Circus protestors say they are there to educate, not scare

Protestor Lilian Chapman, pictured right.

Protestor Lilian Chapman, pictured right.

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PROTESTORS have defended their decision to demonstrate outside a travelling circus that has caused uproar in Wirral.

Peter Jolly’s Traditional Circus pitched up in Upton on July 23 for a series of shows featuring lions and tigers.

Since its arrival, protests have been held outside the showground in Saughall Massie Road and social networking sites have flooded with angry comments.

Campaigners protesting against the use of animals have been turning up at the site on a daily basis with placards before shows.

Anthony Beckwith, speaking on behalf of circus owner Peter Jolly, told the Globe that some of those protesting had been making threats towards circus staff, while others were said to be “upsetting children”.

Police were called to the showground last month following reports that a hooded man had climbed the fence and was abusing staff.

But while patrols have been stepped up in the area while the circus remains in town, a spokesman for the force said they have not been called to any “serious or critical” incidents involving the venue.

One of the campaigners, Lilian Chapman, today defended the peaceful protests.

She said: “We are not there to stop people making a living, we’re not there to scare children, we’re just there to educate people that wild animals are not for entertainment.

“Everything we are doing is for the welfare of the animals and we are doing it for the right reasons.

“If that circus was to turn around and say it was going to stop using animals and use humans instead, then long may they continue – we don’t want to close the business down. We just want to make sure they are doing the right thing.”

The circus has defended its use of animals in its performances.

Mr Beckwith said: “We don’t have animals from the wild, they are all bred within the industry. Our lions are British-born from several generations.

“If the lions didn’t receive full care we would not be able to have them in the show.

“There are people who have genuine concerns about how the animals are treated and we have an open-door policy to help calm their fears.”

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4:11pm Wed 6 Aug 14

just say no says...

good on the protestors, this circusis a disgrace to the decent folk of the wirral. i wish the public would stop funding their captivity to perform pointless tricks for cheap kicks. shame on the farmer who is hosting this shallow event too.
good on the protestors, this circusis a disgrace to the decent folk of the wirral. i wish the public would stop funding their captivity to perform pointless tricks for cheap kicks. shame on the farmer who is hosting this shallow event too. just say no
  • Score: 23

4:16pm Wed 6 Aug 14

just say no says...

in 2013 this circus killed a healthy tiger and snake.

anthony beckwith - this is why people do it to stop your death circus. here is the report archived for your disgusting tented filth.

http://www.captivean
imals.org/news/2014/
02/three-wild-animal
s-died-in-english-ci
rcuses-in-last-year

do not visit - do not fund
in 2013 this circus killed a healthy tiger and snake. anthony beckwith - this is why people do it to stop your death circus. here is the report archived for your disgusting tented filth. http://www.captivean imals.org/news/2014/ 02/three-wild-animal s-died-in-english-ci rcuses-in-last-year do not visit - do not fund just say no
  • Score: 9

4:59pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Positive thinker says...

Get over it
Get over it Positive thinker
  • Score: -22

5:25pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Lee.Waddi says...

A healthy tiger, really?

The tiger, Neeka, was euthanised following the diagnoses of carcinoma (cancer)
A healthy tiger, really? The tiger, Neeka, was euthanised following the diagnoses of carcinoma (cancer) Lee.Waddi
  • Score: 16

6:25pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Lee.Waddi says...

Do you educate about the about the Government regulations that the circus has to adhere to and that they operate above par with conditions superior to these regulations and that they have regular visits from vets, who agree that all the animals are in top health and suffering no distress.
Do you educate about the about the Government regulations that the circus has to adhere to and that they operate above par with conditions superior to these regulations and that they have regular visits from vets, who agree that all the animals are in top health and suffering no distress. Lee.Waddi
  • Score: -17

7:06pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Willo72 says...

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do?

The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!!

Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed!

"Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment!

Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked.

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!
PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do? The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!! Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed! "Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment! Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked. PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! Willo72
  • Score: -22

8:17pm Wed 6 Aug 14

unknown1992 says...

Willo72 wrote:
PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do?

The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!!

Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed!

"Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment!

Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked.

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!
the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do

the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them

we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either
[quote][p][bold]Willo72[/bold] wrote: PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do? The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!! Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed! "Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment! Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked. PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA![/p][/quote]the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either unknown1992
  • Score: 13

8:42pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Rudebox says...

Willo72 wrote:
PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do?

The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!!

Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed!

"Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment!

Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked.

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!
Hello Kekki ;)
[quote][p][bold]Willo72[/bold] wrote: PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do? The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!! Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed! "Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment! Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked. PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA![/p][/quote]Hello Kekki ;) Rudebox
  • Score: -2

8:43pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Lee.Waddi says...

unknown1992 wrote:
Willo72 wrote:
PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do?

The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!!

Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed!

"Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment!

Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked.

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!
the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do

the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them

we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either
Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals.
[quote][p][bold]unknown1992[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willo72[/bold] wrote: PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do? The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!! Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed! "Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment! Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked. PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA![/p][/quote]the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either[/p][/quote]Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals. Lee.Waddi
  • Score: 0

9:02pm Wed 6 Aug 14

kelly ✌ says...

If I was to have the basics such as food water and shelter! Then made to perform tricks that felt unnatural to me. If I was to have heightened senses (which they do) and made to perform with very loud music,lights and a man around bellowing into a microphone!! I DONT think I would be happy at all! My point is that just because its checked and there not paddling in there own poo and wee and fed does that mean its ok? That there happy? They should be able to run up against the trees and climb them. Be outside basking in the sun all day.not made to perform an be caged up to travel around the country for hours on end!! This is no life for them and deep down I think even the circus must know this if they truly thought about it!!
If I was to have the basics such as food water and shelter! Then made to perform tricks that felt unnatural to me. If I was to have heightened senses (which they do) and made to perform with very loud music,lights and a man around bellowing into a microphone!! I DONT think I would be happy at all! My point is that just because its checked and there not paddling in there own poo and wee and fed does that mean its ok? That there happy? They should be able to run up against the trees and climb them. Be outside basking in the sun all day.not made to perform an be caged up to travel around the country for hours on end!! This is no life for them and deep down I think even the circus must know this if they truly thought about it!! kelly ✌
  • Score: 14

9:48pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Lin Harrison says...

Circus guidelines, what a joke! You mean the code of practice prepared by none other than David Hibling from Zippos circus. that is what DEFRA uses for circus guidelines. Mr Hibling was Mary chipperfields defence witness in court when she was charged with 12 charges of animal cruelty. Hibling was shown 3 videos of Mary chipperfield beating up her chimpanzee and was asked in court : do you see anything which constitutes animal cruelty, he replied no!!! And in court said he would train the same way!!!!! this is the,man who wrote your guidelines, DISGUSTING
Circus guidelines, what a joke! You mean the code of practice prepared by none other than David Hibling from Zippos circus. that is what DEFRA uses for circus guidelines. Mr Hibling was Mary chipperfields defence witness in court when she was charged with 12 charges of animal cruelty. Hibling was shown 3 videos of Mary chipperfield beating up her chimpanzee and was asked in court : do you see anything which constitutes animal cruelty, he replied no!!! And in court said he would train the same way!!!!! this is the,man who wrote your guidelines, DISGUSTING Lin Harrison
  • Score: 11

9:53pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Lee.Waddi says...

This a quote from DEFRA, The Department for Environment, Food & Rural Affairs which is the government. These are the experts in this field;

"after reviewing the available scientific evidence submitted, ‘there appears to be little evidence to demonstrate that the welfare of animals kept in travelling circuses is any better or worse than that of animals kept in other captive environments’. "

DEFRA can not find any scientific evidence to support imposing a ban on wild animals in a travelling circus,
This a quote from DEFRA, The Department for Environment, Food & Rural Affairs which is the government. These are the experts in this field; "after reviewing the available scientific evidence submitted, ‘there appears to be little evidence to demonstrate that the welfare of animals kept in travelling circuses is any better or worse than that of animals kept in other captive environments’. " DEFRA can not find any scientific evidence to support imposing a ban on wild animals in a travelling circus, Lee.Waddi
  • Score: -13

10:05pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Lee.Waddi says...

Lin Harrison wrote:
Circus guidelines, what a joke! You mean the code of practice prepared by none other than David Hibling from Zippos circus. that is what DEFRA uses for circus guidelines. Mr Hibling was Mary chipperfields defence witness in court when she was charged with 12 charges of animal cruelty. Hibling was shown 3 videos of Mary chipperfield beating up her chimpanzee and was asked in court : do you see anything which constitutes animal cruelty, he replied no!!! And in court said he would train the same way!!!!! this is the,man who wrote your guidelines, DISGUSTING
I think you'll find your mistaken, I believe you are talking about the Animal Welfare Act 2006, which has now been replaced by the Welfare of Wild Animals in Travelling Circuses act 2012.
[quote][p][bold]Lin Harrison[/bold] wrote: Circus guidelines, what a joke! You mean the code of practice prepared by none other than David Hibling from Zippos circus. that is what DEFRA uses for circus guidelines. Mr Hibling was Mary chipperfields defence witness in court when she was charged with 12 charges of animal cruelty. Hibling was shown 3 videos of Mary chipperfield beating up her chimpanzee and was asked in court : do you see anything which constitutes animal cruelty, he replied no!!! And in court said he would train the same way!!!!! this is the,man who wrote your guidelines, DISGUSTING[/p][/quote]I think you'll find your mistaken, I believe you are talking about the Animal Welfare Act 2006, which has now been replaced by the Welfare of Wild Animals in Travelling Circuses act 2012. Lee.Waddi
  • Score: 4

11:31pm Wed 6 Aug 14

just say no says...

this is what the truth is about the dead tiger not what "sexy circus boy" writes on forums for his boss.

8th August 2013-Government inspector: "tigers appeared to be in “excellent condition” and that none “had signs of illness” when they arrived at the circus"

10 weeks later the healthy tiger was dead. FACT. hmmmm

tiger killers + snake killers = jolly circus. not so jolly really is it if your one of the performers!

PS "SEXY CIRCUS BOYS" IS A FACEBOOK GROUP SOME OF JOLLYS STAFF BELONG TO LOL ;-)
this is what the truth is about the dead tiger not what "sexy circus boy" [haha] writes on forums for his boss. 8th August 2013-Government inspector: "tigers appeared to be in “excellent condition” and that none “had signs of illness” when they arrived at the circus" 10 weeks later the healthy tiger was dead. FACT. hmmmm tiger killers + snake killers = jolly circus. not so jolly really is it if your one of the performers! PS "SEXY CIRCUS BOYS" IS A FACEBOOK GROUP SOME OF JOLLYS STAFF BELONG TO LOL ;-) just say no
  • Score: 13

11:32pm Wed 6 Aug 14

just say no says...

DO NOT SUPPORT THE ANIMALS CAPTIVITY - BOYCOTT JOLLYS CLOWNS

DO NOT SUPPORT THE ANIMALS CAPTIVITY - BOYCOTT JOLLYS CLOWNS

DO NOT SUPPORT THE ANIMALS CAPTIVITY - BOYCOTT JOLLYS CLOWNS
DO NOT SUPPORT THE ANIMALS CAPTIVITY - BOYCOTT JOLLYS CLOWNS DO NOT SUPPORT THE ANIMALS CAPTIVITY - BOYCOTT JOLLYS CLOWNS DO NOT SUPPORT THE ANIMALS CAPTIVITY - BOYCOTT JOLLYS CLOWNS just say no
  • Score: 8

12:23am Thu 7 Aug 14

lilianc says...

Lee.Waddi wrote:
unknown1992 wrote:
Willo72 wrote:
PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do?

The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!!

Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed!

"Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment!

Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked.

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!
the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do

the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them

we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either
Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals.
Then how come Chester Zoo has been voted best in Europe!!!??
[quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]unknown1992[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willo72[/bold] wrote: PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do? The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!! Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed! "Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment! Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked. PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA![/p][/quote]the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either[/p][/quote]Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals.[/p][/quote]Then how come Chester Zoo has been voted best in Europe!!!?? lilianc
  • Score: 2

1:09am Thu 7 Aug 14

Lee.Waddi says...

just say no wrote:
this is what the truth is about the dead tiger not what "sexy circus boy" writes on forums for his boss.

8th August 2013-Government inspector: "tigers appeared to be in “excellent condition” and that none “had signs of illness” when they arrived at the circus"

10 weeks later the healthy tiger was dead. FACT. hmmmm

tiger killers + snake killers = jolly circus. not so jolly really is it if your one of the performers!

PS "SEXY CIRCUS BOYS" IS A FACEBOOK GROUP SOME OF JOLLYS STAFF BELONG TO LOL ;-)
Unfortunately cancer can be a very quick killer, going from first symptoms to diagnoses to death in a matter of weeks.
[quote][p][bold]just say no[/bold] wrote: this is what the truth is about the dead tiger not what "sexy circus boy" [haha] writes on forums for his boss. 8th August 2013-Government inspector: "tigers appeared to be in “excellent condition” and that none “had signs of illness” when they arrived at the circus" 10 weeks later the healthy tiger was dead. FACT. hmmmm tiger killers + snake killers = jolly circus. not so jolly really is it if your one of the performers! PS "SEXY CIRCUS BOYS" IS A FACEBOOK GROUP SOME OF JOLLYS STAFF BELONG TO LOL ;-)[/p][/quote]Unfortunately cancer can be a very quick killer, going from first symptoms to diagnoses to death in a matter of weeks. Lee.Waddi
  • Score: 3

2:11am Thu 7 Aug 14

Lee.Waddi says...

lilianc wrote:
Lee.Waddi wrote:
unknown1992 wrote:
Willo72 wrote:
PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do?

