Wirral Council drops budget bombshell warning 500 jobs could be axed

500 jobs at risk as Wirral Council tries to save £57m by 2017

500 jobs at risk as Wirral Council tries to save £57m by 2017

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A FURTHER 500 jobs are at risk at Wirral Council as part of plans to save £57m.

An email seen by the Globe has been sent to all staff by chief executive Graham Burgess, warning they may face compulsory redundancy.

Mr Burgess says the council has made “significant progress” by meeting budget cuts in previous years, but still faces “substantial challenges”.

The announcement will be a body blow to the workforce, which saw its numbers fall by more than 1,100 through voluntary severance in 2011.

And last year there were union protests outside Wallasey Town Hall over plans to cut up to 700 jobs under reduced redundancy terms.

The email says: “Based on budget decisions which have already been taken, our workforce will have to further reduce by around 500 over the coming months.

“Given the tough budget choices the council still needs to take, it is inevitable that additional reductions will need to be made over the next two years.

“Therefore, we have today issued a HR1 Notification. This notification is a legal step we are required to take to formally notify Trade Unions and the Government that we will potentially need to make compulsory redundancies. 

“To enable the council to plan its restructures, and to provide a small reduction in the number of compulsory redundancies that will be needed, we would like to invite applications for voluntary severance by June 30, 2014.”

Mr Burgess told the Globe: "Given the swingeing reductions in our grant funding that we, in line with other deprived northern authorities, are facing over the next couple of years, even more staff reductions seem inevitable."

As well as delivering savings of £57m between 2014 and 2016 - £9.4m of which will be found by redesigning the council and its staffing structure – the authority must also reduce spending by 20% - something Mr Burgess says “is everybody’s problem”.

The email states that decisions will be based on whether a post can be deleted or whether savings from the post can be realigned through planned restructures.

It concludes: “Clearly our priority is to continue to deliver services, particularly to those who are most vulnerable. For that reason, there are some roles, and some skill areas, where staff can’t be released.

“Decisions will be made and shared with employees between July and September. Requests which can be approved immediately may see some staff released from employment earlier.

“Staff may be released later if there is a decision to stop or change the service delivery.”

The jobs bombshell coincided with the disclosure this week that the authority has recently spent £17,000 redecorating toilets in the town hall.

Deputy Conservative group leader Lesley Rennie said the council should stop spending money on refurbishments before it thinks about axing staff.

She said: “I hope they can look at areas other than making people compulsory redundant because that’s something all political parties on the council have tried to shy away from.

“Our group are certainly not convinced that they have made all possible savings in every other field.

“They can find nearly £1m to employ consultants and redecorate and refurbish the town hall. They wrap it up as if it’s all being done for health and safety reasons, but these items are not essential spending, especially with the financial constraints we are working under.

“Until they have examined all those decisions, we as a group will certainly voice our opposition to compulsory redundancies."

Wallasey Consevative councillor Leah Fraser added: "On a day when they're defending spending £17,000 on refurbishing toilets at the town hall, the chief executive sends an email to all staff saying that the mess we are in is 'everyone's problem' - I don't think so.

"The only people responsible are this Labour-run council and senior officers - what he really means is that everyone else will have to pay the price. 

"How distressing for staff whose lives will now be put on hold with the threat of redundancy hanging over them, again, not knowing whether they will have a job or not this time next year."

Tony Caffery, regional organiser for Unison, which represents more than 2,500 council workers, told the Globe the union will work with the council to minimise the negative impact of the cuts on service users.

He said: "This is a bitter blow for council staff and for the public on the Wirral. Central Government funding cuts are having a devastating impact on jobs and services. 

"We are seeing a sustained attack by the current Government on local councils that jeopardises the cohesion of our communities.  Cuts of this scale will inevitably impact on front-line services. 

“Unison will work to support our members through this difficult time.  We will be pressing the council to consider all available options in order to avoid compulsory redundancies, for example, through reducing spending on consultancy fees."

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12:30pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Cheesy Peas says...

Days after signing the cheque for the most expensive toilet block in Wirral, and just months after doing the same for Wirral's most expensive town hall stair cases, Burgess slides down the bannister to tell the poor staff it's squeaky bottom time once again.

Chief exec? Of what exactly?
Days after signing the cheque for the most expensive toilet block in Wirral, and just months after doing the same for Wirral's most expensive town hall stair cases, Burgess slides down the bannister to tell the poor staff it's squeaky bottom time once again. Chief exec? Of what exactly? Cheesy Peas
  • Score: 32

12:45pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Growl Tiger says...

I wonder if he will “sacrifice” himself in this reshuffle and take EVR along with all the gravy train trimmings that come with a PERMANENT CEO’s post. I did smell a rodent when his 2 year post was made permanent long before there had been time to judge his efficiency. If he applied for a 2 year post then it is likely he only wanted a 2 year post and he has been with us ...........let me think........ approximately 2 years.
I wonder if he will “sacrifice” himself in this reshuffle and take EVR along with all the gravy train trimmings that come with a PERMANENT CEO’s post. I did smell a rodent when his 2 year post was made permanent long before there had been time to judge his efficiency. If he applied for a 2 year post then it is likely he only wanted a 2 year post and he has been with us ...........let me think........ approximately 2 years. Growl Tiger
  • Score: 29

12:52pm Thu 12 Jun 14

PaulCa says...

Hey Gang...

Here's some thanks for placing your trust and loyalty into the person who many moons ago made a seamless transition from senior UNISON to senior management and never looked back.

We all have to tighten our belts during these austere times,

love

GB

*speeds off in new BMW*
Hey Gang... Here's some thanks for placing your trust and loyalty into the person who many moons ago made a seamless transition from senior UNISON to senior management and never looked back. We all have to tighten our belts during these austere times, love GB *speeds off in new BMW* PaulCa
  • Score: 27

1:04pm Thu 12 Jun 14

PaulCa says...

And will it be 500 more compromise agreements with bizarre gags for all those staff who might just talk to the press and expose crooked senior managers?

Last time, when 800 jobs went, protecting the abusers' reputation cost the public £62,500.

And despite "freedom of information" we will not get to discover which of the council's legal firm of leeches will be coining it in, photocopying the "full and final settlement" 499 times, then charging £75 a pop.

This making people redundant and plunging theirs and their families' futures into uncertainty is big business.

