New Brighton could become Wirral's first 'dog free beach'

Wirral Globe: New Brighton could become Wirral's first 'dog free beach' New Brighton could become Wirral's first 'dog free beach'

NEW Brighton could become the first place in Wirral to have a “dog free beach”. Wirral Council is currently weighing up whether dogs should be banned from the beach in a bid to keep the sands clean.

A report to the Wallasey constituency committee, which met on Thursday, sought funding for signs and consultation on the proposal, which has been put forward to “help deal with irresponsible dog ownership and provide a more comfortable space for families to enjoy”.

If approved, pooches could be banned during summer months but the report said it is “not to demonise dogs or dog owners”.

The report said: “Consideration will need to be given to the timescales involved to consult upon any proposed introduction of a Dog Control Order and the forthcoming replacement of this order within the Anti Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014.

“If designated, New Brighton would have the first ‘Dog Free Beach’ in Wirral.”

It is understood that no decision will be made until consultation has taken place with all those concerned.

The dog ban is part of a wider plan to respond to issues at Marine Point and the surrounding area as a result of increased visitors and tourism.

It also hopes that bag dispensers will be issued to beach users to collect their rubbish while shops will be encouraged to use compostable food packaging products to reduce waste.

Plaques highlighting areas where fixed penalty notices can be issued would also be installed.

While the report sought permission to carry out a consultation on a Dog Control Order, a spokesman for Wirral Council said the committee “does not have the power” to do so.

The spokesman said: “Applications to designate dog free areas are required to go through due process and public consultation in line with the requirements of the Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act 2005.

“The constituency committee does not have the power to approve such applications however the report does ask the committee to consider providing funding for consultation and signage if such a designation was granted by the council.”

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10:34am Wed 2 Jul 14

tedmac says...

About time too, being a regular visitor to New Brighton I'm amazed by the numder of irresponsible dog owners who don't bother clearing up their dogs toilet, even worse are the early mornig/late evening walkers leaving mounds of excrement along the proms etc. where adults and kids are numerous, time to get rid of these super dog loos by banning dogs from public places.
About time too, being a regular visitor to New Brighton I'm amazed by the numder of irresponsible dog owners who don't bother clearing up their dogs toilet, even worse are the early mornig/late evening walkers leaving mounds of excrement along the proms etc. where adults and kids are numerous, time to get rid of these super dog loos by banning dogs from public places. tedmac
  • Score: -3

1:24pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Susie hardie says...

I live in New Brighton, i walk my dog Mitzi on the beaches with other dog walkers, i pick my dog mess up and i seem to find that there is no bins on the beach area. if there were bins around the beaches then there would be no dog mess, simple. GET BINS ON THE BEACHES
I live in New Brighton, i walk my dog Mitzi on the beaches with other dog walkers, i pick my dog mess up and i seem to find that there is no bins on the beach area. if there were bins around the beaches then there would be no dog mess, simple. GET BINS ON THE BEACHES Susie hardie
  • Score: 9

3:08pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Samshish says...

Great idea here, demonise dog owners, who probably make up a majority of those who visit the beach, and those who regularly go there, and as a result care about the area.

I have regularly travelled to new brighton to take my dog for a walk on the beach, where he can have a good run, and enjoy running on the sand, and anything that he egests ( not excretes unless you want me to pick up where he urinates as well) is picked up, not left in mounds. My experience of the beach is that dog mess is not an issue there, i have very rarely seem any dog mess there, unlike the surrounding area, where it is often found.

If the ban were to be enforced, police, or community patrol officers would have to be present to ensure that it is being kept, so why not actually solve the problem, rather than just shuffle it on elsewhere, and get the same people (so no extra money, less even, with no bylaws needed to be made) to patrol the beaches and check that dog owners look after the area respectfully, like the majority do. This way those who do wrong are punished, but the responsible owners can still enjoy the public space
Great idea here, demonise dog owners, who probably make up a majority of those who visit the beach, and those who regularly go there, and as a result care about the area. I have regularly travelled to new brighton to take my dog for a walk on the beach, where he can have a good run, and enjoy running on the sand, and anything that he egests ( not excretes unless you want me to pick up where he urinates as well) is picked up, not left in mounds. My experience of the beach is that dog mess is not an issue there, i have very rarely seem any dog mess there, unlike the surrounding area, where it is often found. If the ban were to be enforced, police, or community patrol officers would have to be present to ensure that it is being kept, so why not actually solve the problem, rather than just shuffle it on elsewhere, and get the same people (so no extra money, less even, with no bylaws needed to be made) to patrol the beaches and check that dog owners look after the area respectfully, like the majority do. This way those who do wrong are punished, but the responsible owners can still enjoy the public space Samshish
  • Score: 13

6:13pm Wed 2 Jul 14

iratepayer says...

