Public sector has it good

Public sector has it good

Public sector has it good

First published in Letters

PUBLIC sector workers, do you get:  Paid more than minimum wage? More than 20 days holiday plus paid bank holidays?

A final salary pension? Flexible working? Up to six months full and half pay for sickness?

If you can answer “yes” to all, or most, of these, then a one per cent pay rise isn’t a bad deal, especially compared to private sector workers or the unemployed.

You should definitely count yourselves lucky.

Lisa M Fisher, Birkenhead.

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10:55am Wed 9 Jul 14

smabo says...

With respect, Lisa, fair pay and reasonable terms and conditions are the least workers should respect regardless of where they are employed. If businesses do not have the ability to reward their staff in a reasonable fashion, they don't have a business.

Equally in the public sector, the least staff can expect is a fair pay and good conditions of service - it has been fought for over decades and, generally, earn it. They have had to accept a pay freeze over the last five years now, along with increasingly job insecurity and erosion of other conditions; we are told the economy is improving, so now is the time they're saying enough is enough. A 1% pay rise is massively under the rate of inflation once again, many local authority workers are now living in poverty as the cost of living has massively risen while pay has not. That's why they need our support tomorrow.
With respect, Lisa, fair pay and reasonable terms and conditions are the least workers should respect regardless of where they are employed. If businesses do not have the ability to reward their staff in a reasonable fashion, they don't have a business. Equally in the public sector, the least staff can expect is a fair pay and good conditions of service - it has been fought for over decades and, generally, earn it. They have had to accept a pay freeze over the last five years now, along with increasingly job insecurity and erosion of other conditions; we are told the economy is improving, so now is the time they're saying enough is enough. A 1% pay rise is massively under the rate of inflation once again, many local authority workers are now living in poverty as the cost of living has massively risen while pay has not. That's why they need our support tomorrow. smabo
  • Score: 27

11:18am Wed 9 Jul 14

Westerly9 says...

This is just silly. The pay and conditions of public sector workers are an absolute pittance and have been under attack for years now. This kind of Tory nonsense is just about racing us all to the bottom so they can extract more profit.

In any case, blowing out someone elses candle doesn't make yours shine any brighter.
This is just silly. The pay and conditions of public sector workers are an absolute pittance and have been under attack for years now. This kind of Tory nonsense is just about racing us all to the bottom so they can extract more profit. In any case, blowing out someone elses candle doesn't make yours shine any brighter. Westerly9
  • Score: 25

6:47pm Wed 9 Jul 14

uncatom says...

Have we been so influenced by Tory propaganda, that we have come to believe that we must be thankful for our lot, that we are lucky to have a job and be thankful we get the minimum wage, Trade unions have fought for years to get better terms and conditions for all, including those that don't belong to a Trade Union but are happy to take the rewards fought for by others, yet constantly snipe along the lines you should count yourselves lucky, the gains of yesterdays trade union members have been eroded by those who sit back and accept their lot, do they honestly think that this odious government care about them, their only aim is to privatise to rake in money for themselves and their backers in big industry, remember the big lie, the minimum wage will ruin industry, incidentally Lisa, the wages in the private sector are higher, don't believe the Condems propaganda, that its all the fault of the unemployed and the trade unions for being greedy, they spend more on a bottle of wine than some earn for a weeks wage.
Have we been so influenced by Tory propaganda, that we have come to believe that we must be thankful for our lot, that we are lucky to have a job and be thankful we get the minimum wage, Trade unions have fought for years to get better terms and conditions for all, including those that don't belong to a Trade Union but are happy to take the rewards fought for by others, yet constantly snipe along the lines you should count yourselves lucky, the gains of yesterdays trade union members have been eroded by those who sit back and accept their lot, do they honestly think that this odious government care about them, their only aim is to privatise to rake in money for themselves and their backers in big industry, remember the big lie, the minimum wage will ruin industry, incidentally Lisa, the wages in the private sector are higher, don't believe the Condems propaganda, that its all the fault of the unemployed and the trade unions for being greedy, they spend more on a bottle of wine than some earn for a weeks wage. uncatom
  • Score: 18

12:01am Thu 10 Jul 14

pcs1980 says...

I take it you fully support the strike then Lisa?
People cannot surely be as neive as you?
You honestly belive Firefighters, teachers, civil servants, passport office workers and other public sector staff, workers in local government, healthcare, colleges and schools, workers who serve school meals, clean streets, empty bins, carers and school support workers, local government staff, council workers and teaching staff, have not been treated that bad?

Years of frozen pay, mass redundancies, morale at an all time low , I'm surprised they haven't been on more strikes.
I'm behind these people all the way,.
I take it you fully support the strike then Lisa? People cannot surely be as neive as you? You honestly belive Firefighters, teachers, civil servants, passport office workers and other public sector staff, workers in local government, healthcare, colleges and schools, workers who serve school meals, clean streets, empty bins, carers and school support workers, local government staff, council workers and teaching staff, have not been treated that bad? Years of frozen pay, mass redundancies, morale at an all time low , I'm surprised they haven't been on more strikes. I'm behind these people all the way,. pcs1980
  • Score: 15

8:29am Thu 10 Jul 14

Roadkill says...

