Tragic result of anti-social behaviour: Mum-to-be miscarried after being confronted by gang of teenagers on Wirral beach

Tragic result of anti-social behaviour: Mum-to-be miscarried after being confronted by gang of teenagers on Wirral beach

Tragic result of anti-social behaviour: Mum-to-be miscarried after being confronted by gang of teenagers on Wirral beach

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A WIRRAL mother suffered a miscarriage after she was terrorised by a gang of youths in West Kirby.

The 37 year old – who does not wish to be named – lost her unborn daughter following the confrontation as she walked along West Kirby beach at around 9.30pm on May 30.

A spokesman for Merseyside Police said patrols attended and searched the area following the incident, during which four youths ran away from officers.

After coming across the group, who were drinking, throwing cans and acting in an abusive manner, the woman – who was four months' pregnant – asked them to behave but was met with a torrent of abuse.

She was subject to a vicious verbal assault, with one girl making “menacing” threats towards her.

Although the mother-of-one was not physically hurt, the ordeal left her extremely shaken and sadly, she suffered a miscarriage later that evening.

Her husband,  who also wishes to remain anonymous, said the “scum” responsible need to be brought to justice for what he deems a crime rather than antisocial behaviour.

“Until recently we felt safe in the area and we chose to bring up our family here,” he explained, adding that his wife will now think twice about going for a walk on her own.

"I doubt those involved will read newspapers, but I hope somebody who knows them does read this and has a conscience.

"Scum like this will have bragged about it, and posted about it on social media. They need to be forced to face up to the consequences of their actions.

"I was born and brought up in the area, and coming back here has been a shock.

“I have seen gangs of teenagers wandering around West Kirby, even during the day, drinking and shouting abuse at people."

Although accepting that it is a minority causing the problems in West Kirby and further afield in Wirral, the grieving father said it is becoming more frequent.

"This is not ‘anti-social behaviour’, it is a crime," he said.

"This is not ‘harmless fun’, it is ruining people’s lives.

"Either we accept this, and watch the area head into a sharp decline, or we put a stop to it. I appreciate how overstretched the police are, and the pathetic punishments handed out are not acting as a deterrent."

While the family come to terms with their loss, police say patrols have been stepped up in the area.

A spokesman for Merseyside Police said: “Anti-social behaviour can have a devastating impact on the community and cannot be underestimated.

"Offenders should be warned that Merseyside Police will not tolerate the small minority ruining local communities and those involved in anti-social behaviour.

"Merseyside Police would always encourage anyone suffering as a result of anti-social behaviour to call us immediately."

You can call police on 101 or alternatively speak to Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111. Always dial 999 in the case of an emergency.

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2:06pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Wirralrob says...

'4 youths ran off from police'

CCTV? Merseyrail? Morisons Car Park? Doesn't your local police force care? Local Wirral officers with bums glued to car seats?

Gives the rest of the police a bad name this kind of rubbish.
'4 youths ran off from police' CCTV? Merseyrail? Morisons Car Park? Doesn't your local police force care? Local Wirral officers with bums glued to car seats? Gives the rest of the police a bad name this kind of rubbish. Wirralrob
  • Score: 31

4:50pm Mon 16 Jun 14

rover600 says...

