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BIN STRIKES THREATENED

8:23am Wednesday 26th March 2008

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BIN contractor BIFFA has dismissed a number of staff for being under the influence of drugs and alcohol at work.

Now unions representing the refuse collectors are threatening to go on strike in protest.

"We aren’t denying that eventually these issues could lead to industrial action."

Brian Nelson

BIFFA officials met with Transport and General Workers' Union for the first time last Wednesday to discuss their "unease" about the dismissals.

No decision was reached but the union confirmed they are not yet ruling out the fact that industrial action could be the final conclusion. That could mean Wirral residents may be left with unemptied bins until the issues are resolved.

The threats of industrial action comes after the Globe reported how the council plans to fine people who persistently put the wrong rubbish in the wrong coloured wheelie bins up to £100.

Brian Nelson, lead officer for Transport and General Workers' Union, Ellesmere Port, said to the Globe: "We met with BIFFA yesterday regarding a number of issues, and at this stage no plans for industrial action are in place. As yet, we are not even planning to ballot.

"But we aren't denying that eventually these issues could lead to industrial action."

When asked about the issues that have led to the industrial issues, Mr Nelson refused to comment.

BIFFA spokesman Mike Godfrey confirmed the dismissals were the reason for the action. He said: "We regret that the T&GWU has felt it necessary to necessary to negotiate with us over this matter.

"After following the proper procedure we were left with no option but to dismiss the small number of employees on the grounds of prolonged and consistent absenteeism and for being at work under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

"We take very seriously the issue of drug and alcohol abuse and we do not believe that anyone would condone the operation of heavy machinery or vehicles in public areas by people who are drunk or under the influence of drugs."

A Wirral Council spokeswoman said: "The council expects our contractor, Biffa, to undertake an efficient collection of bins whilst ensuring the safety of Wirral residents. Clearly this matter has been taken very seriously.""


Your Say YourWirral Globe

jezza, says...
8:40am Wed 26 Mar 08

Unbelievable. But then not in this day and age. Sack the lot. "In the good old days..." they used to go INTO the property,carry the bin to the wagon,empty it and carry it BACK INTO the property again. Nowadays they just leave them to block the pavement. Sack them. Along with the teachers and the coppers.

Steve Mac, says...
8:55am Wed 26 Mar 08

Sack them. Along with the teachers and the coppers.

Any alternatives?

Alan, Wallasey says...
9:35am Wed 26 Mar 08

jezza wrote:
Unbelievable. But then not in this day and age. Sack the lot. "In the good old days..." they used to go INTO the property,carry the bin to the wagon,empty it and carry it BACK INTO the property again. Nowadays they just leave them to block the pavement. Sack them. Along with the teachers and the coppers.
A reasoned and well thought out argument, NOT!

What exactly were the good old days? Oh yes I remember them well, outside toilets, coal fires, poverty, smog, having to borrow money to survive. The list goes on.

Why not save the nasty comments until this thing is resolved. On the one hand I can't see Biffa doing this unless really necessary but on the other, unions don't usually back their members in cases like this. Perhaps there is more to this than meets the eye.

It may just be cost cutting, and perhaps Biffa want to replace them with a few Poles?

Nemo, says...
9:42am Wed 26 Mar 08

It is not uncommon for employers to carry out 'with cause' testing for drugs and alcohol nowadays. I have worked in several places where this was the norm. It was spelled out quite clearly that there was a zero-tolerance approach to alcohol and drug misuse at work. If Biffa have such a policy and if they are enforcing it rigorously, then the T&GWU ought to be supporting their efforts, not threatening strike action. Or perhaps they want to go back to the 'good old days' of the 1970s, when Trades Unions held the country to ransom whenever they felt like it?

amazed!!!, says...
9:50am Wed 26 Mar 08

Just a bit of a quandry!If the strike does emerge,will the council waver the potential £100 fines,because we can rest assured bins will get contaminated if the strike takes effect.We don't know the full circumstances for the dimissal's,and i agree Alan, there is probably more to this than meets the eye.there is an old clicque "Know one knows what goes on behind closed doors"

mike, moreton says...
10:15am Wed 26 Mar 08

Can this testing procedure not be extended to Wirral Borough Council, as judging from their crap performance, certain council workers are probably on drugs as well.

Mr Bollo, says...
10:17am Wed 26 Mar 08

Jizza, what do you do that is so great, huh? Perhaps we should sack you.

