Wirral Council hopes to borrow extra cash to avoid enforced job cuts

Wirral Globe: Wirral Council hopes to be allowed to borrow extra cash to avoid enforced job cuts Wirral Council hopes to be allowed to borrow extra cash to avoid enforced job cuts

Council leaders are hoping that the Government will extend town hall borrowing powers to avoid a clash with trade unions over job losses.

Wirral Council is facing a huge £109m budget gap over the next three years and within the next couple of months councillors must decide where cuts will be made.

Councillor Phil Davies, who recently led an all-part delegation to spell out Wirral’s budget challenge to Government minister Nick Boles, said the extra cash from borrowing would boost the local authority’s voluntary redundancy scheme.

He said: “The more generous the scheme we can put in place the less likelihood there will be to make compulsory redundancies.

“Dependent on how much the Government will allow us to borrow, the more we can achieve by voluntary means.

“We need to keep talking to each other; as soon as we know the amount, we will know what the split will be between voluntary and compulsory redundancies.

“I will do my utmost to avoid compulsory redundancies. I know the implications for members of staff, their families and their livelihoods. I want to do this by voluntary means as much as possible.”

Joe Taylor, Unison’s Wirral branch secretary, told a recent council cabinet meeting that the union was totally opposed to compulsory job cuts.

He warned that if the council took that step members would be balloted on possible action.

He told cabinet that Unison’s national officer would be coming to Wirral this month to examine the council’s books in the hope of suggesting alternative savings.

And he claimed immediate savings would be made by making it a priority to cease employment of consultants, advisers and agency staff.

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3:23pm Mon 14 Jan 13

PaulCa says...

Very tellingly, UNISON didn't turn a hair, much less call for an all-out strike when this council repeatedly plundered the bank accounts of the learning disabled people it had an obligation to look after. No.... UNISON lay down and did nothing when the council steamrollered over the whistleblower who stood in their way - who happened to be a UNISON member.

Absolutely despicable.

But that's what happens when you're cosying up on the golf course comparing scorecards one minute, before doing deals and reporting back to senior management the next, with he lowdown on 'problem people' or 'troublemakers' in the ranks of your members - who've been deluded into thinking that in exchange for £15 per month you're going to fight tooth and nail for their "employment rights".

More chance plaiting fog.

You don't do what it screams on the tin do you Mr UNISON Full Time Officer? In fact it's more likely you'll drop complainants or whistleblowers like a stone, then carry on duping and bigging yourselves up, talking tough to the unwitting, starry-eyed subscribers who remain.

The whole thing is a complete and utter, contemptible and mendacious charade.... as is the smoke and mirrors article above.
Very tellingly, UNISON didn't turn a hair, much less call for an all-out strike when this council repeatedly plundered the bank accounts of the learning disabled people it had an obligation to look after. No.... UNISON lay down and did nothing when the council steamrollered over the whistleblower who stood in their way - who happened to be a UNISON member. Absolutely despicable. But that's what happens when you're cosying up on the golf course comparing scorecards one minute, before doing deals and reporting back to senior management the next, with he lowdown on 'problem people' or 'troublemakers' in the ranks of your members - who've been deluded into thinking that in exchange for £15 per month you're going to fight tooth and nail for their "employment rights". More chance plaiting fog. You don't do what it screams on the tin do you Mr UNISON Full Time Officer? In fact it's more likely you'll drop complainants or whistleblowers like a stone, then carry on duping and bigging yourselves up, talking tough to the unwitting, starry-eyed subscribers who remain. The whole thing is a complete and utter, contemptible and mendacious charade.... as is the smoke and mirrors article above. PaulCa

3:32pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Thepleb says...

PaulCa wrote:
Very tellingly, UNISON didn't turn a hair, much less call for an all-out strike when this council repeatedly plundered the bank accounts of the learning disabled people it had an obligation to look after. No.... UNISON lay down and did nothing when the council steamrollered over the whistleblower who stood in their way - who happened to be a UNISON member.

Absolutely despicable.

But that's what happens when you're cosying up on the golf course comparing scorecards one minute, before doing deals and reporting back to senior management the next, with he lowdown on 'problem people' or 'troublemakers' in the ranks of your members - who've been deluded into thinking that in exchange for £15 per month you're going to fight tooth and nail for their "employment rights".