The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!!

Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed!

"Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment!

Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked.

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!
the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do

the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them

we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either
Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals.
Then how come Chester Zoo has been voted best in Europe!!!??
Well done chester zoo, but I fail to see how this is providing any evidence of animals being beaten at Peter Jolly's Circus.
[quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]unknown1992[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willo72[/bold] wrote: PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do? The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!! Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed! "Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment! Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked. PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA![/p][/quote]the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either[/p][/quote]Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals.[/p][/quote]Then how come Chester Zoo has been voted best in Europe!!!??[/p][/quote]Well done chester zoo, but I fail to see how this is providing any evidence of animals being beaten at Peter Jolly's Circus. Lee.Waddi
  • Score: 0

8:18am Thu 7 Aug 14

lilianc says...

Lee.Waddi wrote:
lilianc wrote:
Lee.Waddi wrote:
unknown1992 wrote:
Willo72 wrote:
PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do?

The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!!

Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed!

"Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment!

Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked.

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!
the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do

the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them

we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either
Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals.
Then how come Chester Zoo has been voted best in Europe!!!??
Well done chester zoo, but I fail to see how this is providing any evidence of animals being beaten at Peter Jolly's Circus.
Give us evidence of the training methods!
[quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]unknown1992[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willo72[/bold] wrote: PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do? The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!! Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed! "Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment! Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked. PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA![/p][/quote]the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either[/p][/quote]Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals.[/p][/quote]Then how come Chester Zoo has been voted best in Europe!!!??[/p][/quote]Well done chester zoo, but I fail to see how this is providing any evidence of animals being beaten at Peter Jolly's Circus.[/p][/quote]Give us evidence of the training methods! lilianc
  • Score: 7

8:21am Thu 7 Aug 14

lilianc says...

Lee.Waddi wrote:
just say no wrote:
this is what the truth is about the dead tiger not what "sexy circus boy" writes on forums for his boss.

8th August 2013-Government inspector: "tigers appeared to be in “excellent condition” and that none “had signs of illness” when they arrived at the circus"

10 weeks later the healthy tiger was dead. FACT. hmmmm

tiger killers + snake killers = jolly circus. not so jolly really is it if your one of the performers!

PS "SEXY CIRCUS BOYS" IS A FACEBOOK GROUP SOME OF JOLLYS STAFF BELONG TO LOL ;-)
Unfortunately cancer can be a very quick killer, going from first symptoms to diagnoses to death in a matter of weeks.
Could have been stress related Cancer! the way it was caged up and made to perform could have brought on Any number if health problem s
[quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]just say no[/bold] wrote: this is what the truth is about the dead tiger not what "sexy circus boy" [haha] writes on forums for his boss. 8th August 2013-Government inspector: "tigers appeared to be in “excellent condition” and that none “had signs of illness” when they arrived at the circus" 10 weeks later the healthy tiger was dead. FACT. hmmmm tiger killers + snake killers = jolly circus. not so jolly really is it if your one of the performers! PS "SEXY CIRCUS BOYS" IS A FACEBOOK GROUP SOME OF JOLLYS STAFF BELONG TO LOL ;-)[/p][/quote]Unfortunately cancer can be a very quick killer, going from first symptoms to diagnoses to death in a matter of weeks.[/p][/quote]Could have been stress related Cancer! the way it was caged up and made to perform could have brought on Any number if health problem s lilianc
  • Score: -2

8:24am Thu 7 Aug 14

lilianc says...

Lee.Waddi wrote:
just say no wrote:
this is what the truth is about the dead tiger not what "sexy circus boy" writes on forums for his boss.

8th August 2013-Government inspector: "tigers appeared to be in “excellent condition” and that none “had signs of illness” when they arrived at the circus"

10 weeks later the healthy tiger was dead. FACT. hmmmm

tiger killers + snake killers = jolly circus. not so jolly really is it if your one of the performers!

PS "SEXY CIRCUS BOYS" IS A FACEBOOK GROUP SOME OF JOLLYS STAFF BELONG TO LOL ;-)
Unfortunately cancer can be a very quick killer, going from first symptoms to diagnoses to death in a matter of weeks.
Stress can cause cancer.....the animal could have been stressed living in UN natural surroundings!
[quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]just say no[/bold] wrote: this is what the truth is about the dead tiger not what "sexy circus boy" [haha] writes on forums for his boss. 8th August 2013-Government inspector: "tigers appeared to be in “excellent condition” and that none “had signs of illness” when they arrived at the circus" 10 weeks later the healthy tiger was dead. FACT. hmmmm tiger killers + snake killers = jolly circus. not so jolly really is it if your one of the performers! PS "SEXY CIRCUS BOYS" IS A FACEBOOK GROUP SOME OF JOLLYS STAFF BELONG TO LOL ;-)[/p][/quote]Unfortunately cancer can be a very quick killer, going from first symptoms to diagnoses to death in a matter of weeks.[/p][/quote]Stress can cause cancer.....the animal could have been stressed living in UN natural surroundings! lilianc
  • Score: 0

8:26am Thu 7 Aug 14

lilianc says...

lilianc wrote:
Lee.Waddi wrote:
lilianc wrote:
Lee.Waddi wrote:
unknown1992 wrote:
Willo72 wrote:
PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do?

The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!!

Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed!

"Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment!

Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked.

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!
the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do

the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them

we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either
Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals.
Then how come Chester Zoo has been voted best in Europe!!!??
Well done chester zoo, but I fail to see how this is providing any evidence of animals being beaten at Peter Jolly's Circus.
Give us evidence of the training methods!
Can you give us evidence that the training methods do NOT INVOLVE ANY SORT of punishment!!! Bet you can't !
[quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]unknown1992[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willo72[/bold] wrote: PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do? The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!! Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed! "Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment! Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked. PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA![/p][/quote]the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either[/p][/quote]Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals.[/p][/quote]Then how come Chester Zoo has been voted best in Europe!!!??[/p][/quote]Well done chester zoo, but I fail to see how this is providing any evidence of animals being beaten at Peter Jolly's Circus.[/p][/quote]Give us evidence of the training methods![/p][/quote]Can you give us evidence that the training methods do NOT INVOLVE ANY SORT of punishment!!! Bet you can't ! lilianc
  • Score: 0

8:31am Thu 7 Aug 14

lilianc says...

Lee.Waddi wrote:
lilianc wrote:
Lee.Waddi wrote:
unknown1992 wrote:
Willo72 wrote:
PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do?

The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!!

Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed!

"Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment!

Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked.

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!
the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do

the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them

we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either
Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals.
Then how come Chester Zoo has been voted best in Europe!!!??
Well done chester zoo, but I fail to see how this is providing any evidence of animals being beaten at Peter Jolly's Circus.
Give us clear EVIDENCE that the animals are not subjected to Any sort of painfull training!! ......forcing llamas to lie down while horseshoe over them must be TERRIFYING for the LLAMAS! You tell me that's not cruel!
[quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]unknown1992[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willo72[/bold] wrote: PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do? The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!! Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed! "Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment! Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked. PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA![/p][/quote]the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either[/p][/quote]Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals.[/p][/quote]Then how come Chester Zoo has been voted best in Europe!!!??[/p][/quote]Well done chester zoo, but I fail to see how this is providing any evidence of animals being beaten at Peter Jolly's Circus.[/p][/quote]Give us clear EVIDENCE that the animals are not subjected to Any sort of painfull training!! ......forcing llamas to lie down while horseshoe over them must be TERRIFYING for the LLAMAS! You tell me that's not cruel! lilianc
  • Score: -2

8:34am Thu 7 Aug 14

lilianc says...

Tell you what is BAD!!...the disgustingly awful face painting they do on the kids!!!
As a professional face painter myself ....their standard of work is a disgrace!
Tell you what is BAD!!...the disgustingly awful face painting they do on the kids!!! As a professional face painter myself ....their standard of work is a disgrace! lilianc
  • Score: -1

9:09am Thu 7 Aug 14

Lee.Waddi says...

lilianc wrote:
Lee.Waddi wrote:
lilianc wrote:
Lee.Waddi wrote:
unknown1992 wrote:
Willo72 wrote:
PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do?

The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!!

Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed!

"Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment!

Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked.

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!
the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do

the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them

we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either
Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals.
Then how come Chester Zoo has been voted best in Europe!!!??
Well done chester zoo, but I fail to see how this is providing any evidence of animals being beaten at Peter Jolly's Circus.
Give us clear EVIDENCE that the animals are not subjected to Any sort of painfull training!! ......forcing llamas to lie down while horseshoe over them must be TERRIFYING for the LLAMAS! You tell me that's not cruel!
I'm not asking for your opinion on what is classified as cruel. I'm asking for evidence of animal beating.
[quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]unknown1992[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willo72[/bold] wrote: PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do? The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!! Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed! "Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment! Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked. PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA![/p][/quote]the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either[/p][/quote]Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals.[/p][/quote]Then how come Chester Zoo has been voted best in Europe!!!??[/p][/quote]Well done chester zoo, but I fail to see how this is providing any evidence of animals being beaten at Peter Jolly's Circus.[/p][/quote]Give us clear EVIDENCE that the animals are not subjected to Any sort of painfull training!! ......forcing llamas to lie down while horseshoe over them must be TERRIFYING for the LLAMAS! You tell me that's not cruel![/p][/quote]I'm not asking for your opinion on what is classified as cruel. I'm asking for evidence of animal beating. Lee.Waddi
  • Score: -1

9:17am Thu 7 Aug 14

Lee.Waddi says...

lilianc wrote:
lilianc wrote:
Lee.Waddi wrote:
lilianc wrote:
Lee.Waddi wrote:
unknown1992 wrote:
Willo72 wrote:
PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do?

The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!!

Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed!

"Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment!

Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked.

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!
the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do

the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them

we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either
Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals.
Then how come Chester Zoo has been voted best in Europe!!!??
Well done chester zoo, but I fail to see how this is providing any evidence of animals being beaten at Peter Jolly's Circus.
Give us evidence of the training methods!
Can you give us evidence that the training methods do NOT INVOLVE ANY SORT of punishment!!! Bet you can't !
http://youtu.be/im6e
qiK766Y
[quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]unknown1992[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willo72[/bold] wrote: PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do? The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!! Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed! "Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment! Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked. PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA![/p][/quote]the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either[/p][/quote]Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals.[/p][/quote]Then how come Chester Zoo has been voted best in Europe!!!??[/p][/quote]Well done chester zoo, but I fail to see how this is providing any evidence of animals being beaten at Peter Jolly's Circus.[/p][/quote]Give us evidence of the training methods![/p][/quote]Can you give us evidence that the training methods do NOT INVOLVE ANY SORT of punishment!!! Bet you can't ![/p][/quote]http://youtu.be/im6e qiK766Y Lee.Waddi
  • Score: -1

9:19am Thu 7 Aug 14

lilianc says...

Lee.Waddi wrote:
lilianc wrote:
Lee.Waddi wrote:
lilianc wrote:
Lee.Waddi wrote:
unknown1992 wrote:
Willo72 wrote:
PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do?

The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!!

Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed!

"Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment!

Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked.

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!
the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do

the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them

we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either
Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals.
Then how come Chester Zoo has been voted best in Europe!!!??
Well done chester zoo, but I fail to see how this is providing any evidence of animals being beaten at Peter Jolly's Circus.
Give us clear EVIDENCE that the animals are not subjected to Any sort of painfull training!! ......forcing llamas to lie down while horseshoe over them must be TERRIFYING for the LLAMAS! You tell me that's not cruel!
I'm not asking for your opinion on what is classified as cruel. I'm asking for evidence of animal beating.
That is NOT MY OPINION..it's FACT!!
You give me picture evidence of the training procedures. Then I'll tell you! Lol
[quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]unknown1992[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willo72[/bold] wrote: PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do? The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!! Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed! "Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment! Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked. PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA![/p][/quote]the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either[/p][/quote]Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals.[/p][/quote]Then how come Chester Zoo has been voted best in Europe!!!??[/p][/quote]Well done chester zoo, but I fail to see how this is providing any evidence of animals being beaten at Peter Jolly's Circus.[/p][/quote]Give us clear EVIDENCE that the animals are not subjected to Any sort of painfull training!! ......forcing llamas to lie down while horseshoe over them must be TERRIFYING for the LLAMAS! You tell me that's not cruel![/p][/quote]I'm not asking for your opinion on what is classified as cruel. I'm asking for evidence of animal beating.[/p][/quote]That is NOT MY OPINION..it's FACT!! You give me picture evidence of the training procedures. Then I'll tell you! Lol lilianc
  • Score: -1

9:19am Thu 7 Aug 14

Lee.Waddi says...