It does explain why they can't seem to put the bins back outside the right houses though.

mike, moreton says...
10:20am Wed 26 Mar 08

*Yawn* Que Mr Bollo......

How can we have faith in the council's policy though of enforcing £100 fines, when many of those emptying the bins are probably high as kite? Because it's just a grubby money-making exercise.

teki's ghost (not the original), Birkenhead says...
10:27am Wed 26 Mar 08

I hear that they're on their way to your workplace next Bollo! Quick, you might still have time to get to the toilet!

John, says...
10:31am Wed 26 Mar 08

Biffa are right to take action. Simple under the influence of drugs and alcohol? Be prepared to get caught, it's that simple.

Jim, Bidston says...
10:46am Wed 26 Mar 08

Although we do not know the circumstances surrounding the dismissals, if they were under the influence of drink or drugs they should be instantly dismissed and the TGWU should support this. There are plenty of unemployed people who would value the chance to do the job (and do it properly). Having a zero tolerance policy is quite correct - after all if a drugged up or drunk bin wagon driver ran over a kid in your street there would be a scandal and a public enquiry. And Yes - being drunk or drugged up can easily lead to something like this and much worse. Instant dismissal in these cases is the only justified option.

jezza, says...
10:49am Wed 26 Mar 08

I was talking about bin collection,not "everything" (Alan Wallasey)Anyway,you speak for yourself,I didn't suffer like you,not everyone was a povo like you,some people used their brains to EARN money. Unlike your average bin collector. And you.

teki's ghost, Birkenhead says...
10:51am Wed 26 Mar 08

well said jezza- sack em all!

Mr Bollo, says...
11:55am Wed 26 Mar 08

*Yawn* Que Mr Bollo......


You still obsessing over me, Mike? Btw, did you mean Cue, Queue, or 'what'??? Please speak more clearly!

Hi Taki Jizzer, keep takin the pills...

HarryBafta, Birkenhead Bus Station says...
12:09pm Wed 26 Mar 08

Bring in the Brave Police dog that Soughted CHAV Annes arm out, I Say

HarryBafta, Birkenhead Bus Station says...
12:12pm Wed 26 Mar 08

That should say "Sorted"

Steve Mac, says...
12:18pm Wed 26 Mar 08

Anyway,you speak for yourself,I didn't suffer like you,not everyone was a povo like you,some people used their brains to EARN money

Ah where would we be without ignorant judgementalism? You're obviously not earning money then.

surprised, says...
12:32pm Wed 26 Mar 08

(I was talking about bin collection,not everything)"Jezza" you included teacher's and copper's in that statement. They have nothing to do do with being dismissed from refuse collection.Have you inside info on ?the police and teacher's striking.Back to the topic.I lean to the dimissal's if the reason being was for drugs and alcohol.

Frank Clark, birkenhead says...
12:49pm Wed 26 Mar 08

Mr Bollo wrote:
*Yawn* Que Mr Bollo......
You still obsessing over me, Mike? Btw, did you mean Cue, Queue, or 'what'??? Please speak more clearly! Hi Taki Jizzer, keep takin the pills...
Mr Bollo, your comments have been noted for being very abusive and disrespectful to other contributors. You also come across as a bit of tit, so could you please refrain from doing so? Thank you sir.

Mr Bollo, says...
2:21pm Wed 26 Mar 08

You also come across as a bit of tit


Franky Taki boy, the words pot and kettle spring to mind.

jezza, says...
4:03pm Wed 26 Mar 08

I work hard for the money,so hard for the money,I work for the money so you better treat me right! Sack the teachers,stick that up your module!

Jack Frost, birkenhead says...
4:55pm Wed 26 Mar 08

Surely if the bin men are on drugs they'd work quicker ! It should be compulsory to take speed, especially during bank holidays when workload increases

HarryBafta, Birkenhead Bus Station says...
6:25pm Wed 26 Mar 08

Jack Frost wrote:
Surely if the bin men are on drugs they'd work quicker ! It should be compulsory to take speed, especially during bank holidays when workload increases
They are on Speed, thats why they got Black Bagged, Binned and Dumped!!!.

