UPDATED: Should Wirral people be given free use of Mersey Tunnels?

John McGoldrick, secretary of the Mersey Tunnel Users Association.

John McGoldrick, secretary of the Mersey Tunnel Users Association.

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CAMPAIGNERS against Mersey Tunnel tolls have questioned the “grossly unfair” decision to allow residents in nearby Halton to cross the new Mersey Gateway bridge – or the current Silver Jubilee bridge – while Wirral residents still face being “ripped off” on a daily basis.

Motorists from Runcorn and Widnes had been due to pay a rate of £1.80 each way to cross either bridge but on Friday, Chancellor George Osborne responded to calls from critics to scrap the fee.

He said he did not think it would be fair for residents to have to pay cross their “existing local road” but while those in Halton will be able to use their crossing for free, those in Wirral will still be faced with Mersey Tunnel tolls.

John McGoldrick, secretary of the Mersey Tunnel Users Association, told the Globe that although extending the scheme to Wirral would be good, it would still be unfair.

He said: “The tunnels are local roads for a lot of the people who use them. I think we are being ripped off and I think the politicians on Merseyside and particularly on the Wirral have let the people of Wirral down.

“Our view is that all tolls are a rip off and should be scrapped. It’s the drivers paying about a billion pounds a week in taxes and it’s not right for there to be any tolls.

“Obviously the people in Halton felt particularly aggrieved because they were used to not paying any tolls but the situation now is that the Government has put nearly £500m into this bridge so people who live in Halton can cross the new and old bridge for free.”

He added: “Not far away on the Wirral, people are still going to have to pay tolls to cross what is the third most expensive toll crossing in Britain.

“It is obviously grossly unfair and it begs the question as to why the Government is putting £500m into the new bridge when they haven’t put in a single penny since the Birkenhead tunnel was built over 80 years ago.”

Mr McGoldrick claims councils on Merseyside view the tunnel toll as a “cash cow” but told the Globe those who use the tunnel are “apathetic” towards them.

He said: “It would appear most people on the Wirral, almost all of them seem to be quite happy to be ripped off.”

In April, less than two dozen people turned out to support MTUA’s demonstration against the 10p rise in tunnel charges introduced earlier this year.

On Friday, Mr Osborne said: “It’s quite right that local people get the biggest discount we can afford.

“A key part of our long term economic plan is reversing the decades of under-investment in this country’s infrastructure; but to do so in a way that is fair to taxpayers, consumers and local residents.”

Mr McGoldrick said scrapping the tolls would lead to less congestion at the booths, but Green Party member Cllr Pat Cleary told the Globe that it would have the opposite effect.

He said: “Without tolls, congestion across the area would increase dramatically. Added congestion would further erode air quality which, in the area I represent - Birkenhead & Tranmere - is already among the poorest in the country.

“The borough’s director of public health said in April that ‘cutting vehicle emissions will be central to improving air quality in the borough’. Simply put, people are dying prematurely due to poor air quality.

"Naturally, this disproportionately affects residents in our less affluent areas. Abolishing/reducing tolls will make this problem worse.”

Cllr Cleary - who claims Wirral would lose an estimated £80m in retail spending if the tolls were scrapped - added:  “Without tolls, increased usage could lead to severe congestion and impact negatively on cross river, public transport routes. Public transport fares, already too high, would almost certainly increase.

“It is not possible to walk across the Mersey. Nor is it possible to cycle across. If tolls were abolished we would be in the unjust situation where motorists could travel for free but pedestrians and cyclists would still be forced to pay.

“Tunnels are major infrastructure with particular and significant operating costs. It is right that those who use the tunnels pay for their upkeep.”

Do you think discounts should be offered to Wirral residents who use the Mersey Tunnel? Or do you think the tunnel tolls should be scrapped completely? Have your say below or email emma.rigby@nqnw.co.uk

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11:13am Mon 28 Jul 14

LM1973 says...

Should be at least discounted, but if it's free for Halton, why shouldn't it be free for us?????
Should be at least discounted, but if it's free for Halton, why shouldn't it be free for us????? LM1973
  • Score: 31

11:31am Mon 28 Jul 14

naughtykitties says...

Provide me with a way to walk through the tunnel and I might start caring. In the meantime, while I have to pay merseytravel to cross the river, this just looks like drivers demanding exemption from charges applicable to everyone.
Provide me with a way to walk through the tunnel and I might start caring. In the meantime, while I have to pay merseytravel to cross the river, this just looks like drivers demanding exemption from charges applicable to everyone. naughtykitties
  • Score: -16

12:09pm Mon 28 Jul 14

rover600 says...

