debt to GDP ratio statistics or the figures of DWP spending. The massive debt pile accrued by central government came from bailing out financial institutions who'd lost to much at the casino of their speculative markets. None of the parties are interested in doing anything to restrict the gambling of "The City", because those are the people who really run this country and sod the electorate. Yes, I don't doubt Phil and his minions are deliberately making things worse than they need to be. There's a lot of party political mileage to be made in deliberately exaggerating the effects of cuts as well as providing a convenient smokescreen for even more nest feathering, but to ignore the effects of central government's penny pinching while they splurge ridiculous sums on vanity projects like HS1 is idiotic. naughtykitties

4:10pm Fri 20 Dec 13

JohnON says...

"but to ignore the effects of central government's penny pinching while they splurge ridiculous sums on vanity projects like HS1 is idiotic."

I agree. Nowhere did I suggest the Council ignores the effects. What I said was it's about time they stopped moaning about it, face the situation as it is and get on with it.

Fine, if they want to lobby Central Government, let them do so. I don't need to hear about it.
"but to ignore the effects of central government's penny pinching while they splurge ridiculous sums on vanity projects like HS1 is idiotic." I agree. Nowhere did I suggest the Council ignores the effects. What I said was it's about time they stopped moaning about it, face the situation as it is and get on with it. Fine, if they want to lobby Central Government, let them do so. I don't need to hear about it. JohnON

4:20pm Fri 20 Dec 13

PaulCa says...

artemis81 wrote:
mickey1more wrote:
Blaming the central Government doesn't wash with me or thousands of law abiding tax payers on the Wirral Mr Davies.
You and your fellow councillors are the ones that have constantly wasted millions of pounds here in the Wirral by investing in Icelandic banks, spending on ridiculous projects like the Golf course in The dips in New Brighton. I will also assume that you and your fellow councillors are still having the bar open at your Town Halls and having subsided drinks week in week out...All in this together? Don't make me laugh.
How about drafting a list up of exactly who and how many people in The Wirral aren't paying their compulsory Council Tax and getting the Wirral Globe and Wirral news to print the figures. I reckon the list is in the thousands and if that was recouped from the last 10 years then you might be able to balance the books and stop whingeing about central Government and put your own house in order!
That's nearly a full catalogue of wrongness right there, Mick. Icelandic banks? The money has pretty much been recouped. The golf course - private company, nothing to do with the Council. Bar and subsidised drinks at the Town Hall; please enlighten me! People who don't pay Council Tax are in court every week, but anyway the kind of money you are talking about is a drop in the ocean compared to the cash local authorities are losing as a result of the combination of cuts in central Government grant and caps on Council Tax rises. Other than that, you're spot on.
It's the shortest catalogue of wrongness I've ever seen... and I've seen and contributed quite a few, but never been able to reel off the whole gamut of Wirral abuse.
[quote][p][bold]artemis81[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey1more[/bold] wrote: Blaming the central Government doesn't wash with me or thousands of law abiding tax payers on the Wirral Mr Davies. You and your fellow councillors are the ones that have constantly wasted millions of pounds here in the Wirral by investing in Icelandic banks, spending on ridiculous projects like the Golf course in The dips in New Brighton. I will also assume that you and your fellow councillors are still having the bar open at your Town Halls and having subsided drinks week in week out...All in this together? Don't make me laugh. How about drafting a list up of exactly who and how many people in The Wirral aren't paying their compulsory Council Tax and getting the Wirral Globe and Wirral news to print the figures. I reckon the list is in the thousands and if that was recouped from the last 10 years then you might be able to balance the books and stop whingeing about central Government and put your own house in order![/p][/quote]That's nearly a full catalogue of wrongness right there, Mick. Icelandic banks? The money has pretty much been recouped. The golf course - private company, nothing to do with the Council. Bar and subsidised drinks at the Town Hall; please enlighten me! People who don't pay Council Tax are in court every week, but anyway the kind of money you are talking about is a drop in the ocean compared to the cash local authorities are losing as a result of the combination of cuts in central Government grant and caps on Council Tax rises. Other than that, you're spot on.[/p][/quote]It's the shortest catalogue of wrongness I've ever seen... and I've seen and contributed quite a few, but never been able to reel off the whole gamut of Wirral abuse. PaulCa

4:21pm Fri 20 Dec 13

PaulCa says...

