Prime Minister orders investigation following Anna Klonowski report

Prime Minister orders investigation following Anna Klonowski report

Prime Minister orders investigation following Anna Klonowski report

Wirral West MP Esther McVey

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THE Prime Minister has promised to look into claims made in the recent Anna Klonowski report.

Wirral West MP Esther McVey told David Cameron during PM's questions that the "violence and intimidation” revealed in the report was "shocking."

The Klonowski inquiry looked into the claims of whistleblower Martin Morton, a former Wirral social services employee, who was bullied and forced out of his job after revealing systematic financial abuse of vulnerable people in council care.

The council has since apologised to Mr Morton and says it has set in place a series of changes in how the authority works to deal with the problems highlighted by the report.

Miss McVey blamed Wirral's ruling Labour administration for the problems.

During Prime Minister's Questions she asked: "Will the PM as a matter of urgency look into the recent shocking report into allegations of overcharging of vulnerable adults on the Wirral and also claims of violence and intimidation under a Labour-led council, making sure that those responsible are brought to account and never work again in adult social services?"

Mr Cameron agreed, saying that while regulators have a difficult job, better scrutiny is vital.

He said: "I will certainly look at the report - it is clearly a very serious matter."

He also promised to pass on the issue to relevant ministers, adding that new regulators are facing difficulties.

Mr Cameron added: "It is really important that inspections are thorough and targeted ... clearly there is a need for this on Merseyside."

Miss McVey said: "We now know that the PM takes this very seriously. I was determined to take this right to the top.

"There is a question of legal action, which makes it difficult to comment further on matters which may be prejudicial. But some of the allegations are horrendous."

Wirral's chief executive Jim Wilkie said: "We have already begun looking at the implications of Anna Klonowski's report with the police and will co-operate fully in any police investigations.

"We have also responded to the Care Quality Commissions's most recent inspection with a detailed action plan and have improved our services to safeguard people.

"In addition a Peer Review is being carried out independently which has identified that we are making progress.

"I can only repeat that any actions, which can be taken, will be taken to ensure these failings are not repeated."

The Prime Minister's pledge comes as Wirral council leader Cllr Steve Foulkes fights for his political life following calls from leaders of both opposition groups for him to be ousted over the fall-out from the Anna Klonowski report.

Earlier this week Tory leader Cllr Jeff Green called for Cllr Foulkes to step down over the way the report has been dealt with.

This has now been followed by a demand from Lib-Dem leader Cllr Tom Harney for Cllr Foulkes "to do the decent thing and resign."

The two groups united in a vote would out-number the Labour administration by 37 to 29.

Cllr Foulkes will face two votes of no confidence when the full council meets on February 13.

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10:05am Thu 2 Feb 12

reliant22 says...

Well at least, one Wirral MP considered the matter serious enough to raise the atrocity in the House of Commons.
It has been noted that the three Labour MPs have kept quiet.
I hope the perpetrators get their just desserts, compensation for Martin Moreton plus an Honour from Her Majesty for his contribution.I`m almost sure he would be happy to see justice for those poor individuals who suffered at the hands of the thugs.
Good luck Martin.
Well at least, one Wirral MP considered the matter serious enough to raise the atrocity in the House of Commons. It has been noted that the three Labour MPs have kept quiet. I hope the perpetrators get their just desserts, compensation for Martin Moreton plus an Honour from Her Majesty for his contribution.I`m almost sure he would be happy to see justice for those poor individuals who suffered at the hands of the thugs. Good luck Martin. reliant22
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10:09am Thu 2 Feb 12

WirralAl says...

It is about time that this has been highlighted in Parliment. Well done Esther McVey. Lets hope they also investigate the other reports into the many failings of WBC.

When do you think Cllr Foul kus will make a response?