Well said everyone in response to Lisa Fisher's silly remarks. I think it's rather telling that she's not come back with any further nonsense. Proof, if it were needed, that her little missive was a crude attempt at a wind-up and not some serious, well-thought out argument.

Cameron and his lot have wasted little time in victimising the unions, making it increasingly harder for Union stewards to do their job - ie representing the members who pay for their services - and they show no signs of letting up. A worker's right to down tools should be defended to the hilt. When the employer won't come to the table to negotiate, what choice does the employee have?

Support the strike!
Well said everyone in response to Lisa Fisher's silly remarks. I think it's rather telling that she's not come back with any further nonsense. Proof, if it were needed, that her little missive was a crude attempt at a wind-up and not some serious, well-thought out argument. Cameron and his lot have wasted little time in victimising the unions, making it increasingly harder for Union stewards to do their job - ie representing the members who pay for their services - and they show no signs of letting up. A worker's right to down tools should be defended to the hilt. When the employer won't come to the table to negotiate, what choice does the employee have? Support the strike! Roadkill
  • Score: 10

10:50am Thu 10 Jul 14

robocoupe says...

Against!
Against! robocoupe
  • Score: -1

11:30am Thu 10 Jul 14

robocoupe says...

For as long as I can remember public sector workers have opted to strike, even when they were offered golden pensions and wage increases were decent, so why did strike action take place then? Teachers cry about doing long hours staying late to mark books, take action after school and stop impacting the public with your 9-5 protest. Firefighters should equally have more respect for the public, many workers have to work in physically demanding jobs after the age of 55 but continue to do so under duress of a pay freeze. A flash poll shows 41% of the public are against strike action versus 40% for.
For as long as I can remember public sector workers have opted to strike, even when they were offered golden pensions and wage increases were decent, so why did strike action take place then? Teachers cry about doing long hours staying late to mark books, take action after school and stop impacting the public with your 9-5 protest. Firefighters should equally have more respect for the public, many workers have to work in physically demanding jobs after the age of 55 but continue to do so under duress of a pay freeze. A flash poll shows 41% of the public are against strike action versus 40% for. robocoupe
  • Score: -16

3:07pm Thu 10 Jul 14

hobroW says...

The fault lies with the Managers, those Napoleons who have come out with the Orwellian formula of "Some are more equal than others". Evidence suggests that this band of workers in local government are not only paid well, but have got away with mismanagement and when uncovered are often paid in excess of £100k to go away and be silent,

The fauly lkies noit in ourselves but in the (so-called super) "stars"
The fault lies with the Managers, those Napoleons who have come out with the Orwellian formula of "Some are more equal than others". Evidence suggests that this band of workers in local government are not only paid well, but have got away with mismanagement and when uncovered are often paid in excess of £100k to go away and be silent, The fauly lkies noit in ourselves but in the (so-called super) "stars" hobroW
  • Score: -6

5:55pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Joeblogg85 says...

5 years without a single penny pay rise whilst MP's get 6%. Let's all be grateful there are Food Banks to turn to!
5 years without a single penny pay rise whilst MP's get 6%. Let's all be grateful there are Food Banks to turn to! Joeblogg85
  • Score: 10

7:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Dantealighieri says...

Roadkill- ".............in response to Lisa Fisher's silly remark. I think it's rather telling that she's not come back with any further nonesense". Quite a few people are still waiting for you to come back with a response to the criticism of your offensive comments on the lady who miscarried after being abused on a West Kirby beach.
Roadkill- ".............in response to Lisa Fisher's silly remark. I think it's rather telling that she's not come back with any further nonesense". Quite a few people are still waiting for you to come back with a response to the criticism of your offensive comments on the lady who miscarried after being abused on a West Kirby beach. Dantealighieri
  • Score: 4

9:06pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Hugo1008 says...

Lets just put aside all the wrangling about Public Sector Pay and Conditions versus Private Sector equivalents. There is no doubt that Council Employees have been reduced in substantial numbers, there is no doubt the Essential Services supplied by the Public Sector have been reduced or even scrapped.

But why have we not seen any reduction in the total cost of Wirral Borough Council in financial terms, and no reduction in the total number of Wirral Councilors, we still have the substantial number of 66 Councilors, very expensive 66 Councilors.
And as soon as one pops their clogs they are replaced within a matter of weeks if not days.
Added to that the top level of Employed Management level may be reduced in numbers but costs much the same in Pay, Pensions, and Expenses as they ever did.