Growl Tiger wrote:
Cllr Davies says "We will ensure that services for the most vulnerable people are prioritised”. However, they are threatening Lyndale School with closure due to a budget shortfall of £70,000 whilst handing out £45,000 to a council employee allegedly because he was upset by another colleague.

This does not strike me as indicating “improved business and financial planning processes” .
He?
[quote][p][bold]Growl Tiger[/bold] wrote: Cllr Davies says "We will ensure that services for the most vulnerable people are prioritised”. However, they are threatening Lyndale School with closure due to a budget shortfall of £70,000 whilst handing out £45,000 to a council employee allegedly because he was upset by another colleague. This does not strike me as indicating “improved business and financial planning processes” .[/p][/quote]He? PaulCa

4:35pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Llamedos 1 says...

"Services for the most vulnerable prioritised" Is this man having a laugh.
Lyndale, Moreton ATC, Meals on Wheels, respite care homes. So much for Davies care of our vulnerable residents....the only thing the clowns care about is themselves, their financial packages and their beloved political parties........shame on the lot of them
"Services for the most vulnerable prioritised" Is this man having a laugh. Lyndale, Moreton ATC, Meals on Wheels, respite care homes. So much for Davies care of our vulnerable residents....the only thing the clowns care about is themselves, their financial packages and their beloved political parties........shame on the lot of them Llamedos 1

5:41pm Fri 20 Dec 13

naughtykitties says...

JohnON wrote:
"but to ignore the effects of central government's penny pinching while they splurge ridiculous sums on vanity projects like HS1 is idiotic."

I agree. Nowhere did I suggest the Council ignores the effects. What I said was it's about time they stopped moaning about it, face the situation as it is and get on with it.

Fine, if they want to lobby Central Government, let them do so. I don't need to hear about it.
So, if policies enacted by Central Government are having an effect on valued Local Government services, you wouldn't to know about that? Do you just roll up on polling day and put your cross in a random box, too?

I agree, they are bleating on about it incessantly. Central Government are no better on that score. Such is the nature of the media circus surrounding our political system and a large number of the electorate who'd rather watch X-factor, sadly.
[quote][p][bold]JohnON[/bold] wrote: "but to ignore the effects of central government's penny pinching while they splurge ridiculous sums on vanity projects like HS1 is idiotic." I agree. Nowhere did I suggest the Council ignores the effects. What I said was it's about time they stopped moaning about it, face the situation as it is and get on with it. Fine, if they want to lobby Central Government, let them do so. I don't need to hear about it.[/p][/quote]So, if policies enacted by Central Government are having an effect on valued Local Government services, you wouldn't to know about that? Do you just roll up on polling day and put your cross in a random box, too? I agree, they are bleating on about it incessantly. Central Government are no better on that score. Such is the nature of the media circus surrounding our political system and a large number of the electorate who'd rather watch X-factor, sadly. naughtykitties

6:07pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Growl Tiger says...

Growl Tiger hates making mistakes when it comes to the Council, but GT wasn’t sure of the gender involved. GT is grateful for PaulCa 's correctness.
Growl Tiger hates making mistakes when it comes to the Council, but GT wasn’t sure of the gender involved. GT is grateful for PaulCa 's correctness. Growl Tiger

6:18pm Fri 20 Dec 13

JohnON says...

"So, if policies enacted by Central Government are having an effect on valued Local Government services, you wouldn't to know about that? "

Yes, of course I want to know about it.

"I agree, they are bleating on about it incessantly."

That's all I'm saying as well.
"So, if policies enacted by Central Government are having an effect on valued Local Government services, you wouldn't to know about that? " Yes, of course I want to know about it. "I agree, they are bleating on about it incessantly." That's all I'm saying as well. JohnON

9:06pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Mr moderate says...

JohnON wrote:
“I am obviously disappointed that the Tory-led Government...." zzzz

How about a tiny little mention for the Labour-led Government that put the country in debt to the tune of 100s of BILLIONS with their over-generous handouts to every Tom, Dick and Harry who asked for one.

