Dogs are taking over our public spaces and it’s getting out of control

Dogs are taking over our public spaces and it’s getting out of control.

Dogs are taking over our public spaces and it’s getting out of control.

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DOGS are taking over our public spaces and it’s getting out of control.

They are often taken to our promenades, parks and beaches, sometimes as many as four or five of them, and just let off the leash to tear around.

Owners let them harass and jump around my children with a breezy, “It’s all right, mate, he doesn’t bite”.

No, it is not all right, you chose to own a dog, I don’t want it anywhere near me, thanks.

It’s true that most owners pick up after them now, but only when they keep track of them, that still leaves almost every scrap of grass a no-go zone and every corner streaked in urine.

I would ask dog owners, would you happily sit on the grass or sand where a dog has just urinated or where you have just picked up mess to have a picnic or let a child play?

If not, who are our parks and beaches for exactly?

Human beings certainly don’t come top of the list.

P Montoya, New Brighton.

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1:07pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Kboyd88 says...

Why must our four legged, furry companions be discriminated against?
As a dog owner and lover, it annoys me to no end to read such nonsense about Dogs being ‘Out of control’
I do not believe for a moment that Dogs are taking over public spaces, I walk my dog in numerous locations and whilst I always see someone else walking a dog as well, I would never describe a place as taken over by dogs.

To P Montoya, I ask you, where would you find acceptable for people to walk their dogs? We must exercise our canine friends and whenever we leave our houses to do so, we are walking them in PUBLIC.

Personally I don’t really like children that much and there are far more of them around than Dogs, and I have to walk amongst scores of them every day. They too are out of control ‘tearing around’ screaming, crying and just generally being bothersome. I don’t appreciate it, but I understand that parents have to be able to do activities with their children, and that that requires them being able to leave the house with them from time to time.

Mr P Montoya, If you don’t like dogs I feel truly sorry for you, for what a sad life you must lead. Dogs have been man’s best friend and guardian for hundreds, if not thousands of years. So many of us have these beloved animals by our sides because we love them like you love your children, you may not understand it, but you should respect it.

The whole idea of public places is that anyone can use them, the beach is not your own private property, therefore I will not feel guilty for allowing my dog to exercise there, whether you feel it is at a detriment to your children or not.
Why must our four legged, furry companions be discriminated against? As a dog owner and lover, it annoys me to no end to read such nonsense about Dogs being ‘Out of control’ I do not believe for a moment that Dogs are taking over public spaces, I walk my dog in numerous locations and whilst I always see someone else walking a dog as well, I would never describe a place as taken over by dogs. To P Montoya, I ask you, where would you find acceptable for people to walk their dogs? We must exercise our canine friends and whenever we leave our houses to do so, we are walking them in PUBLIC. Personally I don’t really like children that much and there are far more of them around than Dogs, and I have to walk amongst scores of them every day. They too are out of control ‘tearing around’ screaming, crying and just generally being bothersome. I don’t appreciate it, but I understand that parents have to be able to do activities with their children, and that that requires them being able to leave the house with them from time to time. Mr P Montoya, If you don’t like dogs I feel truly sorry for you, for what a sad life you must lead. Dogs have been man’s best friend and guardian for hundreds, if not thousands of years. So many of us have these beloved animals by our sides because we love them like you love your children, you may not understand it, but you should respect it. The whole idea of public places is that anyone can use them, the beach is not your own private property, therefore I will not feel guilty for allowing my dog to exercise there, whether you feel it is at a detriment to your children or not. Kboyd88
  • Score: 37

1:35pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Elegia says...

Have you seen the beaches after a busy day? Covered in litter left by humans, not dogs.
Have you seen the beaches after a busy day? Covered in litter left by humans, not dogs. Elegia
  • Score: 48

2:11pm Mon 21 Jul 14

beckette says...

I regularly walk through Birkenhead Park with my dogs and find i am always stepping over trash left by cant be assed parents and their abusive offspring
At least pee is washed away by the rain whereas rubbish is a danger to wildlife and a huge eyesore. As for not wanting the dogs near you, you have a far greater chance of catching fleas, rabies, being barked at or bitten by the frothy mouthed kids in the public areas!
I regularly walk through Birkenhead Park with my dogs and find i am always stepping over trash left by cant be assed parents and their abusive offspring At least pee is washed away by the rain whereas rubbish is a danger to wildlife and a huge eyesore. As for not wanting the dogs near you, you have a far greater chance of catching fleas, rabies, being barked at or bitten by the frothy mouthed kids in the public areas! beckette
  • Score: 24

2:20pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Westerly9 says...

The hatred and prejudice shown towards children from some of these comments (presumably dog lovers) is truly worrying.

It does explain a great deal about how they view other people and why some dogs attack children.

This letter is not asking for dogs to be banned, just for their owners to be able to control them , something these oddballs clearly do not agree with.
The hatred and prejudice shown towards children from some of these comments (presumably dog lovers) is truly worrying. It does explain a great deal about how they view other people and why some dogs attack children. This letter is not asking for dogs to be banned, just for their owners to be able to control them , something these oddballs clearly do not agree with. Westerly9
  • Score: -8

2:41pm Mon 21 Jul 14

rover600 says...

Kboyd88 wrote:
Why must our four legged, furry companions be discriminated against?
As a dog owner and lover, it annoys me to no end to read such nonsense about Dogs being ‘Out of control’
I do not believe for a moment that Dogs are taking over public spaces, I walk my dog in numerous locations and whilst I always see someone else walking a dog as well, I would never describe a place as taken over by dogs.

To P Montoya, I ask you, where would you find acceptable for people to walk their dogs? We must exercise our canine friends and whenever we leave our houses to do so, we are walking them in PUBLIC.

Personally I don’t really like children that much and there are far more of them around than Dogs, and I have to walk amongst scores of them every day. They too are out of control ‘tearing around’ screaming, crying and just generally being bothersome. I don’t appreciate it, but I understand that parents have to be able to do activities with their children, and that that requires them being able to leave the house with them from time to time.