You never know, if it's all done 'cheaply' and efficiently, Mr Burgess could be in line for more awards from the great and the good down in that London, with movers and shakers like @AFNeil in attendance. Is this what is at the forefront of his thinking?
And will it be 500 more compromise agreements with bizarre gags for all those staff who might just talk to the press and expose crooked senior managers? Last time, when 800 jobs went, protecting the abusers' reputation cost the public £62,500. And despite "freedom of information" we will not get to discover which of the council's legal firm of leeches will be coining it in, photocopying the "full and final settlement" 499 times, then charging £75 a pop. This making people redundant and plunging theirs and their families' futures into uncertainty is big business. You never know, if it's all done 'cheaply' and efficiently, Mr Burgess could be in line for more awards from the great and the good down in that London, with movers and shakers like @AFNeil in attendance. Is this what is at the forefront of his thinking? PaulCa
  • Score: 20

1:50pm Thu 12 Jun 14

rover600 says...

Here we go again,, if we knew about the need to make these cuts why were they not announced earlier and pre the local elections?

It really is impossible for our council to be honest truthful and forthright with us! Truly is like someone has 'put the lunatics in charge of the asylum'
Here we go again,, if we knew about the need to make these cuts why were they not announced earlier and pre the local elections? It really is impossible for our council to be honest truthful and forthright with us! Truly is like someone has 'put the lunatics in charge of the asylum' rover600
  • Score: 15

2:25pm Thu 12 Jun 14

ballacrain says...

The best place to start is with councillors. We do not need 66 or 3 per ward. It use to be one per ward and it should be again.
Talking with staff I have the impression that they all want away from council employment. They are fed up being lied to. The day may soon come when there will be no one left to run the services.
I found it strange that it only seems to be this council that is making a noise about cutbacks. Every household in the country has had to do the same and still pay increases in council tax for a worse service.
Reduce the number of councillors and use council buildings for office space instead of renting and see how much might be saved.
The best place to start is with councillors. We do not need 66 or 3 per ward. It use to be one per ward and it should be again. Talking with staff I have the impression that they all want away from council employment. They are fed up being lied to. The day may soon come when there will be no one left to run the services. I found it strange that it only seems to be this council that is making a noise about cutbacks. Every household in the country has had to do the same and still pay increases in council tax for a worse service. Reduce the number of councillors and use council buildings for office space instead of renting and see how much might be saved. ballacrain
  • Score: 22

2:35pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Cleomenes says...

A new spiral staircase for GB to slide down on
from his penthouse suite.
A nice new carpet for GB to lay on
and rest his feet.
and a new toilet for GB to **** on
with it`s brand new seat.
.....Total cost 500 jobs...
A new spiral staircase for GB to slide down on from his penthouse suite. A nice new carpet for GB to lay on and rest his feet. and a new toilet for GB to **** on with it`s brand new seat. .....Total cost 500 jobs... Cleomenes
  • Score: 26

3:04pm Thu 12 Jun 14

WirralAl says...

The best way to save money at the council would be to get rid of the councillors and get rid of the position of Mayor instead of rewarding the plonker that wasted many of those millions.

I still cannot believe that this council spends over the top on lavishing the town hall with grandeur whilst pushing ordinary staff who probably do actually work out the door.

Shambolic and no nothing has changed with Who Bloody Cares!
The best way to save money at the council would be to get rid of the councillors and get rid of the position of Mayor instead of rewarding the plonker that wasted many of those millions. I still cannot believe that this council spends over the top on lavishing the town hall with grandeur whilst pushing ordinary staff who probably do actually work out the door. Shambolic and no nothing has changed with Who Bloody Cares! WirralAl
  • Score: 22

3:29pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Cleomenes says...

I agree with WirralAl. The position of Mayor is an expensive ornament that should be disposed of for the sake of working people.
I agree with WirralAl. The position of Mayor is an expensive ornament that should be disposed of for the sake of working people. Cleomenes
  • Score: 22

6:02pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Joeblogg85 says...

The Council hierarchy have known this for some time. After consultants were brought in to look at "Future Council" this was inevitable. Il give you an example of bad management. The Council employs a Super Director of Social Services Ms Fish at considerable cost yet still continues to employs a plain old boring Director Mr Hodkinson at further considerable cost! Why? The Chief Exec and the Senior Management Team at Wirral are part of the problem. When is The Leader going to have the conkers do take them on and bring fresh blood in? Don't worry about upsetting them. Get rid while you can. Example number two. Why does the Council have to pay £90k+ for someone to look after it's Press and PR? It's a blooming Council for heavens sake. Grow a pair Cllr Davies before it's too late and there is no Council left to save. Finally, I wonder what the Improvement Team think of this situation? Improvement, what improvement!
The Council hierarchy have known this for some time. After consultants were brought in to look at "Future Council" this was inevitable. Il give you an example of bad management. The Council employs a Super Director of Social Services Ms Fish at considerable cost yet still continues to employs a plain old boring Director Mr Hodkinson at further considerable cost! Why? The Chief Exec and the Senior Management Team at Wirral are part of the problem. When is The Leader going to have the conkers do take them on and bring fresh blood in? Don't worry about upsetting them. Get rid while you can. Example number two. Why does the Council have to pay £90k+ for someone to look after it's Press and PR? It's a blooming Council for heavens sake. Grow a pair Cllr Davies before it's too late and there is no Council left to save. Finally, I wonder what the Improvement Team think of this situation? Improvement, what improvement! Joeblogg85
  • Score: 19

6:27pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Growl Tiger says...

How did the last reshuffle benefit Wirral residents – the suspect characters all left with no case to answer and a huge expendiiture from our council tax.

How did the trip to China benefit Wirral residents – no sign of that yet?

How has refurbishment of the staircase to heaven, carpets and members toilets helped Wirral residents?

How has the provision of a new BMW for the CEO made life better for Wirral residents?

The new Mayor admits on his Wirral News Column that he will be supporting with enthusiasm his week at the Open Golf in Hoylake. Well of course he will – what better a year to become Mayor – all those freebies. And, no doubt he will attract some hangers on, who may not like him, but with the waft under their noses of free tickets and cheesy nibbles they will feel drawn to support him.