Will it still be
"it wasn't me"
or "lets all work together now".
Or could it finally be " Destination slip out the back door"

Lets hope it's the latter and takes the rest of the liars, bullies and blaggers with him.
It is about time that this has been highlighted in Parliment. Well done Esther McVey. Lets hope they also investigate the other reports into the many failings of WBC. When do you think Cllr Foul kus will make a response? Will it still be "it wasn't me" or "lets all work together now". Or could it finally be " Destination slip out the back door" Lets hope it's the latter and takes the rest of the liars, bullies and blaggers with him. WirralAl
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10:29am Thu 2 Feb 12

PaulCa says...

11 years before it gets to Parliament. How very very sad. What was Frank Field doing while this unfolded under his nose?

Angela Eagle actually did something regarding the 'disability discrimination' aspects of all this. The Klonowski Report finds that there wasn't any disability discrimination - however, one law firm's opinion (who've been protected by anonymity) against that of the EHRC doesn't look very convincing.

The other Labour MP whose name escapes me has done nothing either.
11 years before it gets to Parliament. How very very sad. What was Frank Field doing while this unfolded under his nose? Angela Eagle actually did something regarding the 'disability discrimination' aspects of all this. The Klonowski Report finds that there wasn't any disability discrimination - however, one law firm's opinion (who've been protected by anonymity) against that of the EHRC doesn't look very convincing. The other Labour MP whose name escapes me has done nothing either. PaulCa
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10:34am Thu 2 Feb 12

AndersPanders says...

Never thought I'd praise a conservative but fair play to her. Wilkie's response sounds a little fraught with hysteria "please let me stay" .. Sorry mate I'd prefer if you left. Fresh start. New faces. New ideas.
Never thought I'd praise a conservative but fair play to her. Wilkie's response sounds a little fraught with hysteria "please let me stay" .. Sorry mate I'd prefer if you left. Fresh start. New faces. New ideas. AndersPanders
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10:55am Thu 2 Feb 12

djrimmer says...

I would like to know why Miss McVey has only just got involved. This disgraceful performance has been ongoing for many years due to Mr Morton bravery, so why now?
Any comment Miss McVey?
I would like to know why Miss McVey has only just got involved. This disgraceful performance has been ongoing for many years due to Mr Morton bravery, so why now? Any comment Miss McVey? djrimmer
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11:00am Thu 2 Feb 12

bigfoot says...

Call me Dave will probably dither like he has done over the Veto. The tardiness of Field and McGovern stinks. I think Foulkes is like Rasputin they had a lot of tries to get rid of him!
Martin there's knighthood going spare-at least you did something to deserve it!!!
Call me Dave will probably dither like he has done over the Veto. The tardiness of Field and McGovern stinks. I think Foulkes is like Rasputin they had a lot of tries to get rid of him! Martin there's knighthood going spare-at least you did something to deserve it!!! bigfoot
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11:12am Thu 2 Feb 12

WirralAl says...

Martin Morton should be made Mayor of Wirral and help rebuild the mess. He has first hand knowledge of the departmentel monster that hides under the cloak of WBC.
Martin Morton should be made Mayor of Wirral and help rebuild the mess. He has first hand knowledge of the departmentel monster that hides under the cloak of WBC. WirralAl
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11:44am Thu 2 Feb 12

Cheesy Peas says...

Jim Wilkie demonstrating perfectly how he still, after everything, simply does not get this.

Resign!
Jim Wilkie demonstrating perfectly how he still, after everything, simply does not get this. Resign! Cheesy Peas
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1:32pm Thu 2 Feb 12

council officer says...

Well done to Esther McVey.

However, when are we going to get change at the top?

Until we do so, there will be no change!

Same old stock answer from Mr Wilkie. For God's sake, do something man.
Well done to Esther McVey. However, when are we going to get change at the top? Until we do so, there will be no change! Same old stock answer from Mr Wilkie. For God's sake, do something man. council officer
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3:18pm Thu 2 Feb 12

bigfoot says...

council officer wrote:
Well done to Esther McVey.

However, when are we going to get change at the top?

Until we do so, there will be no change!