In a court of law, you have to prove an unlawful act has been committed, not prove it hasn't, innocent until proven guilty. Reminds me of a witch hunt.
In a court of law, you have to prove an unlawful act has been committed, not prove it hasn't, innocent until proven guilty. Reminds me of a witch hunt. Lee.Waddi
  • Score: -1

9:50am Thu 7 Aug 14

Lee.Waddi says...

lilianc wrote:
Lee.Waddi wrote:
lilianc wrote:
Lee.Waddi wrote:
lilianc wrote:
Lee.Waddi wrote:
unknown1992 wrote:
Willo72 wrote:
PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do?

The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!!

Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed!

"Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment!

Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked.

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!
the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do

the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them

we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either
Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals.
Then how come Chester Zoo has been voted best in Europe!!!??
Well done chester zoo, but I fail to see how this is providing any evidence of animals being beaten at Peter Jolly's Circus.
Give us clear EVIDENCE that the animals are not subjected to Any sort of painfull training!! ......forcing llamas to lie down while horseshoe over them must be TERRIFYING for the LLAMAS! You tell me that's not cruel!
I'm not asking for your opinion on what is classified as cruel. I'm asking for evidence of animal beating.
That is NOT MY OPINION..it's FACT!!
You give me picture evidence of the training procedures. Then I'll tell you! Lol
I've just provided a you tube link that shows the training methods.
[quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]unknown1992[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willo72[/bold] wrote: PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do? The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!! Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed! "Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment! Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked. PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA![/p][/quote]the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either[/p][/quote]Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals.[/p][/quote]Then how come Chester Zoo has been voted best in Europe!!!??[/p][/quote]Well done chester zoo, but I fail to see how this is providing any evidence of animals being beaten at Peter Jolly's Circus.[/p][/quote]Give us clear EVIDENCE that the animals are not subjected to Any sort of painfull training!! ......forcing llamas to lie down while horseshoe over them must be TERRIFYING for the LLAMAS! You tell me that's not cruel![/p][/quote]I'm not asking for your opinion on what is classified as cruel. I'm asking for evidence of animal beating.[/p][/quote]That is NOT MY OPINION..it's FACT!! You give me picture evidence of the training procedures. Then I'll tell you! Lol[/p][/quote]I've just provided a you tube link that shows the training methods. Lee.Waddi
  • Score: -3

10:01am Thu 7 Aug 14

lilianc says...

Lee.Waddi wrote:
lilianc wrote:
Lee.Waddi wrote:
lilianc wrote:
Lee.Waddi wrote:
lilianc wrote:
Lee.Waddi wrote:
unknown1992 wrote:
Willo72 wrote:
PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do?

The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!!

Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed!

"Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment!

Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked.

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!
the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do

the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them

we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either
Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals.
Then how come Chester Zoo has been voted best in Europe!!!??
Well done chester zoo, but I fail to see how this is providing any evidence of animals being beaten at Peter Jolly's Circus.
Give us clear EVIDENCE that the animals are not subjected to Any sort of painfull training!! ......forcing llamas to lie down while horseshoe over them must be TERRIFYING for the LLAMAS! You tell me that's not cruel!
I'm not asking for your opinion on what is classified as cruel. I'm asking for evidence of animal beating.
That is NOT MY OPINION..it's FACT!!
You give me picture evidence of the training procedures. Then I'll tell you! Lol
I've just provided a you tube link that shows the training methods.
wheres the link?
[quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]unknown1992[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willo72[/bold] wrote: PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do? The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!! Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed! "Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment! Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked. PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA![/p][/quote]the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either[/p][/quote]Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals.[/p][/quote]Then how come Chester Zoo has been voted best in Europe!!!??[/p][/quote]Well done chester zoo, but I fail to see how this is providing any evidence of animals being beaten at Peter Jolly's Circus.[/p][/quote]Give us clear EVIDENCE that the animals are not subjected to Any sort of painfull training!! ......forcing llamas to lie down while horseshoe over them must be TERRIFYING for the LLAMAS! You tell me that's not cruel![/p][/quote]I'm not asking for your opinion on what is classified as cruel. I'm asking for evidence of animal beating.[/p][/quote]That is NOT MY OPINION..it's FACT!! You give me picture evidence of the training procedures. Then I'll tell you! Lol[/p][/quote]I've just provided a you tube link that shows the training methods.[/p][/quote]wheres the link? lilianc
  • Score: -2

10:09am Thu 7 Aug 14

Lee.Waddi says...

This link was posted at 9:17am, sorry it's not clickable, you will have to copy and paste into your browser. http://youtu.be/im6e
qiK766Y
This link was posted at 9:17am, sorry it's not clickable, you will have to copy and paste into your browser. http://youtu.be/im6e qiK766Y Lee.Waddi
  • Score: 1

10:18am Thu 7 Aug 14

lilianc says...

lilianc wrote:
Lee.Waddi wrote:
lilianc wrote:
Lee.Waddi wrote:
lilianc wrote:
Lee.Waddi wrote:
lilianc wrote:
Lee.Waddi wrote:
unknown1992 wrote:
Willo72 wrote:
PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do?

The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!!

Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed!

"Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment!

Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked.

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!

PROPAGANDA!
the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do

the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them

we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either
Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals.
Then how come Chester Zoo has been voted best in Europe!!!??
Well done chester zoo, but I fail to see how this is providing any evidence of animals being beaten at Peter Jolly's Circus.
Give us clear EVIDENCE that the animals are not subjected to Any sort of painfull training!! ......forcing llamas to lie down while horseshoe over them must be TERRIFYING for the LLAMAS! You tell me that's not cruel!
I'm not asking for your opinion on what is classified as cruel. I'm asking for evidence of animal beating.
That is NOT MY OPINION..it's FACT!!
You give me picture evidence of the training procedures. Then I'll tell you! Lol
I've just provided a you tube link that shows the training methods.
wheres the link?
ive found a video of Thomas Chipper field and i will forward it on to an animal behaviorist and ask their opinion....
[quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]unknown1992[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willo72[/bold] wrote: PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! Is this still carrying on? Do you boring people have nothing interesting to do? The Circus is well within its own rights, and the law to use animals. These animals are in far better condition than many Zoo animals, also living in captivity. Difference is, Zoos cull animals for the sake of it and to generate more profit, whereas the Circus RELIES on the health and happiness of their star performers!!! Neeka the tiger died from Cancer. All the "Protesters" are spreading is PROPGANDA... not education! And they're going about it in a disgusting and embarrassing manner. Confronting children and making them cry? Should be absolutely ashamed! "Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Do not post anything false, such as your fake reports into animal Mistreatment! Id like to see a report into the conditions where the animal Onesie was produced, I think these protesters would be shocked. PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA! PROPAGANDA![/p][/quote]the circus may be in there own rights to be there but they shouldnt be its cruel you wouldnt like to be locked in a tiny cage for most of the day/made to preform stupid acts in front of people and get beaten untill they do what the circus people want them to do the animals are not in far better condition than zoos atall zoos dont keep them in tiny cages and punish them we havnt confronted any children and made them cry either[/p][/quote]Can you please provide some evidence that this circus beats their animals.[/p][/quote]Then how come Chester Zoo has been voted best in Europe!!!??[/p][/quote]Well done chester zoo, but I fail to see how this is providing any evidence of animals being beaten at Peter Jolly's Circus.[/p][/quote]Give us clear EVIDENCE that the animals are not subjected to Any sort of painfull training!! ......forcing llamas to lie down while horseshoe over them must be TERRIFYING for the LLAMAS! You tell me that's not cruel![/p][/quote]I'm not asking for your opinion on what is classified as cruel. I'm asking for evidence of animal beating.[/p][/quote]That is NOT MY OPINION..it's FACT!! You give me picture evidence of the training procedures. Then I'll tell you! Lol[/p][/quote]I've just provided a you tube link that shows the training methods.[/p][/quote]wheres the link?[/p][/quote]ive found a video of Thomas Chipper field and i will forward it on to an animal behaviorist and ask their opinion.... lilianc
  • Score: -2

10:30am Thu 7 Aug 14

lilianc says...

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=CyqxpPJ8
MP8
https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=CyqxpPJ8 MP8 lilianc
  • Score: -3

10:38am Thu 7 Aug 14

Lee.Waddi says...

Please use an impartial animal behaviorist, no one associated with ADI or CAPS
Please use an impartial animal behaviorist, no one associated with ADI or CAPS Lee.Waddi
  • Score: 2

10:52am Thu 7 Aug 14

spamfiend says...

I think this whole thing has gone away from what could have been a positive debate and turned simply into a mud slinging event. People have a right to feel aggrieved to circus's with animals, but at the same time the circus people have a right to defend themselves. The issue here is that too many people are forgetting the crux of the matter - is it or isn't it cruel to have live animals to perform in a circus.

I am too ill-informed to comment. I am a person who goes to the supermarket and but cheap (no pun intended) eggs from battery hens. I buy a chicken that I know was mass raised and had ammonia burns on it;s knees (which is why you get a shorter leg on a chicken) - I buy all the items I do knowing that at some point it was probably not the best life for the animals and have unfortunately accepted that.

As for the circus animals, from what I have read elsewhere from the non pro/con camps, they seem to be in good health and cared for. Again, I am too ill-informed to make a judgement.

To say it is bad means I am simply a hypocrite for all the other things I do during my daily life. I see a spider, I stand on it. I buy eggs that came from a chicken in a cage. Am I not as guilty as those that say the circus is a bad place?

You may agree or disagree with me, but leave the mud slinging for each other please.
I think this whole thing has gone away from what could have been a positive debate and turned simply into a mud slinging event. People have a right to feel aggrieved to circus's with animals, but at the same time the circus people have a right to defend themselves. The issue here is that too many people are forgetting the crux of the matter - is it or isn't it cruel to have live animals to perform in a circus. I am too ill-informed to comment. I am a person who goes to the supermarket and but cheap (no pun intended) eggs from battery hens. I buy a chicken that I know was mass raised and had ammonia burns on it;s knees (which is why you get a shorter leg on a chicken) - I buy all the items I do knowing that at some point it was probably not the best life for the animals and have unfortunately accepted that. As for the circus animals, from what I have read elsewhere from the non pro/con camps, they seem to be in good health and cared for. Again, I am too ill-informed to make a judgement. To say it is bad means I am simply a hypocrite for all the other things I do during my daily life. I see a spider, I stand on it. I buy eggs that came from a chicken in a cage. Am I not as guilty as those that say the circus is a bad place? You may agree or disagree with me, but leave the mud slinging for each other please. spamfiend
  • Score: 1

10:56am Thu 7 Aug 14

Lee.Waddi says...

lilianc wrote:
https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=CyqxpPJ8

MP8
This is all American footage and has no relevance in the UK debate.
[quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=CyqxpPJ8 MP8[/p][/quote]This is all American footage and has no relevance in the UK debate. Lee.Waddi
  • Score: -3

11:13am Thu 7 Aug 14

lilianc says...

Lee.Waddi wrote:
lilianc wrote:
https://www.youtube.


com/watch?v=CyqxpPJ8


MP8
This is all American footage and has no relevance in the UK debate.
it doesnt matter! they are all trained in the same way!
[quote][p][bold]Lee.Waddi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=CyqxpPJ8 MP8[/p][/quote]This is all American footage and has no relevance in the UK debate.[/p][/quote]it doesnt matter! they are all trained in the same way! lilianc
  • Score: 2

11:16am Thu 7 Aug 14

lilianc says...

spamfiend wrote:
I think this whole thing has gone away from what could have been a positive debate and turned simply into a mud slinging event. People have a right to feel aggrieved to circus's with animals, but at the same time the circus people have a right to defend themselves. The issue here is that too many people are forgetting the crux of the matter - is it or isn't it cruel to have live animals to perform in a circus.

I am too ill-informed to comment. I am a person who goes to the supermarket and but cheap (no pun intended) eggs from battery hens. I buy a chicken that I know was mass raised and had ammonia burns on it;s knees (which is why you get a shorter leg on a chicken) - I buy all the items I do knowing that at some point it was probably not the best life for the animals and have unfortunately accepted that.

As for the circus animals, from what I have read elsewhere from the non pro/con camps, they seem to be in good health and cared for. Again, I am too ill-informed to make a judgement.

To say it is bad means I am simply a hypocrite for all the other things I do during my daily life. I see a spider, I stand on it. I buy eggs that came from a chicken in a cage. Am I not as guilty as those that say the circus is a bad place?