Meantime, Lyndale School and Fernbank await their destiny.
How did the last reshuffle benefit Wirral residents – the suspect characters all left with no case to answer and a huge expendiiture from our council tax. How did the trip to China benefit Wirral residents – no sign of that yet? How has refurbishment of the staircase to heaven, carpets and members toilets helped Wirral residents? How has the provision of a new BMW for the CEO made life better for Wirral residents? The new Mayor admits on his Wirral News Column that he will be supporting with enthusiasm his week at the Open Golf in Hoylake. Well of course he will – what better a year to become Mayor – all those freebies. And, no doubt he will attract some hangers on, who may not like him, but with the waft under their noses of free tickets and cheesy nibbles they will feel drawn to support him. Meantime, Lyndale School and Fernbank await their destiny. Growl Tiger
  • Score: 19

7:11pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Thepleb says...

Another What Really Matters whitewash on the way Wirral residents should abstain as the 66 elected don't listen the 6,000+ signatures for Lyndale proved that, they have spent millions on outside agencies too tell them how too save millions?
They should sell their assets Birkenhead town hall,Acre Lane,Manor Road old courts and invest back into services and stop paying to lease buildings Cheshire lines when they have their own - Westminister house now occupied by Magenta Housing probably for a pittance.
It's also nice too see the mighty Unison reps speak out not too have no cuts but to help the council minimise the cuts, how the fees are well spent see they saved their own funding last time out well done them while 400 went out he door.
Another What Really Matters whitewash on the way Wirral residents should abstain as the 66 elected don't listen the 6,000+ signatures for Lyndale proved that, they have spent millions on outside agencies too tell them how too save millions? They should sell their assets Birkenhead town hall,Acre Lane,Manor Road old courts and invest back into services and stop paying to lease buildings Cheshire lines when they have their own - Westminister house now occupied by Magenta Housing probably for a pittance. It's also nice too see the mighty Unison reps speak out not too have no cuts but to help the council minimise the cuts, how the fees are well spent see they saved their own funding last time out well done them while 400 went out he door. Thepleb
  • Score: 13

8:13pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Joeblogg85 says...

Thepleb wrote:
Another What Really Matters whitewash on the way Wirral residents should abstain as the 66 elected don't listen the 6,000+ signatures for Lyndale proved that, they have spent millions on outside agencies too tell them how too save millions?
They should sell their assets Birkenhead town hall,Acre Lane,Manor Road old courts and invest back into services and stop paying to lease buildings Cheshire lines when they have their own - Westminister house now occupied by Magenta Housing probably for a pittance.
It's also nice too see the mighty Unison reps speak out not too have no cuts but to help the council minimise the cuts, how the fees are well spent see they saved their own funding last time out well done them while 400 went out he door.
Good point about the use of buildings Pleb. The track record of Asset Management record at Wirral Council is abysmal. My understanding is that Westminster House was given away whilst the Council pays rent at nearby Old Market House! Furthermore, the debacle that is Cheshire Lines is another monumental **** up from days gone by that senior officers were responsible for and got away scot free.
[quote][p][bold]Thepleb[/bold] wrote: Another What Really Matters whitewash on the way Wirral residents should abstain as the 66 elected don't listen the 6,000+ signatures for Lyndale proved that, they have spent millions on outside agencies too tell them how too save millions? They should sell their assets Birkenhead town hall,Acre Lane,Manor Road old courts and invest back into services and stop paying to lease buildings Cheshire lines when they have their own - Westminister house now occupied by Magenta Housing probably for a pittance. It's also nice too see the mighty Unison reps speak out not too have no cuts but to help the council minimise the cuts, how the fees are well spent see they saved their own funding last time out well done them while 400 went out he door.[/p][/quote]Good point about the use of buildings Pleb. The track record of Asset Management record at Wirral Council is abysmal. My understanding is that Westminster House was given away whilst the Council pays rent at nearby Old Market House! Furthermore, the debacle that is Cheshire Lines is another monumental **** up from days gone by that senior officers were responsible for and got away scot free. Joeblogg85
  • Score: 10

9:37pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Cloud 23 says...

Joeblogg85 wrote:
Thepleb wrote:
Another What Really Matters whitewash on the way Wirral residents should abstain as the 66 elected don't listen the 6,000+ signatures for Lyndale proved that, they have spent millions on outside agencies too tell them how too save millions?
They should sell their assets Birkenhead town hall,Acre Lane,Manor Road old courts and invest back into services and stop paying to lease buildings Cheshire lines when they have their own - Westminister house now occupied by Magenta Housing probably for a pittance.
It's also nice too see the mighty Unison reps speak out not too have no cuts but to help the council minimise the cuts, how the fees are well spent see they saved their own funding last time out well done them while 400 went out he door.
Good point about the use of buildings Pleb. The track record of Asset Management record at Wirral Council is abysmal. My understanding is that Westminster House was given away whilst the Council pays rent at nearby Old Market House! Furthermore, the debacle that is Cheshire Lines is another monumental **** up from days gone by that senior officers were responsible for and got away scot free.
Yeah good point Pleb except it is wrong. The Council is not legally permitted to sell land or buildings (raise capital) and use that to fund services (revenue).
[quote][p][bold]Joeblogg85[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thepleb[/bold] wrote: Another What Really Matters whitewash on the way Wirral residents should abstain as the 66 elected don't listen the 6,000+ signatures for Lyndale proved that, they have spent millions on outside agencies too tell them how too save millions? They should sell their assets Birkenhead town hall,Acre Lane,Manor Road old courts and invest back into services and stop paying to lease buildings Cheshire lines when they have their own - Westminister house now occupied by Magenta Housing probably for a pittance. It's also nice too see the mighty Unison reps speak out not too have no cuts but to help the council minimise the cuts, how the fees are well spent see they saved their own funding last time out well done them while 400 went out he door.[/p][/quote]Good point about the use of buildings Pleb. The track record of Asset Management record at Wirral Council is abysmal. My understanding is that Westminster House was given away whilst the Council pays rent at nearby Old Market House! Furthermore, the debacle that is Cheshire Lines is another monumental **** up from days gone by that senior officers were responsible for and got away scot free.[/p][/quote]Yeah good point Pleb except it is wrong. The Council is not legally permitted to sell land or buildings (raise capital) and use that to fund services (revenue). Cloud 23
  • Score: 3

10:01pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Thepleb says...