Mr P Montoya, If you don’t like dogs I feel truly sorry for you, for what a sad life you must lead. Dogs have been man’s best friend and guardian for hundreds, if not thousands of years. So many of us have these beloved animals by our sides because we love them like you love your children, you may not understand it, but you should respect it.

The whole idea of public places is that anyone can use them, the beach is not your own private property, therefore I will not feel guilty for allowing my dog to exercise there, whether you feel it is at a detriment to your children or not.
You must go around with your eyes closed for the streets, never mind the parklands of Wirral are covered in dog faeces so much for your analogy. Walk down Grange Mount, Grosvenor Road or Grange Road West daily it is being used as a dog's toilet by people who want all the fun of owning something cute & fluffy but none of the responsibilities of cleaning up after it.

I love dogs, I just choose not to have one for I cannot reasonably devote the time to looking after one.

Letting them run loose to in Parks or in Public has been demonstrated time and time again to be unacceptable.

The Park by Sainsbury's at Prenton is nothing but a dog's toilet too. Despite protestations this isn't the odd incident.

Our beaches will be much improved when the beach ban comes in.

I too don't feel the letter writer is asking for the abolition of dogs no more than some of us would unruly children. Adults should be responsible for both dogs and children, neither have the right to run amok or wild in public areas.
[quote][p][bold]Kboyd88[/bold] wrote: Why must our four legged, furry companions be discriminated against? As a dog owner and lover, it annoys me to no end to read such nonsense about Dogs being ‘Out of control’ I do not believe for a moment that Dogs are taking over public spaces, I walk my dog in numerous locations and whilst I always see someone else walking a dog as well, I would never describe a place as taken over by dogs. To P Montoya, I ask you, where would you find acceptable for people to walk their dogs? We must exercise our canine friends and whenever we leave our houses to do so, we are walking them in PUBLIC. Personally I don’t really like children that much and there are far more of them around than Dogs, and I have to walk amongst scores of them every day. They too are out of control ‘tearing around’ screaming, crying and just generally being bothersome. I don’t appreciate it, but I understand that parents have to be able to do activities with their children, and that that requires them being able to leave the house with them from time to time. Mr P Montoya, If you don’t like dogs I feel truly sorry for you, for what a sad life you must lead. Dogs have been man’s best friend and guardian for hundreds, if not thousands of years. So many of us have these beloved animals by our sides because we love them like you love your children, you may not understand it, but you should respect it. The whole idea of public places is that anyone can use them, the beach is not your own private property, therefore I will not feel guilty for allowing my dog to exercise there, whether you feel it is at a detriment to your children or not.[/p][/quote]You must go around with your eyes closed for the streets, never mind the parklands of Wirral are covered in dog faeces so much for your analogy. Walk down Grange Mount, Grosvenor Road or Grange Road West daily it is being used as a dog's toilet by people who want all the fun of owning something cute & fluffy but none of the responsibilities of cleaning up after it. I love dogs, I just choose not to have one for I cannot reasonably devote the time to looking after one. Letting them run loose to in Parks or in Public has been demonstrated time and time again to be unacceptable. The Park by Sainsbury's at Prenton is nothing but a dog's toilet too. Despite protestations this isn't the odd incident. Our beaches will be much improved when the beach ban comes in. I too don't feel the letter writer is asking for the abolition of dogs no more than some of us would unruly children. Adults should be responsible for both dogs and children, neither have the right to run amok or wild in public areas. rover600
  • Score: 7

6:27pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Roidy203 says...

This is a subject which always causes mixed reactions! As a dog owner and mother I agree with both sides. I pick up after my two dogs and they're only ever let off the lead if safe to do so - they are not aggressive breeds at all but having had a child who was scared of dogs and that not everyone likes dogs, I make a point of ensuring they are on leads so they don't annoy or scare anyone. I also absolutely hate the amount of dog mess 'some' disrespectful owners leave behind and I think there should be on the spot fines for anyone doing it, I realise there is supposed to be but who is policing this?? I've never seen anyone enforcing it. I also agree with some comments about the behaviour of people (or children). I think in general there are a certain amount of people who have no respect for other people or our environment, I abhor litter louts as much as the dog mess culprits and if everyone took a little more care the Wirral (including the beaches) would be a far nicer place to spend time outdoors!
This is a subject which always causes mixed reactions! As a dog owner and mother I agree with both sides. I pick up after my two dogs and they're only ever let off the lead if safe to do so - they are not aggressive breeds at all but having had a child who was scared of dogs and that not everyone likes dogs, I make a point of ensuring they are on leads so they don't annoy or scare anyone. I also absolutely hate the amount of dog mess 'some' disrespectful owners leave behind and I think there should be on the spot fines for anyone doing it, I realise there is supposed to be but who is policing this?? I've never seen anyone enforcing it. I also agree with some comments about the behaviour of people (or children). I think in general there are a certain amount of people who have no respect for other people or our environment, I abhor litter louts as much as the dog mess culprits and if everyone took a little more care the Wirral (including the beaches) would be a far nicer place to spend time outdoors! Roidy203
  • Score: 13

6:49pm Mon 21 Jul 14

keen gardener says...

As a "responsible dog owner" may I comment please? I "pick up, control where my dog urinates and put on lead as appropriate - whether that be on the beach, parkland, woodland or other". It is not rocket science - just - "commonsense and regard for others" which seems to have disappeared, along with a lot of other regards, in this "modern society".
As a "responsible dog owner" may I comment please? I "pick up, control where my dog urinates and put on lead as appropriate - whether that be on the beach, parkland, woodland or other". It is not rocket science - just - "commonsense and regard for others" which seems to have disappeared, along with a lot of other regards, in this "modern society". keen gardener
  • Score: 15

9:34pm Mon 21 Jul 14

barrier36 says...