Any savings or reduction in costs have all been born on the backs of the lowest paid level of employees in the entire organization, and do not be fooled by the claim from the Labour Administration that this has been caused by the Coalition National Government.
Not once have the Government dictated the decisions to close or reduce anything, every single decision made to date has been made by the Labour Controlled Cabinet within the Council and rubber stamped by the rest of the parasites who sit in the Wallasey Town Hall.
Less than a dozen elected Councilors have dictated each and every single act of pure vandalism with the rate and tax payed public here on the Wirral peninsular footing the bill.
Lets just put aside all the wrangling about Public Sector Pay and Conditions versus Private Sector equivalents. There is no doubt that Council Employees have been reduced in substantial numbers, there is no doubt the Essential Services supplied by the Public Sector have been reduced or even scrapped. But why have we not seen any reduction in the total cost of Wirral Borough Council in financial terms, and no reduction in the total number of Wirral Councilors, we still have the substantial number of 66 Councilors, very expensive 66 Councilors. And as soon as one pops their clogs they are replaced within a matter of weeks if not days. Added to that the top level of Employed Management level may be reduced in numbers but costs much the same in Pay, Pensions, and Expenses as they ever did. Any savings or reduction in costs have all been born on the backs of the lowest paid level of employees in the entire organization, and do not be fooled by the claim from the Labour Administration that this has been caused by the Coalition National Government. Not once have the Government dictated the decisions to close or reduce anything, every single decision made to date has been made by the Labour Controlled Cabinet within the Council and rubber stamped by the rest of the parasites who sit in the Wallasey Town Hall. Less than a dozen elected Councilors have dictated each and every single act of pure vandalism with the rate and tax payed public here on the Wirral peninsular footing the bill. Hugo1008
  • Score: 7

9:00am Fri 11 Jul 14

robocoupe says...

Across all unions that took action yesterday, there was a paltry 35% average turnout voting in those ballots, that stinks of apathy! The public are less supportive of public sector worker strikes than ever before.
Across all unions that took action yesterday, there was a paltry 35% average turnout voting in those ballots, that stinks of apathy! The public are less supportive of public sector worker strikes than ever before. robocoupe
  • Score: -2

10:35am Fri 11 Jul 14

uncatom says...

robocoupe wrote:
Across all unions that took action yesterday, there was a paltry 35% average turnout voting in those ballots, that stinks of apathy! The public are less supportive of public sector worker strikes than ever before.
Let me think, what percentage of the electorate voted for this government and its MP's ? and the leader of this odious bunch that had to be put in power with the help of the also ran party has the nerve to lecture unions, I believe the Tories allegedly took lessons from General Pinochet on how to run a democracy when he stayed with Mrs T.
[quote][p][bold]robocoupe[/bold] wrote: Across all unions that took action yesterday, there was a paltry 35% average turnout voting in those ballots, that stinks of apathy! The public are less supportive of public sector worker strikes than ever before.[/p][/quote]Let me think, what percentage of the electorate voted for this government and its MP's ? and the leader of this odious bunch that had to be put in power with the help of the also ran party has the nerve to lecture unions, I believe the Tories allegedly took lessons from General Pinochet on how to run a democracy when he stayed with Mrs T. uncatom
  • Score: 6

9:10am Sat 12 Jul 14

hobroW says...

Hugo is speaking a truth that needs to be repeated.

In Orwell's farmyard little changes, nay gets worse, for the animals who are not pigs.

The pigs are draped in the flags of solidarity but come up with the formula

"SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS"
Hugo is speaking a truth that needs to be repeated. In Orwell's farmyard little changes, nay gets worse, for the animals who are not pigs. The pigs are draped in the flags of solidarity but come up with the formula "SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS" hobroW
  • Score: -1

4:45pm Sat 12 Jul 14

pooboy says...

AGREE WITH ALL THE POINTS MADE LISA!

WELL SAID!
AGREE WITH ALL THE POINTS MADE LISA! WELL SAID! pooboy
  • Score: -17

1:38pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Molly Dolly says...

OMG don't get me wrong here, I spent years unemployed and know how hard it is. However small the amount, the unemployed do get a rise every year. I Now work for the council and even with a 5 year pay freeze I still pay towards the unemployed getting a rise every year. Yes I get more than the minimum wage and don't claim any benefits, but after paying rent, council tax, utility bills and anything else that I need to pay just to live, (this amount goes up every year) I don't have anything left. On a final note I voted not to strike, and I didn't I crossed the picket line.
OMG don't get me wrong here, I spent years unemployed and know how hard it is. However small the amount, the unemployed do get a rise every year. I Now work for the council and even with a 5 year pay freeze I still pay towards the unemployed getting a rise every year. Yes I get more than the minimum wage and don't claim any benefits, but after paying rent, council tax, utility bills and anything else that I need to pay just to live, (this amount goes up every year) I don't have anything left. On a final note I voted not to strike, and I didn't I crossed the picket line. Molly Dolly
  • Score: -3

6:17pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Joeblogg85 says...

Molly Dolly wrote:
OMG don't get me wrong here, I spent years unemployed and know how hard it is. However small the amount, the unemployed do get a rise every year. I Now work for the council and even with a 5 year pay freeze I still pay towards the unemployed getting a rise every year. Yes I get more than the minimum wage and don't claim any benefits, but after paying rent, council tax, utility bills and anything else that I need to pay just to live, (this amount goes up every year) I don't have anything left. On a final note I voted not to strike, and I didn't I crossed the picket line.
Hello Dolly!!!

Well said. I totally agree. Having a pay freeze is akin to having a pay cut in real terms as everything has gone up with inflation yet the wage as remained the same.

For some reason some people think just because you work for the council then you must be earning great money. That is just not the case at all unless your a senior officer.