Same old stock answer from Mr Wilkie. For God's sake, do something man.
You will have a long wait for a response from Rip Van Wilkie!
[quote][p][bold]council officer[/bold] wrote: Well done to Esther McVey. However, when are we going to get change at the top? Until we do so, there will be no change! Same old stock answer from Mr Wilkie. For God's sake, do something man.[/p][/quote]You will have a long wait for a response from Rip Van Wilkie! bigfoot
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4:09pm Thu 2 Feb 12

LocaLGovwatcher says...

Thank goodness for Esther McVey truly acting as an MP on our behalf. What exactly has Angela Eagle done towards the investigation this horror situation?
Thank goodness for Esther McVey truly acting as an MP on our behalf. What exactly has Angela Eagle done towards the investigation this horror situation? LocaLGovwatcher
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4:44pm Thu 2 Feb 12

PaulCa says...

Angela Eagle made an enquiry about disability discrimination to Mike Smith of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission about a year ago, which found that there was indeed disability discrimination on the part of the council.

However when Mr Smith's letter was submitted to Chair, Moira McLaughlin's Social Services "Scrutiny" committee a year last January, she wouldn't accept it and attacked the Wirral Globe story (in the paper that week) with the rhetorical flourish, "You don't believe everything you read in the newspapers do you?"

She is now the worshipful Mayor of Wirral, but as we all know, is yet to face any accountability for her failures.
Angela Eagle made an enquiry about disability discrimination to Mike Smith of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission about a year ago, which found that there was indeed disability discrimination on the part of the council. However when Mr Smith's letter was submitted to Chair, Moira McLaughlin's Social Services "Scrutiny" committee a year last January, she wouldn't accept it and attacked the Wirral Globe story (in the paper that week) with the rhetorical flourish, "You don't believe everything you read in the newspapers do you?" She is now the worshipful Mayor of Wirral, but as we all know, is yet to face any accountability for her failures. PaulCa
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5:40pm Thu 2 Feb 12

water1lily says...

This is just the tip of the iceberg for 12 years that we know of DASS have been failing in their Legal Responsibilities to the Learning Disabled of Wirral.They totally ignore all the the Laws regarding Disability Discrimination and Human Rights, the findings of their own Independent Tribunals and even their own Written Procedures.
There are hundreds of Disabled people on the Wirral not getting their Legal Entitlements and they their families are suffering.Everyone knows about it, CQC aren't interested and when an MP or the Local Government Ombudsman asks DASS for information on what has gone on the replies we have copies of are a total pack of lies. It goes right to the top the Chief Executive of the Council when told what was going on didn't even reply. The' Care' Company DASS insist provide 'Care' have been found guilty of 3 different types of Financial Abuse and don't even provide basic care. We have photos of a client looking like a Belsen Victim.
This is just the tip of the iceberg for 12 years that we know of DASS have been failing in their Legal Responsibilities to the Learning Disabled of Wirral.They totally ignore all the the Laws regarding Disability Discrimination and Human Rights, the findings of their own Independent Tribunals and even their own Written Procedures. There are hundreds of Disabled people on the Wirral not getting their Legal Entitlements and they their families are suffering.Everyone knows about it, CQC aren't interested and when an MP or the Local Government Ombudsman asks DASS for information on what has gone on the replies we have copies of are a total pack of lies. It goes right to the top the Chief Executive of the Council when told what was going on didn't even reply. The' Care' Company DASS insist provide 'Care' have been found guilty of 3 different types of Financial Abuse and don't even provide basic care. We have photos of a client looking like a Belsen Victim. water1lily
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6:00pm Thu 2 Feb 12

LocaLGovwatcher says...

PaulCa says...
4:44pm Thu 2 Feb 12

"Angela Eagle made an enquiry about disability discrimination to Mike Smith of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission about a year ago, which found that there was indeed disability discrimination on the part of the council.