I no longer live in Birkenhead. When I visit friends there, I take te opportunity to walk around old haunts. Over tbe last few years I have noticed an increase in tbe amount of dog mess on the streets. I have also come across 'well to do' people in their 60s allowing their dog to defecate on grass verges without collecting the mess and disposing of it correctly. I have tried politely suggesting this be done but each time I have been subject to language worse than the dog mess! Whilst it is correct that the streets are full of cigarette tips and chewing gum, with the occasional fast food packet and can waste, they cannot be compared with the hazardous waste that dog mess is.

In any case, justifying wrong by citing examples of other wrongs is fatuous. If you are a responsible dog owner, great. Just admit that there are irresponsible owners as well and they are the target of this thread.

Hopefully, on my next trip I will find a less fouled town.
I no longer live in Birkenhead. When I visit friends there, I take te opportunity to walk around old haunts. Over tbe last few years I have noticed an increase in tbe amount of dog mess on the streets. I have also come across 'well to do' people in their 60s allowing their dog to defecate on grass verges without collecting the mess and disposing of it correctly. I have tried politely suggesting this be done but each time I have been subject to language worse than the dog mess! Whilst it is correct that the streets are full of cigarette tips and chewing gum, with the occasional fast food packet and can waste, they cannot be compared with the hazardous waste that dog mess is. In any case, justifying wrong by citing examples of other wrongs is fatuous. If you are a responsible dog owner, great. Just admit that there are irresponsible owners as well and they are the target of this thread. Hopefully, on my next trip I will find a less fouled town. barrier36
  • Score: 17

9:38pm Mon 21 Jul 14

yesandorno says...

i cant believe people are giving the humans leave more rubbish excuse.

if a child touches or gets a chip wrapper in the eye , it isnt going to blind it , give it worms or other diseases.

i say this not to excuse human littering but say that to compare the two as equal is stupidity in its highest and does nothing to help the image of dog owners.
i cant believe people are giving the humans leave more rubbish excuse. if a child touches or gets a chip wrapper in the eye , it isnt going to blind it , give it worms or other diseases. i say this not to excuse human littering but say that to compare the two as equal is stupidity in its highest and does nothing to help the image of dog owners. yesandorno
  • Score: 2

1:12am Tue 22 Jul 14

Venste says...

Promenades, beaches and parks cover 90% of places that dog owners walk their dogs. So where do you suggest that we exercise them? Dogs need exercise just as much as us and for most, not just a stroll on a lead. My dogs are full of energy and need a good run off the lead. I always pick up after both of them and they never bother anyone except for other dogs as they love to play.
I agree that there are owners that don't care about cleaning up after their dog which I also find disrespectful and agree that more needs to be done. But you can't assume that all dogs/owners are the same
Promenades, beaches and parks cover 90% of places that dog owners walk their dogs. So where do you suggest that we exercise them? Dogs need exercise just as much as us and for most, not just a stroll on a lead. My dogs are full of energy and need a good run off the lead. I always pick up after both of them and they never bother anyone except for other dogs as they love to play. I agree that there are owners that don't care about cleaning up after their dog which I also find disrespectful and agree that more needs to be done. But you can't assume that all dogs/owners are the same Venste
  • Score: 2

12:14pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Mr Bollo says...

If you can't control your ickle doggie properly (and i do mean PROPERLY) when it's off it's lead then you shouldn't let it off it's lead at all. I've been nearly knocked off my bike numerous times by uncontrolled dogs and get the usual platitudes about how it's only being friendly. Sorry, but I really don't care. If it knocks me off and injures me I will be seeking compensation. Not to mention the times I've ridden through dog turds.... not pleasant.

Perhaps we should have compulsory dog training courses along with licences, compulsory chipping etc. to allow proper control of dog ownership?
If you can't control your ickle doggie properly (and i do mean PROPERLY) when it's off it's lead then you shouldn't let it off it's lead at all. I've been nearly knocked off my bike numerous times by uncontrolled dogs and get the usual platitudes about how it's only being friendly. Sorry, but I really don't care. If it knocks me off and injures me I will be seeking compensation. Not to mention the times I've ridden through dog turds.... not pleasant. Perhaps we should have compulsory dog training courses along with licences, compulsory chipping etc. to allow proper control of dog ownership? Mr Bollo
  • Score: 9

12:53pm Tue 22 Jul 14

rover600 says...

Maybe dog owners should approach the council to have 'dog only' parks or fenced off areas of a park where they can let their dogs off leads and defecate everywhere and then they can Police their own who fail to clean up, outside of that it should be simple, a truly draconian fine for not cleaning up properly after pets and the safe and proper disposal of the plastic bags full of waste not as I saw once near Liverpool such a bag being lobbed into trees! I'd go further and go three strikes, get caught three times not cleaning up after your pet and you lose the dog and the right to own any kind of pet again.
Maybe dog owners should approach the council to have 'dog only' parks or fenced off areas of a park where they can let their dogs off leads and defecate everywhere and then they can Police their own who fail to clean up, outside of that it should be simple, a truly draconian fine for not cleaning up properly after pets and the safe and proper disposal of the plastic bags full of waste not as I saw once near Liverpool such a bag being lobbed into trees! I'd go further and go three strikes, get caught three times not cleaning up after your pet and you lose the dog and the right to own any kind of pet again. rover600
  • Score: 4

1:09pm Tue 22 Jul 14

littlestar84 says...

I am a multiple dog owner, and I love children. I have to say there are many dogs out of control, usually friendly, but the owners have no recall or common sense. The same can be said for parents, many of whom allow their kids to run riot leaving litter everywhere. Nobody should allow their dogs to run upto on-leash dogs, or people and children, you stay well away, especially at peak times. But this also goes for parents, please don't allow your child to come and scream in my 17 yr old dog's face, or kick my dogs, thanks.
I am a multiple dog owner, and I love children. I have to say there are many dogs out of control, usually friendly, but the owners have no recall or common sense. The same can be said for parents, many of whom allow their kids to run riot leaving litter everywhere. Nobody should allow their dogs to run upto on-leash dogs, or people and children, you stay well away, especially at peak times. But this also goes for parents, please don't allow your child to come and scream in my 17 yr old dog's face, or kick my dogs, thanks. littlestar84
  • Score: 7

4:46pm Tue 22 Jul 14

JohnON says...