You may agree or disagree with me, but leave the mud slinging for each other please.
then STOP BUYING such rubbish food! doh!
by organic....free range....read labels!
stop killing spiders they are useful creatures!
look at the Video i have uploaded..... it MAY be as USA one but ALL circus training is the same!
[quote][p][bold]spamfiend[/bold] wrote: I think this whole thing has gone away from what could have been a positive debate and turned simply into a mud slinging event. People have a right to feel aggrieved to circus's with animals, but at the same time the circus people have a right to defend themselves. The issue here is that too many people are forgetting the crux of the matter - is it or isn't it cruel to have live animals to perform in a circus. I am too ill-informed to comment. I am a person who goes to the supermarket and but cheap (no pun intended) eggs from battery hens. I buy a chicken that I know was mass raised and had ammonia burns on it;s knees (which is why you get a shorter leg on a chicken) - I buy all the items I do knowing that at some point it was probably not the best life for the animals and have unfortunately accepted that. As for the circus animals, from what I have read elsewhere from the non pro/con camps, they seem to be in good health and cared for. Again, I am too ill-informed to make a judgement. To say it is bad means I am simply a hypocrite for all the other things I do during my daily life. I see a spider, I stand on it. I buy eggs that came from a chicken in a cage. Am I not as guilty as those that say the circus is a bad place? You may agree or disagree with me, but leave the mud slinging for each other please.[/p][/quote]then STOP BUYING such rubbish food! doh! by organic....free range....read labels! stop killing spiders they are useful creatures! look at the Video i have uploaded..... it MAY be as USA one but ALL circus training is the same! lilianc
  • Score: 2

11:22am Thu 7 Aug 14

lilianc says...

http://www.rspca.org
.uk/adviceandwelfare
/wildlife/captivity/
circuses
http://www.rspca.org .uk/adviceandwelfare /wildlife/captivity/ circuses lilianc
  • Score: 1

11:25am Thu 7 Aug 14

lilianc says...

http://www.bornfree.
org.uk/campaigns/zoo
-check/circuses-perf
orming-animals/
http://www.bornfree. org.uk/campaigns/zoo -check/circuses-perf orming-animals/ lilianc
  • Score: 0

11:37am Thu 7 Aug 14

Lee.Waddi says...

lilianc wrote:
spamfiend wrote:
I think this whole thing has gone away from what could have been a positive debate and turned simply into a mud slinging event. People have a right to feel aggrieved to circus's with animals, but at the same time the circus people have a right to defend themselves. The issue here is that too many people are forgetting the crux of the matter - is it or isn't it cruel to have live animals to perform in a circus.

I am too ill-informed to comment. I am a person who goes to the supermarket and but cheap (no pun intended) eggs from battery hens. I buy a chicken that I know was mass raised and had ammonia burns on it;s knees (which is why you get a shorter leg on a chicken) - I buy all the items I do knowing that at some point it was probably not the best life for the animals and have unfortunately accepted that.

As for the circus animals, from what I have read elsewhere from the non pro/con camps, they seem to be in good health and cared for. Again, I am too ill-informed to make a judgement.

To say it is bad means I am simply a hypocrite for all the other things I do during my daily life. I see a spider, I stand on it. I buy eggs that came from a chicken in a cage. Am I not as guilty as those that say the circus is a bad place?

You may agree or disagree with me, but leave the mud slinging for each other please.
then STOP BUYING such rubbish food! doh!
by organic....free range....read labels!
stop killing spiders they are useful creatures!
look at the Video i have uploaded..... it MAY be as USA one but ALL circus training is the same!
You are just too narrow minded or misinformed to even have a debate with, so I'll leave you with this last comment, not for you lilac but for the impartial and undecided that are also reading this article ;
DEFRA, who are part of the government, introduced new legislation with specific regulations that the circus has to adhere to, Peter Jolly's Circus operate at a level above these regulations and have regular audits to confirm they are.
[quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spamfiend[/bold] wrote: I think this whole thing has gone away from what could have been a positive debate and turned simply into a mud slinging event. People have a right to feel aggrieved to circus's with animals, but at the same time the circus people have a right to defend themselves. The issue here is that too many people are forgetting the crux of the matter - is it or isn't it cruel to have live animals to perform in a circus. I am too ill-informed to comment. I am a person who goes to the supermarket and but cheap (no pun intended) eggs from battery hens. I buy a chicken that I know was mass raised and had ammonia burns on it;s knees (which is why you get a shorter leg on a chicken) - I buy all the items I do knowing that at some point it was probably not the best life for the animals and have unfortunately accepted that. As for the circus animals, from what I have read elsewhere from the non pro/con camps, they seem to be in good health and cared for. Again, I am too ill-informed to make a judgement. To say it is bad means I am simply a hypocrite for all the other things I do during my daily life. I see a spider, I stand on it. I buy eggs that came from a chicken in a cage. Am I not as guilty as those that say the circus is a bad place? You may agree or disagree with me, but leave the mud slinging for each other please.[/p][/quote]then STOP BUYING such rubbish food! doh! by organic....free range....read labels! stop killing spiders they are useful creatures! look at the Video i have uploaded..... it MAY be as USA one but ALL circus training is the same![/p][/quote]You are just too narrow minded or misinformed to even have a debate with, so I'll leave you with this last comment, not for you lilac but for the impartial and undecided that are also reading this article ; DEFRA, who are part of the government, introduced new legislation with specific regulations that the circus has to adhere to, Peter Jolly's Circus operate at a level above these regulations and have regular audits to confirm they are. Lee.Waddi
  • Score: -1

11:49am Thu 7 Aug 14

Willo72 says...

Nobody complains about Pudsey the dog from Britain's Got Talent!
They have even made a film about it, and yet nobody has protested against that.

Group of Hypocrites who only fight for what suits them!

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=7qNbi-Kv
LrM
Nobody complains about Pudsey the dog from Britain's Got Talent! They have even made a film about it, and yet nobody has protested against that. Group of Hypocrites who only fight for what suits them! https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=7qNbi-Kv LrM Willo72
  • Score: -3

12:23pm Thu 7 Aug 14

lilianc says...

Willo72 wrote:
Nobody complains about Pudsey the dog from Britain's Got Talent!
They have even made a film about it, and yet nobody has protested against that.

Group of Hypocrites who only fight for what suits them!

https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=7qNbi-Kv

LrM
lol! Pudsey the dog has top care and is a Domestic Pet!

NOT A WILD ANIMAL!
[quote][p][bold]Willo72[/bold] wrote: Nobody complains about Pudsey the dog from Britain's Got Talent! They have even made a film about it, and yet nobody has protested against that. Group of Hypocrites who only fight for what suits them! https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=7qNbi-Kv LrM[/p][/quote]lol! Pudsey the dog has top care and is a Domestic Pet! NOT A WILD ANIMAL! lilianc
  • Score: 0

2:24pm Thu 7 Aug 14

kelly ✌ says...

Jollys circus HAVE NOT said protestors can go in and see the animals either. Another lie they are spreading!!!
Jollys circus HAVE NOT said protestors can go in and see the animals either. Another lie they are spreading!!! kelly ✌
  • Score: 4

2:31pm Thu 7 Aug 14

just say no says...

jolly circus - we train lions/tigers by tickling them under the chin. they like living from town to town in cages. roll up families give us your money!!

lions/tigers - if they didnt have sticks id grab those clowns by the jugular and rip their heads off.

protestors - stop this charade.
jolly circus - we train lions/tigers by tickling them under the chin. they like living from town to town in cages. roll up families give us your money!! lions/tigers - if they didnt have sticks id grab those clowns by the jugular and rip their heads off. protestors - stop this charade. just say no
  • Score: 0

2:51pm Thu 7 Aug 14

just say no says...

Im all for a circus, just not with wild animals who have been beaten. For example i would pay to watch anthony beckwith fired from a big cannon into a net, get chased round a big top by a dwarf, or pelted with rotten tomatoes on a side stall. That would be hilarious.
Im all for a circus, just not with wild animals who have been beaten. For example i would pay to watch anthony beckwith [jollys public gimp] fired from a big cannon into a net, get chased round a big top by a dwarf, or pelted with rotten tomatoes on a side stall. That would be hilarious. just say no
  • Score: 3

3:04pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Willo72 says...

lilianc wrote:
Willo72 wrote:
Nobody complains about Pudsey the dog from Britain's Got Talent!
They have even made a film about it, and yet nobody has protested against that.

Group of Hypocrites who only fight for what suits them!

https://www.youtube.


com/watch?v=7qNbi-Kv


LrM
lol! Pudsey the dog has top care and is a Domestic Pet!

NOT A WILD ANIMAL!
Jolly's circus animals ALSO HAVE TOP CARE (even more so than most house pets)... and are 3 generations bred in Captivity. Not far from the "Domestic" dog. Difference being, the lions/tigers haven't been "meddled" with by Humans to breed out unwanted behaviours. They were not simply picked up from south of the Sahara and beaten within an inch of their lives to perform. They have had similar training to Pudsey and the other many dancing dogs that turn up on our screens. Please do research !
[quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willo72[/bold] wrote: Nobody complains about Pudsey the dog from Britain's Got Talent! They have even made a film about it, and yet nobody has protested against that. Group of Hypocrites who only fight for what suits them! https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=7qNbi-Kv LrM[/p][/quote]lol! Pudsey the dog has top care and is a Domestic Pet! NOT A WILD ANIMAL![/p][/quote]Jolly's circus animals ALSO HAVE TOP CARE (even more so than most house pets)... and are 3 generations bred in Captivity. Not far from the "Domestic" dog. Difference being, the lions/tigers haven't been "meddled" with by Humans to breed out unwanted behaviours. They were not simply picked up from south of the Sahara and beaten within an inch of their lives to perform. They have had similar training to Pudsey and the other many dancing dogs that turn up on our screens. Please do research ! Willo72
  • Score: -1

3:24pm Thu 7 Aug 14

CassyH says...

Having read these comments and others from another local site, I must admit I'm not too convinced!

I understand the nature of people worrying about the welfare of these animals, especially with evidence of neglect and abuse in the past from OTHER similar businesses. However, there is little or no actual hard solid evidence that Jolly's Circus treats their animals badly.

I try to buy Organic products where and when I can for my family, as I only want the best for the creatures that provide for us, and for my own family. However, I do believe certain guidlines have been put in place to ensure these animals are carefully cared for, and that these guidlines have been adequately met and even surpassed.

My Husband and I took our son and nephew on the 30th out of curiosity, and we had an enjoyable time. Its not every day you see Big cats up close. Before the show, they gave a 5ish minute speech about the protestersoutside and the way they treat their star acts. I am more inclined to believe the Jolly's than the people standing outside with cardboard signs, especially as we felt slightly criminalised from our presence. We saw no evidence of fear/neglect, and all the "performers" appeared settled and healthy. Just my two pence, thanks for reading.

Cassandra
Having read these comments and others from another local site, I must admit I'm not too convinced! I understand the nature of people worrying about the welfare of these animals, especially with evidence of neglect and abuse in the past from OTHER similar businesses. However, there is little or no actual hard solid evidence that Jolly's Circus treats their animals badly. I try to buy Organic products where and when I can for my family, as I only want the best for the creatures that provide for us, and for my own family. However, I do believe certain guidlines have been put in place to ensure these animals are carefully cared for, and that these guidlines have been adequately met and even surpassed. My Husband and I took our son and nephew on the 30th out of curiosity, and we had an enjoyable time. Its not every day you see Big cats up close. Before the show, they gave a 5ish minute speech about the protestersoutside and the way they treat their star acts. I am more inclined to believe the Jolly's than the people standing outside with cardboard signs, especially as we felt slightly criminalised from our presence. We saw no evidence of fear/neglect, and all the "performers" appeared settled and healthy. Just my two pence, thanks for reading. Cassandra CassyH
  • Score: 1

4:25pm Thu 7 Aug 14

lilianc says...

Willo72 wrote:
lilianc wrote:
Willo72 wrote:
Nobody complains about Pudsey the dog from Britain's Got Talent!
They have even made a film about it, and yet nobody has protested against that.

Group of Hypocrites who only fight for what suits them!

https://www.youtube.



com/watch?v=7qNbi-Kv



LrM
lol! Pudsey the dog has top care and is a Domestic Pet!

NOT A WILD ANIMAL!
Jolly's circus animals ALSO HAVE TOP CARE (even more so than most house pets)... and are 3 generations bred in Captivity. Not far from the "Domestic" dog. Difference being, the lions/tigers haven't been "meddled" with by Humans to breed out unwanted behaviours. They were not simply picked up from south of the Sahara and beaten within an inch of their lives to perform. They have had similar training to Pudsey and the other many dancing dogs that turn up on our screens. Please do research !
OH it's now 3generations bred " IN CAPTIVITY" this phrase says it all....where did the original animals come from? Are they interbred?
I have sent details about this circus to the world renowned BORN FREE Foundation.and they are totally dismayed that the animals are used for Human entertainment!
[quote][p][bold]Willo72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willo72[/bold] wrote: Nobody complains about Pudsey the dog from Britain's Got Talent! They have even made a film about it, and yet nobody has protested against that. Group of Hypocrites who only fight for what suits them! https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=7qNbi-Kv LrM[/p][/quote]lol! Pudsey the dog has top care and is a Domestic Pet! NOT A WILD ANIMAL![/p][/quote]Jolly's circus animals ALSO HAVE TOP CARE (even more so than most house pets)... and are 3 generations bred in Captivity. Not far from the "Domestic" dog. Difference being, the lions/tigers haven't been "meddled" with by Humans to breed out unwanted behaviours. They were not simply picked up from south of the Sahara and beaten within an inch of their lives to perform. They have had similar training to Pudsey and the other many dancing dogs that turn up on our screens. Please do research ![/p][/quote]OH it's now 3generations bred " IN CAPTIVITY" this phrase says it all....where did the original animals come from? Are they interbred? I have sent details about this circus to the world renowned BORN FREE Foundation.and they are totally dismayed that the animals are used for Human entertainment! lilianc
  • Score: 0

4:45pm Thu 7 Aug 14

just say no says...

Willo72 wrote:
lilianc wrote:
Willo72 wrote:
Nobody complains about Pudsey the dog from Britain's Got Talent!
They have even made a film about it, and yet nobody has protested against that.