I believe everyone deserves a proper pay increase that keeps up with inflation and that includes benefit recipients.
[quote][p][bold]Molly Dolly[/bold] wrote: OMG don't get me wrong here, I spent years unemployed and know how hard it is. However small the amount, the unemployed do get a rise every year. I Now work for the council and even with a 5 year pay freeze I still pay towards the unemployed getting a rise every year. Yes I get more than the minimum wage and don't claim any benefits, but after paying rent, council tax, utility bills and anything else that I need to pay just to live, (this amount goes up every year) I don't have anything left. On a final note I voted not to strike, and I didn't I crossed the picket line.[/p][/quote]Hello Dolly!!! Well said. I totally agree. Having a pay freeze is akin to having a pay cut in real terms as everything has gone up with inflation yet the wage as remained the same. For some reason some people think just because you work for the council then you must be earning great money. That is just not the case at all unless your a senior officer. I believe everyone deserves a proper pay increase that keeps up with inflation and that includes benefit recipients. Joeblogg85
  • Score: 5

8:09am Mon 14 Jul 14

ste304 says...

I agree with all the above has nobody mentioned the 4 days unpaid leave we have been gifted with.It personally costs me £24 per month deducted from my wage packet any 1% pay rise will not make up for that loss.
I agree with all the above has nobody mentioned the 4 days unpaid leave we have been gifted with.It personally costs me £24 per month deducted from my wage packet any 1% pay rise will not make up for that loss. ste304
  • Score: 5

12:16pm Mon 14 Jul 14

TheAngryDuck says...

Lets face it the council is corrupt Burgess and his cronies know exactly what they are doing and their well laid plans to privatise wirral council is well under way unfortunately Unison is just as corrupt and they know exactly whats going on and are in Mr Burgess pocket. If they had any guts at all they would strike for a week or more not a pathetic day which achieves nothing more than taking more money of the low paid public sector workers who bless them actually think Unison is on their side. Where does all the money go thats collected from union fees each month??? Not back to the workers when they go on strike but to those highly paid fat union bosses who are laughing all the way to the bank corrupt corrupt corrupt!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets face it the council is corrupt Burgess and his cronies know exactly what they are doing and their well laid plans to privatise wirral council is well under way unfortunately Unison is just as corrupt and they know exactly whats going on and are in Mr Burgess pocket. If they had any guts at all they would strike for a week or more not a pathetic day which achieves nothing more than taking more money of the low paid public sector workers who bless them actually think Unison is on their side. Where does all the money go thats collected from union fees each month??? Not back to the workers when they go on strike but to those highly paid fat union bosses who are laughing all the way to the bank corrupt corrupt corrupt!!!!!!!!!!! TheAngryDuck
  • Score: 2

12:37pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Joeblogg85 says...

ste304 wrote:
I agree with all the above has nobody mentioned the 4 days unpaid leave we have been gifted with.It personally costs me £24 per month deducted from my wage packet any 1% pay rise will not make up for that loss.
Great point. Council staff have to take four days unpaid leave over Christmas. To pay for this then monthly pay is deducted. This results in further reductions in terms and conditions.
[quote][p][bold]ste304[/bold] wrote: I agree with all the above has nobody mentioned the 4 days unpaid leave we have been gifted with.It personally costs me £24 per month deducted from my wage packet any 1% pay rise will not make up for that loss.[/p][/quote]Great point. Council staff have to take four days unpaid leave over Christmas. To pay for this then monthly pay is deducted. This results in further reductions in terms and conditions. Joeblogg85
  • Score: 5

12:38pm Mon 14 Jul 14

ste304 says...

Hugo1008 wrote:
Lets just put aside all the wrangling about Public Sector Pay and Conditions versus Private Sector equivalents. There is no doubt that Council Employees have been reduced in substantial numbers, there is no doubt the Essential Services supplied by the Public Sector have been reduced or even scrapped.

But why have we not seen any reduction in the total cost of Wirral Borough Council in financial terms, and no reduction in the total number of Wirral Councilors, we still have the substantial number of 66 Councilors, very expensive 66 Councilors.
And as soon as one pops their clogs they are replaced within a matter of weeks if not days.
Added to that the top level of Employed Management level may be reduced in numbers but costs much the same in Pay, Pensions, and Expenses as they ever did.

Any savings or reduction in costs have all been born on the backs of the lowest paid level of employees in the entire organization, and do not be fooled by the claim from the Labour Administration that this has been caused by the Coalition National Government.
Not once have the Government dictated the decisions to close or reduce anything, every single decision made to date has been made by the Labour Controlled Cabinet within the Council and rubber stamped by the rest of the parasites who sit in the Wallasey Town Hall.
Less than a dozen elected Councilors have dictated each and every single act of pure vandalism with the rate and tax payed public here on the Wirral peninsular footing the bill.
Turkeys don't vote for Christmas!
[quote][p][bold]Hugo1008[/bold] wrote: Lets just put aside all the wrangling about Public Sector Pay and Conditions versus Private Sector equivalents. There is no doubt that Council Employees have been reduced in substantial numbers, there is no doubt the Essential Services supplied by the Public Sector have been reduced or even scrapped. But why have we not seen any reduction in the total cost of Wirral Borough Council in financial terms, and no reduction in the total number of Wirral Councilors, we still have the substantial number of 66 Councilors, very expensive 66 Councilors. And as soon as one pops their clogs they are replaced within a matter of weeks if not days. Added to that the top level of Employed Management level may be reduced in numbers but costs much the same in Pay, Pensions, and Expenses as they ever did. Any savings or reduction in costs have all been born on the backs of the lowest paid level of employees in the entire organization, and do not be fooled by the claim from the Labour Administration that this has been caused by the Coalition National Government. Not once have the Government dictated the decisions to close or reduce anything, every single decision made to date has been made by the Labour Controlled Cabinet within the Council and rubber stamped by the rest of the parasites who sit in the Wallasey Town Hall. Less than a dozen elected Councilors have dictated each and every single act of pure vandalism with the rate and tax payed public here on the Wirral peninsular footing the bill.[/p][/quote]Turkeys don't vote for Christmas! ste304
  • Score: 2