It's laughable that the new bridge local residents will get free use of the bridge yet Wirral and Liverpool residents will have to continue to pay. I suppose it helps if your local MP is the Chancellor of the Exchequer and there is a general election due within a year.

The Dartford river crossing is free for local residents, the Humber bridge toll was significantly decreased over a year ago and yet the Mersey Tunnel tolls have increased, all the more galling is that the tunnel generates an annual profit but instead of using this to either reduce, abolish toll fees or to do the right thing and pay down the debt the surplus profits are utilised by Mersey travel to subsidise amongst other things less than viable bus routes!
So long as you have a board that probably only uses the tunnel once in a blue moon AND can claim back the tunnel fees as expenses they'll never see or have the sense to do the right thing.

It's time little miss Esther McVey and Frank Field along with other local MPs
fought for the same right/benefit as George Osborne seems to have done so easily for his constituents...
It's laughable that the new bridge local residents will get free use of the bridge yet Wirral and Liverpool residents will have to continue to pay. I suppose it helps if your local MP is the Chancellor of the Exchequer and there is a general election due within a year. The Dartford river crossing is free for local residents, the Humber bridge toll was significantly decreased over a year ago and yet the Mersey Tunnel tolls have increased, all the more galling is that the tunnel generates an annual profit but instead of using this to either reduce, abolish toll fees or to do the right thing and pay down the debt the surplus profits are utilised by Mersey travel to subsidise amongst other things less than viable bus routes! So long as you have a board that probably only uses the tunnel once in a blue moon AND can claim back the tunnel fees as expenses they'll never see or have the sense to do the right thing. It's time little miss Esther McVey and Frank Field along with other local MPs fought for the same right/benefit as George Osborne seems to have done so easily for his constituents... rover600
  • Score: 43

12:25pm Mon 28 Jul 14

sonoferic says...

naughtykitties wrote:
Provide me with a way to walk through the tunnel and I might start caring. In the meantime, while I have to pay merseytravel to cross the river, this just looks like drivers demanding exemption from charges applicable to everyone.
As it stands, drivers are not only paying for themselves to cross the river but also subsidising merseytravel's bus and train passengers to do so too. Grossly unfair.
[quote][p][bold]naughtykitties[/bold] wrote: Provide me with a way to walk through the tunnel and I might start caring. In the meantime, while I have to pay merseytravel to cross the river, this just looks like drivers demanding exemption from charges applicable to everyone.[/p][/quote]As it stands, drivers are not only paying for themselves to cross the river but also subsidising merseytravel's bus and train passengers to do so too. Grossly unfair. sonoferic
  • Score: 24

1:41pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Llamedos 1 says...

Mr Mc Goldricks theory that the motorists of Wirral using the Miserytravel Tunnels are apathetic is based on the fact that very few people turned out for his protest. Sorry Mr McGoldrick, I totally agree that we Wirral residents are being ripped off but do you honestly think a protest on a fly-over above the concourse will have any effect on one of the biggest crooked organisations in Merseyside.....I dont think so. Whilst Wirral clowncillors are sitting on the board of Miserytravel and receiving nice little financial packages there is no way they are going to upset Miserytravels cash-cow. Block both tunnels (both ways) with 50 or so broken down vehicles in each direction, sit back and watch the reaction.
Direct action is the only way this rip off will ever be resolved.
Mr Mc Goldricks theory that the motorists of Wirral using the Miserytravel Tunnels are apathetic is based on the fact that very few people turned out for his protest. Sorry Mr McGoldrick, I totally agree that we Wirral residents are being ripped off but do you honestly think a protest on a fly-over above the concourse will have any effect on one of the biggest crooked organisations in Merseyside.....I dont think so. Whilst Wirral clowncillors are sitting on the board of Miserytravel and receiving nice little financial packages there is no way they are going to upset Miserytravels cash-cow. Block both tunnels (both ways) with 50 or so broken down vehicles in each direction, sit back and watch the reaction. Direct action is the only way this rip off will ever be resolved. Llamedos 1
  • Score: 30

1:51pm Mon 28 Jul 14

tiprat says...