Group of Hypocrites who only fight for what suits them!

https://www.youtube.



com/watch?v=7qNbi-Kv



LrM
lol! Pudsey the dog has top care and is a Domestic Pet!

NOT A WILD ANIMAL!
Jolly's circus animals ALSO HAVE TOP CARE (even more so than most house pets)... and are 3 generations bred in Captivity. Not far from the "Domestic" dog. Difference being, the lions/tigers haven't been "meddled" with by Humans to breed out unwanted behaviours. They were not simply picked up from south of the Sahara and beaten within an inch of their lives to perform. They have had similar training to Pudsey and the other many dancing dogs that turn up on our screens. Please do research !
"Not far from the "Domestic" dog. " - calling planet earth!!!

"I am more inclined to believe the Jolly's than the people standing outside with cardboard signs" - dont be so naive, they have a money making agenda.

"However, there is little or no actual hard solid evidence that Jolly's Circus treats their animals badly. " - they live in cages and get ferried around on money making excercises. and you fund it. how long would you last in a cage up and down the M6 and on ferries to ireland only to be let out to show ignorant people how well you can jump on a chair while a man holds a threatening stick at you?

shame on you for going. hope your "curiosity" was worth their misery of a lifetime in a cage like 3 generations of their family once "simply picked up from south of the Sahara and beaten within an inch of their lives to perform". ground hog day for these poor wild animals until you curious boneheads wise up.
[quote][p][bold]Willo72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willo72[/bold] wrote: Nobody complains about Pudsey the dog from Britain's Got Talent! They have even made a film about it, and yet nobody has protested against that. Group of Hypocrites who only fight for what suits them! https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=7qNbi-Kv LrM[/p][/quote]lol! Pudsey the dog has top care and is a Domestic Pet! NOT A WILD ANIMAL![/p][/quote]Jolly's circus animals ALSO HAVE TOP CARE (even more so than most house pets)... and are 3 generations bred in Captivity. Not far from the "Domestic" dog. Difference being, the lions/tigers haven't been "meddled" with by Humans to breed out unwanted behaviours. They were not simply picked up from south of the Sahara and beaten within an inch of their lives to perform. They have had similar training to Pudsey and the other many dancing dogs that turn up on our screens. Please do research ![/p][/quote]"Not far from the "Domestic" dog. " - calling planet earth!!! "I am more inclined to believe the Jolly's than the people standing outside with cardboard signs" - dont be so naive, they have a money making agenda. "However, there is little or no actual hard solid evidence that Jolly's Circus treats their animals badly. " - they live in cages and get ferried around on money making excercises. and you fund it. how long would you last in a cage up and down the M6 and on ferries to ireland only to be let out to show ignorant people how well you can jump on a chair while a man holds a threatening stick at you? shame on you for going. hope your "curiosity" was worth their misery of a lifetime in a cage like 3 generations of their family once "simply picked up from south of the Sahara and beaten within an inch of their lives to perform". ground hog day for these poor wild animals until you curious boneheads wise up. just say no
  • Score: 0

7:03pm Thu 7 Aug 14

CassyH says...

If your bullying technique here "just say no", is to make others feel guilty, then Im afraid you have failed. Emotional blackmail doesnt work. I also dont particularly take kindly to being called a "Curious Bonehead", which is actually against the posting rules set by this website as stated here :

"Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link."

Fair enough you want to try and turn a family business into a witch hunt, and need to stir up as many emotional feelings as possible to illicit a respone, but it is very much the wrong way to go about it. You have further added to the mysterious dark shroud that surrounds the protesters, and hopefully others will see your evil tactics whilst providing NO evidence to mistreatment or cruelty. I pity you...

Cassandra
If your bullying technique here "just say no", is to make others feel guilty, then Im afraid you have failed. Emotional blackmail doesnt work. I also dont particularly take kindly to being called a "Curious Bonehead", which is actually against the posting rules set by this website as stated here : "Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Fair enough you want to try and turn a family business into a witch hunt, and need to stir up as many emotional feelings as possible to illicit a respone, but it is very much the wrong way to go about it. You have further added to the mysterious dark shroud that surrounds the protesters, and hopefully others will see your evil tactics whilst providing NO evidence to mistreatment or cruelty. I pity you... Cassandra CassyH
  • Score: 2

7:59pm Thu 7 Aug 14

unknown1992 says...

kelly ✌ wrote:
Jollys circus HAVE NOT said protestors can go in and see the animals either. Another lie they are spreading!!!
ino yeah cant believe the lies they come out with
[quote][p][bold]kelly ✌[/bold] wrote: Jollys circus HAVE NOT said protestors can go in and see the animals either. Another lie they are spreading!!![/p][/quote]ino yeah cant believe the lies they come out with unknown1992
  • Score: 4

8:00pm Thu 7 Aug 14

unknown1992 says...

just say no wrote:
Im all for a circus, just not with wild animals who have been beaten. For example i would pay to watch anthony beckwith fired from a big cannon into a net, get chased round a big top by a dwarf, or pelted with rotten tomatoes on a side stall. That would be hilarious.
me to i cant stand him
[quote][p][bold]just say no[/bold] wrote: Im all for a circus, just not with wild animals who have been beaten. For example i would pay to watch anthony beckwith [jollys public gimp] fired from a big cannon into a net, get chased round a big top by a dwarf, or pelted with rotten tomatoes on a side stall. That would be hilarious.[/p][/quote]me to i cant stand him unknown1992
  • Score: 4

8:24pm Thu 7 Aug 14

lilianc says...

CassyH wrote:
If your bullying technique here "just say no", is to make others feel guilty, then Im afraid you have failed. Emotional blackmail doesnt work. I also dont particularly take kindly to being called a "Curious Bonehead", which is actually against the posting rules set by this website as stated here :

"Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link."

Fair enough you want to try and turn a family business into a witch hunt, and need to stir up as many emotional feelings as possible to illicit a respone, but it is very much the wrong way to go about it. You have further added to the mysterious dark shroud that surrounds the protesters, and hopefully others will see your evil tactics whilst providing NO evidence to mistreatment or cruelty. I pity you...

Cassandra
''You have further added to the mysterious dark shroud that surrounds the protesters,''

are we That Mysterious!
[quote][p][bold]CassyH[/bold] wrote: If your bullying technique here "just say no", is to make others feel guilty, then Im afraid you have failed. Emotional blackmail doesnt work. I also dont particularly take kindly to being called a "Curious Bonehead", which is actually against the posting rules set by this website as stated here : "Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Fair enough you want to try and turn a family business into a witch hunt, and need to stir up as many emotional feelings as possible to illicit a respone, but it is very much the wrong way to go about it. You have further added to the mysterious dark shroud that surrounds the protesters, and hopefully others will see your evil tactics whilst providing NO evidence to mistreatment or cruelty. I pity you... Cassandra[/p][/quote]''You have further added to the mysterious dark shroud that surrounds the protesters,'' are we That Mysterious! lilianc
  • Score: 3

8:37pm Thu 7 Aug 14

lilianc says...

CassyH wrote:
If your bullying technique here "just say no", is to make others feel guilty, then Im afraid you have failed. Emotional blackmail doesnt work. I also dont particularly take kindly to being called a "Curious Bonehead", which is actually against the posting rules set by this website as stated here :

"Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link."

Fair enough you want to try and turn a family business into a witch hunt, and need to stir up as many emotional feelings as possible to illicit a respone, but it is very much the wrong way to go about it. You have further added to the mysterious dark shroud that surrounds the protesters, and hopefully others will see your evil tactics whilst providing NO evidence to mistreatment or cruelty. I pity you...

Cassandra
who has called you a 'Curious Bonehead' ?
[quote][p][bold]CassyH[/bold] wrote: If your bullying technique here "just say no", is to make others feel guilty, then Im afraid you have failed. Emotional blackmail doesnt work. I also dont particularly take kindly to being called a "Curious Bonehead", which is actually against the posting rules set by this website as stated here : "Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Fair enough you want to try and turn a family business into a witch hunt, and need to stir up as many emotional feelings as possible to illicit a respone, but it is very much the wrong way to go about it. You have further added to the mysterious dark shroud that surrounds the protesters, and hopefully others will see your evil tactics whilst providing NO evidence to mistreatment or cruelty. I pity you... Cassandra[/p][/quote]who has called you a 'Curious Bonehead' ? lilianc
  • Score: 2

8:49pm Thu 7 Aug 14

kelly ✌ says...

lilianc wrote:
CassyH wrote:
If your bullying technique here "just say no", is to make others feel guilty, then Im afraid you have failed. Emotional blackmail doesnt work. I also dont particularly take kindly to being called a "Curious Bonehead", which is actually against the posting rules set by this website as stated here :

"Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link."

Fair enough you want to try and turn a family business into a witch hunt, and need to stir up as many emotional feelings as possible to illicit a respone, but it is very much the wrong way to go about it. You have further added to the mysterious dark shroud that surrounds the protesters, and hopefully others will see your evil tactics whilst providing NO evidence to mistreatment or cruelty. I pity you...

Cassandra
who has called you a 'Curious Bonehead' ?
Cassandra we do not wish to ruin the family business. We would fully support the circus if the animals were out of it! And if they did this I would try get them as much support as I could for doing what is right, like I have.done against them! We have been peaceful. Ones a group of kids came down and.did boo loudly an they haven't been again but we have all been peaceful!
[quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CassyH[/bold] wrote: If your bullying technique here "just say no", is to make others feel guilty, then Im afraid you have failed. Emotional blackmail doesnt work. I also dont particularly take kindly to being called a "Curious Bonehead", which is actually against the posting rules set by this website as stated here : "Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Fair enough you want to try and turn a family business into a witch hunt, and need to stir up as many emotional feelings as possible to illicit a respone, but it is very much the wrong way to go about it. You have further added to the mysterious dark shroud that surrounds the protesters, and hopefully others will see your evil tactics whilst providing NO evidence to mistreatment or cruelty. I pity you... Cassandra[/p][/quote]who has called you a 'Curious Bonehead' ?[/p][/quote]Cassandra we do not wish to ruin the family business. We would fully support the circus if the animals were out of it! And if they did this I would try get them as much support as I could for doing what is right, like I have.done against them! We have been peaceful. Ones a group of kids came down and.did boo loudly an they haven't been again but we have all been peaceful! kelly ✌
  • Score: 6

11:47pm Thu 7 Aug 14

just say no says...

"CassyH says...
If your bullying technique here "just say no", is to make others feel guilty, then Im afraid you have failed. Emotional blackmail doesnt work. I also dont particularly take kindly to being called a "Curious Bonehead", which is actually against the posting rules set by this website as stated here :

"Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link."

Fair enough you want to try and turn a family business into a witch hunt, and need to stir up as many emotional feelings as possible to illicit a respone, but it is very much the wrong way to go about it. You have further added to the mysterious dark shroud that surrounds the protesters, and hopefully others will see your evil tactics whilst providing NO evidence to mistreatment or cruelty. I pity you...

Cassandra"
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cassy ,

youre on "this and other sites" because you know caged tigers/lions is wrong. its why you felt "slightly criminalised ". not because a few people had some cardboard signs.

there are no "dark shrouds" over the protestors, without them people like yourself would be streaming oblivious and without a care in the world and walking out saying "they look healthy, most enjoyable", while in the meantime the other 23 hours you where not there they where locked in a cage. maybe it made you think about something other than yourself.

if you want any evidence that you claim to be seeking then go along and see them in their cages, dragged from country to country and up and down the M6 in trucks,

so run along back to your curious selfish little imaginary world and keep buying your organic products and pretending the cats are happy and liked amusing you for your sad hour in the big top with the jolly clowns. save your pity for the tigers and lions they need it most.
"CassyH says... If your bullying technique here "just say no", is to make others feel guilty, then Im afraid you have failed. Emotional blackmail doesnt work. I also dont particularly take kindly to being called a "Curious Bonehead", which is actually against the posting rules set by this website as stated here : "Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link." Fair enough you want to try and turn a family business into a witch hunt, and need to stir up as many emotional feelings as possible to illicit a respone, but it is very much the wrong way to go about it. You have further added to the mysterious dark shroud that surrounds the protesters, and hopefully others will see your evil tactics whilst providing NO evidence to mistreatment or cruelty. I pity you... Cassandra" -------------------- ------- cassy , youre on "this and other sites" because you know caged tigers/lions is wrong. its why you felt "slightly criminalised ". not because a few people had some cardboard signs. there are no "dark shrouds" over the protestors, without them people like yourself would be streaming oblivious and without a care in the world and walking out saying "they look healthy, most enjoyable", while in the meantime the other 23 hours you where not there they where locked in a cage. maybe it made you think about something other than yourself. if you want any evidence that you claim to be seeking then go along and see them in their cages, dragged from country to country and up and down the M6 in trucks, so run along back to your curious selfish little imaginary world and keep buying your organic products and pretending the cats are happy and liked amusing you for your sad hour in the big top with the jolly clowns. save your pity for the tigers and lions they need it most. just say no
  • Score: 5

4:24am Fri 8 Aug 14

Carehaul says...