BIFFA Employee, Birkenhead says...
8:31pm Wed 26 Mar 08

As a biffa employee it seems that the certain minority of drug and drink abusers are tarnishing what is a good hardworking workforce as a mamber of the t&gwu i can not and will not support the unions stance to condone this activity and as for mr Nelson saying they are not even prepared to ballot tosh! the union rep at the depot Phil Howarth is actively getting names and addresses of wmployees for Mr Nelson to send Ballot papers too Biffa have a policy of zero tolerance on drink and drug abuse and this should be supported and applauded not condoned by the unions how would you feel if a 30 ton bin wagon was involved in an accident and then found the driver was found to be under the influence of drugs or alcohol god forbid if anybody got killed or hurt because then the unions would be baying for blood

Dippy, Wallasey says...
8:51pm Wed 26 Mar 08

I fully supprt what BIFFA employee is saying these chaps do a hard job in all weathers for propably minimum wage and as for the unions stance on drug and alcohol abuse at work this mr Nelson and Howarth should be taken out and flogged i fully support anybody trying to rid the streets of drugs and i would not like to see strike action but i support what BIFFA are trying to do

Ray Rowland, Noctorum says...
9:34pm Wed 26 Mar 08

I agree that when someone commits the offence of being under the influence of drink or drugs they should be punished, but, in all other situations proper tests are carried out and evidence gathered to support the case being made.
Does Biffa carry out such tests, does Biffa have supporting evidence for the action taken against these persons.
I hope so, because if not and they can carry out these dismissals without such evidential support then this could be the thin end of the wedge where any employer could dismiss staff because he "considered" that employee to be under the influence of drink or drugs, simply because that employer wanted that employee out of the way.

HarryBafta, Birkenhead Bus Station says...
9:54pm Wed 26 Mar 08

Ray Rowland wrote:
I agree that when someone commits the offence of being under the influence of drink or drugs they should be punished, but, in all other situations proper tests are carried out and evidence gathered to support the case being made. Does Biffa carry out such tests, does Biffa have supporting evidence for the action taken against these persons. I hope so, because if not and they can carry out these dismissals without such evidential support then this could be the thin end of the wedge where any employer could dismiss staff because he "considered" that employee to be under the influence of drink or drugs, simply because that employer wanted that employee out of the way.
Please read the Article Mr Rowland starting with "After following the proper procedure'.......

Alan, Wallasey says...
11:27pm Wed 26 Mar 08

Jezza you are obviously a child so there is no point in telling you about the 1950's apart from saying that people did have jobs and there were plenty about. You weren't there so you will never understand.

One or two of the comments on here are a bit suspect to say the least. Again I say that the union would not fight for people who have been proven, once again proven to have taken drugs or been drunk on duty. I know it is a conspiracy theory but I wouldn't mind betting Biffa are using their propaganda machine on here as well.

For pity's sake start thinking for yourselves for once and stop believing everything you read in newspapers.

bigfoot, Wirral says...
7:23pm Thu 27 Mar 08

Ah now its all becoming clear. I have a number of marks on the side of my vehicle which coincide with the height of a wheely bin's handles. I thought it was an attempt at the bin chucking championship so they were using performance enhancing drugs. Or is it that my bins were emptied so early in the morning it was on their way back from a night on the tiles.

BIFFA Employee, Birkenhead says...
9:01pm Thu 27 Mar 08

Biffa use an outside agency to perform random drug and alcohol testing these tests are done under the scrutiny of a trained professional and all procedures are followed under BIFFAs drug and alcohol procedures i must add that not all people who have tested positive have been sacked some who have been tested positive but not over the legal limits for alcohol or lower class drugs have had the option of the companys support and as long as they agree to regular testing and zero results are allowed to carry on working i find it very hard that the union does not support this stance but is actively trying to get staff members reinstated when tested positive for large amounts of alcohol or hard drugs i think the management of this company should be congratulated and other companys should follow suit

Jack Frost, berkonio says...
11:13pm Thu 27 Mar 08

Biffa.. you are too evangelistic,

many binmen have taken stimulants for many years, all have done their jobs correctly, and only those who take too many days sick, tell householders to f off or tip a bin over their supervisor should be sacked.