Elegia wrote:
Have you seen the beaches after a busy day? Covered in litter left by humans, not dogs.
So, two wrongs make a right? How very odd!
[quote][p][bold]Elegia[/bold] wrote: Have you seen the beaches after a busy day? Covered in litter left by humans, not dogs.[/p][/quote]So, two wrongs make a right? How very odd! JohnON
  • Score: 3

5:30pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Westerly9 says...

Somehow other countries manage to make the most of their beaches as beautiful recreational spaces that draw in visitors and admirers.

Here they are mainly used a dog toilet.
Somehow other countries manage to make the most of their beaches as beautiful recreational spaces that draw in visitors and admirers. Here they are mainly used a dog toilet. Westerly9
  • Score: 8

8:36am Wed 23 Jul 14

katryn says...

Kboyd88 wrote:
Why must our four legged, furry companions be discriminated against?
As a dog owner and lover, it annoys me to no end to read such nonsense about Dogs being ‘Out of control’
I do not believe for a moment that Dogs are taking over public spaces, I walk my dog in numerous locations and whilst I always see someone else walking a dog as well, I would never describe a place as taken over by dogs.

To P Montoya, I ask you, where would you find acceptable for people to walk their dogs? We must exercise our canine friends and whenever we leave our houses to do so, we are walking them in PUBLIC.

Personally I don’t really like children that much and there are far more of them around than Dogs, and I have to walk amongst scores of them every day. They too are out of control ‘tearing around’ screaming, crying and just generally being bothersome. I don’t appreciate it, but I understand that parents have to be able to do activities with their children, and that that requires them being able to leave the house with them from time to time.

Mr P Montoya, If you don’t like dogs I feel truly sorry for you, for what a sad life you must lead. Dogs have been man’s best friend and guardian for hundreds, if not thousands of years. So many of us have these beloved animals by our sides because we love them like you love your children, you may not understand it, but you should respect it.

The whole idea of public places is that anyone can use them, the beach is not your own private property, therefore I will not feel guilty for allowing my dog to exercise there, whether you feel it is at a detriment to your children or not.
. The whole idea of public places is that anyone can use them




Yes public as in people.
[quote][p][bold]Kboyd88[/bold] wrote: Why must our four legged, furry companions be discriminated against? As a dog owner and lover, it annoys me to no end to read such nonsense about Dogs being ‘Out of control’ I do not believe for a moment that Dogs are taking over public spaces, I walk my dog in numerous locations and whilst I always see someone else walking a dog as well, I would never describe a place as taken over by dogs. To P Montoya, I ask you, where would you find acceptable for people to walk their dogs? We must exercise our canine friends and whenever we leave our houses to do so, we are walking them in PUBLIC. Personally I don’t really like children that much and there are far more of them around than Dogs, and I have to walk amongst scores of them every day. They too are out of control ‘tearing around’ screaming, crying and just generally being bothersome. I don’t appreciate it, but I understand that parents have to be able to do activities with their children, and that that requires them being able to leave the house with them from time to time. Mr P Montoya, If you don’t like dogs I feel truly sorry for you, for what a sad life you must lead. Dogs have been man’s best friend and guardian for hundreds, if not thousands of years. So many of us have these beloved animals by our sides because we love them like you love your children, you may not understand it, but you should respect it. The whole idea of public places is that anyone can use them, the beach is not your own private property, therefore I will not feel guilty for allowing my dog to exercise there, whether you feel it is at a detriment to your children or not.[/p][/quote]. The whole idea of public places is that anyone can use them Yes public as in people. katryn
  • Score: -7

11:04am Wed 23 Jul 14

Kboyd88 says...

rover600 wrote:
Kboyd88 wrote:
Why must our four legged, furry companions be discriminated against?
As a dog owner and lover, it annoys me to no end to read such nonsense about Dogs being ‘Out of control’
I do not believe for a moment that Dogs are taking over public spaces, I walk my dog in numerous locations and whilst I always see someone else walking a dog as well, I would never describe a place as taken over by dogs.

To P Montoya, I ask you, where would you find acceptable for people to walk their dogs? We must exercise our canine friends and whenever we leave our houses to do so, we are walking them in PUBLIC.

Personally I don’t really like children that much and there are far more of them around than Dogs, and I have to walk amongst scores of them every day. They too are out of control ‘tearing around’ screaming, crying and just generally being bothersome. I don’t appreciate it, but I understand that parents have to be able to do activities with their children, and that that requires them being able to leave the house with them from time to time.

Mr P Montoya, If you don’t like dogs I feel truly sorry for you, for what a sad life you must lead. Dogs have been man’s best friend and guardian for hundreds, if not thousands of years. So many of us have these beloved animals by our sides because we love them like you love your children, you may not understand it, but you should respect it.

The whole idea of public places is that anyone can use them, the beach is not your own private property, therefore I will not feel guilty for allowing my dog to exercise there, whether you feel it is at a detriment to your children or not.
You must go around with your eyes closed for the streets, never mind the parklands of Wirral are covered in dog faeces so much for your analogy. Walk down Grange Mount, Grosvenor Road or Grange Road West daily it is being used as a dog's toilet by people who want all the fun of owning something cute & fluffy but none of the responsibilities of cleaning up after it.

I love dogs, I just choose not to have one for I cannot reasonably devote the time to looking after one.

Letting them run loose to in Parks or in Public has been demonstrated time and time again to be unacceptable.

The Park by Sainsbury's at Prenton is nothing but a dog's toilet too. Despite protestations this isn't the odd incident.

Our beaches will be much improved when the beach ban comes in.