Been reading these comments and just thought I would mention a thing that happened about 4 years ago.
I drive all over the country from Newcastle upon Tyne as a self employed van driver ( family links on the wirral, hence my reading the globe ) and on one occasion I had a run to rural Oxfordshire. The lad I had working with me recognised the area and asked if we could call in on some old friends. We had a spare couple of hours so we did. His old friends only turned out to be the chipperfield family and I got to help feed some lion cubs that were only 4 weeks old. They said that they no longer do as much circus animal work and most of their animals were used for TV work instead. Whilst there I got to see a variety of animals ( a vet was also there giving the lions a clean bill of health ) and these animals were all kept in large areas with space to roam around. Having diesel running through my veins I also took a natural interest in some of the vehicles used to transport these animals. My brother in law transports livestock to farms and slaughterhouses and the circus animals have a **** sight more space when traveling than any livestock ( that we eat ) ever has. This all looks like a witch hunt to me but I will say ( and did in Oxfordshire ) that I PERSONALLY do not agree with circus animals but then I also hate zoos and safari parks, I am a firm believer in born free, but I also understand that, thanks to man, many animals in the wild are becoming endangered, a bit like houses in the north end ( yes I am a decendant of the north end Anson clan !) and I think that circuses and zoos have their place for educational purposes. I do not agree with them used for entertainment but then my partner owns a horse and sits on it's back to ride it, I also disagree with this when the good lord Honda gave us bikes to ride!

I feel that the folks coming on here and insulting people because they are for/against the circus is totally wrong though and they should try to respect each other's opinion, this coming from a guy who happily eats meat and, if ever provoked, has the strength of an elephant and the temper of a bear who has just come home to find his porridge missing!

Instead of standing outside the circus, perhaps spend a day with them, I know my little detour helped me in the understanding of how things are done, yes, I still disagree with the entertainment side, but I also appreciate having the chance to learn a lot.

After 12 years in the army though, I find it a little disconcerting that people can march on a circus whilst children are being bombed in places like Syria/gaza/Israel to name but a few.

Ps, we also have a jack Russell bred by mr parsons many years ago to be sent out doing terrier work ( ours licks butterflies, does my street cred no good ) the animals I seen on my detour were as tame as this and their family history could be traced back a **** sight further than our pooches could be.

I strongly suggest the protesters arrange a day with the circus folks to go and do a days work, behind the scenes with them.

Not having a go at everyone here but I am sure that gaining a little more knowledge ( may not change your opinion ) can only be a good thing for the sake of a day of your time.
Been reading these comments and just thought I would mention a thing that happened about 4 years ago. I drive all over the country from Newcastle upon Tyne as a self employed van driver ( family links on the wirral, hence my reading the globe ) and on one occasion I had a run to rural Oxfordshire. The lad I had working with me recognised the area and asked if we could call in on some old friends. We had a spare couple of hours so we did. His old friends only turned out to be the chipperfield family and I got to help feed some lion cubs that were only 4 weeks old. They said that they no longer do as much circus animal work and most of their animals were used for TV work instead. Whilst there I got to see a variety of animals ( a vet was also there giving the lions a clean bill of health ) and these animals were all kept in large areas with space to roam around. Having diesel running through my veins I also took a natural interest in some of the vehicles used to transport these animals. My brother in law transports livestock to farms and slaughterhouses and the circus animals have a **** sight more space when traveling than any livestock ( that we eat ) ever has. This all looks like a witch hunt to me but I will say ( and did in Oxfordshire ) that I PERSONALLY do not agree with circus animals but then I also hate zoos and safari parks, I am a firm believer in born free, but I also understand that, thanks to man, many animals in the wild are becoming endangered, a bit like houses in the north end ( yes I am a decendant of the north end Anson clan !) and I think that circuses and zoos have their place for educational purposes. I do not agree with them used for entertainment but then my partner owns a horse and sits on it's back to ride it, I also disagree with this when the good lord Honda gave us bikes to ride! I feel that the folks coming on here and insulting people because they are for/against the circus is totally wrong though and they should try to respect each other's opinion, this coming from a guy who happily eats meat and, if ever provoked, has the strength of an elephant and the temper of a bear who has just come home to find his porridge missing! Instead of standing outside the circus, perhaps spend a day with them, I know my little detour helped me in the understanding of how things are done, yes, I still disagree with the entertainment side, but I also appreciate having the chance to learn a lot. After 12 years in the army though, I find it a little disconcerting that people can march on a circus whilst children are being bombed in places like Syria/gaza/Israel to name but a few. Ps, we also have a jack Russell bred by mr parsons many years ago to be sent out doing terrier work ( ours licks butterflies, does my street cred no good ) the animals I seen on my detour were as tame as this and their family history could be traced back a **** sight further than our pooches could be. I strongly suggest the protesters arrange a day with the circus folks to go and do a days work, behind the scenes with them. Not having a go at everyone here but I am sure that gaining a little more knowledge ( may not change your opinion ) can only be a good thing for the sake of a day of your time. Carehaul
  • Score: 1

4:28am Fri 8 Aug 14

Carehaul says...

Apparently the word D. A. M. N is filtered, I do apologise
Apparently the word D. A. M. N is filtered, I do apologise Carehaul
  • Score: 0

4:33am Fri 8 Aug 14

Carehaul says...

Pps, for my personal entertainment , seeing as many clowns as possible stuffed into a car boot and then 'accidentally' rolled off woodside Pier, now that I would pay money to see. Nothing at all against the people who do the job of being a clown, I just hate clowns that's all
Pps, for my personal entertainment , seeing as many clowns as possible stuffed into a car boot and then 'accidentally' rolled off woodside Pier, now that I would pay money to see. Nothing at all against the people who do the job of being a clown, I just hate clowns that's all Carehaul
  • Score: 0

7:33am Fri 8 Aug 14

David Scott says...

Whether you are for or against circuses with animals, as with most things now, these matters are not decided by the UK government. The Austrian government sought to bring in a ban in Austria but was challenged in the European Court, which is why the UK government shelved a bill that had been drafted to ban animal acts in circuses in the UK and brought in a licensing system instead.
Whether you are for or against circuses with animals, as with most things now, these matters are not decided by the UK government. The Austrian government sought to bring in a ban in Austria but was challenged in the European Court, which is why the UK government shelved a bill that had been drafted to ban animal acts in circuses in the UK and brought in a licensing system instead. David Scott
  • Score: -2

8:45am Fri 8 Aug 14

lilianc says...

Carehaul wrote:
Been reading these comments and just thought I would mention a thing that happened about 4 years ago.
I drive all over the country from Newcastle upon Tyne as a self employed van driver ( family links on the wirral, hence my reading the globe ) and on one occasion I had a run to rural Oxfordshire. The lad I had working with me recognised the area and asked if we could call in on some old friends. We had a spare couple of hours so we did. His old friends only turned out to be the chipperfield family and I got to help feed some lion cubs that were only 4 weeks old. They said that they no longer do as much circus animal work and most of their animals were used for TV work instead. Whilst there I got to see a variety of animals ( a vet was also there giving the lions a clean bill of health ) and these animals were all kept in large areas with space to roam around. Having diesel running through my veins I also took a natural interest in some of the vehicles used to transport these animals. My brother in law transports livestock to farms and slaughterhouses and the circus animals have a **** sight more space when traveling than any livestock ( that we eat ) ever has. This all looks like a witch hunt to me but I will say ( and did in Oxfordshire ) that I PERSONALLY do not agree with circus animals but then I also hate zoos and safari parks, I am a firm believer in born free, but I also understand that, thanks to man, many animals in the wild are becoming endangered, a bit like houses in the north end ( yes I am a decendant of the north end Anson clan !) and I think that circuses and zoos have their place for educational purposes. I do not agree with them used for entertainment but then my partner owns a horse and sits on it's back to ride it, I also disagree with this when the good lord Honda gave us bikes to ride!

I feel that the folks coming on here and insulting people because they are for/against the circus is totally wrong though and they should try to respect each other's opinion, this coming from a guy who happily eats meat and, if ever provoked, has the strength of an elephant and the temper of a bear who has just come home to find his porridge missing!

Instead of standing outside the circus, perhaps spend a day with them, I know my little detour helped me in the understanding of how things are done, yes, I still disagree with the entertainment side, but I also appreciate having the chance to learn a lot.

After 12 years in the army though, I find it a little disconcerting that people can march on a circus whilst children are being bombed in places like Syria/gaza/Israel to name but a few.

Ps, we also have a jack Russell bred by mr parsons many years ago to be sent out doing terrier work ( ours licks butterflies, does my street cred no good ) the animals I seen on my detour were as tame as this and their family history could be traced back a **** sight further than our pooches could be.

I strongly suggest the protesters arrange a day with the circus folks to go and do a days work, behind the scenes with them.

Not having a go at everyone here but I am sure that gaining a little more knowledge ( may not change your opinion ) can only be a good thing for the sake of a day of your time.
Thanks for your input.....but we as PEACEFUL protesters are there because of the UNNATURAL behaviour that is Expected of these Wild Animals , by the Circus ,so that people can be entertained! There is a video of llamas being held down in the Circus ring while horses jump over them??? Is that natural or normal! The llama must be terrified! These animals shouldn't be worked like this..there are FABULOUS all Human CIRCUSES out there which are spectacular! And the only reason people are saying they go to a wild animals circus is to see the animals???? As Chester Zoo has been voted the BEST in Europe..wouldn't it be mire Educational for people to go there and help with the Conservation of animals instead of the Exploitation of them...Chester Zoo is expanding to a Massive size..I have worked there in a non.animal related capacity...the animals are left to do their OWN thing...If they choose to sit out of sight that is their RIGHT to do so! There have been instances when members if the public have COMPLAINED that..the Rhino ..didn't come out of its hut....couldn't see the Tigers etc etc...NO ONE is going to bring the animal out just so you can see it! It's their HOME and if they Choose to Not be seen its THEIR RIGHT.....Animals in the Circus DON'T HAVE that RIGHT-! They are EXPECTED to PERFORM EACH DAY ! That's Why WE PROTEST! .........( FYI the situations in Gaza and Syria has Not been IGNORED by me!!)
[quote][p][bold]Carehaul[/bold] wrote: Been reading these comments and just thought I would mention a thing that happened about 4 years ago. I drive all over the country from Newcastle upon Tyne as a self employed van driver ( family links on the wirral, hence my reading the globe ) and on one occasion I had a run to rural Oxfordshire. The lad I had working with me recognised the area and asked if we could call in on some old friends. We had a spare couple of hours so we did. His old friends only turned out to be the chipperfield family and I got to help feed some lion cubs that were only 4 weeks old. They said that they no longer do as much circus animal work and most of their animals were used for TV work instead. Whilst there I got to see a variety of animals ( a vet was also there giving the lions a clean bill of health ) and these animals were all kept in large areas with space to roam around. Having diesel running through my veins I also took a natural interest in some of the vehicles used to transport these animals. My brother in law transports livestock to farms and slaughterhouses and the circus animals have a **** sight more space when traveling than any livestock ( that we eat ) ever has. This all looks like a witch hunt to me but I will say ( and did in Oxfordshire ) that I PERSONALLY do not agree with circus animals but then I also hate zoos and safari parks, I am a firm believer in born free, but I also understand that, thanks to man, many animals in the wild are becoming endangered, a bit like houses in the north end ( yes I am a decendant of the north end Anson clan !) and I think that circuses and zoos have their place for educational purposes. I do not agree with them used for entertainment but then my partner owns a horse and sits on it's back to ride it, I also disagree with this when the good lord Honda gave us bikes to ride! I feel that the folks coming on here and insulting people because they are for/against the circus is totally wrong though and they should try to respect each other's opinion, this coming from a guy who happily eats meat and, if ever provoked, has the strength of an elephant and the temper of a bear who has just come home to find his porridge missing! Instead of standing outside the circus, perhaps spend a day with them, I know my little detour helped me in the understanding of how things are done, yes, I still disagree with the entertainment side, but I also appreciate having the chance to learn a lot. After 12 years in the army though, I find it a little disconcerting that people can march on a circus whilst children are being bombed in places like Syria/gaza/Israel to name but a few. Ps, we also have a jack Russell bred by mr parsons many years ago to be sent out doing terrier work ( ours licks butterflies, does my street cred no good ) the animals I seen on my detour were as tame as this and their family history could be traced back a **** sight further than our pooches could be. I strongly suggest the protesters arrange a day with the circus folks to go and do a days work, behind the scenes with them. Not having a go at everyone here but I am sure that gaining a little more knowledge ( may not change your opinion ) can only be a good thing for the sake of a day of your time.[/p][/quote]Thanks for your input.....but we as PEACEFUL protesters are there because of the UNNATURAL behaviour that is Expected of these Wild Animals , by the Circus ,so that people can be entertained! There is a video of llamas being held down in the Circus ring while horses jump over them??? Is that natural or normal! The llama must be terrified! These animals shouldn't be worked like this..there are FABULOUS all Human CIRCUSES out there which are spectacular! And the only reason people are saying they go to a wild animals circus is to see the animals???? As Chester Zoo has been voted the BEST in Europe..wouldn't it be mire Educational for people to go there and help with the Conservation of animals instead of the Exploitation of them...Chester Zoo is expanding to a Massive size..I have worked there in a non.animal related capacity...the animals are left to do their OWN thing...If they choose to sit out of sight that is their RIGHT to do so! There have been instances when members if the public have COMPLAINED that..the Rhino ..didn't come out of its hut....couldn't see the Tigers etc etc...NO ONE is going to bring the animal out just so you can see it! It's their HOME and if they Choose to Not be seen its THEIR RIGHT.....Animals in the Circus DON'T HAVE that RIGHT-! They are EXPECTED to PERFORM EACH DAY ! That's Why WE PROTEST! .........( FYI the situations in Gaza and Syria has Not been IGNORED by me!!) lilianc
  • Score: 5

8:50am Fri 8 Aug 14

lilianc says...

lilianc wrote:
Carehaul wrote:
Been reading these comments and just thought I would mention a thing that happened about 4 years ago.
I drive all over the country from Newcastle upon Tyne as a self employed van driver ( family links on the wirral, hence my reading the globe ) and on one occasion I had a run to rural Oxfordshire. The lad I had working with me recognised the area and asked if we could call in on some old friends. We had a spare couple of hours so we did. His old friends only turned out to be the chipperfield family and I got to help feed some lion cubs that were only 4 weeks old. They said that they no longer do as much circus animal work and most of their animals were used for TV work instead. Whilst there I got to see a variety of animals ( a vet was also there giving the lions a clean bill of health ) and these animals were all kept in large areas with space to roam around. Having diesel running through my veins I also took a natural interest in some of the vehicles used to transport these animals. My brother in law transports livestock to farms and slaughterhouses and the circus animals have a **** sight more space when traveling than any livestock ( that we eat ) ever has. This all looks like a witch hunt to me but I will say ( and did in Oxfordshire ) that I PERSONALLY do not agree with circus animals but then I also hate zoos and safari parks, I am a firm believer in born free, but I also understand that, thanks to man, many animals in the wild are becoming endangered, a bit like houses in the north end ( yes I am a decendant of the north end Anson clan !) and I think that circuses and zoos have their place for educational purposes. I do not agree with them used for entertainment but then my partner owns a horse and sits on it's back to ride it, I also disagree with this when the good lord Honda gave us bikes to ride!