9:23pm Mon 14 Jul 14

PaulCa says...

Anagram of Lisa Fisher:

SELFISH AIR
Anagram of Lisa Fisher: SELFISH AIR PaulCa
  • Score: 1

10:24pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Molly Dolly says...

Strike for 1 day or 7 days, the only winner is the council, they save thousands in wages. They have already been given our pay rise in the government budget but it is their decision whether they pass it on to staff or not. Where's the fairness in that, and were supposed to be grateful.
Strike for 1 day or 7 days, the only winner is the council, they save thousands in wages. They have already been given our pay rise in the government budget but it is their decision whether they pass it on to staff or not. Where's the fairness in that, and were supposed to be grateful. Molly Dolly
  • Score: 5

10:24pm Mon 14 Jul 14

PaulCa says...

Dear hardworking Wirral Council employees,

Your CEO, who left a senior post at UNISON for an eventual role in local government management, would kindly request your LOYALTY during these difficult times.

It doesn't cost anything to show allegiance to the organisation you must be so proud to work for. And that's why your CEO felt very honoured to accept a full-time post, EVEN during the 2 year trial period he'd initially signed up for, along with the associated bumper pay rise. There's no denying, this organisation is and always has been proud to offer generous rewards to its best people.

What could be more loving, inclusive and mutually robust than that?

Now shut up, take the pay rises (pay cuts adjusted for inflation) with good grace, stand in line and do your best to help us get rid of you one by one.

Always be LOYAL to your masters and be prepared to DO ONE in the public interest, sign a compromise agreement and agree to a gagging clause when the time comes.

Sealed
With
A
Loving
Kiss,

Management.
Dear hardworking Wirral Council employees, Your CEO, who left a senior post at UNISON for an eventual role in local government management, would kindly request your LOYALTY during these difficult times. It doesn't cost anything to show allegiance to the organisation you must be so proud to work for. And that's why your CEO felt very honoured to accept a full-time post, EVEN during the 2 year trial period he'd initially signed up for, along with the associated bumper pay rise. There's no denying, this organisation is and always has been proud to offer generous rewards to its best people. What could be more loving, inclusive and mutually robust than that? Now shut up, take the pay rises (pay cuts adjusted for inflation) with good grace, stand in line and do your best to help us get rid of you one by one. Always be LOYAL to your masters and be prepared to DO ONE in the public interest, sign a compromise agreement and agree to a gagging clause when the time comes. Sealed With A Loving Kiss, Management. PaulCa
  • Score: 2

12:24pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Roadkill says...

Dantealighieri wrote:
Roadkill- ".............i
n response to Lisa Fisher's silly remark. I think it's rather telling that she's not come back with any further nonesense". Quite a few people are still waiting for you to come back with a response to the criticism of your offensive comments on the lady who miscarried after being abused on a West Kirby beach.
Are they indeed? I fail to see the relevance to what's being discussed here.

And I stand by every comment I make so here so those "quite a few people" are going to be waiting for quite a while. Perhaps they should move on and get a life?
[quote][p][bold]Dantealighieri [/bold] wrote: Roadkill- ".............i n response to Lisa Fisher's silly remark. I think it's rather telling that she's not come back with any further nonesense". Quite a few people are still waiting for you to come back with a response to the criticism of your offensive comments on the lady who miscarried after being abused on a West Kirby beach.[/p][/quote]Are they indeed? I fail to see the relevance to what's being discussed here. And I stand by every comment I make so here so those "quite a few people" are going to be waiting for quite a while. Perhaps they should move on and get a life? Roadkill
  • Score: 1

12:26pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Roadkill says...

robocoupe wrote:
Across all unions that took action yesterday, there was a paltry 35% average turnout voting in those ballots, that stinks of apathy! The public are less supportive of public sector worker strikes than ever before.
It's called democracy. Union members can choose not to vote if they don't want to. What's more important is that those members stand by the decision of their union to strike, rather than cross the line and scab.

How many people voted in the last election? Indeed, how many of the electorate vote in any election?
[quote][p][bold]robocoupe[/bold] wrote: Across all unions that took action yesterday, there was a paltry 35% average turnout voting in those ballots, that stinks of apathy! The public are less supportive of public sector worker strikes than ever before.[/p][/quote]It's called democracy. Union members can choose not to vote if they don't want to. What's more important is that those members stand by the decision of their union to strike, rather than cross the line and scab. How many people voted in the last election? Indeed, how many of the electorate vote in any election? Roadkill
  • Score: 1

12:49pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Roadkill says...

