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Hundreds gather for final area forum


THE Floral Pavilion in New Brighton hosted the final area forum on the council's proposed strategic asset review last night (Thursday).

Council leader Steve Foulkes was booed loudly as he entered the venue to host the debate on the cuts.

It was one of four that were held at venues in West Kirby, Port Sunlight and Birkenhead, that were attended by more than 2,500 demonstrators.

In the audience were members from swimming groups and community groups who volubly voiced their concerns over how the proposals would affect them.

After the New Brighton forum, Cllr Foulkes told the Globe: “It doesn’t take the wisdom of Solomon to come up with a solution that is acceptable.

“The dilemma is that people are pretending, or are being told, that there isn’t a problem and we can walk away from it.

“But the world at large knows that you can’t bring premises like the new Floral Pavilion on board and all the 19 children’s centres and all the other great stuff that we’ve done and maintain everything else at the same time. So something’s got to give in the system.

“I am confident that we can meet head-on some of the challenges, such as with issues around transportation need to be considered better, as well as issues around deprivation and the feeling that somehow we are picking on deprived areas. Actually, this is a Wirral-wide project. That’s why it’s taken so long.

“Once we get to the point were people have some certainty, I’m sure people will engage and use that same enthusiasm and passion in designing and moving on to new premises and new initiatives.

“It’s not a done deal, it’s not in tablets of stone. We’re listening, taking on board the comments and we will make a very difficult decision and hope people realise that we have genuinely gone out and spoken to them.

“The meetings have been full of high passion with a great exchange of views. It’s really rewarding politics for me, because so much apathy has been around in the past.”

Also on the panel were council chief executive Steve Maddox, Liberal Democrat leader Simon Holbrook, the council’s regeneration officer Alan Stennard and Jim Lester, head of cultural services.

Among those invited to speak were Wallasey resident Wendy Bennett who told the panel: “It saddens me to see the state of Wallasey Library. Wirral council don’t give a fig about our heritage. I think Wirral council is like an old computer, which needs to be rebuilt. Stop knocking down our buildings.”

Dave Barke, chief swimming coach at Wallasey Swimming Club, said: “The feedback is that the vast majority of people are against the proposals in the strategic asset review. They don’t want these cuts to go ahead. My hopes are that the council will listen to the views of the public.”

Also present was Wallasey MP Angela Eagle who said: “The overwhelming view from my constituents to this strategic asset review is opposition.

“Seacombe is one of the poorest areas in the borough and they face losing the swimming baths in their constituency.”

A protest march against the planned cuts, organised by public service union Unison, will take place earlier that afternoon. It starts at Seacombe Ferry at 4.30pm, ending outside Town Hall at 5pm.

Under the proposals, libraries, leisure centres and community centres across the borough will be closed. A final decision on the proposal will be made by Wirral's cabinet next Thursday, January 15.


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Philip currall, Irby says...
4:59pm Fri 9 Jan 09

I was also at the New Brighton meeting and the main point I understood was that the council have been forced to make the £3.2 million cuts because of 1. the changes in the revenue rules by the governmnet and 2. so they can borrow money off the governement in the future to build new facilities. Their hands are tied by the government who keep shnaging the goal posts and sucking more money out of local authorities - we should be complaining to the government for trying to sneek cutbacks in through the back door and conveniently dumping the problem on the council- who by law have to find the cuts abd set a council tax rate. We should be campaigning for the rules to be changed on raising funds and getting money from the government is done which must cost a fortune in bureacracy. We should obby all our local Labour MPs to change these rules which are sneaked in - their party made them. I think we are aiming the protest at the wrong people.

glenn, moreton, says...
8:59pm Fri 9 Jan 09

NO, our COUNCILLORS should be fighting the government on our behalf - that's what they're paid for.If this is all the government's fault then our council should say so and make a public statement saying how they have had their hands tied. Shifting blame never gets anyone anywhere and is a never ending rainbow-chase.

Carmella, Hoylake says...
1:20pm Sat 10 Jan 09

I agree with Philip Curral's view that the council's hands are tied. I don't see any point in focussing on any alleged mis-management in the past or on constantly blaming the council. The fact is that political decisions are never easy but I do question why this situation has suddenly been thrown at us and I have to wonder if government targets are at the root of the speed of these cuts. I read that local councils are to be measured and rated in a different way from the next financial year hence the urgency in streamlining/ centralising resources. The council does not make up the rules but what does not make sense is that both Stephen Hesford and Angela Eagle have spoken out against the proposed cuts. Are they just crowd-pleasing because it is the labour governmment that is forcing the council's hand. I can't accept that council members are evil, self-seeking creatures who line their own pockets although surely someone should have acticipated that money was draining away given the falling birth rate and changin demographic. I think we need to lobby the government to give us more time to phase in changes for all the excellent reasons put forward at the consultations.