I feel that the folks coming on here and insulting people because they are for/against the circus is totally wrong though and they should try to respect each other's opinion, this coming from a guy who happily eats meat and, if ever provoked, has the strength of an elephant and the temper of a bear who has just come home to find his porridge missing!

Instead of standing outside the circus, perhaps spend a day with them, I know my little detour helped me in the understanding of how things are done, yes, I still disagree with the entertainment side, but I also appreciate having the chance to learn a lot.

After 12 years in the army though, I find it a little disconcerting that people can march on a circus whilst children are being bombed in places like Syria/gaza/Israel to name but a few.

Ps, we also have a jack Russell bred by mr parsons many years ago to be sent out doing terrier work ( ours licks butterflies, does my street cred no good ) the animals I seen on my detour were as tame as this and their family history could be traced back a **** sight further than our pooches could be.

I strongly suggest the protesters arrange a day with the circus folks to go and do a days work, behind the scenes with them.

Not having a go at everyone here but I am sure that gaining a little more knowledge ( may not change your opinion ) can only be a good thing for the sake of a day of your time.
Thanks for your input.....but we as PEACEFUL protesters are there because of the UNNATURAL behaviour that is Expected of these Wild Animals , by the Circus ,so that people can be entertained! There is a video of llamas being held down in the Circus ring while horses jump over them??? Is that natural or normal! The llama must be terrified! These animals shouldn't be worked like this..there are FABULOUS all Human CIRCUSES out there which are spectacular! And the only reason people are saying they go to a wild animals circus is to see the animals???? As Chester Zoo has been voted the BEST in Europe..wouldn't it be mire Educational for people to go there and help with the Conservation of animals instead of the Exploitation of them...Chester Zoo is expanding to a Massive size..I have worked there in a non.animal related capacity...the animals are left to do their OWN thing...If they choose to sit out of sight that is their RIGHT to do so! There have been instances when members if the public have COMPLAINED that..the Rhino ..didn't come out of its hut....couldn't see the Tigers etc etc...NO ONE is going to bring the animal out just so you can see it! It's their HOME and if they Choose to Not be seen its THEIR RIGHT.....Animals in the Circus DON'T HAVE that RIGHT-! They are EXPECTED to PERFORM EACH DAY ! That's Why WE PROTEST! .........( FYI the situations in Gaza and Syria has Not been IGNORED by me!!)
also we have NOT been invited into the Circus to see the Animals...and if we did I would want a police officer with us...as the Circus people have been accusing us of despicable acts which are totally unfounded and untrue!
[quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carehaul[/bold] wrote: Been reading these comments and just thought I would mention a thing that happened about 4 years ago. I drive all over the country from Newcastle upon Tyne as a self employed van driver ( family links on the wirral, hence my reading the globe ) and on one occasion I had a run to rural Oxfordshire. The lad I had working with me recognised the area and asked if we could call in on some old friends. We had a spare couple of hours so we did. His old friends only turned out to be the chipperfield family and I got to help feed some lion cubs that were only 4 weeks old. They said that they no longer do as much circus animal work and most of their animals were used for TV work instead. Whilst there I got to see a variety of animals ( a vet was also there giving the lions a clean bill of health ) and these animals were all kept in large areas with space to roam around. Having diesel running through my veins I also took a natural interest in some of the vehicles used to transport these animals. My brother in law transports livestock to farms and slaughterhouses and the circus animals have a **** sight more space when traveling than any livestock ( that we eat ) ever has. This all looks like a witch hunt to me but I will say ( and did in Oxfordshire ) that I PERSONALLY do not agree with circus animals but then I also hate zoos and safari parks, I am a firm believer in born free, but I also understand that, thanks to man, many animals in the wild are becoming endangered, a bit like houses in the north end ( yes I am a decendant of the north end Anson clan !) and I think that circuses and zoos have their place for educational purposes. I do not agree with them used for entertainment but then my partner owns a horse and sits on it's back to ride it, I also disagree with this when the good lord Honda gave us bikes to ride! I feel that the folks coming on here and insulting people because they are for/against the circus is totally wrong though and they should try to respect each other's opinion, this coming from a guy who happily eats meat and, if ever provoked, has the strength of an elephant and the temper of a bear who has just come home to find his porridge missing! Instead of standing outside the circus, perhaps spend a day with them, I know my little detour helped me in the understanding of how things are done, yes, I still disagree with the entertainment side, but I also appreciate having the chance to learn a lot. After 12 years in the army though, I find it a little disconcerting that people can march on a circus whilst children are being bombed in places like Syria/gaza/Israel to name but a few. Ps, we also have a jack Russell bred by mr parsons many years ago to be sent out doing terrier work ( ours licks butterflies, does my street cred no good ) the animals I seen on my detour were as tame as this and their family history could be traced back a **** sight further than our pooches could be. I strongly suggest the protesters arrange a day with the circus folks to go and do a days work, behind the scenes with them. Not having a go at everyone here but I am sure that gaining a little more knowledge ( may not change your opinion ) can only be a good thing for the sake of a day of your time.[/p][/quote]Thanks for your input.....but we as PEACEFUL protesters are there because of the UNNATURAL behaviour that is Expected of these Wild Animals , by the Circus ,so that people can be entertained! There is a video of llamas being held down in the Circus ring while horses jump over them??? Is that natural or normal! The llama must be terrified! These animals shouldn't be worked like this..there are FABULOUS all Human CIRCUSES out there which are spectacular! And the only reason people are saying they go to a wild animals circus is to see the animals???? As Chester Zoo has been voted the BEST in Europe..wouldn't it be mire Educational for people to go there and help with the Conservation of animals instead of the Exploitation of them...Chester Zoo is expanding to a Massive size..I have worked there in a non.animal related capacity...the animals are left to do their OWN thing...If they choose to sit out of sight that is their RIGHT to do so! There have been instances when members if the public have COMPLAINED that..the Rhino ..didn't come out of its hut....couldn't see the Tigers etc etc...NO ONE is going to bring the animal out just so you can see it! It's their HOME and if they Choose to Not be seen its THEIR RIGHT.....Animals in the Circus DON'T HAVE that RIGHT-! They are EXPECTED to PERFORM EACH DAY ! That's Why WE PROTEST! .........( FYI the situations in Gaza and Syria has Not been IGNORED by me!!)[/p][/quote]also we have NOT been invited into the Circus to see the Animals...and if we did I would want a police officer with us...as the Circus people have been accusing us of despicable acts which are totally unfounded and untrue! lilianc
  • Score: 4

9:40am Fri 8 Aug 14

bohemian-living says...

A caged tiger is not a tiger. An apex predator regulating forest habitats is a tiger.
And this goes for the animals used in the circus. Animals are not ours to use for entertainment or to abuse and force into unnatural acts.

This is why the protesters are protesting and I support and respect what they are trying to educate :)
A caged tiger is not a tiger. An apex predator regulating forest habitats is a tiger. And this goes for the animals used in the circus. Animals are not ours to use for entertainment or to abuse and force into unnatural acts. This is why the protesters are protesting and I support and respect what they are trying to educate :) bohemian-living
  • Score: 7

5:40pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Rudebox says...

Gobsmacked at how easily people are taken in by a few choice words from circus staff, the very people who have a financial investment in the public visiting them.

Yet the protestors who give their time for free are 'mysterious' and 'evil'
Gobsmacked at how easily people are taken in by a few choice words from circus staff, the very people who have a financial investment in the public visiting them. Yet the protestors who give their time for free are 'mysterious' and 'evil' Rudebox
  • Score: 1

6:42pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Rudebox says...

Willo72 wrote:
lilianc wrote:
Willo72 wrote:
Nobody complains about Pudsey the dog from Britain's Got Talent!
They have even made a film about it, and yet nobody has protested against that.

Group of Hypocrites who only fight for what suits them!

https://www.youtube.



com/watch?v=7qNbi-Kv



LrM
lol! Pudsey the dog has top care and is a Domestic Pet!

NOT A WILD ANIMAL!
Jolly's circus animals ALSO HAVE TOP CARE (even more so than most house pets)... and are 3 generations bred in Captivity. Not far from the "Domestic" dog. Difference being, the lions/tigers haven't been "meddled" with by Humans to breed out unwanted behaviours. They were not simply picked up from south of the Sahara and beaten within an inch of their lives to perform. They have had similar training to Pudsey and the other many dancing dogs that turn up on our screens. Please do research !
Change the record Kraki.
[quote][p][bold]Willo72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willo72[/bold] wrote: Nobody complains about Pudsey the dog from Britain's Got Talent! They have even made a film about it, and yet nobody has protested against that. Group of Hypocrites who only fight for what suits them! https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=7qNbi-Kv LrM[/p][/quote]lol! Pudsey the dog has top care and is a Domestic Pet! NOT A WILD ANIMAL![/p][/quote]Jolly's circus animals ALSO HAVE TOP CARE (even more so than most house pets)... and are 3 generations bred in Captivity. Not far from the "Domestic" dog. Difference being, the lions/tigers haven't been "meddled" with by Humans to breed out unwanted behaviours. They were not simply picked up from south of the Sahara and beaten within an inch of their lives to perform. They have had similar training to Pudsey and the other many dancing dogs that turn up on our screens. Please do research ![/p][/quote]Change the record Kraki. Rudebox
  • Score: 1

8:01pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Positive thinker says...

Change the record,how polite I think we all know what
You would like to say
Change the record,how polite I think we all know what You would like to say Positive thinker
  • Score: 0

8:20pm Fri 8 Aug 14

lilianc says...

bohemian-living wrote:
A caged tiger is not a tiger. An apex predator regulating forest habitats is a tiger.
And this goes for the animals used in the circus. Animals are not ours to use for entertainment or to abuse and force into unnatural acts.

This is why the protesters are protesting and I support and respect what they are trying to educate :)
WELL SAID bohemian-living!
[quote][p][bold]bohemian-living[/bold] wrote: A caged tiger is not a tiger. An apex predator regulating forest habitats is a tiger. And this goes for the animals used in the circus. Animals are not ours to use for entertainment or to abuse and force into unnatural acts. This is why the protesters are protesting and I support and respect what they are trying to educate :)[/p][/quote]WELL SAID bohemian-living! lilianc
  • Score: 0

9:25am Mon 11 Aug 14

CassyH says...

I will not lower myself to the levels of degredation and name calling that Ive already experienced on here, and thus you're attempts to illicit me into an arguement will be fruitless.

All I will say, is that a similar article on here has a Poll, and 50% of people are in favour of the Circus, 49% out of favour and 1% unsure. Make as many new profiles on this website and like your own comments as much as you all want, or maybe get your friends and family to like the comments as well. The animals are in good health, they are used to the activities being performed as they have been trained (like your dogs giving you their paw and supposedly "Enjoying it") therefore Im sure Llamas are not scared of horses walking over them. How about the wild animals that live next to busy roads. All that traffic must scare them to death. The cars you travelled in, the buses you rode on to protest etc? Dont pretend to act all high and mighty when you are all just as bad, if not worse than the rest of us. The money we provide by watching the circus, goes into their welfare.