However when Mr Smith's letter was submitted to Chair, Moira McLaughlin's Social Services "Scrutiny" committee a year last January, she wouldn't accept it and attacked the Wirral Globe story (in the paper that week) with the rhetorical flourish, "You don't believe everything you read in the newspapers do you?"

She is now the worshipful Mayor of Wirral, but as we all know, is yet to face any accountability for her failures."

So having ascertained there was disability discrimination happening in the Council, it would appear that Angela Eagle took no follow-up action in this matter. Why?
PaulCa says... 4:44pm Thu 2 Feb 12 "Angela Eagle made an enquiry about disability discrimination to Mike Smith of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission about a year ago, which found that there was indeed disability discrimination on the part of the council. However when Mr Smith's letter was submitted to Chair, Moira McLaughlin's Social Services "Scrutiny" committee a year last January, she wouldn't accept it and attacked the Wirral Globe story (in the paper that week) with the rhetorical flourish, "You don't believe everything you read in the newspapers do you?" She is now the worshipful Mayor of Wirral, but as we all know, is yet to face any accountability for her failures." So having ascertained there was disability discrimination happening in the Council, it would appear that Angela Eagle took no follow-up action in this matter. Why? LocaLGovwatcher
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7:30pm Thu 2 Feb 12

Ben Beaconsfield says...

Well done Ester McVey. And to her one critic - this report has only been in the public domain for a couple of weeks.

However, the cynic in me tells me not to hold my breath. I watched Cameron's reply to Ms McVey's question and it seemed to me to smack of: "Oh, OK, another report. Put it with the rest." He certainly appeared to be very non-committal. I hope I'm being unfair....
Well done Ester McVey. And to her one critic - this report has only been in the public domain for a couple of weeks. However, the cynic in me tells me not to hold my breath. I watched Cameron's reply to Ms McVey's question and it seemed to me to smack of: "Oh, OK, another report. Put it with the rest." He certainly appeared to be very non-committal. I hope I'm being unfair.... Ben Beaconsfield
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7:41pm Thu 2 Feb 12

PaulCa says...

Cameron was told about financial abuse on March 10th 2010, just under two years ago, but did NOTHING. He didn't even reply to the email.

Google "Veridici / Cameron" to find the 'Angela Eagle letter' on the 'Blowing the Whistle' blog.

Same goes to Frank Field (shame), Stephen Hesford (remember him?), Yvette Cooper, Gordon Brown, Nick Clegg, the Local Government Ombudsman and Gordon Brown.

All too busy to bother their backsides with disabled people being attacked and thieved from by a local council.
Cameron was told about financial abuse on March 10th 2010, just under two years ago, but did NOTHING. He didn't even reply to the email. Google "Veridici / Cameron" to find the 'Angela Eagle letter' on the 'Blowing the Whistle' blog. Same goes to Frank Field (shame), Stephen Hesford (remember him?), Yvette Cooper, Gordon Brown, Nick Clegg, the Local Government Ombudsman and Gordon Brown. All too busy to bother their backsides with disabled people being attacked and thieved from by a local council. PaulCa
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7:58pm Thu 2 Feb 12

PaulCa says...

LocaLGovwatcher wrote:
PaulCa says...
4:44pm Thu 2 Feb 12

"Angela Eagle made an enquiry about disability discrimination to Mike Smith of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission about a year ago, which found that there was indeed disability discrimination on the part of the council.

However when Mr Smith's letter was submitted to Chair, Moira McLaughlin's Social Services "Scrutiny" committee a year last January, she wouldn't accept it and attacked the Wirral Globe story (in the paper that week) with the rhetorical flourish, "You don't believe everything you read in the newspapers do you?"

She is now the worshipful Mayor of Wirral, but as we all know, is yet to face any accountability for her failures."

So having ascertained there was disability discrimination happening in the Council, it would appear that Angela Eagle took no follow-up action in this matter. Why?
Mike Smith of the EHRC passed the issue on to Anna Klonowski for her to investigate within her review.

Now how the anonymous legal party she commissioned to look into it can come up with a result which directly counters what he found is a bit of a mystery.