I too don't feel the letter writer is asking for the abolition of dogs no more than some of us would unruly children. Adults should be responsible for both dogs and children, neither have the right to run amok or wild in public areas.
Once again, people who do not pick up after their pets are to blame, not the dogs themselves. Its a people issue not a dog issue.
[quote][p][bold]rover600[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kboyd88[/bold] wrote: Why must our four legged, furry companions be discriminated against? As a dog owner and lover, it annoys me to no end to read such nonsense about Dogs being ‘Out of control’ I do not believe for a moment that Dogs are taking over public spaces, I walk my dog in numerous locations and whilst I always see someone else walking a dog as well, I would never describe a place as taken over by dogs. To P Montoya, I ask you, where would you find acceptable for people to walk their dogs? We must exercise our canine friends and whenever we leave our houses to do so, we are walking them in PUBLIC. Personally I don’t really like children that much and there are far more of them around than Dogs, and I have to walk amongst scores of them every day. They too are out of control ‘tearing around’ screaming, crying and just generally being bothersome. I don’t appreciate it, but I understand that parents have to be able to do activities with their children, and that that requires them being able to leave the house with them from time to time. Mr P Montoya, If you don’t like dogs I feel truly sorry for you, for what a sad life you must lead. Dogs have been man’s best friend and guardian for hundreds, if not thousands of years. So many of us have these beloved animals by our sides because we love them like you love your children, you may not understand it, but you should respect it. The whole idea of public places is that anyone can use them, the beach is not your own private property, therefore I will not feel guilty for allowing my dog to exercise there, whether you feel it is at a detriment to your children or not.[/p][/quote]You must go around with your eyes closed for the streets, never mind the parklands of Wirral are covered in dog faeces so much for your analogy. Walk down Grange Mount, Grosvenor Road or Grange Road West daily it is being used as a dog's toilet by people who want all the fun of owning something cute & fluffy but none of the responsibilities of cleaning up after it. I love dogs, I just choose not to have one for I cannot reasonably devote the time to looking after one. Letting them run loose to in Parks or in Public has been demonstrated time and time again to be unacceptable. The Park by Sainsbury's at Prenton is nothing but a dog's toilet too. Despite protestations this isn't the odd incident. Our beaches will be much improved when the beach ban comes in. I too don't feel the letter writer is asking for the abolition of dogs no more than some of us would unruly children. Adults should be responsible for both dogs and children, neither have the right to run amok or wild in public areas.[/p][/quote]Once again, people who do not pick up after their pets are to blame, not the dogs themselves. Its a people issue not a dog issue. Kboyd88
  • Score: 3

11:28am Wed 23 Jul 14

bobparso says...

dog owner..same old comments from both sides in four years being a dog owner.i have never failed to pick after my best friend, unlike humans who dump litter every were.even on their own doorsteps....
dog owner..same old comments from both sides in four years being a dog owner.i have never failed to pick after my best friend, unlike humans who dump litter every were.even on their own doorsteps.... bobparso
  • Score: -5

11:39am Wed 23 Jul 14

bobparso says...

dog owner..same old comments from both sides,i have never failed to clean up after my best friend . but some humans fail to pick up after them selves just go to the beach or any open space. so do not blame dogs, its the owners.i have never seen a dog light a barbecue or throw a beer can away enough said
dog owner..same old comments from both sides,i have never failed to clean up after my best friend . but some humans fail to pick up after them selves just go to the beach or any open space. so do not blame dogs, its the owners.i have never seen a dog light a barbecue or throw a beer can away enough said bobparso
  • Score: 0

1:47pm Wed 23 Jul 14

uncatom says...

The same old worn out argument from dog owners, humans make more mess, noisy children etc, so that makes it alright then ? my dog doesn't do this that or the other, grow up people accept responsibility, yes there are good dog owners, but I believe these are far outweighed by the bad ones, its not acceptable for dogs to run up to children (but he/she wont hurt you only playing) the child doesn't know that, so in public places keep your dog on a leash, its called being responsible.
The same old worn out argument from dog owners, humans make more mess, noisy children etc, so that makes it alright then ? my dog doesn't do this that or the other, grow up people accept responsibility, yes there are good dog owners, but I believe these are far outweighed by the bad ones, its not acceptable for dogs to run up to children (but he/she wont hurt you only playing) the child doesn't know that, so in public places keep your dog on a leash, its called being responsible. uncatom
  • Score: 1

4:46pm Wed 23 Jul 14

rover600 says...

And whilst this 'spat' goes on The Globe reports one dog savaged by another dog resulting in a massive vet's bill. All people are asking (I believe of dog owners) is act responsibly, keep your dog under control be that by being on a lead and or with a muzzle and clean up after it!.

I'm tired of reading post a dog attack that 'oh it was so out of character, my dog is lovely' etc... The harsh reality is Dogs are not human's they are a domesticated wild animal with built in instincts, no owner can be 100% certain that its dog will not turn from being the loving pet to the next being a hound from hell. With that uncertainty there is a serious need for control.
And whilst this 'spat' goes on The Globe reports one dog savaged by another dog resulting in a massive vet's bill. All people are asking (I believe of dog owners) is act responsibly, keep your dog under control be that by being on a lead and or with a muzzle and clean up after it!. I'm tired of reading post a dog attack that 'oh it was so out of character, my dog is lovely' etc... The harsh reality is Dogs are not human's they are a domesticated wild animal with built in instincts, no owner can be 100% certain that its dog will not turn from being the loving pet to the next being a hound from hell. With that uncertainty there is a serious need for control. rover600
  • Score: 9

1:15pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Roadkill says...

I feel the same about birds. They leave their unwelcome deposits all over my washing when I hang it out and the bonnet of my car is similarly patronised by these flying pests.