Molly Dolly wrote:
OMG don't get me wrong here, I spent years unemployed and know how hard it is. However small the amount, the unemployed do get a rise every year. I Now work for the council and even with a 5 year pay freeze I still pay towards the unemployed getting a rise every year. Yes I get more than the minimum wage and don't claim any benefits, but after paying rent, council tax, utility bills and anything else that I need to pay just to live, (this amount goes up every year) I don't have anything left. On a final note I voted not to strike, and I didn't I crossed the picket line.
I do wonder about these scabs who continue to enjoy the services of their union even though they disobey the directive to take industrial action. You've got Thatcher to thank for that. Before the miners' strike you'd have been expelled from the union. Quite rightly, too.

Would strike-breakers go on strike if their union voted against such action, just because they personally voted for it?
[quote][p][bold]Molly Dolly[/bold] wrote: OMG don't get me wrong here, I spent years unemployed and know how hard it is. However small the amount, the unemployed do get a rise every year. I Now work for the council and even with a 5 year pay freeze I still pay towards the unemployed getting a rise every year. Yes I get more than the minimum wage and don't claim any benefits, but after paying rent, council tax, utility bills and anything else that I need to pay just to live, (this amount goes up every year) I don't have anything left. On a final note I voted not to strike, and I didn't I crossed the picket line.[/p][/quote]I do wonder about these scabs who continue to enjoy the services of their union even though they disobey the directive to take industrial action. You've got Thatcher to thank for that. Before the miners' strike you'd have been expelled from the union. Quite rightly, too. Would strike-breakers go on strike if their union voted against such action, just because they personally voted for it? Roadkill
  • Score: 2

2:09pm Tue 15 Jul 14

robocoupe says...

Roadkill wrote:
robocoupe wrote:
Across all unions that took action yesterday, there was a paltry 35% average turnout voting in those ballots, that stinks of apathy! The public are less supportive of public sector worker strikes than ever before.
It's called democracy. Union members can choose not to vote if they don't want to. What's more important is that those members stand by the decision of their union to strike, rather than cross the line and scab.

How many people voted in the last election? Indeed, how many of the electorate vote in any election?
Quite right! If union members choose not to vote, then they choose not to strike! How many non voters took action last week?
[quote][p][bold]Roadkill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]robocoupe[/bold] wrote: Across all unions that took action yesterday, there was a paltry 35% average turnout voting in those ballots, that stinks of apathy! The public are less supportive of public sector worker strikes than ever before.[/p][/quote]It's called democracy. Union members can choose not to vote if they don't want to. What's more important is that those members stand by the decision of their union to strike, rather than cross the line and scab. How many people voted in the last election? Indeed, how many of the electorate vote in any election?[/p][/quote]Quite right! If union members choose not to vote, then they choose not to strike! How many non voters took action last week? robocoupe
  • Score: 0

2:38pm Tue 15 Jul 14

robocoupe says...

Joeblogg85 wrote:
ste304 wrote:
I agree with all the above has nobody mentioned the 4 days unpaid leave we have been gifted with.It personally costs me £24 per month deducted from my wage packet any 1% pay rise will not make up for that loss.
Great point. Council staff have to take four days unpaid leave over Christmas. To pay for this then monthly pay is deducted. This results in further reductions in terms and conditions.
Negotiate to take 4 days less from your annual leave. I would love 4 days off at Christmas.
[quote][p][bold]Joeblogg85[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ste304[/bold] wrote: I agree with all the above has nobody mentioned the 4 days unpaid leave we have been gifted with.It personally costs me £24 per month deducted from my wage packet any 1% pay rise will not make up for that loss.[/p][/quote]Great point. Council staff have to take four days unpaid leave over Christmas. To pay for this then monthly pay is deducted. This results in further reductions in terms and conditions.[/p][/quote]Negotiate to take 4 days less from your annual leave. I would love 4 days off at Christmas. robocoupe
  • Score: 1

12:38am Wed 16 Jul 14

Molly Dolly says...

Roadkill wrote:
Molly Dolly wrote:
OMG don't get me wrong here, I spent years unemployed and know how hard it is. However small the amount, the unemployed do get a rise every year. I Now work for the council and even with a 5 year pay freeze I still pay towards the unemployed getting a rise every year. Yes I get more than the minimum wage and don't claim any benefits, but after paying rent, council tax, utility bills and anything else that I need to pay just to live, (this amount goes up every year) I don't have anything left. On a final note I voted not to strike, and I didn't I crossed the picket line.
I do wonder about these scabs who continue to enjoy the services of their union even though they disobey the directive to take industrial action. You've got Thatcher to thank for that. Before the miners' strike you'd have been expelled from the union. Quite rightly, too.