Cassandra
I will not lower myself to the levels of degredation and name calling that Ive already experienced on here, and thus you're attempts to illicit me into an arguement will be fruitless. All I will say, is that a similar article on here has a Poll, and 50% of people are in favour of the Circus, 49% out of favour and 1% unsure. Make as many new profiles on this website and like your own comments as much as you all want, or maybe get your friends and family to like the comments as well. The animals are in good health, they are used to the activities being performed as they have been trained (like your dogs giving you their paw and supposedly "Enjoying it") therefore Im sure Llamas are not scared of horses walking over them. How about the wild animals that live next to busy roads. All that traffic must scare them to death. The cars you travelled in, the buses you rode on to protest etc? Dont pretend to act all high and mighty when you are all just as bad, if not worse than the rest of us. The money we provide by watching the circus, goes into their welfare. Cassandra CassyH
  • Score: -2

10:15am Mon 11 Aug 14

lilianc says...

CassyH wrote:
I will not lower myself to the levels of degredation and name calling that Ive already experienced on here, and thus you're attempts to illicit me into an arguement will be fruitless.

All I will say, is that a similar article on here has a Poll, and 50% of people are in favour of the Circus, 49% out of favour and 1% unsure. Make as many new profiles on this website and like your own comments as much as you all want, or maybe get your friends and family to like the comments as well. The animals are in good health, they are used to the activities being performed as they have been trained (like your dogs giving you their paw and supposedly "Enjoying it") therefore Im sure Llamas are not scared of horses walking over them. How about the wild animals that live next to busy roads. All that traffic must scare them to death. The cars you travelled in, the buses you rode on to protest etc? Dont pretend to act all high and mighty when you are all just as bad, if not worse than the rest of us. The money we provide by watching the circus, goes into their welfare.

Cassandra
What are you ranting on about? Non of it makes ANY SENSE!!
[quote][p][bold]CassyH[/bold] wrote: I will not lower myself to the levels of degredation and name calling that Ive already experienced on here, and thus you're attempts to illicit me into an arguement will be fruitless. All I will say, is that a similar article on here has a Poll, and 50% of people are in favour of the Circus, 49% out of favour and 1% unsure. Make as many new profiles on this website and like your own comments as much as you all want, or maybe get your friends and family to like the comments as well. The animals are in good health, they are used to the activities being performed as they have been trained (like your dogs giving you their paw and supposedly "Enjoying it") therefore Im sure Llamas are not scared of horses walking over them. How about the wild animals that live next to busy roads. All that traffic must scare them to death. The cars you travelled in, the buses you rode on to protest etc? Dont pretend to act all high and mighty when you are all just as bad, if not worse than the rest of us. The money we provide by watching the circus, goes into their welfare. Cassandra[/p][/quote]What are you ranting on about? Non of it makes ANY SENSE!! lilianc
  • Score: 3

3:50pm Mon 11 Aug 14

unknown1992 says...

CassyH wrote:
I will not lower myself to the levels of degredation and name calling that Ive already experienced on here, and thus you're attempts to illicit me into an arguement will be fruitless.

All I will say, is that a similar article on here has a Poll, and 50% of people are in favour of the Circus, 49% out of favour and 1% unsure. Make as many new profiles on this website and like your own comments as much as you all want, or maybe get your friends and family to like the comments as well. The animals are in good health, they are used to the activities being performed as they have been trained (like your dogs giving you their paw and supposedly "Enjoying it") therefore Im sure Llamas are not scared of horses walking over them. How about the wild animals that live next to busy roads. All that traffic must scare them to death. The cars you travelled in, the buses you rode on to protest etc? Dont pretend to act all high and mighty when you are all just as bad, if not worse than the rest of us. The money we provide by watching the circus, goes into their welfare.

Cassandra
what are you on about you clearly dont no anything about these animals and how there trained they dont make much money they only get about 12 to 20 cars a day going in thats really going to pay for all there supplies isint it
[quote][p][bold]CassyH[/bold] wrote: I will not lower myself to the levels of degredation and name calling that Ive already experienced on here, and thus you're attempts to illicit me into an arguement will be fruitless. All I will say, is that a similar article on here has a Poll, and 50% of people are in favour of the Circus, 49% out of favour and 1% unsure. Make as many new profiles on this website and like your own comments as much as you all want, or maybe get your friends and family to like the comments as well. The animals are in good health, they are used to the activities being performed as they have been trained (like your dogs giving you their paw and supposedly "Enjoying it") therefore Im sure Llamas are not scared of horses walking over them. How about the wild animals that live next to busy roads. All that traffic must scare them to death. The cars you travelled in, the buses you rode on to protest etc? Dont pretend to act all high and mighty when you are all just as bad, if not worse than the rest of us. The money we provide by watching the circus, goes into their welfare. Cassandra[/p][/quote]what are you on about you clearly dont no anything about these animals and how there trained they dont make much money they only get about 12 to 20 cars a day going in thats really going to pay for all there supplies isint it unknown1992
  • Score: 2

7:13pm Mon 11 Aug 14

CassyH says...

My comments are perfectly understandable to anyone who has a minimum grasp of English. I even have reason to believe that both of your profiles (up above) are created by the same person. So go ahead and like each other's comments again, more thumbs up makes it look like the protesters are winning, when in reality the exact opposite is true.

Cassandra
My comments are perfectly understandable to anyone who has a minimum grasp of English. I even have reason to believe that both of your profiles (up above) are created by the same person. So go ahead and like each other's comments again, more thumbs up makes it look like the protesters are winning, when in reality the exact opposite is true. Cassandra CassyH
  • Score: -2

7:28pm Mon 11 Aug 14

unknown1992 says...

CassyH wrote:
My comments are perfectly understandable to anyone who has a minimum grasp of English. I even have reason to believe that both of your profiles (up above) are created by the same person. So go ahead and like each other's comments again, more thumbs up makes it look like the protesters are winning, when in reality the exact opposite is true.

Cassandra
set up by the same person okay then were did you get this from in your dream world
[quote][p][bold]CassyH[/bold] wrote: My comments are perfectly understandable to anyone who has a minimum grasp of English. I even have reason to believe that both of your profiles (up above) are created by the same person. So go ahead and like each other's comments again, more thumbs up makes it look like the protesters are winning, when in reality the exact opposite is true. Cassandra[/p][/quote]set up by the same person okay then were did you get this from in your dream world unknown1992
  • Score: 1

11:46pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Carehaul says...

Think you lot want to pack it in, I thought this was a peaceful protest between folks who disagree with animals for entertainment and those who, for generations, have brought us the circus.
Not some pathetic rant between a few folks who obviously need to take a deep breath.
Now either get back to the matter in hand or go drown in the Mersey, your back and forth comments are spoiling it for the rest of us.
Think you lot want to pack it in, I thought this was a peaceful protest between folks who disagree with animals for entertainment and those who, for generations, have brought us the circus. Not some pathetic rant between a few folks who obviously need to take a deep breath. Now either get back to the matter in hand or go drown in the Mersey, your back and forth comments are spoiling it for the rest of us. Carehaul
  • Score: 1

11:49pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Carehaul says...

CassyH wrote:
I will not lower myself to the levels of degredation and name calling that Ive already experienced on here, and thus you're attempts to illicit me into an arguement will be fruitless.

All I will say, is that a similar article on here has a Poll, and 50% of people are in favour of the Circus, 49% out of favour and 1% unsure. Make as many new profiles on this website and like your own comments as much as you all want, or maybe get your friends and family to like the comments as well. The animals are in good health, they are used to the activities being performed as they have been trained (like your dogs giving you their paw and supposedly "Enjoying it") therefore Im sure Llamas are not scared of horses walking over them. How about the wild animals that live next to busy roads. All that traffic must scare them to death. The cars you travelled in, the buses you rode on to protest etc? Dont pretend to act all high and mighty when you are all just as bad, if not worse than the rest of us. The money we provide by watching the circus, goes into their welfare.

Cassandra
Well said, and cats playing the piano is not cute nor funny but millions still encourage it ( my lass with our pooch is bad enough )
[quote][p][bold]CassyH[/bold] wrote: I will not lower myself to the levels of degredation and name calling that Ive already experienced on here, and thus you're attempts to illicit me into an arguement will be fruitless. All I will say, is that a similar article on here has a Poll, and 50% of people are in favour of the Circus, 49% out of favour and 1% unsure. Make as many new profiles on this website and like your own comments as much as you all want, or maybe get your friends and family to like the comments as well. The animals are in good health, they are used to the activities being performed as they have been trained (like your dogs giving you their paw and supposedly "Enjoying it") therefore Im sure Llamas are not scared of horses walking over them. How about the wild animals that live next to busy roads. All that traffic must scare them to death. The cars you travelled in, the buses you rode on to protest etc? Dont pretend to act all high and mighty when you are all just as bad, if not worse than the rest of us. The money we provide by watching the circus, goes into their welfare. Cassandra[/p][/quote]Well said, and cats playing the piano is not cute nor funny but millions still encourage it ( my lass with our pooch is bad enough ) Carehaul
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11:57pm Mon 11 Aug 14

lilianc says...

CassyH wrote:
My comments are perfectly understandable to anyone who has a minimum grasp of English. I even have reason to believe that both of your profiles (up above) are created by the same person. So go ahead and like each other's comments again, more thumbs up makes it look like the protesters are winning, when in reality the exact opposite is true.

Cassandra
Again I have no idea what you mean...you're just rambling.....
[quote][p][bold]CassyH[/bold] wrote: My comments are perfectly understandable to anyone who has a minimum grasp of English. I even have reason to believe that both of your profiles (up above) are created by the same person. So go ahead and like each other's comments again, more thumbs up makes it look like the protesters are winning, when in reality the exact opposite is true. Cassandra[/p][/quote]Again I have no idea what you mean...you're just rambling..... lilianc
  • Score: 1

12:14am Tue 12 Aug 14

Carehaul says...

Well up here Newcastle reading all these comments has led me to one conclusion, the circus folks will probably never want to visit ever again and understandably so.
I, as stated earlier, don't agree with animals in the circus but then I also don't agree with poachers in the wild in the same way I don't agree with how my fellow man thinks problems can be sorted with guns and bombs. 12 years army service taught me that. Rid the world of armies/greed/poacher
s ( to name but a few ) and we can all live happily in happy happy lala land, until then, enjoy the circus!
Well up here Newcastle reading all these comments has led me to one conclusion, the circus folks will probably never want to visit ever again and understandably so. I, as stated earlier, don't agree with animals in the circus but then I also don't agree with poachers in the wild in the same way I don't agree with how my fellow man thinks problems can be sorted with guns and bombs. 12 years army service taught me that. Rid the world of armies/greed/poacher s ( to name but a few ) and we can all live happily in happy happy lala land, until then, enjoy the circus! Carehaul
  • Score: -1

12:39am Tue 12 Aug 14

lilianc says...

Carehaul wrote:
Well up here Newcastle reading all these comments has led me to one conclusion, the circus folks will probably never want to visit ever again and understandably so.
I, as stated earlier, don't agree with animals in the circus but then I also don't agree with poachers in the wild in the same way I don't agree with how my fellow man thinks problems can be sorted with guns and bombs. 12 years army service taught me that. Rid the world of armies/greed/poacher

s ( to name but a few ) and we can all live happily in happy happy lala land, until then, enjoy the circus!
Thanks but no thanks....
[quote][p][bold]Carehaul[/bold] wrote: Well up here Newcastle reading all these comments has led me to one conclusion, the circus folks will probably never want to visit ever again and understandably so. I, as stated earlier, don't agree with animals in the circus but then I also don't agree with poachers in the wild in the same way I don't agree with how my fellow man thinks problems can be sorted with guns and bombs. 12 years army service taught me that. Rid the world of armies/greed/poacher s ( to name but a few ) and we can all live happily in happy happy lala land, until then, enjoy the circus![/p][/quote]Thanks but no thanks.... lilianc
  • Score: 0

12:54am Tue 12 Aug 14

Carehaul says...

lilianc wrote:
Carehaul wrote:
Well up here Newcastle reading all these comments has led me to one conclusion, the circus folks will probably never want to visit ever again and understandably so.
I, as stated earlier, don't agree with animals in the circus but then I also don't agree with poachers in the wild in the same way I don't agree with how my fellow man thinks problems can be sorted with guns and bombs. 12 years army service taught me that. Rid the world of armies/greed/poacher


s ( to name but a few ) and we can all live happily in happy happy lala land, until then, enjoy the circus!
Thanks but no thanks....
Each to their own, it is after all ( supposedly ) a free country to go or not go to the circus and protest at things peacefully that we all believe we should stand up for. I feel that the death of robin Williams may take over this somewhat though ( off topic I know but cookies tend to crumble in this way. )
[quote][p][bold]lilianc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carehaul[/bold] wrote: Well up here Newcastle reading all these comments has led me to one conclusion, the circus folks will probably never want to visit ever again and understandably so. I, as stated earlier, don't agree with animals in the circus but then I also don't agree with poachers in the wild in the same way I don't agree with how my fellow man thinks problems can be sorted with guns and bombs. 12 years army service taught me that. Rid the world of armies/greed/poacher s ( to name but a few ) and we can all live happily in happy happy lala land, until then, enjoy the circus![/p][/quote]Thanks but no thanks....[/p][/quote]Each to their own, it is after all ( supposedly ) a free country to go or not go to the circus and protest at things peacefully that we all believe we should stand up for. I feel that the death of robin Williams may take over this somewhat though ( off topic I know but cookies tend to crumble in this way. ) Carehaul
  • Score: 1

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