Furor Teutonicus, Berlin says...
1:32pm Sat 10 Jan 09

If the councils "hands are tied" they should be saying so, instead of hiding behind a load of B.S excuses.

But they are not saying so. Therefore the probability is their hands are NOT tied.

"He whom has the means of defence and does not use it, does not deserve to survive".

Carmella, Hoylake says...
4:31pm Sat 10 Jan 09

Of course the council's hands will always be tied to some degree, as are the hands of anyone in politics, or what is the three line whip all about? They can't break the law or they lose their position. There was a strong police presence at the consultations!! I'd like the truth here instead of being fobbed off but ultimately government makes the rules. I've seen whats happened to the unions, to schools and now it looks like social services are next, and the rumoured big increase in disabled blue badges from £2 to £50 takes my breath away. What defence do we really have in a democracy to save our services after petitions, protests and MPs advising against. My main concern is that everything's measured quantitatively and there's no room for a proper qualitative assessment of services. I don't think 'a one size fits all' approach works for the country not when there is such deprivation in Wirral. So, what can be done to defend our services? I'd be interested to know

glenn, moreton, says...
11:03pm Sat 10 Jan 09

I agree with furor teutonicus. If the council are being made the scape goats by some government policy, yet they refuse to say anything then they are stupid for not mentioning it.After all if they did mention what is tying their hands then surely this would all be the governments fault and they would be off the hook. But it isn't the government's fault is it?

raymond38, Noctorum says...
2:58pm Sun 11 Jan 09

Carmella you have got to focus on past mis-management, where else do you think this huge financial black hole comes from...yesterday. If you can't accept that the councillors aren't all the things you describe then I wish I had your rose coloured spectacles, I have had to deal with them and I assure you they have it down to a fine art when it comes to being less than forthcoming with the truth.

djrimmer, Wallasey says...
4:02pm Sun 11 Jan 09

Whilst national government do cap local councils, that is to protect the council tax payers to some degree from excessive council tax rises. In our case on the Wirral we have been subjected to gross incompetence by an undemocratic regime who have time and time again allowed council officials to foul up and together with councillors crackpot schemes have left budget shortfalls. Sorry but the blame can be squarely laid at the feet of Foulkes, Maddox and all their "yes" men and women

ghawkins, wirral says...
12:58am Tue 13 Jan 09

Our council are normally the first to blame anyone else if they can (eg Foulkes blaming national issues after the May election disaster) so I cannot agree that the council are somehow taking the rap for the Government. If they were, then we would all be hearing about it.

It might play a part, but for the reason why we cannot support social services andcannot provide an adequate leisure service then we need to look locally. How much did they lose in Iceland?

Spiffy, Wallasey says...
10:26am Tue 13 Jan 09

ghawkins - I was under the impression that nothing was actually 'lost' in iceland since the council deemed that money was 'spare' in the first place. Clearly our council taxes are too high if there is plenty left over to 'save'.

Anyway, this source quotes the amount of money stolen from council tax payers and rerouted to offshore accounts as - wait for it - 9.5 million. Thats a lot of libraries and swimming pools worth isn't it.

Source: http://conservativeh
ome.blogs.com/localg
overnment/2008/10/co
uncils-with-m.html

glenn, moreton, says...
11:23am Tue 13 Jan 09

Thanks for that link spiffy. Total amount of council tax money all councils in the uk 'invested' in these banks is approaching 1 billion!

As for wiral council -£9.5 million is deemed 'spare' as you say, and yet Steve Foulkes tells us at the floral pavillion that their current cash-flow crisis has nothing to do with losing this money! Well what is the reason for their cash-flow crisis, if losing this 'spare' money has nothing to do with it?

I think you are right spiffy, this 'lost' money could have been used to keep the libraries and sports centres etc going for another couple of years- and for the council to deem the keeping of up to 1000 jobs for another couple of years as not being worthwhile shows what kind of people these are.

The joy that all these facilities bring to so many peple-i'm sure these users would love to keep their services for another 2 years and would indeed welcome a 'stay of execution',and who knows, by then we might actually have someone else in cabinet who actually know what they're doing!

Spiffy, Wallasey says...
12:01pm Tue 13 Jan 09

Since they incapable of doing it themselves Wirral Council employed consultants at a staggering cost of £200,000 to tell them how save money. (!) Their most blatant and admission of abject failure to date.

Now....I'd like a full list of everything done to cut their in-house costs to the bone and how much they saved before they even began to consider cutting vital services. I suspect we all would and since, as taxpayers, we ALL paid for this then surely we have a right to know.

glenn, moreton, says...
12:08pm Tue 13 Jan 09

spiffy, get on to the whatdotheyknow.com website and ask your question to the FOI officer on wirral borough council. Good luck!

Spiffy, Wallasey says...
1:33pm Tue 13 Jan 09

Thanks for that Glenn :)

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