What this policy is now doing is to place these people onto the dole, paid for by you and I.


amazed!!, says...
11:21pm Thu 27 Mar 08

Very interesting debate here.Is there any need for some of the personal remarks aimed at individuals?You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time.

jezza, says...
9:23am Fri 28 Mar 08

So let me get this straight,according to jack "i am gay" frost,short of MURDER,don't sack the lovely bin men? Have I got that right? Because that's what it sounds like to me! Does one of your boyfriends work for biffa jackieboy!

jezza, says...
9:29am Fri 28 Mar 08

To amazed(and I bet you are)there is EVERY need for personal remarks. THE GREATEST DEBATING CHAMBER IN THE WORLD is full of insults. Take more interest in politics(life).

David Beckham, Disney World says...
10:33am Fri 28 Mar 08

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.. and i would just like to say, what an absolute wan*er jezza is.I often read the comments on here, but to get up at alf 9 to slate people on a forum is sad, i reckon he a sad lonely old fella who STILL lives with his mummy, oh wel jizz stain life full of insults.

jezza, says...
11:29am Fri 28 Mar 08

I would defend your right to your opinion till I got bored. And by the way,I think your a sh*t football player,greedy beyond belief and you have a girls voice.

Ray Rowland, Noctorum says...
1:04pm Fri 28 Mar 08

To Harry Bafta I would make the following point the "Biffa Employee" made it far clearer than Biffa did with regard to the random tests being carried out by an outside agency. Now do you see the point I was making

HarryBafta, Birkenhead Bus Station says...
2:29pm Fri 28 Mar 08

Albeit after the event Mr Rowland.

Sir Bob Marley, Jamica says...
2:56pm Fri 28 Mar 08

Jizza, Its true all you do is slate people i have read all your comments you have left. You have gotta be the biggest **** HOLE AROUND.I think the only forum website you should be on is singledates.com you need to get a social life looser!

jezza, says...
3:05pm Fri 28 Mar 08

You dream about ****holes because you live in them! And yes,I do point out peoples shortcomings,It's for their own good. And as for your music,one needs to be stoned to listen to it and get your bl**dy hair cut!

Sir Bob Marley, Jamica says...
3:15pm Fri 28 Mar 08

Proved me point the look how fast you replied to the comment 9 minutes get a life! And i would tell you to get a hair cut but your an old bouldy grump. And if anyones stonned it who eve you been liven with to put up with a toss up like you.

jezza, says...
3:49pm Fri 28 Mar 08

What? That was just gibberish,you can't even spell. Do you know what day it is? If I knew what language your TRYING to speak perhaps we could continue. You retard. You must work for biffa!

jezza, says...
4:24pm Fri 28 Mar 08

Your obviously a product of our "right on" educational system(Another reason to sack teachers). Do you people do anything in school? Apart from "hugging" your teacher because he's your "mate" I presume you all sit down and discuss last nights eastenders? Well god help you in the real world me laddie,unless you become a civil servant that is,ie you "work" for the council(a contradiction in terms)in that case you can just carry on as before,in fact it will get easier! And I have time on my hands because I'm a rich millionaire,my doctor says I should come on here and slag people off to keep my blood pressure down.

amazed!!, says...
6:13pm Fri 28 Mar 08

To Jezza.What goes round comes round.I do take an interest in politics and I do have a life.It appears your's revolves around insulting people.Dont bother to reply to this comment of mine because I wont be coming back on to see any further discussions ,it was quite interesting untill you entered it with stupid banal remarks.

HarryBafta, Birkenhead Bus Station says...
6:44pm Fri 28 Mar 08

Well, Jezza are you Feeling Insecure, or do you Consistantley Deny yourself Access to the Outside World, Oh by the way, is this your HOMEPAGE!!!!, you Sad ...T.

jezza, says...
8:19pm Fri 28 Mar 08

COUNCIL WORKERS!

HarryBafta, Birkenhead Bus Station says...
8:22pm Fri 28 Mar 08

jezza wrote:
COUNCIL WORKERS!
No, Mental Health Worker!.

David Beckham, 118-236 says...
9:48pm Fri 28 Mar 08

jizzum,u av bin found out. leave ur adress an ill send u 10p so u can buy a life! might find 1 on tinternet. sad, pathetic, loser! get a grip and do us all a favour an f**k off 4 good.

Jack Frost, birkenhead says...
10:20pm Fri 28 Mar 08

It looks like all the sacked binmen are leaving messages here, you off your heads or what?

Jezza for PM

Jack Frost, birkenhead says...
11:36pm Fri 28 Mar 08

Maggie, John, Tony, and Gordon.... the collective noun is TW8T

teki's toenails, Birkenhead says...
12:51am Sat 29 Mar 08

Leave Jezza alone, he actually makes some good points, especially all you damm Council Workers!!!