More chance plaiting fog.

You don't do what it screams on the tin do you Mr UNISON Full Time Officer? In fact it's more likely you'll drop complainants or whistleblowers like a stone, then carry on duping and bigging yourselves up, talking tough to the unwitting, starry-eyed subscribers who remain.

The whole thing is a complete and utter, contemptible and mendacious charade.... as is the smoke and mirrors article above.
So Wirral council who are in debt are going to borrow more money to pay workers off rather than make them redundant and they wonder why they are in a financial mess.
God help all those council workers.
As for the unions don't they realise that industrial action Will not work without essential workers going on strike also.
One day strikes don't work but longer strikes just hit the striking workers in the pocket but union officials still pick up their pay.
[quote][p][bold]PaulCa[/bold] wrote: Very tellingly, UNISON didn't turn a hair, much less call for an all-out strike when this council repeatedly plundered the bank accounts of the learning disabled people it had an obligation to look after. No.... UNISON lay down and did nothing when the council steamrollered over the whistleblower who stood in their way - who happened to be a UNISON member. Absolutely despicable. But that's what happens when you're cosying up on the golf course comparing scorecards one minute, before doing deals and reporting back to senior management the next, with he lowdown on 'problem people' or 'troublemakers' in the ranks of your members - who've been deluded into thinking that in exchange for £15 per month you're going to fight tooth and nail for their "employment rights". More chance plaiting fog. You don't do what it screams on the tin do you Mr UNISON Full Time Officer? In fact it's more likely you'll drop complainants or whistleblowers like a stone, then carry on duping and bigging yourselves up, talking tough to the unwitting, starry-eyed subscribers who remain. The whole thing is a complete and utter, contemptible and mendacious charade.... as is the smoke and mirrors article above.[/p][/quote]So Wirral council who are in debt are going to borrow more money to pay workers off rather than make them redundant and they wonder why they are in a financial mess. God help all those council workers. As for the unions don't they realise that industrial action Will not work without essential workers going on strike also. One day strikes don't work but longer strikes just hit the striking workers in the pocket but union officials still pick up their pay. Thepleb

4:40pm Mon 14 Jan 13

johnhardaker says...

So the 8 union reps who are paid £247.000.00 by the ratepayers want the council to borrow money to pay enhanced redundancy payments for their members, what a joke & why should the ratepayers fork out this money when the council are only obliged to pay statutory redundancy pay & why should council workers be treated as a special case, can anybody tell me?. Did the workers at Remploy Ltd get any extra money when they were closed down,I don't think so.
Reading through council minutes,Globe articles,freedom of information requests the unions have done little to protect employe's in the past & in most cases have sided with the council to cover up bullying & miss dead's so why are they getting on their high horse now to protect staff at ratepayers expense it's a sick joke, or would any of the expensive 8 care to defend their actions.
So the 8 union reps who are paid £247.000.00 by the ratepayers want the council to borrow money to pay enhanced redundancy payments for their members, what a joke & why should the ratepayers fork out this money when the council are only obliged to pay statutory redundancy pay & why should council workers be treated as a special case, can anybody tell me?. Did the workers at Remploy Ltd get any extra money when they were closed down,I don't think so. Reading through council minutes,Globe articles,freedom of information requests the unions have done little to protect employe's in the past & in most cases have sided with the council to cover up bullying & miss dead's so why are they getting on their high horse now to protect staff at ratepayers expense it's a sick joke, or would any of the expensive 8 care to defend their actions. johnhardaker

6:50pm Mon 14 Jan 13

WirralAl says...

PaulCa wrote:
Very tellingly, UNISON didn't turn a hair, much less call for an all-out strike when this council repeatedly plundered the bank accounts of the learning disabled people it had an obligation to look after. No.... UNISON lay down and did nothing when the council steamrollered over the whistleblower who stood in their way - who happened to be a UNISON member.

Absolutely despicable.

But that's what happens when you're cosying up on the golf course comparing scorecards one minute, before doing deals and reporting back to senior management the next, with he lowdown on 'problem people' or 'troublemakers' in the ranks of your members - who've been deluded into thinking that in exchange for £15 per month you're going to fight tooth and nail for their "employment rights".