Nobody expected getting out of the mess would be easy but I think what people are entitled to expect is that Councils would be grateful for the "old days", appreciate it couldn't go on forever and now just get on with the job without the constant bleating.
I thought that was the banks and arn t they the ones that bank role the Tory party
[quote][p][bold]JohnON[/bold] wrote: “I am obviously disappointed that the Tory-led Government...." zzzz How about a tiny little mention for the Labour-led Government that put the country in debt to the tune of 100s of BILLIONS with their over-generous handouts to every Tom, Dick and Harry who asked for one. Nobody expected getting out of the mess would be easy but I think what people are entitled to expect is that Councils would be grateful for the "old days", appreciate it couldn't go on forever and now just get on with the job without the constant bleating.[/p][/quote]I thought that was the banks and arn t they the ones that bank role the Tory party Mr moderate

9:07am Sat 21 Dec 13

JohnON says...

"I thought that was the banks and arn t they the ones that bank role the Tory party"

It was the Labour Government that virtually let the banks off the hook and it was the Labour Government's excessive overspending on welfare and uncontrolled immigration that has resulted in on-going year on year spending that's made the recovery more difficult.

With regard to who bankrolls whom, the unions bankroll the Labour Party and I would suggest that both are equally capable of bringing the country to its knees.
"I thought that was the banks and arn t they the ones that bank role the Tory party" It was the Labour Government that virtually let the banks off the hook and it was the Labour Government's excessive overspending on welfare and uncontrolled immigration that has resulted in on-going year on year spending that's made the recovery more difficult. With regard to who bankrolls whom, the unions bankroll the Labour Party and I would suggest that both are equally capable of bringing the country to its knees. JohnON

12:53pm Sat 21 Dec 13

naughtykitties says...

JohnON wrote:
"I thought that was the banks and arn t they the ones that bank role the Tory party"

It was the Labour Government that virtually let the banks off the hook and it was the Labour Government's excessive overspending on welfare and uncontrolled immigration that has resulted in on-going year on year spending that's made the recovery more difficult.

With regard to who bankrolls whom, the unions bankroll the Labour Party and I would suggest that both are equally capable of bringing the country to its knees.
Your narrative is a pile of utter rot, as is well known to anyone who has seen the figures. Tell me, JohnON, what has the Conservative and Unionist party done to resolve matters with the banks?

I'll tell you.

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Now stop shilling, please.
[quote][p][bold]JohnON[/bold] wrote: "I thought that was the banks and arn t they the ones that bank role the Tory party" It was the Labour Government that virtually let the banks off the hook and it was the Labour Government's excessive overspending on welfare and uncontrolled immigration that has resulted in on-going year on year spending that's made the recovery more difficult. With regard to who bankrolls whom, the unions bankroll the Labour Party and I would suggest that both are equally capable of bringing the country to its knees.[/p][/quote]Your narrative is a pile of utter rot, as is well known to anyone who has seen the figures. Tell me, JohnON, what has the Conservative and Unionist party done to resolve matters with the banks? I'll tell you. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Now stop shilling, please. naughtykitties

9:20am Sun 22 Dec 13

hobroW says...

If we canned "party political" what a bonanza. As McMillan once commented "Events,dear boy,events" as he lost control of his administration. Politicians seem ever to be riding a tiger or a bucking bronco and their relative skill is how long they can be astride the back of the beast.,

The credit bubble was largely due to the unleashing of unrealisable expectations where Jones said Smith got that and I should have it too. Politicians bathed in a form of "you've never had it so good" while the bubble floated but knowing it would burst.

I believe we should judge politicians on what we can see and on what they are prepared to let us see of their operations. In local government we are capable of seeing in the microcosm .

Judging on what we have witnessed from this administration before the cuts occurred I give the thumbs down, for lack of transparency,and for obfuscation . I know not enough of the policy-making to make an informed judgement but they fail on the open and transparent critique.
If we canned "party political" what a bonanza. As McMillan once commented "Events,dear boy,events" as he lost control of his administration. Politicians seem ever to be riding a tiger or a bucking bronco and their relative skill is how long they can be astride the back of the beast., The credit bubble was largely due to the unleashing of unrealisable expectations where Jones said Smith got that and I should have it too. Politicians bathed in a form of "you've never had it so good" while the bubble floated but knowing it would burst. I believe we should judge politicians on what we can see and on what they are prepared to let us see of their operations. In local government we are capable of seeing in the microcosm . Judging on what we have witnessed from this administration before the cuts occurred I give the thumbs down, for lack of transparency,and for obfuscation . I know not enough of the policy-making to make an informed judgement but they fail on the open and transparent critique. hobroW

9:50am Sun 22 Dec 13

JohnON says...