It's sad, its disgusting that people have to suffer this sort of abuse and yes it is a problem that needs sorting out, this isn't a one off. a few weeks ago parked up outside a shop close to Birkenhead town centre minding my own business a gang of youths walked down the street, one as he approached tightened his hood and raised a scarf so that just his eyes were visible then made a gun like motion with his hand/fingers in my direction. Not funny but hardly a crime that the Police are going to do anything about.
This is part of a much bigger picture that involves parents taking responsibility for their children, 90% of them who let their 'little angels' roam the streets in gangs have no idea where they are or what they are doing. They aren't bothered about holding them responsible for their actions either from what I see. Thankfully there is a better side to the Wirral and it's children in general than these waste of space individuals.
It would make a massive difference if our Police officers got out of their cars and did as happened in yesteryear as in walked the beat! As today's generation of officers and their command have never had to walk the beat with frequency it is sadly an alien concept to them. Those of us old enough to remember bobbies walking the beat know different but as always the current generation know best...
It's sad, its disgusting that people have to suffer this sort of abuse and yes it is a problem that needs sorting out, this isn't a one off. a few weeks ago parked up outside a shop close to Birkenhead town centre minding my own business a gang of youths walked down the street, one as he approached tightened his hood and raised a scarf so that just his eyes were visible then made a gun like motion with his hand/fingers in my direction. Not funny but hardly a crime that the Police are going to do anything about. This is part of a much bigger picture that involves parents taking responsibility for their children, 90% of them who let their 'little angels' roam the streets in gangs have no idea where they are or what they are doing. They aren't bothered about holding them responsible for their actions either from what I see. Thankfully there is a better side to the Wirral and it's children in general than these waste of space individuals. It would make a massive difference if our Police officers got out of their cars and did as happened in yesteryear as in walked the beat! As today's generation of officers and their command have never had to walk the beat with frequency it is sadly an alien concept to them. Those of us old enough to remember bobbies walking the beat know different but as always the current generation know best... rover600
  • Score: 36

12:00pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Llamedos 1 says...

I always argued that Panda cars as they were originally know was the start of the decline of the Police force. I totally concur with Rover 600. There would be less crime with officers on the beat. I know community police have been introduced on the cheap but the perpetrators of anti social behaviour extract the michael out of these people.
I always argued that Panda cars as they were originally know was the start of the decline of the Police force. I totally concur with Rover 600. There would be less crime with officers on the beat. I know community police have been introduced on the cheap but the perpetrators of anti social behaviour extract the michael out of these people. Llamedos 1
  • Score: 14

10:23am Wed 18 Jun 14

rover600 says...

Llamedos 1 wrote:
I always argued that Panda cars as they were originally know was the start of the decline of the Police force. I totally concur with Rover 600. There would be less crime with officers on the beat. I know community police have been introduced on the cheap but the perpetrators of anti social behaviour extract the michael out of these people.
The Community Officers aptly named 'Plastic Policemen' have little or no authority other than to take the abuse and radio in and hope 'The Real Police turn up' but at that stage it's all too late. Our Police, in the main 'Police' reactively' as in wait for the crime to happen and then respond to it, sad their leaders are too blinkered to realise that by having a regular visible presence on foot they would a) reduce the chances of crime and b) probably pick up more 'intel' on more serious crime by gaining the public's trust.

Even in today's echo there is a piece on finding a cannabis factory in Whetstone lane and an officer is quoted as saying (sic) if people spot any tell tale signs such as a lot of visitors or strangers to a property or a strong smell coming from one report it.... Well its a 100% certainty a bobby walking the beat would smell the cannabis whereas driving around in a patrol car past the same house 100 times a day and they'd be totally oblivious to all of this.
Sadly it isn't just Merseyside Police who lack vision on this or 'know better' it's forces in general, that does not make their policy right though - far from it, on this 'We the public definitely know best'!
[quote][p][bold]Llamedos 1[/bold] wrote: I always argued that Panda cars as they were originally know was the start of the decline of the Police force. I totally concur with Rover 600. There would be less crime with officers on the beat. I know community police have been introduced on the cheap but the perpetrators of anti social behaviour extract the michael out of these people.[/p][/quote]The Community Officers aptly named 'Plastic Policemen' have little or no authority other than to take the abuse and radio in and hope 'The Real Police turn up' but at that stage it's all too late. Our Police, in the main 'Police' reactively' as in wait for the crime to happen and then respond to it, sad their leaders are too blinkered to realise that by having a regular visible presence on foot they would a) reduce the chances of crime and b) probably pick up more 'intel' on more serious crime by gaining the public's trust. Even in today's echo there is a piece on finding a cannabis factory in Whetstone lane and an officer is quoted as saying (sic) if people spot any tell tale signs such as a lot of visitors or strangers to a property or a strong smell coming from one report it.... Well its a 100% certainty a bobby walking the beat would smell the cannabis whereas driving around in a patrol car past the same house 100 times a day and they'd be totally oblivious to all of this. Sadly it isn't just Merseyside Police who lack vision on this or 'know better' it's forces in general, that does not make their policy right though - far from it, on this 'We the public definitely know best'! rover600
  • Score: 15

12:46pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Llamedos 1 says...