More chance plaiting fog.

You don't do what it screams on the tin do you Mr UNISON Full Time Officer? In fact it's more likely you'll drop complainants or whistleblowers like a stone, then carry on duping and bigging yourselves up, talking tough to the unwitting, starry-eyed subscribers who remain.

The whole thing is a complete and utter, contemptible and mendacious charade.... as is the smoke and mirrors article above.
Couldn't, agree more. Farce following farce as always.
[quote][p][bold]PaulCa[/bold] wrote: Very tellingly, UNISON didn't turn a hair, much less call for an all-out strike when this council repeatedly plundered the bank accounts of the learning disabled people it had an obligation to look after. No.... UNISON lay down and did nothing when the council steamrollered over the whistleblower who stood in their way - who happened to be a UNISON member. Absolutely despicable. But that's what happens when you're cosying up on the golf course comparing scorecards one minute, before doing deals and reporting back to senior management the next, with he lowdown on 'problem people' or 'troublemakers' in the ranks of your members - who've been deluded into thinking that in exchange for £15 per month you're going to fight tooth and nail for their "employment rights". More chance plaiting fog. You don't do what it screams on the tin do you Mr UNISON Full Time Officer? In fact it's more likely you'll drop complainants or whistleblowers like a stone, then carry on duping and bigging yourselves up, talking tough to the unwitting, starry-eyed subscribers who remain. The whole thing is a complete and utter, contemptible and mendacious charade.... as is the smoke and mirrors article above.[/p][/quote]Couldn't, agree more. Farce following farce as always. WirralAl

6:50pm Mon 14 Jan 13

WirralAl says...

PaulCa wrote:
Very tellingly, UNISON didn't turn a hair, much less call for an all-out strike when this council repeatedly plundered the bank accounts of the learning disabled people it had an obligation to look after. No.... UNISON lay down and did nothing when the council steamrollered over the whistleblower who stood in their way - who happened to be a UNISON member.

Absolutely despicable.

But that's what happens when you're cosying up on the golf course comparing scorecards one minute, before doing deals and reporting back to senior management the next, with he lowdown on 'problem people' or 'troublemakers' in the ranks of your members - who've been deluded into thinking that in exchange for £15 per month you're going to fight tooth and nail for their "employment rights".

More chance plaiting fog.

You don't do what it screams on the tin do you Mr UNISON Full Time Officer? In fact it's more likely you'll drop complainants or whistleblowers like a stone, then carry on duping and bigging yourselves up, talking tough to the unwitting, starry-eyed subscribers who remain.

The whole thing is a complete and utter, contemptible and mendacious charade.... as is the smoke and mirrors article above.
Couldn't, agree more. Farce following farce as always.
[quote][p][bold]PaulCa[/bold] wrote: Very tellingly, UNISON didn't turn a hair, much less call for an all-out strike when this council repeatedly plundered the bank accounts of the learning disabled people it had an obligation to look after. No.... UNISON lay down and did nothing when the council steamrollered over the whistleblower who stood in their way - who happened to be a UNISON member. Absolutely despicable. But that's what happens when you're cosying up on the golf course comparing scorecards one minute, before doing deals and reporting back to senior management the next, with he lowdown on 'problem people' or 'troublemakers' in the ranks of your members - who've been deluded into thinking that in exchange for £15 per month you're going to fight tooth and nail for their "employment rights". More chance plaiting fog. You don't do what it screams on the tin do you Mr UNISON Full Time Officer? In fact it's more likely you'll drop complainants or whistleblowers like a stone, then carry on duping and bigging yourselves up, talking tough to the unwitting, starry-eyed subscribers who remain. The whole thing is a complete and utter, contemptible and mendacious charade.... as is the smoke and mirrors article above.[/p][/quote]Couldn't, agree more. Farce following farce as always. WirralAl

6:59pm Mon 14 Jan 13

pcs1980 says...

