Campaigners seek meeting with Tranmere Rovers' new owner over plan to sell former training ground

Wirral planning committee will decide the fate of Ingleborough field

Wirral planning committee will decide the fate of Ingleborough field

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CAMPAIGNERS fighting Tranmere Rovers' plans to sell its former training ground for redevelopment are seeking a meeting with the club's new owner to discuss their concerns over the proposals.

Wirral planning committee will meet on Thursday to consider the League Two club’s application to sell its Ingleborough Road site in Birkenhead, to make way for development of 90 houses.

The scheme - which has been recommended for approval - goes hand-in-hand with a parallel application to create four full-sized football pitches plus one junior academy pitch and one training area on land near the Solar Campus in Leasowe.

A decision on the proposals was deferred by Wirral planning committee last month until site visits had taken place.

Rovers' new owner Mark Palios said last week that plans for the future of the club would be jeopardized if the sale was rejected.

But campaigners have called the plans "disrespectful" to the memories of Wirral soldiers killed in the First World War and hope to discuss their concerns with Mr Palios.

In a statement, campaign group Birkenhead Institute Old Boys said: "It is gratifying that new ownership at Tranmere Rovers has resulted in them finally breaking silence on the need to dispose of the Memorial Fields in this way.

"For the past two years, Peter Johnson has ignored our pleas for consultation and discussion with Birkenhead Institute Old Boys, who hold dear to the example of those of our number who have made the ultimate sacrifice for this Country.

"This is something which has caused a great deal of unnecessary upset.

"Had we had such an opportunity this could have led to other options being considered, in particular particularly in terms of the current inadequate proposals for a Memorial Feature.

"In the new spirit of openness which Mark Palios appears to be bringing to the Club, we hope that he will agree to meet us to enable such discussions to take place with the aim of finding a solution of which we all can be proud."

Mr Palios said last week: "We have already publicly stated that our plans to make Tranmere Rovers Football Club self-sustainable are predicated on two planks.

"One is being a development club and the other is being more than a Football Club, with Rovers becoming a sports hub in the heart of the community.

“If we are unable to follow through on our plans to build a first class academy complex at Solar Campus, the club will find it impossible to provide the adequate training facilities required to retain our prized Category 3 Academy status."

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3:30pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Positive thinker says...

I wouldn't have thought that was on his list of things
to do
I wouldn't have thought that was on his list of things to do Positive thinker
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5:19pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Jack Boot says...

Build on this War Memorial for profit TRFC, may the BI Curse remain with you......
Build on this War Memorial for profit TRFC, may the BI Curse remain with you...... Jack Boot
  • Score: -12

6:27pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Positive thinker says...

It's not a case of if,it's a case of when
It's not a case of if,it's a case of when Positive thinker
  • Score: 1

11:39am Wed 20 Aug 14

freebase says...

after the tragic events of the last week

maybe its bullets and daffodials thats cursed hey

reap what ou sow with your poxes
after the tragic events of the last week maybe its bullets and daffodials thats cursed hey reap what ou sow with your poxes freebase
  • Score: 5

3:23pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Pollexfen says...

Well we couldn't reap anything less that what we already have. Nothing minus nothing is still nothing.
Well we couldn't reap anything less that what we already have. Nothing minus nothing is still nothing. Pollexfen
  • Score: 0

3:37pm Wed 20 Aug 14

freebase says...

quite the dramatist lucy

maybe you should write a play
quite the dramatist lucy maybe you should write a play freebase
  • Score: 0

4:44pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Lurkinhead says...

Hi again Pollexfen,

I'm still a bit confused about your earlier statement in the previous thread:

"First of all to say that I do not need to make any apologies for or on behalf of Dean Johnson who speaks for a sizeable body of people and with whom I share a lot of synergy."


As previously asked, can you clear up for me who Dean Johnson is a spokesman for please? Is he an official spokesman for BIOB or any other group, or are his views merely personal?

The thing is, in view of his his previous behaviour, I think it is important to identify the "sizeable body of people" for whom he speaks, and clarify if all his comments are officially representative of their views, or whether some of his comments are merely his own, and if so, how can these be told apart?