I always knew that they infiltrated this site in order to keep tabes on the abuse being given out to certain council officials. Here's a hint,. satop coming on here, and start serving the people of Wirral instead of making numerous co**-ips and gaffes. That goes as well for members from technical services who have been posting here...haven't you got bins to go and rummage through?

Oh aye and Mr Bollo is a tw**! Sad, pathetic little man- i bet he's eating on his pot noodle as we speak, playing chess with his gay mate nigel!

jezza, says...
9:31am Sat 29 Mar 08

Some of this abuse is outrageous,the language! Obviously teachers. Now behave or you'll get detention. What is it nowadays? 5 minutes? Watch a DVD? Group hug?

David Beckham, USA says...
2:16pm Sat 29 Mar 08

I RETIRE!

David, Wirral says...
9:41pm Sat 29 Mar 08

Unbelievable. When a job requires an immense amount of responsibility such as pushing a bin off a pavement and hooking it onto the back of a bin wagon, and then discarding it on it's side, I find it incredible that these people should be dismissed.
What with increasing demands on the bin men, including not having to pick up bin bags, not taking bins that have ajar lids, being as noisy as possible, and of course the added strain of having to plough through grass verges with their 10 ton wagons, it should be LAW that these hard-working, always pleasant pillars and true winners of the community should be rewarded with a bottle of Diamond White every morning 9if they decide that that day is the one they should empty the bins).

Up the binmen! My road will not be the same without the unpredictable collection times, the randomly emptied bins, and mostly, the happy chaps in the yellow jackets emptying them!

ME, moreton says...
11:56am Sun 30 Mar 08

our bin men do a good job very good in fact there is a lad who works his socks off and has done for many years even when W B C emptied the bins he is a red headed wonder THANKS
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marje, says...
2:40pm Sun 30 Mar 08

As always the minority spoil it for the majority.Those that cast stones must reside in glass house's,or are they oblivious to the greater extent of refuse collection.I would not like to do this job and i bet a few of the male poster's on here would not do the job either,but someone does so let's not paint them all black ay!

Jack Frost, birkenhead says...
4:21pm Sun 30 Mar 08

oh yeah ! when was the last time you saw a black bin man, now they wouldnt need drugs to work hard...

jezza, says...
6:19pm Sun 30 Mar 08

Now you mention it I've never seen one which could be discrimination because I'm sure we would ALL like to see proper representation across the board. In ALL occupations,which means Biffa and the rest should be ACTIVELY promoting recruitment,in fact POSITIVE discimination should be...sod it,I've lost the will to live!

marje, says...
8:53pm Sun 30 Mar 08

Shame on you both JACK FROST AND YOU JEZZA.Why do you take an innocent remark and make it into something sinister, i will certainly report you both for casting innuendoe's and suggesting discrimination.YOU are both a waste of positive attitude.Alas for my innocent remark i sparked off another tide of verbal diarrhoera from sewer outlets you call mouths.NO FURTHER COMMENT FROM MY PERSON TO YOU BOTH."FINI" I deem your comments to be ofensive.

marje, says...
8:55pm Sun 30 Mar 08

I deem your comment's to be offensive

David, Wirral says...
11:36pm Sun 30 Mar 08

Well, I say bring more blacks into the Waste Technician trade! I detest this blatant discrimination!

pierre durand, wirral says...
11:54am Mon 31 Mar 08

What about disabled folk? They could hook bins on the back of wheel chairs...

Adolf, planet x says...
4:16pm Mon 31 Mar 08

Bont bother moaning the fascist elite dont give a toss! they cant make money from stealth taxes if they have an efficient bin collection can they!!! brain washed muppets!!

htid, birkenhead says...
4:33pm Mon 31 Mar 08

1. if you are goin to complain about the way they do there jobs do it yourself being a binman must be a awful job and it is a job that many people look down on!


2. getting a fine for putting the wrong rubbish in the wrong bin is REDICULIOUS! what if a little kid put a sweet wrapper in the wrong bin or a passer by put rubbish in your bin to save littering... we arnt goin to look threw the bin everyday to check that no1 has put anything in it are we? i think the goverment is just running out of ideas to CONTROL and get money off us!!!