Would strike-breakers go on strike if their union voted against such action, just because they personally voted for it?
Excuse me but disobey and expelled, what are we naughty school children. I PAY for union services and if I don't agree with strike action It Is my right not to go on strike. Just a thought but If you had a group of friends who voted to walk in front of a train, take drugs or set fire to their hair, would that mean you had to do It, If you were out voted. Or as an adult would you have the right to make your own decisions.
[quote][p][bold]Roadkill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Molly Dolly[/bold] wrote: OMG don't get me wrong here, I spent years unemployed and know how hard it is. However small the amount, the unemployed do get a rise every year. I Now work for the council and even with a 5 year pay freeze I still pay towards the unemployed getting a rise every year. Yes I get more than the minimum wage and don't claim any benefits, but after paying rent, council tax, utility bills and anything else that I need to pay just to live, (this amount goes up every year) I don't have anything left. On a final note I voted not to strike, and I didn't I crossed the picket line.[/p][/quote]I do wonder about these scabs who continue to enjoy the services of their union even though they disobey the directive to take industrial action. You've got Thatcher to thank for that. Before the miners' strike you'd have been expelled from the union. Quite rightly, too. Would strike-breakers go on strike if their union voted against such action, just because they personally voted for it?[/p][/quote]Excuse me but disobey and expelled, what are we naughty school children. I PAY for union services and if I don't agree with strike action It Is my right not to go on strike. Just a thought but If you had a group of friends who voted to walk in front of a train, take drugs or set fire to their hair, would that mean you had to do It, If you were out voted. Or as an adult would you have the right to make your own decisions. Molly Dolly
  • Score: 1

7:38am Wed 16 Jul 14

uncatom says...

Molly Dolly wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Molly Dolly wrote:
OMG don't get me wrong here, I spent years unemployed and know how hard it is. However small the amount, the unemployed do get a rise every year. I Now work for the council and even with a 5 year pay freeze I still pay towards the unemployed getting a rise every year. Yes I get more than the minimum wage and don't claim any benefits, but after paying rent, council tax, utility bills and anything else that I need to pay just to live, (this amount goes up every year) I don't have anything left. On a final note I voted not to strike, and I didn't I crossed the picket line.
I do wonder about these scabs who continue to enjoy the services of their union even though they disobey the directive to take industrial action. You've got Thatcher to thank for that. Before the miners' strike you'd have been expelled from the union. Quite rightly, too.

Would strike-breakers go on strike if their union voted against such action, just because they personally voted for it?
Excuse me but disobey and expelled, what are we naughty school children. I PAY for union services and if I don't agree with strike action It Is my right not to go on strike. Just a thought but If you had a group of friends who voted to walk in front of a train, take drugs or set fire to their hair, would that mean you had to do It, If you were out voted. Or as an adult would you have the right to make your own decisions.
If you join an organisation then you abide by the rules, in this case I believe a ballot was held and the result of that ballot was to take action, that means as a member of that organisation or union the onus is on you to take the appropriate action as directed by the results of the ballot, I take it there wasn't an action approved to scab? no doubt you will be happy to take advantage in payments or terms and conditions if any are won by those that lost a days pay, if you don't wish to abide by the rules then leave the club.
[quote][p][bold]Molly Dolly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roadkill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Molly Dolly[/bold] wrote: OMG don't get me wrong here, I spent years unemployed and know how hard it is. However small the amount, the unemployed do get a rise every year. I Now work for the council and even with a 5 year pay freeze I still pay towards the unemployed getting a rise every year. Yes I get more than the minimum wage and don't claim any benefits, but after paying rent, council tax, utility bills and anything else that I need to pay just to live, (this amount goes up every year) I don't have anything left. On a final note I voted not to strike, and I didn't I crossed the picket line.[/p][/quote]I do wonder about these scabs who continue to enjoy the services of their union even though they disobey the directive to take industrial action. You've got Thatcher to thank for that. Before the miners' strike you'd have been expelled from the union. Quite rightly, too. Would strike-breakers go on strike if their union voted against such action, just because they personally voted for it?[/p][/quote]Excuse me but disobey and expelled, what are we naughty school children. I PAY for union services and if I don't agree with strike action It Is my right not to go on strike. Just a thought but If you had a group of friends who voted to walk in front of a train, take drugs or set fire to their hair, would that mean you had to do It, If you were out voted. Or as an adult would you have the right to make your own decisions.[/p][/quote]If you join an organisation then you abide by the rules, in this case I believe a ballot was held and the result of that ballot was to take action, that means as a member of that organisation or union the onus is on you to take the appropriate action as directed by the results of the ballot, I take it there wasn't an action approved to scab? no doubt you will be happy to take advantage in payments or terms and conditions if any are won by those that lost a days pay, if you don't wish to abide by the rules then leave the club. uncatom
  • Score: -1

10:51am Thu 17 Jul 14

ordinary personn says...

I didn’t vote for a Tory government but that doesn’t mean I can ignore the legislation they pass and do my own thing. It is called democracy.

As a lifelong union member I have not always agreed with the vote to strike but have never crossed a picket line or been a scab.