We should be able to police the skies and get these nuisances under control. And how about all those other animals that pee on the grass? Hedgehogs, mice, rats, ants, beetles, slugs and millipedes. Ooh, they make me mad, they really do!
I feel the same about birds. They leave their unwelcome deposits all over my washing when I hang it out and the bonnet of my car is similarly patronised by these flying pests. We should be able to police the skies and get these nuisances under control. And how about all those other animals that pee on the grass? Hedgehogs, mice, rats, ants, beetles, slugs and millipedes. Ooh, they make me mad, they really do! Roadkill
  • Score: -2

5:27pm Thu 24 Jul 14

rover600 says...

and lo and behold 24 hours later a woman is found dead at old swan death confirmed as a result of a dog attack........... Oh these oh so friendly cuddly harmless furry friends....
and lo and behold 24 hours later a woman is found dead at old swan death confirmed as a result of a dog attack........... Oh these oh so friendly cuddly harmless furry friends.... rover600
  • Score: 2

10:01pm Thu 24 Jul 14

reggie2707 says...

I am a multiple dog owner and I pick up after my dogs, but agree there are plenty that don't and after so many dogs died last year through the Parvo virus you would think that more dog owners would do the same, my dogs go off leash but only in a suitable areas, and yes I do take them to the beach, I have no kids and personally my dogs are not used to them and will do anything possible to avoid them, but as said above I hate if when the parents think its ok to let their children run and scream towards the dogs, where is the control then. Plus yes we have dog attacks, but how many people have been beat up, stabbed , raped, murdered by other humans, my dogs are better behaved than some who live in our society! so before you blame the dogs blame the owner who lets it happen and don't tarnish everyone with the same brush.
I am a multiple dog owner and I pick up after my dogs, but agree there are plenty that don't and after so many dogs died last year through the Parvo virus you would think that more dog owners would do the same, my dogs go off leash but only in a suitable areas, and yes I do take them to the beach, I have no kids and personally my dogs are not used to them and will do anything possible to avoid them, but as said above I hate if when the parents think its ok to let their children run and scream towards the dogs, where is the control then. Plus yes we have dog attacks, but how many people have been beat up, stabbed , raped, murdered by other humans, my dogs are better behaved than some who live in our society! so before you blame the dogs blame the owner who lets it happen and don't tarnish everyone with the same brush. reggie2707
  • Score: -3

10:35am Fri 25 Jul 14

Whitecap68 says...

I think that there is an argument on both sides here. As a dog owner with a bouncy young Golden Retriever, we often take him to the beach to run after his ball, dig and roll in the sand, This is good for him, it gives him much needed exercise.

It also annoys me to see the dog mess that is left lying around, especially when there are bins very close. The same can be said of the bone idle and lazy who leave rubbish everywhere. The point is, we have good and bad in society and that is the way it is. But what do we do? Punish everyone because we have irresponsible, disgusting people who just do not care?

My fluffy boy is a very social dog who loves running with other dogs and playing, wheich is why we take him to open areas that are populated with other dog owners. We have him trained and if we see a dog on the lead, we ask if it is ok he says hello. If not, he is restrained. We do not get it right every time and we apologise when we get it wrong. That is just the way it is. If you walk your dog and do not want other dogs approaching it, do not walk it in open areas where other dogs run free. Indeed, to not let a dog run and exercise is cruel in my eyes.

I just think some of this is down to personal gripes and likes / dislikes. Dogs, like us, are social creatures and they want to run with a pack by nature. There is nothing our dog likes more than to be chased and to play and we want to give him this freedom and often meet likewise minded other dog owners at pre-arranged times to allow him this freedom.

I guess what I am trying to say is, do not tar us all with the same brush. A personal choice and feeling does not make your decisions right ... just different. That is what makes the world go around. I personally do not like my neighbours choice of music, but so what. I also do not like the fact horses crap on the road at the top of my drive .. life is life. Get on with it and stop bloody complaining.
I think that there is an argument on both sides here. As a dog owner with a bouncy young Golden Retriever, we often take him to the beach to run after his ball, dig and roll in the sand, This is good for him, it gives him much needed exercise. It also annoys me to see the dog mess that is left lying around, especially when there are bins very close. The same can be said of the bone idle and lazy who leave rubbish everywhere. The point is, we have good and bad in society and that is the way it is. But what do we do? Punish everyone because we have irresponsible, disgusting people who just do not care? My fluffy boy is a very social dog who loves running with other dogs and playing, wheich is why we take him to open areas that are populated with other dog owners. We have him trained and if we see a dog on the lead, we ask if it is ok he says hello. If not, he is restrained. We do not get it right every time and we apologise when we get it wrong. That is just the way it is. If you walk your dog and do not want other dogs approaching it, do not walk it in open areas where other dogs run free. Indeed, to not let a dog run and exercise is cruel in my eyes. I just think some of this is down to personal gripes and likes / dislikes. Dogs, like us, are social creatures and they want to run with a pack by nature. There is nothing our dog likes more than to be chased and to play and we want to give him this freedom and often meet likewise minded other dog owners at pre-arranged times to allow him this freedom. I guess what I am trying to say is, do not tar us all with the same brush. A personal choice and feeling does not make your decisions right ... just different. That is what makes the world go around. I personally do not like my neighbours choice of music, but so what. I also do not like the fact horses crap on the road at the top of my drive .. life is life. Get on with it and stop bloody complaining. Whitecap68
  • Score: 1

10:44am Fri 25 Jul 14

uncatom says...