Spot on Rover, exactly my point.
Spot on Rover, exactly my point. Llamedos 1
  • Score: 7

8:18am Fri 20 Jun 14

Roadkill says...

I think it's a bit of a stretch to blame these kids for the woman having a miscarriage. They shouted abuse at her, that's all the report (for all its hysterical overtones - the headline in the actual paper is even more misleading) can confirm. If this couple lived in Birkenhead, they'd unfortunately experience that practically every day.

Sounds like the husband needs to acquaint himself with the real world and perhaps ask himself why kids (in posh West Kirby no less - oh, the shame) behave like this in the first place, instead of making wild accusations and sweeping generalisations.
I think it's a bit of a stretch to blame these kids for the woman having a miscarriage. They shouted abuse at her, that's all the report (for all its hysterical overtones - the headline in the actual paper is even more misleading) can confirm. If this couple lived in Birkenhead, they'd unfortunately experience that practically every day. Sounds like the husband needs to acquaint himself with the real world and perhaps ask himself why kids (in posh West Kirby no less - oh, the shame) behave like this in the first place, instead of making wild accusations and sweeping generalisations. Roadkill
  • Score: -29

8:21am Fri 20 Jun 14

Roadkill says...

Oh, and the woman wasn't "confronted" by the youths. She approached them and "told them off" (we have to guess at what she said because the report - or the woman's statement - is deliberately vague on this point). Naturally, the kids responded defensively; who wouldn't at that age?
Oh, and the woman wasn't "confronted" by the youths. She approached them and "told them off" (we have to guess at what she said because the report - or the woman's statement - is deliberately vague on this point). Naturally, the kids responded defensively; who wouldn't at that age? Roadkill
  • Score: -25

8:07pm Fri 20 Jun 14

NorthernHeights says...

Roadkill wrote:
I think it's a bit of a stretch to blame these kids for the woman having a miscarriage. They shouted abuse at her, that's all the report (for all its hysterical overtones - the headline in the actual paper is even more misleading) can confirm. If this couple lived in Birkenhead, they'd unfortunately experience that practically every day.

Sounds like the husband needs to acquaint himself with the real world and perhaps ask himself why kids (in posh West Kirby no less - oh, the shame) behave like this in the first place, instead of making wild accusations and sweeping generalisations.
So, 'Roadkill', I'm assuming by your defence of these 'kids' that you are in some way connected to them; one of their parents perhaps?

I'm a family friend of the couple involved, so I've been made fully aware of the events that evening. The mother involved did 'confront' the gang of youths: they were drinking (underage) in an alcohol-free zone, shouting abuse at people and throwing cans. She asked them to quieten down and pick up their litter. Did that warrant abuse and threats? That is when she felt threatened. Is that your idea of 'kids behaving defensively'?!

Are you seriously suggesting that this is acceptable behaviour?

Also, what has it got to do with West Kirby? Nobody in any area should have to put up with that.

As for 'asking why the kids behave like this': are you seriously suggesting that these poor kids had nothing to do so needed to get drunk and abuse and threaten people?!