MUCCA, muncca@yahoo.com says...
5:25pm Mon 31 Mar 08

AM TERRIFIED BIN STRIKE??? YOU MEAN THEY DONT COLLECT THE RUBBISH?? NO F-U-C-K-ING CHANGE THERE THEN!!!

michael, wirral says...
6:49pm Mon 31 Mar 08

as a biffa employee there are a few things that the other employee who wont leave his name has got wrong all the men and a woman none of them were binmen or hvg drivers they where all of the streets side of it so if you would like to leave your comments please leave your name and get your facts right
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jezza, says...
9:42pm Mon 31 Mar 08

marge,this is you-"teacher! teacher! sir! sir! I saw jenkins smoking sir,yes sir, I did" Think I give a flying sh*t what you think? You old rip!

Jack Frost, birkenhead says...
1:08am Tue 1 Apr 08

Marje,

We all have an opinion, some are valid, all are heard, some right, many wrong


Spiffy, Wallasey says...
11:39am Tue 1 Apr 08

I find it bizarre that the T&GWU will be attempting to defend employees sacked for breaching their contracts in this manner. How exactly is consistent absenteeism and/or turning up for work smashed not grounds for dismissal ?? Really, how lax are the employment laws these days ??

mr bin, bhead says...
5:24pm Wed 2 Apr 08

i wrk for biffa and must explain the drug policy the policy is not implace or written in your contract of employment.this all stems to someone in the work force handing a list of people who take cannabis of a night and ecstacey cocaine @ the weekends week not during work aand only people sacked are street cleaners not binmen the tests they do are urine tests for drugs breath for alcohol. the urine tests only show you have taken drugs but are not telling the comany when you took them so you could have joint the night before get tested next day and be sacked.almost 90% of of work force have seen a member of management to say they do recreational drugs in their own time and they have been told that is not acceptable and they must stop i accept drugs should not be done in work especially in the enviroment of the work done. but to infringe on human rights to say wot you can and cannot do is wrongin your own time

mr bin, bhead says...
5:33pm Wed 2 Apr 08

in answer to those who say there no black lads at biffa u are wrong there is black lads on the streets and on the bins

JIMBOB, says...
8:30am Thu 3 Apr 08

Dear Mr bin. I began reading your first comment,thinking,yes
,this man is genuine,he obviously has no real education and got bored,confused,had to make some tea,half way through.

mr bin, says...
4:59pm Thu 3 Apr 08

JIMBOB dont tar me with your brush u must be doley to be postin @ 08.30 am today get a grip you dont know the facts u T O S S E R

mr bin, bhead says...
7:50pm Thu 3 Apr 08

to u all the outside firm doing the tests is a ex policemen and do you trust the police

JIMBOB, says...
9:25pm Thu 3 Apr 08

That's the spirit! I was actually flying over Tokyo when I posted,I can't remember the exact time. I don't need to know the facts,you call me a doley in an insulting manner when in fact YOUR job is possibly one step up from charity work! You mention human rights because you heard it on T.V. once and I bet you have a stooped back and small head! Trust the police? More than I'd trust you,just to do your job.

mr bin, bhead says...
2:03pm Fri 4 Apr 08

you dont know me i'm out till six most nights doing my job properly 5 days a week so that T O S S E R S like u dont whinge and any round ive been on is the same its only a small minority of rounds that dont finish their wrk.and a holes like you say the whole work force are crap.and i bet you could not do the job all year round in all weather.so wot important job do u do

bigfoot, Wirral says...
3:28pm Fri 4 Apr 08

mr bin wrote:
you dont know me i\'m out till six most nights doing my job properly 5 days a week so that T O S S E R S like u dont whinge and any round ive been on is the same its only a small minority of rounds that dont finish their wrk.and a holes like you say the whole work force are crap.and i bet you could not do the job all year round in all weather.so wot important job do u do
Looks like MENSA has closed early for the weekend!

JIMBOB, says...
4:22pm Fri 4 Apr 08

I could tell you what I do....but then I'd have to kill you.

jack jones, says...
6:53pm Sat 5 Apr 08

michael wrote:
as a biffa employee there are a few things that the other employee who wont leave his name has got wrong all the men and a woman none of them were binmen or hvg drivers they where all of the streets side of it so if you would like to leave your comments please leave your name and get your facts right
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YES THE BIGGEST OFFENDER WAS THE UNION REPS SON AND NOBODY CARED UNTIL HE GOT SACKED

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