Borrowing more is not an option when the government grant is being cut further over the next few years, that will lead to more money from the continually dwindling pot servicing debt rather than paying for the vital services that are being hit.
Bringing the commissioners in would be far worse.
The council should do what Shropshire council did, sack all staff with a guarantee of their jobs back under new sustainable contracts.

http://www.guardian.
co.uk/society/2011/j
ul/05/shropshire-cou
ncil-sacks-workforce


Surely everyone keeping their job on reduced pay is better than any kind of redundancies.
Borrowing more is not an option when the government grant is being cut further over the next few years, that will lead to more money from the continually dwindling pot servicing debt rather than paying for the vital services that are being hit. Bringing the commissioners in would be far worse. The council should do what Shropshire council did, sack all staff with a guarantee of their jobs back under new sustainable contracts. http://www.guardian. co.uk/society/2011/j ul/05/shropshire-cou ncil-sacks-workforce Surely everyone keeping their job on reduced pay is better than any kind of redundancies. pcs1980

11:00am Tue 15 Jan 13

hildebrand says...

pcs 1980, that's the first sensible suggestion I've read on here
pcs 1980, that's the first sensible suggestion I've read on here hildebrand

11:39am Tue 15 Jan 13

Thepleb says...

pcs1980 wrote:
Borrowing more is not an option when the government grant is being cut further over the next few years, that will lead to more money from the continually dwindling pot servicing debt rather than paying for the vital services that are being hit.
Bringing the commissioners in would be far worse.
The council should do what Shropshire council did, sack all staff with a guarantee of their jobs back under new sustainable contracts.

http://www.guardian.

co.uk/society/2011/j

ul/05/shropshire-cou

ncil-sacks-workforce



Surely everyone keeping their job on reduced pay is better than any kind of redundancies.
This coalition government needs to prioritise British workers over paying out billions on overseas aid and rather than cut jobs create them.
They will always be in debt every government in the world is.
America invested in their public services and created jobs which in turn generated more taxes.
Privatisation of public services is what this coalition government wants eventually so they can line pockets of shareholders and create more conservative donations.
[quote][p][bold]pcs1980[/bold] wrote: Borrowing more is not an option when the government grant is being cut further over the next few years, that will lead to more money from the continually dwindling pot servicing debt rather than paying for the vital services that are being hit. Bringing the commissioners in would be far worse. The council should do what Shropshire council did, sack all staff with a guarantee of their jobs back under new sustainable contracts. http://www.guardian. co.uk/society/2011/j ul/05/shropshire-cou ncil-sacks-workforce Surely everyone keeping their job on reduced pay is better than any kind of redundancies.[/p][/quote]This coalition government needs to prioritise British workers over paying out billions on overseas aid and rather than cut jobs create them. They will always be in debt every government in the world is. America invested in their public services and created jobs which in turn generated more taxes. Privatisation of public services is what this coalition government wants eventually so they can line pockets of shareholders and create more conservative donations. Thepleb

4:19pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Hugo1008 says...

Question Leigh:

Have My submissions been cut by your judgement, This I respect.

Or have the been cut because of an outside objection, I would like to know if I an ruffling some feathers.

I do not think I said anything untrue about our useless WBC and equally inept Councilors who have been largely responsible for the mess WBC is in with complete lack of Governance in the last 10 years at least.
Question Leigh: Have My submissions been cut by your judgement, This I respect. Or have the been cut because of an outside objection, I would like to know if I an ruffling some feathers. I do not think I said anything untrue about our useless WBC and equally inept Councilors who have been largely responsible for the mess WBC is in with complete lack of Governance in the last 10 years at least. Hugo1008

10:42pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Jimrob says...

And how about this for a crazy idea?

Why not use the Councils own RESERVES (Which can be counted in the tens of millions of pounds) instead of borrowing money and having to pay interest on the loans?

Oh, I get it. We're not supposed to know anything about the Reserves are we lads?

Ok. I'll keep quiet. Shhhhhh.
And how about this for a crazy idea? Why not use the Councils own RESERVES (Which can be counted in the tens of millions of pounds) instead of borrowing money and having to pay interest on the loans? Oh, I get it. We're not supposed to know anything about the Reserves are we lads? Ok. I'll keep quiet. Shhhhhh. Jimrob

9:24am Thu 17 Jan 13

woodyres2 says...