This couple have been through enough already without some worthless troll like you making it worse. I suggest you spend your time more constructively, bringing up your kids properly.
[quote][p][bold]Roadkill[/bold] wrote: I think it's a bit of a stretch to blame these kids for the woman having a miscarriage. They shouted abuse at her, that's all the report (for all its hysterical overtones - the headline in the actual paper is even more misleading) can confirm. If this couple lived in Birkenhead, they'd unfortunately experience that practically every day. Sounds like the husband needs to acquaint himself with the real world and perhaps ask himself why kids (in posh West Kirby no less - oh, the shame) behave like this in the first place, instead of making wild accusations and sweeping generalisations.[/p][/quote]So, 'Roadkill', I'm assuming by your defence of these 'kids' that you are in some way connected to them; one of their parents perhaps? I'm a family friend of the couple involved, so I've been made fully aware of the events that evening. The mother involved did 'confront' the gang of youths: they were drinking (underage) in an alcohol-free zone, shouting abuse at people and throwing cans. She asked them to quieten down and pick up their litter. Did that warrant abuse and threats? That is when she felt threatened. Is that your idea of 'kids behaving defensively'?! Are you seriously suggesting that this is acceptable behaviour? Also, what has it got to do with West Kirby? Nobody in any area should have to put up with that. As for 'asking why the kids behave like this': are you seriously suggesting that these poor kids had nothing to do so needed to get drunk and abuse and threaten people?! This couple have been through enough already without some worthless troll like you making it worse. I suggest you spend your time more constructively, bringing up your kids properly. NorthernHeights
  • Score: 20

9:40pm Fri 20 Jun 14

bluey says...

Llamedos 1 wrote:
I always argued that Panda cars as they were originally know was the start of the decline of the Police force. I totally concur with Rover 600. There would be less crime with officers on the beat. I know community police have been introduced on the cheap but the perpetrators of anti social behaviour extract the michael out of these people.
Yes, imagine trying to police every corner of the Wirral on foot with the latest cuts the police have suffered.
[quote][p][bold]Llamedos 1[/bold] wrote: I always argued that Panda cars as they were originally know was the start of the decline of the Police force. I totally concur with Rover 600. There would be less crime with officers on the beat. I know community police have been introduced on the cheap but the perpetrators of anti social behaviour extract the michael out of these people.[/p][/quote]Yes, imagine trying to police every corner of the Wirral on foot with the latest cuts the police have suffered. bluey
  • Score: 2

9:42pm Fri 20 Jun 14

bluey says...

rover600 wrote:
Llamedos 1 wrote:
I always argued that Panda cars as they were originally know was the start of the decline of the Police force. I totally concur with Rover 600. There would be less crime with officers on the beat. I know community police have been introduced on the cheap but the perpetrators of anti social behaviour extract the michael out of these people.
The Community Officers aptly named 'Plastic Policemen' have little or no authority other than to take the abuse and radio in and hope 'The Real Police turn up' but at that stage it's all too late. Our Police, in the main 'Police' reactively' as in wait for the crime to happen and then respond to it, sad their leaders are too blinkered to realise that by having a regular visible presence on foot they would a) reduce the chances of crime and b) probably pick up more 'intel' on more serious crime by gaining the public's trust.