The EHRC deal with this sort of thing constantly. It's their bread and butter, so my money's on disability discrimination being found ultimately, despite the squirmings of Wirral Council.

But officialdom has its asking price. Individuals can be bought and sold, as we all know, so it's up in the air really!
[quote][p][bold]LocaLGovwatcher[/bold] wrote: PaulCa says... 4:44pm Thu 2 Feb 12 "Angela Eagle made an enquiry about disability discrimination to Mike Smith of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission about a year ago, which found that there was indeed disability discrimination on the part of the council. However when Mr Smith's letter was submitted to Chair, Moira McLaughlin's Social Services "Scrutiny" committee a year last January, she wouldn't accept it and attacked the Wirral Globe story (in the paper that week) with the rhetorical flourish, "You don't believe everything you read in the newspapers do you?" She is now the worshipful Mayor of Wirral, but as we all know, is yet to face any accountability for her failures." So having ascertained there was disability discrimination happening in the Council, it would appear that Angela Eagle took no follow-up action in this matter. Why?[/p][/quote]Mike Smith of the EHRC passed the issue on to Anna Klonowski for her to investigate within her review. Now how the anonymous legal party she commissioned to look into it can come up with a result which directly counters what he found is a bit of a mystery. The EHRC deal with this sort of thing constantly. It's their bread and butter, so my money's on disability discrimination being found ultimately, despite the squirmings of Wirral Council. But officialdom has its asking price. Individuals can be bought and sold, as we all know, so it's up in the air really! PaulCa
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9:15pm Thu 2 Feb 12

daggers drawn says...

AndersPanders wrote:
Never thought I'd praise a conservative but fair play to her. Wilkie's response sounds a little fraught with hysteria "please let me stay" .. Sorry mate I'd prefer if you left. Fresh start. New faces. New ideas.
Yep new faces & a fresh start! What a statement-sounds like press hysteria! Best pack your bags, you have 6,000 staff who will help you and your little elfin!
How you gonna deg yourself out of this!
[quote][p][bold]AndersPanders[/bold] wrote: Never thought I'd praise a conservative but fair play to her. Wilkie's response sounds a little fraught with hysteria "please let me stay" .. Sorry mate I'd prefer if you left. Fresh start. New faces. New ideas.[/p][/quote]Yep new faces & a fresh start! What a statement-sounds like press hysteria! Best pack your bags, you have 6,000 staff who will help you and your little elfin! How you gonna deg yourself out of this! daggers drawn
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9:23pm Thu 2 Feb 12

daggers drawn says...

Cheesy Peas wrote:
Jim Wilkie demonstrating perfectly how he still, after everything, simply does not get this. Resign!
How right. He will never get it!! He must think he is untouchable! Well he has been! He was Deputy Chief Executive for years & years!! he must have known what was going on! and if he didn't he should be sacked! It was his job to know. You best get going Jo 90 your time is up!
[quote][p][bold]Cheesy Peas[/bold] wrote: Jim Wilkie demonstrating perfectly how he still, after everything, simply does not get this. Resign![/p][/quote]How right. He will never get it!! He must think he is untouchable! Well he has been! He was Deputy Chief Executive for years & years!! he must have known what was going on! and if he didn't he should be sacked! It was his job to know. You best get going Jo 90 your time is up! daggers drawn
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10:04pm Thu 2 Feb 12

CTS1966 says...