Jimrob wrote:
And how about this for a crazy idea? Why not use the Councils own RESERVES (Which can be counted in the tens of millions of pounds) instead of borrowing money and having to pay interest on the loans? Oh, I get it. We're not supposed to know anything about the Reserves are we lads? Ok. I'll keep quiet. Shhhhhh.
I'd like to know more about that Jimrob, and why exactly should we not know ?

Isn't this supposed to be an open & transparent Council ?

A lot of council workers have travelled on this gravy train for a long time. I often thought the council workers active on Woodchurch during the "Neighbourhood Management" years, creating divisions & trouble between residents groups to achieve their own outcomes would not last 5 minutes in the "real world" i.e. a proper job in the private sector.

The fact that these people could now be getting huge payouts, and the Council are prepared to go into deeper debt to ensure they do, disgusts me !!

It will mean more services cut, and we will all suffer for that ...
[quote][p][bold]Jimrob[/bold] wrote: And how about this for a crazy idea? Why not use the Councils own RESERVES (Which can be counted in the tens of millions of pounds) instead of borrowing money and having to pay interest on the loans? Oh, I get it. We're not supposed to know anything about the Reserves are we lads? Ok. I'll keep quiet. Shhhhhh.[/p][/quote]I'd like to know more about that Jimrob, and why exactly should we not know ? Isn't this supposed to be an open & transparent Council ? A lot of council workers have travelled on this gravy train for a long time. I often thought the council workers active on Woodchurch during the "Neighbourhood Management" years, creating divisions & trouble between residents groups to achieve their own outcomes would not last 5 minutes in the "real world" i.e. a proper job in the private sector. The fact that these people could now be getting huge payouts, and the Council are prepared to go into deeper debt to ensure they do, disgusts me !! It will mean more services cut, and we will all suffer for that ... woodyres2

1:54pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Hugo1008 says...

Prime Example of how bad Party Politics in Local Government is

Moreton local election New Labour have put up a comedienne as ther representative, as if there are not enough clowns already in the Party.

Whilst The Conservatives have put the Wife of a serving Councillor up for their candidate, presumably to put twice as much money into a houshold, That needs it, I think.

Two extremes that have little or no bearing on looking after the needs or wishes of the local population.
Prime Example of how bad Party Politics in Local Government is Moreton local election New Labour have put up a comedienne as ther representative, as if there are not enough clowns already in the Party. Whilst The Conservatives have put the Wife of a serving Councillor up for their candidate, presumably to put twice as much money into a houshold, That needs it, I think. Two extremes that have little or no bearing on looking after the needs or wishes of the local population. Hugo1008

10:24pm Thu 17 Jan 13

bigmick1 says...

This coalition government needs to prioritise British workers over paying out billions on overseas aid and rather than cut jobs create them.
They will always be in debt every government in the world is.
America invested in their public services and created jobs which in turn generated more taxes.
Privatisation of public services is what this coalition government wants eventually so they can line pockets of shareholders and create more conservative donations.

Now that's the whole truth right there, protect jobs, terms and conditions, charity begins at home, conservatives have never changed, it's the mirror image of maggie thatcher again reading off the book, have you all got short memories and how she broke this country???? We're 2013 people lets not roll back the clock, Cameron now that's a dimwit leading the Tories.
This coalition government needs to prioritise British workers over paying out billions on overseas aid and rather than cut jobs create them. They will always be in debt every government in the world is. America invested in their public services and created jobs which in turn generated more taxes. Privatisation of public services is what this coalition government wants eventually so they can line pockets of shareholders and create more conservative donations. Now that's the whole truth right there, protect jobs, terms and conditions, charity begins at home, conservatives have never changed, it's the mirror image of maggie thatcher again reading off the book, have you all got short memories and how she broke this country???? We're 2013 people lets not roll back the clock, Cameron now that's a dimwit leading the Tories. bigmick1

10:34pm Thu 17 Jan 13

bigmick1 says...

4k pay off for 16 years worth of continuous work and the cost of a livelihood is an insult woodyres2.
4k pay off for 16 years worth of continuous work and the cost of a livelihood is an insult woodyres2. bigmick1

2:36pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Wirral_Man says...