Hey! Leave our dogs alone! Dog wardens are employed to swoop on the half wit dog owners who leave mess. Try picking on the cretins who camp out on the green space along the promenade, near the railway line. Some are there for weeks on end... where are their toilet facilities? Can't see them using doggie bags!
Hey! Leave our dogs alone! Dog wardens are employed to swoop on the half wit dog owners who leave mess. Try picking on the cretins who camp out on the green space along the promenade, near the railway line. Some are there for weeks on end... where are their toilet facilities? Can't see them using doggie bags! iratepayer
  • Score: 4

9:47am Thu 3 Jul 14

Wirral Citizen says...

A very progressive step, and about time. Having lived in The Netherlands where such legal measures are commonplace, it creates clean and safe beaches that can be enjoyed without forensically having to inspect each area of sand for dog mess. Also an atmosphere where the very idea of letting a dog foul the beach becomes socially unacceptable. Yes, there are responsible dog owners here who pick-up their pet's mess, but unfortunately it's the irresponsible ones who are forcing this legislation to be considered.
A very progressive step, and about time. Having lived in The Netherlands where such legal measures are commonplace, it creates clean and safe beaches that can be enjoyed without forensically having to inspect each area of sand for dog mess. Also an atmosphere where the very idea of letting a dog foul the beach becomes socially unacceptable. Yes, there are responsible dog owners here who pick-up their pet's mess, but unfortunately it's the irresponsible ones who are forcing this legislation to be considered. Wirral Citizen
  • Score: -3

2:05pm Thu 3 Jul 14

james04 says...

My dog is dead because of inconsiderate people that can't pick their litter up after them.

Ban people. Especially clueless, overpaid councillors that propose banning things that don't need to be banned.
My dog is dead because of inconsiderate people that can't pick their litter up after them. Ban people. Especially clueless, overpaid councillors that propose banning things that don't need to be banned. james04
  • Score: 4

6:51pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Helenbromborough says...

As a dog owner myself I am outraged at the thought of banning dogs from our beaches. I am a regular visitor to our beaches and have been amazed recently at how much rubbish the general public leave behind. With the summer holidays fast approaching I dread to think what people will leave behind after a day on the beach.
Why as dog owners should we be ostracised from visiting such places. I have lived on the wirral all my life, why should I now be dictated to as to where I should exercise my dog?

Helen
As a dog owner myself I am outraged at the thought of banning dogs from our beaches. I am a regular visitor to our beaches and have been amazed recently at how much rubbish the general public leave behind. With the summer holidays fast approaching I dread to think what people will leave behind after a day on the beach. Why as dog owners should we be ostracised from visiting such places. I have lived on the wirral all my life, why should I now be dictated to as to where I should exercise my dog? Helen Helenbromborough
  • Score: 6

8:26pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Funkymonkey01 says...

I'm disgusted that they are even considering it!! Having a dog keeps people fit and we have every right along with every other person to walk and enjoy our coastline even with a dog!! . I am a responsible dog owner and walk my dogs daily on the beach and pick up after them!
I agree with Luther comments! It's the irresponsible people that leave litter on our beach on nice days that you should be banning NOT dogs!!!
I'm disgusted that they are even considering it!! Having a dog keeps people fit and we have every right along with every other person to walk and enjoy our coastline even with a dog!! . I am a responsible dog owner and walk my dogs daily on the beach and pick up after them! I agree with Luther comments! It's the irresponsible people that leave litter on our beach on nice days that you should be banning NOT dogs!!! Funkymonkey01
  • Score: 6

12:10pm Mon 7 Jul 14

mrs weasel says...

I'm delighted that this restriction is at least being considered - I would love to be able to take my grandson to enjoy our local beaches, but every trip so far has involved avoiding dog mess, being knocked down by a dog that was "only being friendly" or having his football grabbed and ripped to shreds. Yes, there are responsible dog owners out there, and dogs are fine in the right place, but there is nowhere on our lovely peninsula to get away from them. Don't toddlers have rights to exercise and fresh air too?
I'm delighted that this restriction is at least being considered - I would love to be able to take my grandson to enjoy our local beaches, but every trip so far has involved avoiding dog mess, being knocked down by a dog that was "only being friendly" or having his football grabbed and ripped to shreds. Yes, there are responsible dog owners out there, and dogs are fine in the right place, but there is nowhere on our lovely peninsula to get away from them. Don't toddlers have rights to exercise and fresh air too? mrs weasel
  • Score: -3

12:15pm Mon 7 Jul 14

mrs weasel says...