Yes, Molly Dolly may “PAY” membership fees but it seems to me that they joined the union simply for their own ends i.e. “the union services”. Being a member of a union is more than just paying the fees. The clue is in the name – it called a “union” not a “loose collective of individuals who only care about themselves and do their own thing irrespective of the outcome of votes”. At least non-members are not hypocrites – they don’t use the union for their own ends and fail to support their fellow members.
I didn’t vote for a Tory government but that doesn’t mean I can ignore the legislation they pass and do my own thing. It is called democracy. As a lifelong union member I have not always agreed with the vote to strike but have never crossed a picket line or been a scab. Yes, Molly Dolly may “PAY” membership fees but it seems to me that they joined the union simply for their own ends i.e. “the union services”. Being a member of a union is more than just paying the fees. The clue is in the name – it called a “union” not a “loose collective of individuals who only care about themselves and do their own thing irrespective of the outcome of votes”. At least non-members are not hypocrites – they don’t use the union for their own ends and fail to support their fellow members. ordinary personn
  • Score: 1

1:11pm Thu 17 Jul 14

uncatom says...

Couldn't have put it better, spot on ordinary person.
Couldn't have put it better, spot on ordinary person. uncatom
  • Score: 0

1:22pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Roadkill says...

Molly Dolly wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Molly Dolly wrote:
OMG don't get me wrong here, I spent years unemployed and know how hard it is. However small the amount, the unemployed do get a rise every year. I Now work for the council and even with a 5 year pay freeze I still pay towards the unemployed getting a rise every year. Yes I get more than the minimum wage and don't claim any benefits, but after paying rent, council tax, utility bills and anything else that I need to pay just to live, (this amount goes up every year) I don't have anything left. On a final note I voted not to strike, and I didn't I crossed the picket line.
I do wonder about these scabs who continue to enjoy the services of their union even though they disobey the directive to take industrial action. You've got Thatcher to thank for that. Before the miners' strike you'd have been expelled from the union. Quite rightly, too.

Would strike-breakers go on strike if their union voted against such action, just because they personally voted for it?
Excuse me but disobey and expelled, what are we naughty school children. I PAY for union services and if I don't agree with strike action It Is my right not to go on strike. Just a thought but If you had a group of friends who voted to walk in front of a train, take drugs or set fire to their hair, would that mean you had to do It, If you were out voted. Or as an adult would you have the right to make your own decisions.
Your comparison is cretinous.

In America, you'd be called a "fink". In Britain, you're a scab. Personally, I think you're a disgrace.

I take small consolation in knowing that your selfish and total ignorance of the point of being in a union, let alone what the word "union" means, has ensured that by breaking the strike you are no longer entitled to local representation and will have to go to your head office should you need help from the union.
[quote][p][bold]Molly Dolly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roadkill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Molly Dolly[/bold] wrote: OMG don't get me wrong here, I spent years unemployed and know how hard it is. However small the amount, the unemployed do get a rise every year. I Now work for the council and even with a 5 year pay freeze I still pay towards the unemployed getting a rise every year. Yes I get more than the minimum wage and don't claim any benefits, but after paying rent, council tax, utility bills and anything else that I need to pay just to live, (this amount goes up every year) I don't have anything left. On a final note I voted not to strike, and I didn't I crossed the picket line.[/p][/quote]I do wonder about these scabs who continue to enjoy the services of their union even though they disobey the directive to take industrial action. You've got Thatcher to thank for that. Before the miners' strike you'd have been expelled from the union. Quite rightly, too. Would strike-breakers go on strike if their union voted against such action, just because they personally voted for it?[/p][/quote]Excuse me but disobey and expelled, what are we naughty school children. I PAY for union services and if I don't agree with strike action It Is my right not to go on strike. Just a thought but If you had a group of friends who voted to walk in front of a train, take drugs or set fire to their hair, would that mean you had to do It, If you were out voted. Or as an adult would you have the right to make your own decisions.[/p][/quote]Your comparison is cretinous. In America, you'd be called a "fink". In Britain, you're a scab. Personally, I think you're a disgrace. I take small consolation in knowing that your selfish and total ignorance of the point of being in a union, let alone what the word "union" means, has ensured that by breaking the strike you are no longer entitled to local representation and will have to go to your head office should you need help from the union. Roadkill
  • Score: 0

1:25pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Roadkill says...

robocoupe wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
robocoupe wrote:
Across all unions that took action yesterday, there was a paltry 35% average turnout voting in those ballots, that stinks of apathy! The public are less supportive of public sector worker strikes than ever before.
It's called democracy. Union members can choose not to vote if they don't want to. What's more important is that those members stand by the decision of their union to strike, rather than cross the line and scab.

How many people voted in the last election? Indeed, how many of the electorate vote in any election?
Quite right! If union members choose not to vote, then they choose not to strike! How many non voters took action last week?
I think you need to go and bone up on what "democracy" actually means.
[quote][p][bold]robocoupe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roadkill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]robocoupe[/bold] wrote: Across all unions that took action yesterday, there was a paltry 35% average turnout voting in those ballots, that stinks of apathy! The public are less supportive of public sector worker strikes than ever before.[/p][/quote]It's called democracy. Union members can choose not to vote if they don't want to. What's more important is that those members stand by the decision of their union to strike, rather than cross the line and scab. How many people voted in the last election? Indeed, how many of the electorate vote in any election?[/p][/quote]Quite right! If union members choose not to vote, then they choose not to strike! How many non voters took action last week?[/p][/quote]I think you need to go and bone up on what "democracy" actually means. Roadkill
  • Score: 0

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