Even in today's echo there is a piece on finding a cannabis factory in Whetstone lane and an officer is quoted as saying (sic) if people spot any tell tale signs such as a lot of visitors or strangers to a property or a strong smell coming from one report it.... Well its a 100% certainty a bobby walking the beat would smell the cannabis whereas driving around in a patrol car past the same house 100 times a day and they'd be totally oblivious to all of this.
Sadly it isn't just Merseyside Police who lack vision on this or 'know better' it's forces in general, that does not make their policy right though - far from it, on this 'We the public definitely know best'!
Yes, lets put all officers on foot, less area covered, poor response times etc, is that what we want. Dont forget that policing numbers have dropped drastically.
[quote][p][bold]rover600[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llamedos 1[/bold] wrote: I always argued that Panda cars as they were originally know was the start of the decline of the Police force. I totally concur with Rover 600. There would be less crime with officers on the beat. I know community police have been introduced on the cheap but the perpetrators of anti social behaviour extract the michael out of these people.[/p][/quote]The Community Officers aptly named 'Plastic Policemen' have little or no authority other than to take the abuse and radio in and hope 'The Real Police turn up' but at that stage it's all too late. Our Police, in the main 'Police' reactively' as in wait for the crime to happen and then respond to it, sad their leaders are too blinkered to realise that by having a regular visible presence on foot they would a) reduce the chances of crime and b) probably pick up more 'intel' on more serious crime by gaining the public's trust. Even in today's echo there is a piece on finding a cannabis factory in Whetstone lane and an officer is quoted as saying (sic) if people spot any tell tale signs such as a lot of visitors or strangers to a property or a strong smell coming from one report it.... Well its a 100% certainty a bobby walking the beat would smell the cannabis whereas driving around in a patrol car past the same house 100 times a day and they'd be totally oblivious to all of this. Sadly it isn't just Merseyside Police who lack vision on this or 'know better' it's forces in general, that does not make their policy right though - far from it, on this 'We the public definitely know best'![/p][/quote]Yes, lets put all officers on foot, less area covered, poor response times etc, is that what we want. Dont forget that policing numbers have dropped drastically. bluey
  • Score: 4

12:27am Sat 21 Jun 14

bearish77 says...

Roadkill wrote:
Oh, and the woman wasn't "confronted" by the youths. She approached them and "told them off" (we have to guess at what she said because the report - or the woman's statement - is deliberately vague on this point). Naturally, the kids responded defensively; who wouldn't at that age?
Get a grip mate. A WOMAN LOST HER BABY AND YOU'RE HAVING A GO AT HER AND HER FELLA. These teenagers threatened a pregnant woman but you go and defend them. I don't live in what YOU'D call a posh area but if my kids behaved like this I'd be the first to take them down the station. Have some decency and let the couple grieve in peace. Sympathies to the family.
[quote][p][bold]Roadkill[/bold] wrote: Oh, and the woman wasn't "confronted" by the youths. She approached them and "told them off" (we have to guess at what she said because the report - or the woman's statement - is deliberately vague on this point). Naturally, the kids responded defensively; who wouldn't at that age?[/p][/quote]Get a grip mate. A WOMAN LOST HER BABY AND YOU'RE HAVING A GO AT HER AND HER FELLA. These teenagers threatened a pregnant woman but you go and defend them. I don't live in what YOU'D call a posh area but if my kids behaved like this I'd be the first to take them down the station. Have some decency and let the couple grieve in peace. Sympathies to the family. bearish77
  • Score: 30

11:53am Sat 21 Jun 14

Irby_Dragons says...

Roadkill wrote:
I think it's a bit of a stretch to blame these kids for the woman having a miscarriage. They shouted abuse at her, that's all the report (for all its hysterical overtones - the headline in the actual paper is even more misleading) can confirm. If this couple lived in Birkenhead, they'd unfortunately experience that practically every day.

Sounds like the husband needs to acquaint himself with the real world and perhaps ask himself why kids (in posh West Kirby no less - oh, the shame) behave like this in the first place, instead of making wild accusations and sweeping generalisations.
I have never been one to comment on these articles, but your sheer lack of sensitivity (I'm putting it mildly) has angered me so much I feel I have to respond. I have a horrible feeling that I know the couple being reported on as a result of my job. The woman already has a young child and was safely beyond the “riskier” 3 month stage of pregnancy – there was nothing medical to suggest she would have any problems. I believe that her experiences that evening were the cause of her miscarriage. It appears that you are blaming the mother whose baby has died rather than the gang. You disgust me. I think “NorthernHeights
is right and you are the parent of or otherwise know one of this gang. You are trying to deflect blame away from the kids involved and onto the victim. My heart goes out to this couple.
[quote][p][bold]Roadkill[/bold] wrote: I think it's a bit of a stretch to blame these kids for the woman having a miscarriage. They shouted abuse at her, that's all the report (for all its hysterical overtones - the headline in the actual paper is even more misleading) can confirm. If this couple lived in Birkenhead, they'd unfortunately experience that practically every day. Sounds like the husband needs to acquaint himself with the real world and perhaps ask himself why kids (in posh West Kirby no less - oh, the shame) behave like this in the first place, instead of making wild accusations and sweeping generalisations.[/p][/quote]I have never been one to comment on these articles, but your sheer lack of sensitivity (I'm putting it mildly) has angered me so much I feel I have to respond. I have a horrible feeling that I know the couple being reported on as a result of my job. The woman already has a young child and was safely beyond the “riskier” 3 month stage of pregnancy – there was nothing medical to suggest she would have any problems. I believe that her experiences that evening were the cause of her miscarriage. It appears that you are blaming the mother whose baby has died rather than the gang. You disgust me. I think “NorthernHeights is right and you are the parent of or otherwise know one of this gang. You are trying to deflect blame away from the kids involved and onto the victim. My heart goes out to this couple. Irby_Dragons
  • Score: 19