Llamedos 1 wrote:
Mr Mc Goldricks theory that the motorists of Wirral using the Miserytravel Tunnels are apathetic is based on the fact that very few people turned out for his protest. Sorry Mr McGoldrick, I totally agree that we Wirral residents are being ripped off but do you honestly think a protest on a fly-over above the concourse will have any effect on one of the biggest crooked organisations in Merseyside.....I dont think so. Whilst Wirral clowncillors are sitting on the board of Miserytravel and receiving nice little financial packages there is no way they are going to upset Miserytravels cash-cow. Block both tunnels (both ways) with 50 or so broken down vehicles in each direction, sit back and watch the reaction.
Direct action is the only way this rip off will ever be resolved.
Agreed. We should take a leaf out of the French book and blockade.
[quote][p][bold]Llamedos 1[/bold] wrote: Mr Mc Goldricks theory that the motorists of Wirral using the Miserytravel Tunnels are apathetic is based on the fact that very few people turned out for his protest. Sorry Mr McGoldrick, I totally agree that we Wirral residents are being ripped off but do you honestly think a protest on a fly-over above the concourse will have any effect on one of the biggest crooked organisations in Merseyside.....I dont think so. Whilst Wirral clowncillors are sitting on the board of Miserytravel and receiving nice little financial packages there is no way they are going to upset Miserytravels cash-cow. Block both tunnels (both ways) with 50 or so broken down vehicles in each direction, sit back and watch the reaction. Direct action is the only way this rip off will ever be resolved.[/p][/quote]Agreed. We should take a leaf out of the French book and blockade. tiprat
  • Score: 22

2:12pm Mon 28 Jul 14

MIOCVN says...

It's disgusting we have to pay, it bleeds us dry when we are just trying to work. More people would turn up to protest, I would but I never see any protests or fb group advertised. Publicity on protests are the way forward, I've been keen to show support but don't know how !
It's disgusting we have to pay, it bleeds us dry when we are just trying to work. More people would turn up to protest, I would but I never see any protests or fb group advertised. Publicity on protests are the way forward, I've been keen to show support but don't know how ! MIOCVN
  • Score: 17

4:05pm Mon 28 Jul 14

jay744 says...

It's interesting because on average tunnels cost ten times as much to build as bridges. And the reason we ended up with tunnels under, rather than bridges over, the Mersey was because the Government of the day was worried about bridges being destroyed in future wars.

Apparently, they feared that the enemy could easily destroy any bridges which could close the river and thus Britain's second Port.

Therefore, given the massive contribution the whole of Merseyside made in both World Wars I would have thought that the arguement could easily be made for the government, or even the EU, to pay off the original debt?

After all, this government managed to create 1.5 trillion pounds to rescue the Banksters!

However, Green Party Pat makes some good points about the extra congestion that might be caused by abolishing the tolls. So I think that whilst the original debt should be paid off immediately, and the tolls abolished, I think some tolls should still be applied during rush hours to raise money to improve local public transport. And also to deter congestion, and pollution, during peak hours.

Certainly something should be done. The tunnels suck around 2 million pounds a month out of the local economy. So they are a tax on Merseyside people. And given that one can drive back and forth across numerous bridges across the Thames(for free) this really isn't fair.

The projected losses to Wirral trade really don't add up when one considers that even with a toll free tunnel- parking in Liverpool would still cost a fortune and using public transport is already the most convenient way to travel into the City centre from most of Wirral. Most tunnel users don't drive into Liverpool to shop. If you don't believe this ask yourself why the tunnel is always so quiet on Saturday? Saturday is the biggest shopping day of the week.