Well done Esther there are certain people who need to be made accountable.
And why no word from Mr Frank Field?
One of those who need to explain their actions is the current Mayor Of Wirral Moira McLaughlin!
Is this why Mr Field says nothing?
Work it out!
It’s nothing to do with the fact that they are in the same party!!!
Well done Esther there are certain people who need to be made accountable. And why no word from Mr Frank Field? One of those who need to explain their actions is the current Mayor Of Wirral Moira McLaughlin! Is this why Mr Field says nothing? Work it out! It’s nothing to do with the fact that they are in the same party!!! CTS1966
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10:05pm Thu 2 Feb 12

council officer says...

daggers drawn wrote:
AndersPanders wrote:
Never thought I'd praise a conservative but fair play to her. Wilkie's response sounds a little fraught with hysteria "please let me stay" .. Sorry mate I'd prefer if you left. Fresh start. New faces. New ideas.
Yep new faces & a fresh start! What a statement-sounds like press hysteria! Best pack your bags, you have 6,000 staff who will help you and your little elfin!
How you gonna deg yourself out of this!
Ha ha..I'm lovin the play on words Daggers. Class!
[quote][p][bold]daggers drawn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndersPanders[/bold] wrote: Never thought I'd praise a conservative but fair play to her. Wilkie's response sounds a little fraught with hysteria "please let me stay" .. Sorry mate I'd prefer if you left. Fresh start. New faces. New ideas.[/p][/quote]Yep new faces & a fresh start! What a statement-sounds like press hysteria! Best pack your bags, you have 6,000 staff who will help you and your little elfin! How you gonna deg yourself out of this![/p][/quote]Ha ha..I'm lovin the play on words Daggers. Class! council officer
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10:34pm Thu 2 Feb 12

ArdalMcFardle says...

But now I read on a website that must not be named that DASS has a pilot scheme in place to reduce payments to carers too. And A restructure that is so over loaded with managers it appears to defy logic. They are very good at looking after their own aren't they? But not the people they are supposed to look after.
But now I read on a website that must not be named that DASS has a pilot scheme in place to reduce payments to carers too. And A restructure that is so over loaded with managers it appears to defy logic. They are very good at looking after their own aren't they? But not the people they are supposed to look after. ArdalMcFardle
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10:52pm Thu 2 Feb 12

council officer says...

ArdalMcFardle wrote:
But now I read on a website that must not be named that DASS has a pilot scheme in place to reduce payments to carers too. And A restructure that is so over loaded with managers it appears to defy logic. They are very good at looking after their own aren't they? But not the people they are supposed to look after.
If you go onto the agenda for tonights cabinet meeting there is all sorts of nonsense going on. The Council is putting forward its draft Corporate Plan. Its a joke. They are also putting forward an action plan to tackle AKA. Another joke. No mention of any resignations. I hope AK sees through the lot of them on her return.
[quote][p][bold]ArdalMcFardle[/bold] wrote: But now I read on a website that must not be named that DASS has a pilot scheme in place to reduce payments to carers too. And A restructure that is so over loaded with managers it appears to defy logic. They are very good at looking after their own aren't they? But not the people they are supposed to look after.[/p][/quote]If you go onto the agenda for tonights cabinet meeting there is all sorts of nonsense going on. The Council is putting forward its draft Corporate Plan. Its a joke. They are also putting forward an action plan to tackle AKA. Another joke. No mention of any resignations. I hope AK sees through the lot of them on her return. council officer
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11:59am Fri 3 Feb 12

Fungy says...

As someone who follows Frank Field's activities in Parliament I can't help think Ms Mcvey has jumped the gun slightly and presumably because she noticed that Mr Field has secured a debate in Westminster hall on this very issue for next Tuesday. This must have been applied for long before Ms McVeys request as my experience of working in parliament is that you can wait several weeks or months to get a debate due to the busy schedules.
I am sure the Wirral MP's will be at the debate where the Minister will have to respond fully in the debate and may have more impact than some empty word from 'call me Dave'. 

Perhaps Esther was going for the cheap publicity route rather than the 

http://services.parl
iament.uk/calendar/C
ommons/WestminsterHa
ll/2012/02/07/events
.html
As someone who follows Frank Field's activities in Parliament I can't help think Ms Mcvey has jumped the gun slightly and presumably because she noticed that Mr Field has secured a debate in Westminster hall on this very issue for next Tuesday. This must have been applied for long before Ms McVeys request as my experience of working in parliament is that you can wait several weeks or months to get a debate due to the busy schedules. I am sure the Wirral MP's will be at the debate where the Minister will have to respond fully in the debate and may have more impact than some empty word from 'call me Dave'.  Perhaps Esther was going for the cheap publicity route rather than the  http://services.parl iament.uk/calendar/C ommons/WestminsterHa ll/2012/02/07/events .html Fungy
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12:33pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Cheesy Peas says...