Cloud 23 wrote:
Joeblogg85 wrote:
Thepleb wrote:
Another What Really Matters whitewash on the way Wirral residents should abstain as the 66 elected don't listen the 6,000+ signatures for Lyndale proved that, they have spent millions on outside agencies too tell them how too save millions?
They should sell their assets Birkenhead town hall,Acre Lane,Manor Road old courts and invest back into services and stop paying to lease buildings Cheshire lines when they have their own - Westminister house now occupied by Magenta Housing probably for a pittance.
It's also nice too see the mighty Unison reps speak out not too have no cuts but to help the council minimise the cuts, how the fees are well spent see they saved their own funding last time out well done them while 400 went out he door.
Good point about the use of buildings Pleb. The track record of Asset Management record at Wirral Council is abysmal. My understanding is that Westminster House was given away whilst the Council pays rent at nearby Old Market House! Furthermore, the debacle that is Cheshire Lines is another monumental **** up from days gone by that senior officers were responsible for and got away scot free.
Yeah good point Pleb except it is wrong. The Council is not legally permitted to sell land or buildings (raise capital) and use that to fund services (revenue).
Never said it was right just a suggestion why have empty buildings worth millions when you are laying off staff and essential front line services are being affected.
[quote][p][bold]Cloud 23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joeblogg85[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thepleb[/bold] wrote: Another What Really Matters whitewash on the way Wirral residents should abstain as the 66 elected don't listen the 6,000+ signatures for Lyndale proved that, they have spent millions on outside agencies too tell them how too save millions? They should sell their assets Birkenhead town hall,Acre Lane,Manor Road old courts and invest back into services and stop paying to lease buildings Cheshire lines when they have their own - Westminister house now occupied by Magenta Housing probably for a pittance. It's also nice too see the mighty Unison reps speak out not too have no cuts but to help the council minimise the cuts, how the fees are well spent see they saved their own funding last time out well done them while 400 went out he door.[/p][/quote]Good point about the use of buildings Pleb. The track record of Asset Management record at Wirral Council is abysmal. My understanding is that Westminster House was given away whilst the Council pays rent at nearby Old Market House! Furthermore, the debacle that is Cheshire Lines is another monumental **** up from days gone by that senior officers were responsible for and got away scot free.[/p][/quote]Yeah good point Pleb except it is wrong. The Council is not legally permitted to sell land or buildings (raise capital) and use that to fund services (revenue).[/p][/quote]Never said it was right just a suggestion why have empty buildings worth millions when you are laying off staff and essential front line services are being affected. Thepleb
  • Score: 2

10:18pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Joeblogg85 says...

Thepleb wrote:
Cloud 23 wrote:
Joeblogg85 wrote:
Thepleb wrote:
Another What Really Matters whitewash on the way Wirral residents should abstain as the 66 elected don't listen the 6,000+ signatures for Lyndale proved that, they have spent millions on outside agencies too tell them how too save millions?
They should sell their assets Birkenhead town hall,Acre Lane,Manor Road old courts and invest back into services and stop paying to lease buildings Cheshire lines when they have their own - Westminister house now occupied by Magenta Housing probably for a pittance.
It's also nice too see the mighty Unison reps speak out not too have no cuts but to help the council minimise the cuts, how the fees are well spent see they saved their own funding last time out well done them while 400 went out he door.
Good point about the use of buildings Pleb. The track record of Asset Management record at Wirral Council is abysmal. My understanding is that Westminster House was given away whilst the Council pays rent at nearby Old Market House! Furthermore, the debacle that is Cheshire Lines is another monumental **** up from days gone by that senior officers were responsible for and got away scot free.
Yeah good point Pleb except it is wrong. The Council is not legally permitted to sell land or buildings (raise capital) and use that to fund services (revenue).
Never said it was right just a suggestion why have empty buildings worth millions when you are laying off staff and essential front line services are being affected.
Interesting point. So when Councils sell buildings and land at auctions etc where does this money go? If it is not to raise revenue, what is it for?
[quote][p][bold]Thepleb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cloud 23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joeblogg85[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thepleb[/bold] wrote: Another What Really Matters whitewash on the way Wirral residents should abstain as the 66 elected don't listen the 6,000+ signatures for Lyndale proved that, they have spent millions on outside agencies too tell them how too save millions? They should sell their assets Birkenhead town hall,Acre Lane,Manor Road old courts and invest back into services and stop paying to lease buildings Cheshire lines when they have their own - Westminister house now occupied by Magenta Housing probably for a pittance. It's also nice too see the mighty Unison reps speak out not too have no cuts but to help the council minimise the cuts, how the fees are well spent see they saved their own funding last time out well done them while 400 went out he door.[/p][/quote]Good point about the use of buildings Pleb. The track record of Asset Management record at Wirral Council is abysmal. My understanding is that Westminster House was given away whilst the Council pays rent at nearby Old Market House! Furthermore, the debacle that is Cheshire Lines is another monumental **** up from days gone by that senior officers were responsible for and got away scot free.[/p][/quote]Yeah good point Pleb except it is wrong. The Council is not legally permitted to sell land or buildings (raise capital) and use that to fund services (revenue).[/p][/quote]Never said it was right just a suggestion why have empty buildings worth millions when you are laying off staff and essential front line services are being affected.[/p][/quote]Interesting point. So when Councils sell buildings and land at auctions etc where does this money go? If it is not to raise revenue, what is it for? Joeblogg85
  • Score: 6

10:24pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Beanie1966 says...

When the council sells assets the accountants ensure that the money goes back into the capital budget and not the staffing budget......this means it can only be spent on the capital programme of works and not people unfortunately
When the council sells assets the accountants ensure that the money goes back into the capital budget and not the staffing budget......this means it can only be spent on the capital programme of works and not people unfortunately Beanie1966
  • Score: 3

10:46pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Joeblogg85 says...

Beanie1966 wrote:
When the council sells assets the accountants ensure that the money goes back into the capital budget and not the staffing budget......this means it can only be spent on the capital programme of works and not people unfortunately
Thanks Beanie,

That's ok, so they could then use the money they were going to spend on capital on revenue and replace it with the monies raised. Job done.
[quote][p][bold]Beanie1966[/bold] wrote: When the council sells assets the accountants ensure that the money goes back into the capital budget and not the staffing budget......this means it can only be spent on the capital programme of works and not people unfortunately[/p][/quote]Thanks Beanie, That's ok, so they could then use the money they were going to spend on capital on revenue and replace it with the monies raised. Job done. Joeblogg85
  • Score: 6

11:11pm Thu 12 Jun 14

hobroW says...

This definitely should have been released BEFORE the election.

Burgess is Labour's man but what skill is there in shedding workers to make the budget. Anybody can do that!!