Most people use the tunnel because they work in North Merseyside or are heading North. So, the extra 2 million pound a month that wouldn't be going into the pockets of those holding the tunnel debt i.e the Banksters- could be being spent on Mersyside, and Wirral, and would be a massive boost to local shops, small business and local residents in general.
It's interesting because on average tunnels cost ten times as much to build as bridges. And the reason we ended up with tunnels under, rather than bridges over, the Mersey was because the Government of the day was worried about bridges being destroyed in future wars. Apparently, they feared that the enemy could easily destroy any bridges which could close the river and thus Britain's second Port. Therefore, given the massive contribution the whole of Merseyside made in both World Wars I would have thought that the arguement could easily be made for the government, or even the EU, to pay off the original debt? After all, this government managed to create 1.5 trillion pounds to rescue the Banksters! However, Green Party Pat makes some good points about the extra congestion that might be caused by abolishing the tolls. So I think that whilst the original debt should be paid off immediately, and the tolls abolished, I think some tolls should still be applied during rush hours to raise money to improve local public transport. And also to deter congestion, and pollution, during peak hours. Certainly something should be done. The tunnels suck around 2 million pounds a month out of the local economy. So they are a tax on Merseyside people. And given that one can drive back and forth across numerous bridges across the Thames(for free) this really isn't fair. The projected losses to Wirral trade really don't add up when one considers that even with a toll free tunnel- parking in Liverpool would still cost a fortune and using public transport is already the most convenient way to travel into the City centre from most of Wirral. Most tunnel users don't drive into Liverpool to shop. If you don't believe this ask yourself why the tunnel is always so quiet on Saturday? Saturday is the biggest shopping day of the week. Most people use the tunnel because they work in North Merseyside or are heading North. So, the extra 2 million pound a month that wouldn't be going into the pockets of those holding the tunnel debt i.e the Banksters- could be being spent on Mersyside, and Wirral, and would be a massive boost to local shops, small business and local residents in general. jay744
  • Score: 15

9:09pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Hugo1008 says...

Registered Rate Payers both side of the river should at least pay a reduced rate to use the tunnels and any bridges.

All the funds generated from the Bridges or Tunnels should be ring fenced for the Maintenance of these parts of our National Road System.

Then a committee composed of ordinary Public Members and Professionals but not Political Parties should decide on the distribution of the excess profits. Motorists have already paid a high price for these Tunnels and Bridges to be built in the first place via the taxation on both Fuel and Vehicle Duty. (once known as Road Tax)
Registered Rate Payers both side of the river should at least pay a reduced rate to use the tunnels and any bridges. All the funds generated from the Bridges or Tunnels should be ring fenced for the Maintenance of these parts of our National Road System. Then a committee composed of ordinary Public Members and Professionals but not Political Parties should decide on the distribution of the excess profits. Motorists have already paid a high price for these Tunnels and Bridges to be built in the first place via the taxation on both Fuel and Vehicle Duty. (once known as Road Tax) Hugo1008
  • Score: 11

10:58pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Positive thinker says...

If it was £2.50 each way it's still value for money
If it was £2.50 each way it's still value for money Positive thinker
  • Score: -13

11:00pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Positive thinker says...

Pat Cleary nobhead
Pat Cleary nobhead Positive thinker
  • Score: 5

9:42am Tue 29 Jul 14

rover600 says...

Positive thinker wrote:
If it was £2.50 each way it's still value for money
Normally find your comments are sensible but this one is laughable and unbecoming, in what way is parting with £5 a day value for money? It would not cost £5 a day in extra fuel to drive out and across via the (free) Runcorn bridge.

You are either wealthy beyond belief that a bill of £1,300 a year for a 5 day week daily commute would not bother you or you don't drive/use the tunnel regularly.

Even at the current discounted tag rate of £1.40 per journey means an annual 'tax' of £728 per annum.

It would be bad enough to have to do this for the short term to pay down the debt and or a nominal fee per annum from local users to cover maintenance costs but given pretty much every other bridge over a stream, river, lake, valley or culvert is funded out of the highways budgets, why should we have to pay even one penny? Road tax was introduce to maintain the roads, the fact that central govt choose to use it in a different manner is not mine your or any other resident of Merseyside's fault nor is it our responsibility to pay for these.

The irony is that the rail tunnels used exclusively by Merseyrail & its travellers carries no toll at all...
[quote][p][bold]Positive thinker[/bold] wrote: If it was £2.50 each way it's still value for money[/p][/quote]Normally find your comments are sensible but this one is laughable and unbecoming, in what way is parting with £5 a day value for money? It would not cost £5 a day in extra fuel to drive out and across via the (free) Runcorn bridge. You are either wealthy beyond belief that a bill of £1,300 a year for a 5 day week daily commute would not bother you or you don't drive/use the tunnel regularly. Even at the current discounted tag rate of £1.40 per journey means an annual 'tax' of £728 per annum. It would be bad enough to have to do this for the short term to pay down the debt and or a nominal fee per annum from local users to cover maintenance costs but given pretty much every other bridge over a stream, river, lake, valley or culvert is funded out of the highways budgets, why should we have to pay even one penny? Road tax was introduce to maintain the roads, the fact that central govt choose to use it in a different manner is not mine your or any other resident of Merseyside's fault nor is it our responsibility to pay for these. The irony is that the rail tunnels used exclusively by Merseyrail & its travellers carries no toll at all... rover600
  • Score: 14

1:33pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Joeblogg85 says...

rover600 wrote:
Positive thinker wrote:
If it was £2.50 each way it's still value for money
Normally find your comments are sensible but this one is laughable and unbecoming, in what way is parting with £5 a day value for money? It would not cost £5 a day in extra fuel to drive out and across via the (free) Runcorn bridge.