Thanks, Fungy.

I wasn't aware of that.

I'll veru much enjoy reading Hansard.
Thanks, Fungy. I wasn't aware of that. I'll veru much enjoy reading Hansard. Cheesy Peas
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12:46pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Dantealighieri says...

I don't no if there are any computer experts out there, but my ancient machine seems to gone haywire. Just tuned into the article 'Service for Wirral's black and minority ethnic communities', and all the comments have disappeared. Why?
I don't no if there are any computer experts out there, but my ancient machine seems to gone haywire. Just tuned into the article 'Service for Wirral's black and minority ethnic communities', and all the comments have disappeared. Why? Dantealighieri
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12:48pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Ben Beaconsfield says...

That's funny, Dantealighieri, so has mine.

A simple explanation from The Globe to old-time posters like us might be seen as good manners, n'est pas?
That's funny, Dantealighieri, so has mine. A simple explanation from The Globe to old-time posters like us might be seen as good manners, n'est pas? Ben Beaconsfield
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12:57pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Dantealighieri says...

Ben- I hope this isn't an example of a victory for those who are tolerant of everything, apart from those who disagree with them.
Ben- I hope this isn't an example of a victory for those who are tolerant of everything, apart from those who disagree with them. Dantealighieri
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1:08pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Cheesy Peas says...

Ben/Dante,

Frustrating thought it is - my own comments get deleted from time to time - we have to remember it's the Globe who ends up liable for any defamatory remarks on here, not the person who leaves the comment.

Sometimes an entire thread gets based around one "out of kilter" remark and so, for the sake of ease if nothing else, I imagine that's why the whole lot gets deleted.

Remember - this is the newspaper that broke and followed up the Martin Morton affair all the way through, so it seems unfair to accuse them of unnecessary censorship.

Happen to know that's the precise opposite of their raisin d'etre - BUT they still have to work within their own company rules.

CP
Ben/Dante, Frustrating thought it is - my own comments get deleted from time to time - we have to remember it's the Globe who ends up liable for any defamatory remarks on here, not the person who leaves the comment. Sometimes an entire thread gets based around one "out of kilter" remark and so, for the sake of ease if nothing else, I imagine that's why the whole lot gets deleted. Remember - this is the newspaper that broke and followed up the Martin Morton affair all the way through, so it seems unfair to accuse them of unnecessary censorship. Happen to know that's the precise opposite of their raisin d'etre - BUT they still have to work within their own company rules. CP Cheesy Peas
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1:18pm Fri 3 Feb 12

CTS1966 says...

Fungy wrote:
As someone who follows Frank Field's activities in Parliament I can't help think Ms Mcvey has jumped the gun slightly and presumably because she noticed that Mr Field has secured a debate in Westminster hall on this very issue for next Tuesday. This must have been applied for long before Ms McVeys request as my experience of working in parliament is that you can wait several weeks or months to get a debate due to the busy schedules.
I am sure the Wirral MP's will be at the debate where the Minister will have to respond fully in the debate and may have more impact than some empty word from 'call me Dave'. 

Perhaps Esther was going for the cheap publicity route rather than the 

http://services.parl

iament.uk/calendar/C

ommons/WestminsterHa

ll/2012/02/07/events

.html
Fungy, useful information but I doubt Mr Field would want to rock the boat too much!

After all it would implicate Mayor Moira McLaughlin who Mr Field has a (very) close relationship with!