11:03am Sun 22 Jun 14

Caroline Cornflake says...

Quote.

Roadkill wrote:
Oh, and the woman wasn't "confronted" by the youths. She approached them and "told them off" (we have to guess at what she said because the report - or the woman's statement - is deliberately vague on this point). Naturally, the kids responded defensively; who wouldn't at that age?

A young mum looses her unborn child after being abused by teenagers and Roadkill publishes such an insensitive and distasteful comment! Shame on you Roadkill, have a heart, do the decent thing and publish your apology.

Every decent person in Wirral is appaled by this tragic occurance. Our heartfelt sympathy goes out to the parents and their friends.

As for the kids involve, turn yourselves in, you will only get a caution at worst and be free to roam the streets behaving like drunken scum within the hour. If West Kirby was as posh as 'Roadkill' (the name says it all) claims, then I guess the parents would have taken their offspring to the police station by now. Please parents do the right thing and dob them in.

Should we be surprised that the key offender in this incident was a young woman, probably not, but as a grandmother this whole incident and Roadkills response to it sickens me.
Quote. Roadkill wrote: Oh, and the woman wasn't "confronted" by the youths. She approached them and "told them off" (we have to guess at what she said because the report - or the woman's statement - is deliberately vague on this point). Naturally, the kids responded defensively; who wouldn't at that age? A young mum looses her unborn child after being abused by teenagers and Roadkill publishes such an insensitive and distasteful comment! Shame on you Roadkill, have a heart, do the decent thing and publish your apology. Every decent person in Wirral is appaled by this tragic occurance. Our heartfelt sympathy goes out to the parents and their friends. As for the kids involve, turn yourselves in, you will only get a caution at worst and be free to roam the streets behaving like drunken scum within the hour. If West Kirby was as posh as 'Roadkill' (the name says it all) claims, then I guess the parents would have taken their offspring to the police station by now. Please parents do the right thing and dob them in. Should we be surprised that the key offender in this incident was a young woman, probably not, but as a grandmother this whole incident and Roadkills response to it sickens me. Caroline Cornflake
  • Score: 14

10:49am Fri 27 Jun 14

rover600 says...

bluey wrote:
rover600 wrote:
Llamedos 1 wrote:
I always argued that Panda cars as they were originally know was the start of the decline of the Police force. I totally concur with Rover 600. There would be less crime with officers on the beat. I know community police have been introduced on the cheap but the perpetrators of anti social behaviour extract the michael out of these people.
The Community Officers aptly named 'Plastic Policemen' have little or no authority other than to take the abuse and radio in and hope 'The Real Police turn up' but at that stage it's all too late. Our Police, in the main 'Police' reactively' as in wait for the crime to happen and then respond to it, sad their leaders are too blinkered to realise that by having a regular visible presence on foot they would a) reduce the chances of crime and b) probably pick up more 'intel' on more serious crime by gaining the public's trust.