The reason I believe this is important is because, if, as you have previously indicated, BIOB would not exclude Dean Johnson from being involved in any potential talks , given his antics (i.e. a Pox Upon Thine House, Photoshopped War Graves etc), then seriously, why on earth would Mark Palios wish to engage with you, as with respect, under this circumstance, you cannot hope to be taken seriously? You must see that pollexfen, surely?

Assuming, for the sake of argument, that the planning application does go ahead, as we have previously discussed, I would like to think that reasonable discussion between BIOB and TRFC could take place as regards the design, scale & prominence of the proposed memorial, as I believe that is important.

However, it seems to me that you have to decide whether you wish to destroy your own credibility in advance of any potential meeting by withdrawing the "loose cannon" from your ranks, or whether it may be possible to sit down and discuss the issues in a rational manner, without the use of unhelpful language or curses, or futile attempt to claim the moral high ground.

I genuinely wish you well, but you really have to consider making a pragmatic decision to help yourselves on this one Pollexfen, but ultimately that is a matter for you.
Hi again Pollexfen, I'm still a bit confused about your earlier statement in the previous thread: "First of all to say that I do not need to make any apologies for or on behalf of Dean Johnson who speaks for a sizeable body of people and with whom I share a lot of synergy." As previously asked, can you clear up for me who Dean Johnson is a spokesman for please? Is he an official spokesman for BIOB or any other group, or are his views merely personal? The thing is, in view of his his previous behaviour, I think it is important to identify the "sizeable body of people" for whom he speaks, and clarify if all his comments are officially representative of their views, or whether some of his comments are merely his own, and if so, how can these be told apart? The reason I believe this is important is because, if, as you have previously indicated, BIOB would not exclude Dean Johnson from being involved in any potential talks , given his antics (i.e. a Pox Upon Thine House, Photoshopped War Graves etc), then seriously, why on earth would Mark Palios wish to engage with you, as with respect, under this circumstance, you cannot hope to be taken seriously? You must see that pollexfen, surely? Assuming, for the sake of argument, that the planning application does go ahead, as we have previously discussed, I would like to think that reasonable discussion between BIOB and TRFC could take place as regards the design, scale & prominence of the proposed memorial, as I believe that is important. However, it seems to me that you have to decide whether you wish to destroy your own credibility in advance of any potential meeting by withdrawing the "loose cannon" from your ranks, or whether it may be possible to sit down and discuss the issues in a rational manner, without the use of unhelpful language or curses, or futile attempt to claim the moral high ground. I genuinely wish you well, but you really have to consider making a pragmatic decision to help yourselves on this one Pollexfen, but ultimately that is a matter for you. Lurkinhead
  • Score: 3

7:14pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Jack Boot says...

Hi Lurkinhead

You ask many questions, maybe too many, here's two for you, pick one..

Who the hell are you?

or

Who the hell do you think you are?

Your obsession with Dean Johnson's public and private life seems like a convenient distraction from an inconvenient truth.

Whilst I would never ever speak for Pollexfen, he's far more eloquent than me and probably prettier, he does represent a formal organisation, what's your formal position? What gives you the authority to dictate who can attend TRFC meetings?

I'll put my cards on the table, I'm a BI old boy, non affiliated, and a life long TRFC supporter, now lapsed
Hi Lurkinhead You ask many questions, maybe too many, here's two for you, pick one.. Who the hell are you? or Who the hell do you think you are? Your obsession with Dean Johnson's public and private life seems like a convenient distraction from an inconvenient truth. Whilst I would never ever speak for Pollexfen, he's far more eloquent than me and probably prettier, he does represent a formal organisation, what's your formal position? What gives you the authority to dictate who can attend TRFC meetings? I'll put my cards on the table, I'm a BI old boy, non affiliated, and a life long TRFC supporter, now lapsed Jack Boot
  • Score: -7

8:23pm Wed 20 Aug 14

freebase says...

We know you are Dean lovey
We know you are Dean lovey freebase
  • Score: 2

8:55pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Lurkinhead says...

Jack Boot wrote:
Hi Lurkinhead

You ask many questions, maybe too many, here's two for you, pick one..