The electorate should be fuming!
This definitely should have been released BEFORE the election. Burgess is Labour's man but what skill is there in shedding workers to make the budget. Anybody can do that!! The electorate should be fuming! hobroW
  • Score: 12

12:17am Fri 13 Jun 14

Joeblogg85 says...

hobroW wrote:
This definitely should have been released BEFORE the election.

Burgess is Labour's man but what skill is there in shedding workers to make the budget. Anybody can do that!!

The electorate should be fuming!
Dear Hobrow,

This is the point I am making about the senior management team. What the hell are these super dooper directors getting paid for? Also, after bringing in all these highly paid consultants is this the best they can come up with?

Disappointed for lots of decent people in a Wirral Council, but not surprised!

Start at the top and work down.
[quote][p][bold]hobroW[/bold] wrote: This definitely should have been released BEFORE the election. Burgess is Labour's man but what skill is there in shedding workers to make the budget. Anybody can do that!! The electorate should be fuming![/p][/quote]Dear Hobrow, This is the point I am making about the senior management team. What the hell are these super dooper directors getting paid for? Also, after bringing in all these highly paid consultants is this the best they can come up with? Disappointed for lots of decent people in a Wirral Council, but not surprised! Start at the top and work down. Joeblogg85
  • Score: 13

1:02am Fri 13 Jun 14

polo_rob says...

Boo hoo, after years and years of the council creating jobs for the sake of it, the fact that the economy and government are forcing EVERYONE to tighten their belts and reality is taking hold why is this news? Are council employees some kind of super breed of worker that should be immune from the economy? If a job can be 'deleted' it begs the question was it really worthwhile in the first place? Or if the workload is able to be taken on by another worker why was that worker not being utilised to their full potential in the first place! The council are crooked no matter who's in power, and money will be spent on extravagances no matter what, but EVERYONE is suffering why should only council workers make the news over anyone who works in the private sector who are predominantly overworked and underpaid anyway.
Boo hoo, after years and years of the council creating jobs for the sake of it, the fact that the economy and government are forcing EVERYONE to tighten their belts and reality is taking hold why is this news? Are council employees some kind of super breed of worker that should be immune from the economy? If a job can be 'deleted' it begs the question was it really worthwhile in the first place? Or if the workload is able to be taken on by another worker why was that worker not being utilised to their full potential in the first place! The council are crooked no matter who's in power, and money will be spent on extravagances no matter what, but EVERYONE is suffering why should only council workers make the news over anyone who works in the private sector who are predominantly overworked and underpaid anyway. polo_rob
  • Score: -19

9:39am Fri 13 Jun 14

hobroW says...

polo-rob is correct but an additional point is the nefarious spin and obfuscation practised by the Executive alongsides the Cabinet to choose "a good day to release bad news"

It is the over-payment of top managers that is in stark contrast to the fate of the employees who are losing basic wages for the mismanagement of the Managers in the past. No sanction has ever been applied to top management. If the situation is too hot they are given a golden good-bye.In the private sector directoirs who mismanage lose their companies- period!
polo-rob is correct but an additional point is the nefarious spin and obfuscation practised by the Executive alongsides the Cabinet to choose "a good day to release bad news" It is the over-payment of top managers that is in stark contrast to the fate of the employees who are losing basic wages for the mismanagement of the Managers in the past. No sanction has ever been applied to top management. If the situation is too hot they are given a golden good-bye.In the private sector directoirs who mismanage lose their companies- period! hobroW
  • Score: 7

10:37am Fri 13 Jun 14

Joeblogg85 says...

I think Polo Rob and Hobrow makes some good points. However, losing 500 local jobs wherever they are from is definitely newsworthy. This means that 500 local families are going to be affected. The affect for some will be devastating. I for one feel for anyone who will lose their job and the security it brings.
I think Polo Rob and Hobrow makes some good points. However, losing 500 local jobs wherever they are from is definitely newsworthy. This means that 500 local families are going to be affected. The affect for some will be devastating. I for one feel for anyone who will lose their job and the security it brings. Joeblogg85
  • Score: 10

11:04am Fri 13 Jun 14

pooboy says...

GREAT NEWS!

everyone knows those people who work in the council could do more work and cover more sections...

ABOUT TIME

Not a single who last a minute in the retail sector...FACT!
GREAT NEWS! everyone knows those people who work in the council could do more work and cover more sections... ABOUT TIME Not a single who last a minute in the retail sector...FACT! pooboy
  • Score: -25

11:37am Fri 13 Jun 14

PaulCa says...

hobroW wrote:
This definitely should have been released BEFORE the election.

Burgess is Labour's man but what skill is there in shedding workers to make the budget. Anybody can do that!!

The electorate should be fuming!
Is Burgess thinking, wow, Davies has managed to steamroller through the new open, transparent failure to scrutinise; I've done a review and outsourced the whole kit and caboodle... but as a reward, I've got 500 workers sat here twiddling their thumbs?

To fob the public off, he's packaging the whole thing as a phantom "response to ideological central government cuts", and cleverly hiding his own Torylite ideological requirement to parcel everything up, and pack it off beyond the reach of the public, FoI, etc.

If he gets the offload right, and throws 500 people's lives into turmoil cheaply and efficiently, whilst pretending that there'll be an ongoing requirement to keep 66 members in a feeding frenzy at the trough...

...there's an LGA award ceremony beckoning him, replete with the finest wines / prawn sandwiches an ex-UNISON full timer ever did see.
[quote][p][bold]hobroW[/bold] wrote: This definitely should have been released BEFORE the election. Burgess is Labour's man but what skill is there in shedding workers to make the budget. Anybody can do that!! The electorate should be fuming![/p][/quote]Is Burgess thinking, wow, Davies has managed to steamroller through the new open, transparent failure to scrutinise; I've done a review and outsourced the whole kit and caboodle... but as a reward, I've got 500 workers sat here twiddling their thumbs? To fob the public off, he's packaging the whole thing as a phantom "response to ideological central government cuts", and cleverly hiding his own Torylite ideological requirement to parcel everything up, and pack it off beyond the reach of the public, FoI, etc. If he gets the offload right, and throws 500 people's lives into turmoil cheaply and efficiently, whilst pretending that there'll be an ongoing requirement to keep 66 members in a feeding frenzy at the trough... ...there's an LGA award ceremony beckoning him, replete with the finest wines / prawn sandwiches an ex-UNISON full timer ever did see. PaulCa
  • Score: 10

12:00pm Fri 13 Jun 14

bloodtub says...

you get what you vote for
you get what you vote for bloodtub
  • Score: 6

12:04pm Fri 13 Jun 14

warescouse says...