You are either wealthy beyond belief that a bill of £1,300 a year for a 5 day week daily commute would not bother you or you don't drive/use the tunnel regularly.

Even at the current discounted tag rate of £1.40 per journey means an annual 'tax' of £728 per annum.

It would be bad enough to have to do this for the short term to pay down the debt and or a nominal fee per annum from local users to cover maintenance costs but given pretty much every other bridge over a stream, river, lake, valley or culvert is funded out of the highways budgets, why should we have to pay even one penny? Road tax was introduce to maintain the roads, the fact that central govt choose to use it in a different manner is not mine your or any other resident of Merseyside's fault nor is it our responsibility to pay for these.

The irony is that the rail tunnels used exclusively by Merseyrail & its travellers carries no toll at all...
Hook, line and sinker!
[quote][p][bold]rover600[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positive thinker[/bold] wrote: If it was £2.50 each way it's still value for money[/p][/quote]Normally find your comments are sensible but this one is laughable and unbecoming, in what way is parting with £5 a day value for money? It would not cost £5 a day in extra fuel to drive out and across via the (free) Runcorn bridge. You are either wealthy beyond belief that a bill of £1,300 a year for a 5 day week daily commute would not bother you or you don't drive/use the tunnel regularly. Even at the current discounted tag rate of £1.40 per journey means an annual 'tax' of £728 per annum. It would be bad enough to have to do this for the short term to pay down the debt and or a nominal fee per annum from local users to cover maintenance costs but given pretty much every other bridge over a stream, river, lake, valley or culvert is funded out of the highways budgets, why should we have to pay even one penny? Road tax was introduce to maintain the roads, the fact that central govt choose to use it in a different manner is not mine your or any other resident of Merseyside's fault nor is it our responsibility to pay for these. The irony is that the rail tunnels used exclusively by Merseyrail & its travellers carries no toll at all...[/p][/quote]Hook, line and sinker! Joeblogg85
  • Score: 2

2:11pm Tue 29 Jul 14

David Scott says...

The big issue is the harm done to the local economy, particularly for Wirral. It discourages economic investment in Wirral relative to the rest of Merseyside and beyond. Making it free for local residents would not solve that. On a separate point, the queuing at the tolls clearly increases pollution.
The big issue is the harm done to the local economy, particularly for Wirral. It discourages economic investment in Wirral relative to the rest of Merseyside and beyond. Making it free for local residents would not solve that. On a separate point, the queuing at the tolls clearly increases pollution. David Scott
  • Score: 6

3:35pm Wed 30 Jul 14

freddieblogger says...

naughtykitties wrote:
Provide me with a way to walk through the tunnel and I might start caring. In the meantime, while I have to pay merseytravel to cross the river, this just looks like drivers demanding exemption from charges applicable to everyone.
Yeah still paying for mersey travel fat cats to make a huge profit. The busses should be forced to run electric to reduce pollution. The trains can be run cheaper than they are now, so many staff standing around doing nothing its a joke. We need to stop these stealth taxes if merseytravel does well, and it always does, it should reflect in the cost of tunnels and busses next time around but they all still get funded by our taxes and then have the cheek to hit us again in the pocket and raise prices when ever they want, its disgusting.
[quote][p][bold]naughtykitties[/bold] wrote: Provide me with a way to walk through the tunnel and I might start caring. In the meantime, while I have to pay merseytravel to cross the river, this just looks like drivers demanding exemption from charges applicable to everyone.[/p][/quote]Yeah still paying for mersey travel fat cats to make a huge profit. The busses should be forced to run electric to reduce pollution. The trains can be run cheaper than they are now, so many staff standing around doing nothing its a joke. We need to stop these stealth taxes if merseytravel does well, and it always does, it should reflect in the cost of tunnels and busses next time around but they all still get funded by our taxes and then have the cheek to hit us again in the pocket and raise prices when ever they want, its disgusting. freddieblogger
  • Score: 8

4:46pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Positive thinker says...