Who the hell are you?

or

Who the hell do you think you are?

Your obsession with Dean Johnson's public and private life seems like a convenient distraction from an inconvenient truth.

Whilst I would never ever speak for Pollexfen, he's far more eloquent than me and probably prettier, he does represent a formal organisation, what's your formal position? What gives you the authority to dictate who can attend TRFC meetings?

I'll put my cards on the table, I'm a BI old boy, non affiliated, and a life long TRFC supporter, now lapsed
Oh dear Jackboot, you seem a little rattled!

Normally, I wouldn't respond to an internet troll who adds nothing to the debate (evidenced again by your previous contribution to this thread, but seeing as you ask:
a) I am a TRFC supporter, who supports the Ingleborough planning application.
b) I don't think I am anything more than that, and have never claimed to be.
c) There is no "inconvenient truth", just opinion.
d) I have had numerous conversations with Pollexfen (most recently as per the enclosed link), and I agree, he is more eloquent than you, and that you have no mandate to speak for him.
e) At no point have I dictated who can attend meetings. I have, however, suggested to Polloxfen that from his perspective, it may be tactically astute to consider withdrawing Dean Johnson, given that person's previous behaviour.
f) I don't care who you are, or what you claim to be your credentials / allegiances, as your insistence on trolling and relying on hocus pocus, such as curses, to attempt to make your point suggests to me that there is no value in debating the issues with you.


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[quote][p][bold]Jack Boot[/bold] wrote: Hi Lurkinhead You ask many questions, maybe too many, here's two for you, pick one.. Who the hell are you? or Who the hell do you think you are? Your obsession with Dean Johnson's public and private life seems like a convenient distraction from an inconvenient truth. Whilst I would never ever speak for Pollexfen, he's far more eloquent than me and probably prettier, he does represent a formal organisation, what's your formal position? What gives you the authority to dictate who can attend TRFC meetings? I'll put my cards on the table, I'm a BI old boy, non affiliated, and a life long TRFC supporter, now lapsed[/p][/quote]Oh dear Jackboot, you seem a little rattled! Normally, I wouldn't respond to an internet troll who adds nothing to the debate (evidenced again by your previous contribution to this thread, but seeing as you ask: a) I am a TRFC supporter, who supports the Ingleborough planning application. b) I don't think I am anything more than that, and have never claimed to be. c) There is no "inconvenient truth", just opinion. d) I have had numerous conversations with Pollexfen (most recently as per the enclosed link), and I agree, he is more eloquent than you, and that you have no mandate to speak for him. e) At no point have I dictated who can attend meetings. I have, however, suggested to Polloxfen that from his perspective, it may be tactically astute to consider withdrawing Dean Johnson, given that person's previous behaviour. f) I don't care who you are, or what you claim to be your credentials / allegiances, as your insistence on trolling and relying on hocus pocus, such as curses, to attempt to make your point suggests to me that there is no value in debating the issues with you. http://www.wirralglo be.co.uk/news/114125 00.Sale_of_Tranmere_ Rovers__former_train ing_ground_crucial_t o_development_of_spo rts_academy__says_ne w_owner/ Lurkinhead
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11:55am Thu 21 Aug 14

freebase says...

surely Jack should be doning his war paint for his next impromptu peformance in his little shop

just like the beatles on the apple roof i believe !!!!!
surely Jack should be doning his war paint for his next impromptu peformance in his little shop just like the beatles on the apple roof i believe !!!!! freebase
  • Score: 0

12:17pm Thu 21 Aug 14

freebase says...

Birkenhead Institute Whetstone Lane - demolished, site now a primary school and old peoples sheltered housing.

Birkenhead Institute Tollemache Road - demolished, site now a housing estate. Road named after former pupil, not that he ever wentto school at that site.

Birkenhead Institute Ingleborough Road school field - the last site associated with the school, planning permission for a housing estate.

So, three sites around the town, two of which have disappeared, the last which probably will. Unfortunately for Tranmere, there's an emotive tag on the last site, which they are hammering and hammering, in that is suppossed to be a memorial field for those that fell during the Great War.