What a load of doggie do Reg,, Quote, I hate it when parents think its okay to let their children run and scream towards the dogs, do you honestly believe that parents allow this ? more likely the instruction is to stay away, in case they bite, again dog owners trying to defend the indefensible, you say you are a multiple dog owner and that you let your dogs of the leash, so how are you able to control multiple dogs running wild ?
What a load of doggie do Reg,, Quote, I hate it when parents think its okay to let their children run and scream towards the dogs, do you honestly believe that parents allow this ? more likely the instruction is to stay away, in case they bite, again dog owners trying to defend the indefensible, you say you are a multiple dog owner and that you let your dogs of the leash, so how are you able to control multiple dogs running wild ? uncatom
  • Score: -2

3:40pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Emmyj7 says...

rover600 wrote:
Maybe dog owners should approach the council to have 'dog only' parks or fenced off areas of a park where they can let their dogs off leads and defecate everywhere and then they can Police their own who fail to clean up, outside of that it should be simple, a truly draconian fine for not cleaning up properly after pets and the safe and proper disposal of the plastic bags full of waste not as I saw once near Liverpool such a bag being lobbed into trees! I'd go further and go three strikes, get caught three times not cleaning up after your pet and you lose the dog and the right to own any kind of pet again.
I love the idea of a dog only area, at the moment in several local parks we have areas fenced off with NO DOGS signs (usually the children's play area) and it seems madness to me that the humans have a small fraction of a massive park area where they can be safely assured of not coming into contact with dogs and/or their excretions and then dogs have the freedom of the rest of the park area. Surely it should be the other way round!!

I'd also like to ask why, when the argument of dog mess/dogs being a nuisance is bought up, do people always counter the argument with nasty comments about children? Do you honestly think dogs are comparable to the future generations of the human race?
[quote][p][bold]rover600[/bold] wrote: Maybe dog owners should approach the council to have 'dog only' parks or fenced off areas of a park where they can let their dogs off leads and defecate everywhere and then they can Police their own who fail to clean up, outside of that it should be simple, a truly draconian fine for not cleaning up properly after pets and the safe and proper disposal of the plastic bags full of waste not as I saw once near Liverpool such a bag being lobbed into trees! I'd go further and go three strikes, get caught three times not cleaning up after your pet and you lose the dog and the right to own any kind of pet again.[/p][/quote]I love the idea of a dog only area, at the moment in several local parks we have areas fenced off with NO DOGS signs (usually the children's play area) and it seems madness to me that the humans have a small fraction of a massive park area where they can be safely assured of not coming into contact with dogs and/or their excretions and then dogs have the freedom of the rest of the park area. Surely it should be the other way round!! I'd also like to ask why, when the argument of dog mess/dogs being a nuisance is bought up, do people always counter the argument with nasty comments about children? Do you honestly think dogs are comparable to the future generations of the human race? Emmyj7
  • Score: 2

8:31pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Billy_Briggins says...

People in France are far, far more tolerant of dogs than many in the UK. They are allowed in restaurants (well-behaved dogs), shops, anywhere! I do agree that some owners completely lose control and don't appear bothered if their dog agitates another dog, but that shouldn't mean that all dog owners and dogs should be bundled into the same basket. It's bad enough in the South West of England where there's hardly any beaches to walk your dog on, and yet they are left covered in LITTER at the end of the day. Of course dogs wee on the floor, but come on, don't sit near lampposts or bollards and you should be fine. Totally disagree with the animosity displayed towards dog owners when it is usually the minority who can't handle their animal.
People in France are far, far more tolerant of dogs than many in the UK. They are allowed in restaurants (well-behaved dogs), shops, anywhere! I do agree that some owners completely lose control and don't appear bothered if their dog agitates another dog, but that shouldn't mean that all dog owners and dogs should be bundled into the same basket. It's bad enough in the South West of England where there's hardly any beaches to walk your dog on, and yet they are left covered in LITTER at the end of the day. Of course dogs wee on the floor, but come on, don't sit near lampposts or bollards and you should be fine. Totally disagree with the animosity displayed towards dog owners when it is usually the minority who can't handle their animal. Billy_Briggins
  • Score: 3

8:38pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Billy_Briggins says...

Emmyj7 wrote:
rover600 wrote:
Maybe dog owners should approach the council to have 'dog only' parks or fenced off areas of a park where they can let their dogs off leads and defecate everywhere and then they can Police their own who fail to clean up, outside of that it should be simple, a truly draconian fine for not cleaning up properly after pets and the safe and proper disposal of the plastic bags full of waste not as I saw once near Liverpool such a bag being lobbed into trees! I'd go further and go three strikes, get caught three times not cleaning up after your pet and you lose the dog and the right to own any kind of pet again.
I love the idea of a dog only area, at the moment in several local parks we have areas fenced off with NO DOGS signs (usually the children's play area) and it seems madness to me that the humans have a small fraction of a massive park area where they can be safely assured of not coming into contact with dogs and/or their excretions and then dogs have the freedom of the rest of the park area. Surely it should be the other way round!!

I'd also like to ask why, when the argument of dog mess/dogs being a nuisance is bought up, do people always counter the argument with nasty comments about children? Do you honestly think dogs are comparable to the future generations of the human race?
But why should dog owners be forced into a smaller, fenced off area, when they're walking them calmly on a lead, cleaning up after them, and trying to enjoy a nice walk? Should they be punished for owning a dog by not being able to enjoy the full parkland/beach? I don't think so.
[quote][p][bold]Emmyj7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rover600[/bold] wrote: Maybe dog owners should approach the council to have 'dog only' parks or fenced off areas of a park where they can let their dogs off leads and defecate everywhere and then they can Police their own who fail to clean up, outside of that it should be simple, a truly draconian fine for not cleaning up properly after pets and the safe and proper disposal of the plastic bags full of waste not as I saw once near Liverpool such a bag being lobbed into trees! I'd go further and go three strikes, get caught three times not cleaning up after your pet and you lose the dog and the right to own any kind of pet again.[/p][/quote]I love the idea of a dog only area, at the moment in several local parks we have areas fenced off with NO DOGS signs (usually the children's play area) and it seems madness to me that the humans have a small fraction of a massive park area where they can be safely assured of not coming into contact with dogs and/or their excretions and then dogs have the freedom of the rest of the park area. Surely it should be the other way round!! I'd also like to ask why, when the argument of dog mess/dogs being a nuisance is bought up, do people always counter the argument with nasty comments about children? Do you honestly think dogs are comparable to the future generations of the human race?[/p][/quote]But why should dog owners be forced into a smaller, fenced off area, when they're walking them calmly on a lead, cleaning up after them, and trying to enjoy a nice walk? Should they be punished for owning a dog by not being able to enjoy the full parkland/beach? I don't think so. Billy_Briggins
  • Score: 1

7:38pm Sun 27 Jul 14

littlestar84 says...