Maybe Ms Mcvey realised that and thought best to act!!
[quote][p][bold]Fungy[/bold] wrote: As someone who follows Frank Field's activities in Parliament I can't help think Ms Mcvey has jumped the gun slightly and presumably because she noticed that Mr Field has secured a debate in Westminster hall on this very issue for next Tuesday. This must have been applied for long before Ms McVeys request as my experience of working in parliament is that you can wait several weeks or months to get a debate due to the busy schedules. I am sure the Wirral MP's will be at the debate where the Minister will have to respond fully in the debate and may have more impact than some empty word from 'call me Dave'.  Perhaps Esther was going for the cheap publicity route rather than the  http://services.parl iament.uk/calendar/C ommons/WestminsterHa ll/2012/02/07/events .html[/p][/quote]Fungy, useful information but I doubt Mr Field would want to rock the boat too much! After all it would implicate Mayor Moira McLaughlin who Mr Field has a (very) close relationship with! Maybe Ms Mcvey realised that and thought best to act!! CTS1966
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3:03pm Fri 3 Feb 12

AndersPanders says...

But hasn't Frank has been aware of this scandal for ages and said very very little .... ???
But hasn't Frank has been aware of this scandal for ages and said very very little .... ??? AndersPanders
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12:21am Sat 4 Feb 12

unbeleivable says...

All the contracts that where given to outside agencies when all this happened with Martin Moreton should be relooked at because some of these providers and managers for the people with learning difficulties are not doing their jobs. They just don't care.
All the contracts that where given to outside agencies when all this happened with Martin Moreton should be relooked at because some of these providers and managers for the people with learning difficulties are not doing their jobs. They just don't care. unbeleivable
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11:02am Sat 4 Feb 12

Cheesy Peas says...

In many cases there were no contracts - yet another part of this unraveling scandal.

The one glimmer of joy in all this is that the protagonists at Wirral Council - elected and employed, and in one case wearing a chain - are poring over these comments with sick stomachs, dreading to turn away from the screen in the fear they'll see the grim reaper of justice standing right behind them.
In many cases there were no contracts - yet another part of this unraveling scandal. The one glimmer of joy in all this is that the protagonists at Wirral Council - elected and employed, and in one case wearing a chain - are poring over these comments with sick stomachs, dreading to turn away from the screen in the fear they'll see the grim reaper of justice standing right behind them. Cheesy Peas
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3:32pm Sat 4 Feb 12

unbeleivable says...

Well if there where no contracts surely this should be looked in to as well.
Well if there where no contracts surely this should be looked in to as well. unbeleivable
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7:58pm Sat 4 Feb 12

bickyboy says...

Just re the obliteration of comments on the BME thread: its too easy for someone who resents that rarest of public phenomena--an open and frank debate about minority matters--to torpedo the discussion by posing as a bigot and getting the thread pulled. What that brief but sparky discussion did prove was that there are bigots on both sides of the argument, and that ironically, the pro diversity bigots are every bit as entrenched as the antis.
Just re the obliteration of comments on the BME thread: its too easy for someone who resents that rarest of public phenomena--an open and frank debate about minority matters--to torpedo the discussion by posing as a bigot and getting the thread pulled. What that brief but sparky discussion did prove was that there are bigots on both sides of the argument, and that ironically, the pro diversity bigots are every bit as entrenched as the antis. bickyboy
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12:00am Sun 5 Feb 12

Cheesy Peas says...

Bickyboy - agreed. But that's life.

Unbelieveable - oh, it very much is being looked into.

Team #Whistleblower is now Legion:

We're on it.
Bickyboy - agreed. But that's life. Unbelieveable - oh, it very much is being looked into. Team #Whistleblower is now Legion: We're on it. Cheesy Peas
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7:40am Sun 5 Feb 12

Ben Beaconsfield says...

bickyboy -did I miss a post from Toryman?
bickyboy -did I miss a post from Toryman? Ben Beaconsfield
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2:10pm Sun 5 Feb 12

bickyboy says...

Ben, you may have done but he was using another name.
Ben, you may have done but he was using another name. bickyboy
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