Now, have you noticed that at no stage at all during these preceedings, have those that fell during the 2nd World War ever been considered or mentioned. The Old Boys don't seem to be bothered about them, they've never mentioned, and until prompted, 'pollexfen' was the first to actually name them, and in doing so, didn't name the fabled 88, it was 85 with one possible extra.

They still harp on about the 88 Poplar trees, ignoring the fact that neither are the trees round the field Poplars, there aren't 88 of them either. (The trees are around 30/40 years old, and some have been badly planted which would indicate that the fabled Poplars were changed while that field was still owned by BI!)

There appears to be no 'absolute' proof outside of what the school have said, that this field was ever a war memorial. Those that campaign agasint Tranmere have yet to proof, without question, that it is. Yet, at this time, it's an emotive subject. And it gives them an angle. They tell us that it'll bring shame to the Wirral, and you'd think that they've such a ground sweel of support. But when Johnson held a remembrance service there a couple of years back, you'd expect a good couple of hundred old boys to turn up wouldn't you, as we're told it plays such a pivotal role in their lives and school years. I make that just 12, including the photographer! http://www.wilfredow
enstory.com/imag...m
embrance2.jpg

One of their other points is that the arch over the gates has been removed, and no one knows where to. Apparently, the club have said it was in a dangerous condition, and it needed to be removed. You'd think this arch would state "Ingleborough Road Memorial Field" or something along those lines, but the reality, especially in later years, was that it just said "Birkenhead Institute" https://www.flickr.c
om/photos/birken...t
e/4855831523/ (There is also this, but it appears to be a drawing rather than a photograph, but where there further bits to the archway? https://www.flickr.c
om/photos/birken...t
e/4856454342/)

My gut instinct is that their campaign is given an emotive angle, but it's really about losing the last bit of their school, and nothing more.
Birkenhead Institute Whetstone Lane - demolished, site now a primary school and old peoples sheltered housing. Birkenhead Institute Tollemache Road - demolished, site now a housing estate. Road named after former pupil, not that he ever wentto school at that site. Birkenhead Institute Ingleborough Road school field - the last site associated with the school, planning permission for a housing estate. So, three sites around the town, two of which have disappeared, the last which probably will. Unfortunately for Tranmere, there's an emotive tag on the last site, which they are hammering and hammering, in that is suppossed to be a memorial field for those that fell during the Great War. Now, have you noticed that at no stage at all during these preceedings, have those that fell during the 2nd World War ever been considered or mentioned. The Old Boys don't seem to be bothered about them, they've never mentioned, and until prompted, 'pollexfen' was the first to actually name them, and in doing so, didn't name the fabled 88, it was 85 with one possible extra. They still harp on about the 88 Poplar trees, ignoring the fact that neither are the trees round the field Poplars, there aren't 88 of them either. (The trees are around 30/40 years old, and some have been badly planted which would indicate that the fabled Poplars were changed while that field was still owned by BI!) There appears to be no 'absolute' proof outside of what the school have said, that this field was ever a war memorial. Those that campaign agasint Tranmere have yet to proof, without question, that it is. Yet, at this time, it's an emotive subject. And it gives them an angle. They tell us that it'll bring shame to the Wirral, and you'd think that they've such a ground sweel of support. But when Johnson held a remembrance service there a couple of years back, you'd expect a good couple of hundred old boys to turn up wouldn't you, as we're told it plays such a pivotal role in their lives and school years. I make that just 12, including the photographer! http://www.wilfredow enstory.com/imag...m embrance2.jpg One of their other points is that the arch over the gates has been removed, and no one knows where to. Apparently, the club have said it was in a dangerous condition, and it needed to be removed. You'd think this arch would state "Ingleborough Road Memorial Field" or something along those lines, but the reality, especially in later years, was that it just said "Birkenhead Institute" https://www.flickr.c om/photos/birken...t e/4855831523/ (There is also this, but it appears to be a drawing rather than a photograph, but where there further bits to the archway? https://www.flickr.c om/photos/birken...t e/4856454342/) My gut instinct is that their campaign is given an emotive angle, but it's really about losing the last bit of their school, and nothing more. freebase
  • Score: 2
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