The 'little darlings' brigade out in full force. Personally I am scared to walk in certain places due to the risk of being threatened/ mugged/ raped by teenage yobs than dogs. Someone's 'little cherubs' for sure.
The 'little darlings' brigade out in full force. Personally I am scared to walk in certain places due to the risk of being threatened/ mugged/ raped by teenage yobs than dogs. Someone's 'little cherubs' for sure. littlestar84
  • Score: 4

8:36am Mon 28 Jul 14

littlestar84 says...

Whitecap68 wrote:
I think that there is an argument on both sides here. As a dog owner with a bouncy young Golden Retriever, we often take him to the beach to run after his ball, dig and roll in the sand, This is good for him, it gives him much needed exercise.

It also annoys me to see the dog mess that is left lying around, especially when there are bins very close. The same can be said of the bone idle and lazy who leave rubbish everywhere. The point is, we have good and bad in society and that is the way it is. But what do we do? Punish everyone because we have irresponsible, disgusting people who just do not care?

My fluffy boy is a very social dog who loves running with other dogs and playing, wheich is why we take him to open areas that are populated with other dog owners. We have him trained and if we see a dog on the lead, we ask if it is ok he says hello. If not, he is restrained. We do not get it right every time and we apologise when we get it wrong. That is just the way it is. If you walk your dog and do not want other dogs approaching it, do not walk it in open areas where other dogs run free. Indeed, to not let a dog run and exercise is cruel in my eyes.

I just think some of this is down to personal gripes and likes / dislikes. Dogs, like us, are social creatures and they want to run with a pack by nature. There is nothing our dog likes more than to be chased and to play and we want to give him this freedom and often meet likewise minded other dog owners at pre-arranged times to allow him this freedom.

I guess what I am trying to say is, do not tar us all with the same brush. A personal choice and feeling does not make your decisions right ... just different. That is what makes the world go around. I personally do not like my neighbours choice of music, but so what. I also do not like the fact horses crap on the road at the top of my drive .. life is life. Get on with it and stop bloody complaining.
People who keep their dogs on lead do so for a variety of reasons, injury, illness, blind or deaf dogs, old age, fear, they don't like other dogs, they are in training etc etc, Please check out Yellow Dog campaign. They have every right to walk their dogs on the lad and not have 'bouncey' dogs bothering them.

I am a multiple dog owner, and mine are let off the lead where suitable (usually very early in morning or very late). They socialise with many dogs, we do 'group walks' with owners we have met over the years, and they also socialise with our friends' and family dogs. They do NOT like bouncy dogs, they find them terrifying. One of my dogs was nearly killed, and if we see a bouncey dog, she goes straight onto the lead else she will bolt. Sadly, too many owners completely ignore my body language (walking away from them) and the lead, and their dog just want to 'say hello'. Well socialised dogs do not run over to every dog they see.

All dogs should have instant recall or not be off the lead, a long line should be used for training until they have recall.

Most dogs DO need off lead exercise, but it must be controlled, not just dogs running wild. Mine came for an off lead run with me in Wales yesterday, great physical exercise and great mental exercise for them too staying close and not being distracted etc.
[quote][p][bold]Whitecap68[/bold] wrote: I think that there is an argument on both sides here. As a dog owner with a bouncy young Golden Retriever, we often take him to the beach to run after his ball, dig and roll in the sand, This is good for him, it gives him much needed exercise. It also annoys me to see the dog mess that is left lying around, especially when there are bins very close. The same can be said of the bone idle and lazy who leave rubbish everywhere. The point is, we have good and bad in society and that is the way it is. But what do we do? Punish everyone because we have irresponsible, disgusting people who just do not care? My fluffy boy is a very social dog who loves running with other dogs and playing, wheich is why we take him to open areas that are populated with other dog owners. We have him trained and if we see a dog on the lead, we ask if it is ok he says hello. If not, he is restrained. We do not get it right every time and we apologise when we get it wrong. That is just the way it is. If you walk your dog and do not want other dogs approaching it, do not walk it in open areas where other dogs run free. Indeed, to not let a dog run and exercise is cruel in my eyes. I just think some of this is down to personal gripes and likes / dislikes. Dogs, like us, are social creatures and they want to run with a pack by nature. There is nothing our dog likes more than to be chased and to play and we want to give him this freedom and often meet likewise minded other dog owners at pre-arranged times to allow him this freedom. I guess what I am trying to say is, do not tar us all with the same brush. A personal choice and feeling does not make your decisions right ... just different. That is what makes the world go around. I personally do not like my neighbours choice of music, but so what. I also do not like the fact horses crap on the road at the top of my drive .. life is life. Get on with it and stop bloody complaining.[/p][/quote]People who keep their dogs on lead do so for a variety of reasons, injury, illness, blind or deaf dogs, old age, fear, they don't like other dogs, they are in training etc etc, Please check out Yellow Dog campaign. They have every right to walk their dogs on the lad and not have 'bouncey' dogs bothering them. I am a multiple dog owner, and mine are let off the lead where suitable (usually very early in morning or very late). They socialise with many dogs, we do 'group walks' with owners we have met over the years, and they also socialise with our friends' and family dogs. They do NOT like bouncy dogs, they find them terrifying. One of my dogs was nearly killed, and if we see a bouncey dog, she goes straight onto the lead else she will bolt. Sadly, too many owners completely ignore my body language (walking away from them) and the lead, and their dog just want to 'say hello'. Well socialised dogs do not run over to every dog they see. All dogs should have instant recall or not be off the lead, a long line should be used for training until they have recall. Most dogs DO need off lead exercise, but it must be controlled, not just dogs running wild. Mine came for an off lead run with me in Wales yesterday, great physical exercise and great mental exercise for them too staying close and not being distracted etc. littlestar84
  • Score: 0

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