I'm delighted that this issue is at least being considered. I would love to take my grandson to enjoy our local beaches but every trip so far has been spoiled by avoiding dog mess, being knocked down by a dog that was "only playing" or having his football grabbed and shredded. And wherever we go on the Wirral, the dogs have been there first...Yes, dogs need a good run, but don't toddlers need a clean place for fresh air and exercise too?
I'm delighted that this issue is at least being considered. I would love to take my grandson to enjoy our local beaches but every trip so far has been spoiled by avoiding dog mess, being knocked down by a dog that was "only playing" or having his football grabbed and shredded. And wherever we go on the Wirral, the dogs have been there first...Yes, dogs need a good run, but don't toddlers need a clean place for fresh air and exercise too? mrs weasel
  • Score: 0

9:26pm Tue 8 Jul 14

newbylady45 says...

I walk my dog here and pick up after him, I also pick up lots of abandoned food and cartons,cans,broken bottles etc to prevent harm to dogs & kids, as do other dog walkers who are on the beach every day and want to keep it clean and safe. Banning dogs means banning the majority of people who use the beach. The report says “to help deal with irresponsible dog ownership and provide a more comfortable space for families to enjoy” - well, many families have dogs and enjoy walking with them on the beach!! Why can't we ALL enjoy the beach together by ALL acting responsibly and not leaving rubbish.
I walk my dog here and pick up after him, I also pick up lots of abandoned food and cartons,cans,broken bottles etc to prevent harm to dogs & kids, as do other dog walkers who are on the beach every day and want to keep it clean and safe. Banning dogs means banning the majority of people who use the beach. The report says “to help deal with irresponsible dog ownership and provide a more comfortable space for families to enjoy” - well, many families have dogs and enjoy walking with them on the beach!! Why can't we ALL enjoy the beach together by ALL acting responsibly and not leaving rubbish. newbylady45
  • Score: 7

9:32am Wed 9 Jul 14

amanda91 says...

I believe that this ban could be beneficial however, it will probably only mean more dog fouling in other areas such as the prom or the commons. Even though more bins for dog foul would be better, the owners who are leaving their dog foul probably wont think twice about using the bins anyway as they probably aren't willing to pick it up in the first place. i also foresee the bins probably just being set on fire hence why they are not there in the first place. i would hope that people would rather train their dogs to become more controlled off the lead so problems like some highlighted above in the comments wouldn't happen. i am a horse owner and i enjoy riding on the beach but when i see a dog or two, i steer well clear due to nasty experiences that have happened to me in the past. that is why i am always so thankful when people do have the consideration to control their dog and put it on the lead when they see a horse and rider.
I believe that this ban could be beneficial however, it will probably only mean more dog fouling in other areas such as the prom or the commons. Even though more bins for dog foul would be better, the owners who are leaving their dog foul probably wont think twice about using the bins anyway as they probably aren't willing to pick it up in the first place. i also foresee the bins probably just being set on fire hence why they are not there in the first place. i would hope that people would rather train their dogs to become more controlled off the lead so problems like some highlighted above in the comments wouldn't happen. i am a horse owner and i enjoy riding on the beach but when i see a dog or two, i steer well clear due to nasty experiences that have happened to me in the past. that is why i am always so thankful when people do have the consideration to control their dog and put it on the lead when they see a horse and rider. amanda91
  • Score: -7

10:18am Sun 13 Jul 14

tfenna says...

Pushing the problem elsewhere is not the solution. If I had to suggest a solution, it'd be licences for all dog owners (same as car drivers), making it easier to identify and fine on the spot people who don't clear up after their dogs. There are no bad dogs, only bad owners.
If dogs can't use the beach in summer, they'll use local parks (Vale, Tower Grounds) both of which are already very people/ child orientated and hugely popular in season. Bans there would quickly follow I'm sure!
So, are we not to grant our pets off-lead exercise during the summer?? Animal welfare issues right there!

If a ban is enforced, I for one (as a change), will not acknowledge it. My dog is well trained, socialised and I always clear up after her.
(afterthought... Where will all the visiting toddlers toilet after the ban? I've lost count of how many parents I've witnessed allowing their youngest to go behind the rocks. It's not really an issue, I understand it's natural. When they gotta go, they gotta go, right?)
Pushing the problem elsewhere is not the solution. If I had to suggest a solution, it'd be licences for all dog owners (same as car drivers), making it easier to identify and fine on the spot people who don't clear up after their dogs. There are no bad dogs, only bad owners. If dogs can't use the beach in summer, they'll use local parks (Vale, Tower Grounds) both of which are already very people/ child orientated and hugely popular in season. Bans there would quickly follow I'm sure! So, are we not to grant our pets off-lead exercise during the summer?? Animal welfare issues right there! If a ban is enforced, I for one (as a change), will not acknowledge it. My dog is well trained, socialised and I always clear up after her. (afterthought... Where will all the visiting toddlers toilet after the ban? I've lost count of how many parents I've witnessed allowing their youngest to go behind the rocks. It's not really an issue, I understand it's natural. When they gotta go, they gotta go, right?) tfenna
  • Score: 5

8:49am Wed 16 Jul 14

kateob04 says...