What's the point in being open and transparent when there are so many people who are so entrenched in their Party's dogma they won't see the truth if it slaps them across the face.

In an earlier post, I said: "Labour-led Government (that) put the country in debt to the tune of 100s of BILLIONS"

Apologies, I was wrong: http://tinyurl.com/3
5npdm9
What's the point in being open and transparent when there are so many people who are so entrenched in their Party's dogma they won't see the truth if it slaps them across the face. In an earlier post, I said: "Labour-led Government (that) put the country in debt to the tune of 100s of BILLIONS" Apologies, I was wrong: http://tinyurl.com/3 5npdm9 JohnON

9:41pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Hugo1008 says...

What Clr Phil Davies fails to explain that in comparison with cuts to other local authorities, there is no other Local Government Council that has the same abysmal track record of Wirral Borough Council.

There is no other set of elected Labour Councilors in the whole country that have the distinction of bringing WBC to the very serious low level of adequate Governance and gain the reputation of the worst Managed and Governed authority in the entire British Isles.

If councilors are going to make comparisons they should at least be "Like for Like" and reflect what has happened on Wirral over the last ten years if not twenty years to give a real picture of how low WBC has sunk too.
What Clr Phil Davies fails to explain that in comparison with cuts to other local authorities, there is no other Local Government Council that has the same abysmal track record of Wirral Borough Council. There is no other set of elected Labour Councilors in the whole country that have the distinction of bringing WBC to the very serious low level of adequate Governance and gain the reputation of the worst Managed and Governed authority in the entire British Isles. If councilors are going to make comparisons they should at least be "Like for Like" and reflect what has happened on Wirral over the last ten years if not twenty years to give a real picture of how low WBC has sunk too. Hugo1008

10:48am Mon 23 Dec 13

hobroW says...

Hugo1008 wrote:
What Clr Phil Davies fails to explain that in comparison with cuts to other local authorities, there is no other Local Government Council that has the same abysmal track record of Wirral Borough Council.

There is no other set of elected Labour Councilors in the whole country that have the distinction of bringing WBC to the very serious low level of adequate Governance and gain the reputation of the worst Managed and Governed authority in the entire British Isles.

If councilors are going to make comparisons they should at least be "Like for Like" and reflect what has happened on Wirral over the last ten years if not twenty years to give a real picture of how low WBC has sunk too.
Precisely what I wrote in my last post!
[quote][p][bold]Hugo1008[/bold] wrote: What Clr Phil Davies fails to explain that in comparison with cuts to other local authorities, there is no other Local Government Council that has the same abysmal track record of Wirral Borough Council. There is no other set of elected Labour Councilors in the whole country that have the distinction of bringing WBC to the very serious low level of adequate Governance and gain the reputation of the worst Managed and Governed authority in the entire British Isles. If councilors are going to make comparisons they should at least be "Like for Like" and reflect what has happened on Wirral over the last ten years if not twenty years to give a real picture of how low WBC has sunk too.[/p][/quote]Precisely what I wrote in my last post! hobroW

10:53am Mon 23 Dec 13

hobroW says...

Apologies, I was wrong: http://tinyurl.com/3

5npdm9

Well Hugo more than just "Events dear boy,Events.." £1.3 trillion KNOWINGLY wasted by the Labour administration!
Apologies, I was wrong: http://tinyurl.com/3 5npdm9 Well Hugo more than just "Events dear boy,Events.." £1.3 trillion KNOWINGLY wasted by the Labour administration! hobroW

2:34pm Thu 26 Dec 13

minimad69 says...

The question does need asking - how many cuts can WBC take - the £10m - the £15m there - all while better-off councils don't suffer the same.

I am no fan of the current Foulkesian Junta - but you still have to ask the question.....

Central Govt hand out the cuts - when even local Tories would not agree with, if they were in power...

With Tories it's just cuts-cuts-cuts - boring and not actually solving anything long-term or short-term.
Any fool can save money - making and investing money is what is required.
The question does need asking - how many cuts can WBC take - the £10m - the £15m there - all while better-off councils don't suffer the same. I am no fan of the current Foulkesian Junta - but you still have to ask the question..... Central Govt hand out the cuts - when even local Tories would not agree with, if they were in power... With Tories it's just cuts-cuts-cuts - boring and not actually solving anything long-term or short-term. Any fool can save money - making and investing money is what is required. minimad69

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