How much did it cost in expenses and hire of the Floral Pavilion to 'install' the Mayor?

Another kick in the teeth wor council workers and the Wirral electorate.

This could have easily been done at minimum cost and fuss at Wallasey Town Hall. This Labour administration is bonkers!
How much did it cost in expenses and hire of the Floral Pavilion to 'install' the Mayor? Another kick in the teeth wor council workers and the Wirral electorate. This could have easily been done at minimum cost and fuss at Wallasey Town Hall. This Labour administration is bonkers! warescouse
  • Score: 7

12:31pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Cheesy Peas says...

One more thing, Cllr Phil Davies.

Where's Stella Shui?

Come on:Tell the people who pay your wages and tell them RIGHT NOW.

WHERE is Stella Shui?
One more thing, Cllr Phil Davies. Where's Stella Shui? Come on:Tell the people who pay your wages and tell them RIGHT NOW. WHERE is Stella Shui? Cheesy Peas
  • Score: 8

12:38pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Cheesy Peas says...

And while we're at it, the council still hasn't told us which senior officer was given a cheque for £48,000 for "hurt feelings" - and why.
And while we're at it, the council still hasn't told us which senior officer was given a cheque for £48,000 for "hurt feelings" - and why. Cheesy Peas
  • Score: 12

4:21pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Joeblogg85 says...

Cheesy Peas wrote:
And while we're at it, the council still hasn't told us which senior officer was given a cheque for £48,000 for "hurt feelings" - and why.
Most probably off spending it on some new footwear ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Cheesy Peas[/bold] wrote: And while we're at it, the council still hasn't told us which senior officer was given a cheque for £48,000 for "hurt feelings" - and why.[/p][/quote]Most probably off spending it on some new footwear ;-) Joeblogg85
  • Score: 10

5:37pm Sat 14 Jun 14

spamfiend says...

Cheesy Peas wrote:
One more thing, Cllr Phil Davies.

Where's Stella Shui?

Come on:Tell the people who pay your wages and tell them RIGHT NOW.

WHERE is Stella Shui?
From 2013 but a few good article links in there as well

http://liverpoolpres
ervationtrust.blogsp
ot.co.uk/2013/05/ste
lla-shiu-exposed-in-
private-eye.html
[quote][p][bold]Cheesy Peas[/bold] wrote: One more thing, Cllr Phil Davies. Where's Stella Shui? Come on:Tell the people who pay your wages and tell them RIGHT NOW. WHERE is Stella Shui?[/p][/quote]From 2013 but a few good article links in there as well http://liverpoolpres ervationtrust.blogsp ot.co.uk/2013/05/ste lla-shiu-exposed-in- private-eye.html spamfiend
  • Score: 3

10:10pm Sat 14 Jun 14

Thepleb says...

pooboy wrote:
GREAT NEWS!

everyone knows those people who work in the council could do more work and cover more sections...

ABOUT TIME

Not a single who last a minute in the retail sector...FACT!
What a load of crap pooboy, as someone who was made redundant by wbc in the last cull I have retrained and now work in the conservatives paradise of privatisation, the main problem is a lot of council jobs are specialised in certain areas and cannot always be transferred into the private sector likewise private too council, as previously stated losing your job is a life changing event, mortgage,bills,famil
y commitments.
The workers affected won't be on megabucks and as stated will only be given up to 4 weeks notice their positions will be no longer available, I know from experience my position was made redundant but is now being carried out by untrained, inexperienced agency staff and at no point do I blame these people as they are just carrying out the role required but the senior officers who make these life changing decisions never lose a penny in wages or a moment's sleep, unlike the council staff who are culled, my position was in the Councils cctv emergency control room and but for unscrupulous dealings by former management and current management I would still be in there now.
No matter losing your job private or council it can have a disastrous affect on people's lives and family's and if the council weren't squandering millions all over the place positions wouldn't be at risk, it hurts to say but when the conservatives were in charge they actually invested in services and jobs.
[quote][p][bold]pooboy[/bold] wrote: GREAT NEWS! everyone knows those people who work in the council could do more work and cover more sections... ABOUT TIME Not a single who last a minute in the retail sector...FACT![/p][/quote]What a load of crap pooboy, as someone who was made redundant by wbc in the last cull I have retrained and now work in the conservatives paradise of privatisation, the main problem is a lot of council jobs are specialised in certain areas and cannot always be transferred into the private sector likewise private too council, as previously stated losing your job is a life changing event, mortgage,bills,famil y commitments. The workers affected won't be on megabucks and as stated will only be given up to 4 weeks notice their positions will be no longer available, I know from experience my position was made redundant but is now being carried out by untrained, inexperienced agency staff and at no point do I blame these people as they are just carrying out the role required but the senior officers who make these life changing decisions never lose a penny in wages or a moment's sleep, unlike the council staff who are culled, my position was in the Councils cctv emergency control room and but for unscrupulous dealings by former management and current management I would still be in there now. No matter losing your job private or council it can have a disastrous affect on people's lives and family's and if the council weren't squandering millions all over the place positions wouldn't be at risk, it hurts to say but when the conservatives were in charge they actually invested in services and jobs. Thepleb
  • Score: 8

1:17pm Sun 15 Jun 14

hobroW says...

The conservative group most likely is not hampered by ideology, a chip on the shoulder and , I imagine, resemble Lord Palmerston, a favourite of the British working class in the 19th century.

Palmerston liked the fillies, horses and women, a drink at the club and "gunboat diplomacy" which resonated with the voters. The paucity of voters in Labour seats demonstrates the gulf between Wirral Labour and its electorate.

Conservatives are less likely to work in public services, often are businessmen and where does anyone get the idea that they are not interested in employment and good management? They are better equipped to obtain value for money, I suggest ,than many Labour councillors.

Tory has ever been squirearchy v Whigs, aristocrats and now Small is better v Labour quangocracy.
The conservative group most likely is not hampered by ideology, a chip on the shoulder and , I imagine, resemble Lord Palmerston, a favourite of the British working class in the 19th century. Palmerston liked the fillies, horses and women, a drink at the club and "gunboat diplomacy" which resonated with the voters. The paucity of voters in Labour seats demonstrates the gulf between Wirral Labour and its electorate. Conservatives are less likely to work in public services, often are businessmen and where does anyone get the idea that they are not interested in employment and good management? They are better equipped to obtain value for money, I suggest ,than many Labour councillors. Tory has ever been squirearchy v Whigs, aristocrats and now Small is better v Labour quangocracy. hobroW
  • Score: 7

8:50pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Hugo1008 says...