I am a responsible dog owner and walk my dog every day on the beaches in New Brighton. I always clean up after my dog and he is well behaved around other dogs, children and families. As somebody who frequents the beaches on a daily basis I have to say that I cannot remember the last time I saw dog foul on the beach, however, I am disgusted at the amount of litter that is not only found on the beach but that also swills around the marina in huge quantities!! My dog loves to swim but has recently had to refrain from taking a dip in the marina because of the huge amount of rubbish floating on the water. I appreciate that dog waste is an issue in some areas, indeed I have a problem with it on my own street, however, banning all dogs from public spaces such as the beach is just plain unfair and fails to address the wider issue of irresponsible dog owners in other areas and the cleanliness of the beaches/promenade in general. What is needed is greater patrolling and control of litterbugs in general, to include those dog owners who don't pick up as well as those people who discard of their rubbish into the marina and or leave it behind rather than clearing up after themselves!!!
I am a responsible dog owner and walk my dog every day on the beaches in New Brighton. I always clean up after my dog and he is well behaved around other dogs, children and families. As somebody who frequents the beaches on a daily basis I have to say that I cannot remember the last time I saw dog foul on the beach, however, I am disgusted at the amount of litter that is not only found on the beach but that also swills around the marina in huge quantities!! My dog loves to swim but has recently had to refrain from taking a dip in the marina because of the huge amount of rubbish floating on the water. I appreciate that dog waste is an issue in some areas, indeed I have a problem with it on my own street, however, banning all dogs from public spaces such as the beach is just plain unfair and fails to address the wider issue of irresponsible dog owners in other areas and the cleanliness of the beaches/promenade in general. What is needed is greater patrolling and control of litterbugs in general, to include those dog owners who don't pick up as well as those people who discard of their rubbish into the marina and or leave it behind rather than clearing up after themselves!!! kateob04
  • Score: 4

8:53am Wed 16 Jul 14

kateob04 says...

amanda91 wrote:
I believe that this ban could be beneficial however, it will probably only mean more dog fouling in other areas such as the prom or the commons. Even though more bins for dog foul would be better, the owners who are leaving their dog foul probably wont think twice about using the bins anyway as they probably aren't willing to pick it up in the first place. i also foresee the bins probably just being set on fire hence why they are not there in the first place. i would hope that people would rather train their dogs to become more controlled off the lead so problems like some highlighted above in the comments wouldn't happen. i am a horse owner and i enjoy riding on the beach but when i see a dog or two, i steer well clear due to nasty experiences that have happened to me in the past. that is why i am always so thankful when people do have the consideration to control their dog and put it on the lead when they see a horse and rider.
Do you carry a bag to clean up after your horse?? I've seen more horse excrement on the beach/public pathways at the leasowe end of the beach than dog foul and I have NEVER seen a rider clean up after themselves!!!!
[quote][p][bold]amanda91[/bold] wrote: I believe that this ban could be beneficial however, it will probably only mean more dog fouling in other areas such as the prom or the commons. Even though more bins for dog foul would be better, the owners who are leaving their dog foul probably wont think twice about using the bins anyway as they probably aren't willing to pick it up in the first place. i also foresee the bins probably just being set on fire hence why they are not there in the first place. i would hope that people would rather train their dogs to become more controlled off the lead so problems like some highlighted above in the comments wouldn't happen. i am a horse owner and i enjoy riding on the beach but when i see a dog or two, i steer well clear due to nasty experiences that have happened to me in the past. that is why i am always so thankful when people do have the consideration to control their dog and put it on the lead when they see a horse and rider.[/p][/quote]Do you carry a bag to clean up after your horse?? I've seen more horse excrement on the beach/public pathways at the leasowe end of the beach than dog foul and I have NEVER seen a rider clean up after themselves!!!! kateob04
  • Score: 3

8:57pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Billy_Briggins says...

In France, they actually have bag dispensers for owners to clean up their dogs' mess, if they're dozy enough to come out the house without bags. Surely this would be a better answer, rather than banning everybody. The moment dog owners are banned from a beach, you're banning *them* as well as the dog, and means they can't visit the beach at all in the Summer months. Surely that's unfair.
In France, they actually have bag dispensers for owners to clean up their dogs' mess, if they're dozy enough to come out the house without bags. Surely this would be a better answer, rather than banning everybody. The moment dog owners are banned from a beach, you're banning *them* as well as the dog, and means they can't visit the beach at all in the Summer months. Surely that's unfair. Billy_Briggins
  • Score: 2

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