Why do so many people expect something free
Why do so many people expect something free Positive thinker
  • Score: -14

6:00pm Wed 30 Jul 14

rover600 says...

Positive thinker wrote:
Why do so many people expect something free
Why should it not be free? I refer you to my points above, there are probably 4/5 toll roads/bridges in the UK most of which are free to local residents or at such a reduced cost its insignificant, the tunnel tolls are neither low or free.

Would you expect to be charged to drive along Woodchurch road or Laird street or any of the other thousands of roads on the peninsula? No of course not so why are the tunnels any different?

You may argue there are other costs involved in the tunnels and yes maybe they should be funded by a nominal contribution BUT the harsh reality is the tunnels as a stand alone enterprise more than generate enough income yet it is more than heavily indebted. The issue here is the tunnel profits are siphoned off for other purposes whilst little or nothing is done about the debt - as long as the debt exists there will be justification for the excessively high tolls and the regular increases. HOW or WHY is that fair when a sum far greater than the tunnel debt is being spent on a bridge down the road and locals are being told they will be using it FREE! Why is it unreasonable for the drivers/tunnel users of the Wirral and Liverpool to expect the same treatment as in Free Bridge Crossings, Free Tunnel Crossings.? Or do you live in an Orwelian world where "All bridge/tunnel users are equal but some are more equal than others"
[quote][p][bold]Positive thinker[/bold] wrote: Why do so many people expect something free[/p][/quote]Why should it not be free? I refer you to my points above, there are probably 4/5 toll roads/bridges in the UK most of which are free to local residents or at such a reduced cost its insignificant, the tunnel tolls are neither low or free. Would you expect to be charged to drive along Woodchurch road or Laird street or any of the other thousands of roads on the peninsula? No of course not so why are the tunnels any different? You may argue there are other costs involved in the tunnels and yes maybe they should be funded by a nominal contribution BUT the harsh reality is the tunnels as a stand alone enterprise more than generate enough income yet it is more than heavily indebted. The issue here is the tunnel profits are siphoned off for other purposes whilst little or nothing is done about the debt - as long as the debt exists there will be justification for the excessively high tolls and the regular increases. HOW or WHY is that fair when a sum far greater than the tunnel debt is being spent on a bridge down the road and locals are being told they will be using it FREE! Why is it unreasonable for the drivers/tunnel users of the Wirral and Liverpool to expect the same treatment as in Free Bridge Crossings, Free Tunnel Crossings.? Or do you live in an Orwelian world where "All bridge/tunnel users are equal but some are more equal than others" rover600
  • Score: 11

10:30am Fri 1 Aug 14

Local Govwatcher1 says...

The Mersey Tunnels should be paid for and maintained as part of the national Highways budget. No need for tolls then.
The Mersey Tunnels should be paid for and maintained as part of the national Highways budget. No need for tolls then. Local Govwatcher1
  • Score: 12

2:05pm Fri 1 Aug 14

David Scott says...

Tolls for a return trip: Cars £3.40; Car with trailer or light goods vehicle £6.80; HGV (up to 3 axles) £10.20; HGV (4+ axles) £12.80. Any sane business owner will think twice before investing in Wirral in particular (and Merseyside more generally) where an alternative is available.
Tolls for a return trip: Cars £3.40; Car with trailer or light goods vehicle £6.80; HGV (up to 3 axles) £10.20; HGV (4+ axles) £12.80. Any sane business owner will think twice before investing in Wirral in particular (and Merseyside more generally) where an alternative is available. David Scott
  • Score: 11

2:16pm Fri 1 Aug 14

David Scott says...

David Scott wrote:
Tolls for a return trip: Cars £3.40; Car with trailer or light goods vehicle £6.80; HGV (up to 3 axles) £10.20; HGV (4+ axles) £12.80. Any sane business owner will think twice before investing in Wirral in particular (and Merseyside more generally) where an alternative is available.
Correction: HGV (4+ axles) £13.60.
[quote][p][bold]David Scott[/bold] wrote: Tolls for a return trip: Cars £3.40; Car with trailer or light goods vehicle £6.80; HGV (up to 3 axles) £10.20; HGV (4+ axles) £12.80. Any sane business owner will think twice before investing in Wirral in particular (and Merseyside more generally) where an alternative is available.[/p][/quote]Correction: HGV (4+ axles) £13.60. David Scott
  • Score: 7

4:38pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Positive thinker says...

Good value?
Good value? Positive thinker
  • Score: -1

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