Well Well Well, I wonder why has this decision only just been announced, do you think it might have had some effect on the recent elections.

The only positive thing to emerge from the elections was the removal of the King of Brown Bins replaced by a New Face, oh how I hope this will be repeated next time we have local elections, quite soon really.

"Pick a New Face" its the only policy that makes the present bunch of deadbeats actually sit up and take notice. It is worth noting huge numbers of Council Staff either redundant or pushed into the private sector, and by a Labour Administration. Yet not one iota of a reduction in elected Councillor or the excessive cost of these parasites who feed in the trough of plenty.
Come on folks wise up and use your power of the vote.
Well Well Well, I wonder why has this decision only just been announced, do you think it might have had some effect on the recent elections. The only positive thing to emerge from the elections was the removal of the King of Brown Bins replaced by a New Face, oh how I hope this will be repeated next time we have local elections, quite soon really. "Pick a New Face" its the only policy that makes the present bunch of deadbeats actually sit up and take notice. It is worth noting huge numbers of Council Staff either redundant or pushed into the private sector, and by a Labour Administration. Yet not one iota of a reduction in elected Councillor or the excessive cost of these parasites who feed in the trough of plenty. Come on folks wise up and use your power of the vote. Hugo1008
  • Score: 4

9:13pm Mon 16 Jun 14

hobroW says...

At this stage I agree with the extreme left wing of the Labour party, that Labour ought to refuse to implement these cuts. Where are they protecting the weak and the poor? should it not be left to the coalition partners's parties to execute such radical cuts and answer to them as to their justification.

The Labour group is sacrificing principle for perquisites of office.

The cuts are necessary but it is not Labour's duty to execute them unless of course publicly they acknowlkedge their necessity rather than pretending they object. Their position is very much that of Quisling!

In practice either resign en masse or abstain from calling in the decisions of a Liberal Democrat/Conservativ
e coalition. Once the deeds are done let us see what the electorate makes of the arguments for and against in a General Election.

J;accuse the Labour Group of putting preferment and salary above principle.
At this stage I agree with the extreme left wing of the Labour party, that Labour ought to refuse to implement these cuts. Where are they protecting the weak and the poor? should it not be left to the coalition partners's parties to execute such radical cuts and answer to them as to their justification. The Labour group is sacrificing principle for perquisites of office. The cuts are necessary but it is not Labour's duty to execute them unless of course publicly they acknowlkedge their necessity rather than pretending they object. Their position is very much that of Quisling! In practice either resign en masse or abstain from calling in the decisions of a Liberal Democrat/Conservativ e coalition. Once the deeds are done let us see what the electorate makes of the arguments for and against in a General Election. J;accuse the Labour Group of putting preferment and salary above principle. hobroW
  • Score: 5

10:16pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Thepleb says...

All this saving money baloney, cctv control room voted to be closed at a saving of £420,000, staff warned senior officers that work carried out in there especially out of hours emergencies and communications for community patrol,alarm monitoring and key holding could not just be scrapped did they listen no and eleven staff were made redundant.
The control room is still open at a budgeted cost of £210,000 with inexperienced,unqual
ified agency staff with the agency charging WBC twice what they were already paying the former fully experienced and qualified staff this is the kind of mess wirral council is in as previously stated I was one of the eleven and not one of our elected 66 councillors has had the balls to look into this farce and ask the question why was this allowed to happen maybe the corruption and lies by former and current management now being investigated by town hall officials would bring more shame on these scheisters.
All this saving money baloney, cctv control room voted to be closed at a saving of £420,000, staff warned senior officers that work carried out in there especially out of hours emergencies and communications for community patrol,alarm monitoring and key holding could not just be scrapped did they listen no and eleven staff were made redundant. The control room is still open at a budgeted cost of £210,000 with inexperienced,unqual ified agency staff with the agency charging WBC twice what they were already paying the former fully experienced and qualified staff this is the kind of mess wirral council is in as previously stated I was one of the eleven and not one of our elected 66 councillors has had the balls to look into this farce and ask the question why was this allowed to happen maybe the corruption and lies by former and current management now being investigated by town hall officials would bring more shame on these scheisters. Thepleb
  • Score: 0

3:00am Tue 17 Jun 14

Joeblogg85 says...

Thepleb wrote:
All this saving money baloney, cctv control room voted to be closed at a saving of £420,000, staff warned senior officers that work carried out in there especially out of hours emergencies and communications for community patrol,alarm monitoring and key holding could not just be scrapped did they listen no and eleven staff were made redundant.
The control room is still open at a budgeted cost of £210,000 with inexperienced,unqual

ified agency staff with the agency charging WBC twice what they were already paying the former fully experienced and qualified staff this is the kind of mess wirral council is in as previously stated I was one of the eleven and not one of our elected 66 councillors has had the balls to look into this farce and ask the question why was this allowed to happen maybe the corruption and lies by former and current management now being investigated by town hall officials would bring more shame on these scheisters.
Hey Pleb,

I fully support you but could you pls explain those numbers again. The cost was originally £420k and it is now £210k. So the Council are saving 50% is that correct? So how is this twice the cost? Sorry, I'm a little confused.

Joe
[quote][p][bold]Thepleb[/bold] wrote: All this saving money baloney, cctv control room voted to be closed at a saving of £420,000, staff warned senior officers that work carried out in there especially out of hours emergencies and communications for community patrol,alarm monitoring and key holding could not just be scrapped did they listen no and eleven staff were made redundant. The control room is still open at a budgeted cost of £210,000 with inexperienced,unqual ified agency staff with the agency charging WBC twice what they were already paying the former fully experienced and qualified staff this is the kind of mess wirral council is in as previously stated I was one of the eleven and not one of our elected 66 councillors has had the balls to look into this farce and ask the question why was this allowed to happen maybe the corruption and lies by former and current management now being investigated by town hall officials would bring more shame on these scheisters.[/p][/quote]Hey Pleb, I fully support you but could you pls explain those numbers again. The cost was originally £420k and it is now £210k. So the Council are saving 50% is that correct? So how is this twice the cost? Sorry, I'm a little confused. Joe Joeblogg85
  • Score: 1

9:12am Tue 17 Jun 14

Thepleb says...