Even in today's echo there is a piece on finding a cannabis factory in Whetstone lane and an officer is quoted as saying (sic) if people spot any tell tale signs such as a lot of visitors or strangers to a property or a strong smell coming from one report it.... Well its a 100% certainty a bobby walking the beat would smell the cannabis whereas driving around in a patrol car past the same house 100 times a day and they'd be totally oblivious to all of this.
Sadly it isn't just Merseyside Police who lack vision on this or 'know better' it's forces in general, that does not make their policy right though - far from it, on this 'We the public definitely know best'!
Yes, lets put all officers on foot, less area covered, poor response times etc, is that what we want. Dont forget that policing numbers have dropped drastically.
Sounds like you are 'in the job' and are blinkered to the facts of yesteryear - Whilst Police numbers have declined that is from a much higher numbers which peaked in the 90's. It also raises the massive strategy and policy flaw of as numbers are 'so few in your view' why is it you hardly ever see a Police office on their own, when you come across the Police either in cars or occasionally on foot (mainly walking through the middle of a shopping precinct that has its own security teams!) its like 'date night' as in always in pairs. When someone has the sense to realise splitting up pairs doubles resource the Wirral and other areas of the County & Country at large WILL be bettered served and crime will fall.

I'm not talking out of my backside, my father was in the force for 30 years, I have more relatives than you can 'shake a stick at' who have served in the Police, even they acknowledge that walking the beat is more positive policing than swanning around in a Police Car!

You say reduced response times, I say reduced crime levels thereby having little or no impact on response times. Seriously, its time to take the blinkers off.
[quote][p][bold]bluey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rover600[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llamedos 1[/bold] wrote: I always argued that Panda cars as they were originally know was the start of the decline of the Police force. I totally concur with Rover 600. There would be less crime with officers on the beat. I know community police have been introduced on the cheap but the perpetrators of anti social behaviour extract the michael out of these people.[/p][/quote]The Community Officers aptly named 'Plastic Policemen' have little or no authority other than to take the abuse and radio in and hope 'The Real Police turn up' but at that stage it's all too late. Our Police, in the main 'Police' reactively' as in wait for the crime to happen and then respond to it, sad their leaders are too blinkered to realise that by having a regular visible presence on foot they would a) reduce the chances of crime and b) probably pick up more 'intel' on more serious crime by gaining the public's trust. Even in today's echo there is a piece on finding a cannabis factory in Whetstone lane and an officer is quoted as saying (sic) if people spot any tell tale signs such as a lot of visitors or strangers to a property or a strong smell coming from one report it.... Well its a 100% certainty a bobby walking the beat would smell the cannabis whereas driving around in a patrol car past the same house 100 times a day and they'd be totally oblivious to all of this. Sadly it isn't just Merseyside Police who lack vision on this or 'know better' it's forces in general, that does not make their policy right though - far from it, on this 'We the public definitely know best'![/p][/quote]Yes, lets put all officers on foot, less area covered, poor response times etc, is that what we want. Dont forget that policing numbers have dropped drastically.[/p][/quote]Sounds like you are 'in the job' and are blinkered to the facts of yesteryear - Whilst Police numbers have declined that is from a much higher numbers which peaked in the 90's. It also raises the massive strategy and policy flaw of as numbers are 'so few in your view' why is it you hardly ever see a Police office on their own, when you come across the Police either in cars or occasionally on foot (mainly walking through the middle of a shopping precinct that has its own security teams!) its like 'date night' as in always in pairs. When someone has the sense to realise splitting up pairs doubles resource the Wirral and other areas of the County & Country at large WILL be bettered served and crime will fall. I'm not talking out of my backside, my father was in the force for 30 years, I have more relatives than you can 'shake a stick at' who have served in the Police, even they acknowledge that walking the beat is more positive policing than swanning around in a Police Car! You say reduced response times, I say reduced crime levels thereby having little or no impact on response times. Seriously, its time to take the blinkers off. rover600
  • Score: 3

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