Borrow your way out of debt, Hmmmmmmm where have a heard that before???????

Oh yes, the two Eds trying to lead us to a magical money tree that's going to solve all our problems :-o
Borrow your way out of debt, Hmmmmmmm where have a heard that before??????? Oh yes, the two Eds trying to lead us to a magical money tree that's going to solve all our problems :-o Wirral_Man

4:23pm Fri 18 Jan 13

woodyres2 says...

bigmick1 wrote:
4k pay off for 16 years worth of continuous work and the cost of a livelihood is an insult woodyres2.
I agree bigmick1, but isn't there a legal requirement of a certain amount for each year of service when it comes to redundancy ? The article & posts don't make it clear .... are the pay offs over & above any redundancy payments ? If so, why ?

Maybe you can enlighten us.
[quote][p][bold]bigmick1[/bold] wrote: 4k pay off for 16 years worth of continuous work and the cost of a livelihood is an insult woodyres2.[/p][/quote]I agree bigmick1, but isn't there a legal requirement of a certain amount for each year of service when it comes to redundancy ? The article & posts don't make it clear .... are the pay offs over & above any redundancy payments ? If so, why ? Maybe you can enlighten us. woodyres2

8:18pm Sun 20 Jan 13

bickyboy says...

Thepleb wrote:
pcs1980 wrote:
Borrowing more is not an option when the government grant is being cut further over the next few years, that will lead to more money from the continually dwindling pot servicing debt rather than paying for the vital services that are being hit.
Bringing the commissioners in would be far worse.
The council should do what Shropshire council did, sack all staff with a guarantee of their jobs back under new sustainable contracts.

http://www.guardian.


co.uk/society/2011/j


ul/05/shropshire-cou


ncil-sacks-workforce




Surely everyone keeping their job on reduced pay is better than any kind of redundancies.
This coalition government needs to prioritise British workers over paying out billions on overseas aid and rather than cut jobs create them.
They will always be in debt every government in the world is.
America invested in their public services and created jobs which in turn generated more taxes.
Privatisation of public services is what this coalition government wants eventually so they can line pockets of shareholders and create more conservative donations.
Exactly.

This government is using the deficit (which incidentally they are having NO success in reducing, despite inflicing pain on just about everybody except rich Tory supporters who are about to get a gigantic tax windfall) as an excuse to emasculate local councils in Labour areas so that they have no choice but to put out services for private tender.

When the smoke has cleared from this perfect storm of local authority disembowlment, G4S, Serco and the rest of the privateers will be free to run everything that you and I hold dear, into the ground.

Maybe then we might realise that what we spent so much time complaining about was actually worth saving.
[quote][p][bold]Thepleb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pcs1980[/bold] wrote: Borrowing more is not an option when the government grant is being cut further over the next few years, that will lead to more money from the continually dwindling pot servicing debt rather than paying for the vital services that are being hit. Bringing the commissioners in would be far worse. The council should do what Shropshire council did, sack all staff with a guarantee of their jobs back under new sustainable contracts. http://www.guardian. co.uk/society/2011/j ul/05/shropshire-cou ncil-sacks-workforce Surely everyone keeping their job on reduced pay is better than any kind of redundancies.[/p][/quote]This coalition government needs to prioritise British workers over paying out billions on overseas aid and rather than cut jobs create them. They will always be in debt every government in the world is. America invested in their public services and created jobs which in turn generated more taxes. Privatisation of public services is what this coalition government wants eventually so they can line pockets of shareholders and create more conservative donations.[/p][/quote]Exactly. This government is using the deficit (which incidentally they are having NO success in reducing, despite inflicing pain on just about everybody except rich Tory supporters who are about to get a gigantic tax windfall) as an excuse to emasculate local councils in Labour areas so that they have no choice but to put out services for private tender. When the smoke has cleared from this perfect storm of local authority disembowlment, G4S, Serco and the rest of the privateers will be free to run everything that you and I hold dear, into the ground. Maybe then we might realise that what we spent so much time complaining about was actually worth saving. bickyboy

8:19pm Sun 20 Jan 13

bickyboy says...

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sic..."disembowelmen t" bickyboy

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