Joeblogg85 wrote:
Thepleb wrote:
All this saving money baloney, cctv control room voted to be closed at a saving of £420,000, staff warned senior officers that work carried out in there especially out of hours emergencies and communications for community patrol,alarm monitoring and key holding could not just be scrapped did they listen no and eleven staff were made redundant.
The control room is still open at a budgeted cost of £210,000 with inexperienced,unqual


ified agency staff with the agency charging WBC twice what they were already paying the former fully experienced and qualified staff this is the kind of mess wirral council is in as previously stated I was one of the eleven and not one of our elected 66 councillors has had the balls to look into this farce and ask the question why was this allowed to happen maybe the corruption and lies by former and current management now being investigated by town hall officials would bring more shame on these scheisters.
Hey Pleb,

I fully support you but could you pls explain those numbers again. The cost was originally £420k and it is now £210k. So the Council are saving 50% is that correct? So how is this twice the cost? Sorry, I'm a little confused.

Joe
The saving was to be £420,000 in closing the control room along with all staff made redundant.
It is still open with agency staff, my point being if it is still open with a budget of £210,000 why weren't some of the fully trained staff retained and not forced out of the door after meeting with senior officers who informed them it was to close, also after the what really matters consultation which was worded in such a biased way there was only to be one outcome cabinet voted to close it but they have had a massive uturn and have kept it open.
As one of the eleven made redundant this has had a massive impact on myself and family, luckily I have gained employment but I know of fellow colleagues who have not been so lucky meanwhile are jobs are still there.
[quote][p][bold]Joeblogg85[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thepleb[/bold] wrote: All this saving money baloney, cctv control room voted to be closed at a saving of £420,000, staff warned senior officers that work carried out in there especially out of hours emergencies and communications for community patrol,alarm monitoring and key holding could not just be scrapped did they listen no and eleven staff were made redundant. The control room is still open at a budgeted cost of £210,000 with inexperienced,unqual ified agency staff with the agency charging WBC twice what they were already paying the former fully experienced and qualified staff this is the kind of mess wirral council is in as previously stated I was one of the eleven and not one of our elected 66 councillors has had the balls to look into this farce and ask the question why was this allowed to happen maybe the corruption and lies by former and current management now being investigated by town hall officials would bring more shame on these scheisters.[/p][/quote]Hey Pleb, I fully support you but could you pls explain those numbers again. The cost was originally £420k and it is now £210k. So the Council are saving 50% is that correct? So how is this twice the cost? Sorry, I'm a little confused. Joe[/p][/quote]The saving was to be £420,000 in closing the control room along with all staff made redundant. It is still open with agency staff, my point being if it is still open with a budget of £210,000 why weren't some of the fully trained staff retained and not forced out of the door after meeting with senior officers who informed them it was to close, also after the what really matters consultation which was worded in such a biased way there was only to be one outcome cabinet voted to close it but they have had a massive uturn and have kept it open. As one of the eleven made redundant this has had a massive impact on myself and family, luckily I have gained employment but I know of fellow colleagues who have not been so lucky meanwhile are jobs are still there. Thepleb
  • Score: 2

10:23am Tue 17 Jun 14

Joeblogg85 says...

Thepleb wrote:
Joeblogg85 wrote:
Thepleb wrote:
All this saving money baloney, cctv control room voted to be closed at a saving of £420,000, staff warned senior officers that work carried out in there especially out of hours emergencies and communications for community patrol,alarm monitoring and key holding could not just be scrapped did they listen no and eleven staff were made redundant.
The control room is still open at a budgeted cost of £210,000 with inexperienced,unqual



ified agency staff with the agency charging WBC twice what they were already paying the former fully experienced and qualified staff this is the kind of mess wirral council is in as previously stated I was one of the eleven and not one of our elected 66 councillors has had the balls to look into this farce and ask the question why was this allowed to happen maybe the corruption and lies by former and current management now being investigated by town hall officials would bring more shame on these scheisters.
Hey Pleb,

I fully support you but could you pls explain those numbers again. The cost was originally £420k and it is now £210k. So the Council are saving 50% is that correct? So how is this twice the cost? Sorry, I'm a little confused.

Joe
The saving was to be £420,000 in closing the control room along with all staff made redundant.
It is still open with agency staff, my point being if it is still open with a budget of £210,000 why weren't some of the fully trained staff retained and not forced out of the door after meeting with senior officers who informed them it was to close, also after the what really matters consultation which was worded in such a biased way there was only to be one outcome cabinet voted to close it but they have had a massive uturn and have kept it open.
As one of the eleven made redundant this has had a massive impact on myself and family, luckily I have gained employment but I know of fellow colleagues who have not been so lucky meanwhile are jobs are still there.
Thanks Pleb,

The situation you have explained clearly sounds unfair. I'm sure you will know that Employment Law legislation is in place to protect people in this position.

All the best.

Joe
[quote][p][bold]Thepleb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joeblogg85[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thepleb[/bold] wrote: All this saving money baloney, cctv control room voted to be closed at a saving of £420,000, staff warned senior officers that work carried out in there especially out of hours emergencies and communications for community patrol,alarm monitoring and key holding could not just be scrapped did they listen no and eleven staff were made redundant. The control room is still open at a budgeted cost of £210,000 with inexperienced,unqual ified agency staff with the agency charging WBC twice what they were already paying the former fully experienced and qualified staff this is the kind of mess wirral council is in as previously stated I was one of the eleven and not one of our elected 66 councillors has had the balls to look into this farce and ask the question why was this allowed to happen maybe the corruption and lies by former and current management now being investigated by town hall officials would bring more shame on these scheisters.[/p][/quote]Hey Pleb, I fully support you but could you pls explain those numbers again. The cost was originally £420k and it is now £210k. So the Council are saving 50% is that correct? So how is this twice the cost? Sorry, I'm a little confused. Joe[/p][/quote]The saving was to be £420,000 in closing the control room along with all staff made redundant. It is still open with agency staff, my point being if it is still open with a budget of £210,000 why weren't some of the fully trained staff retained and not forced out of the door after meeting with senior officers who informed them it was to close, also after the what really matters consultation which was worded in such a biased way there was only to be one outcome cabinet voted to close it but they have had a massive uturn and have kept it open. As one of the eleven made redundant this has had a massive impact on myself and family, luckily I have gained employment but I know of fellow colleagues who have not been so lucky meanwhile are jobs are still there.[/p][/quote]Thanks Pleb, The situation you have explained clearly sounds unfair. I'm sure you will know that Employment Law legislation is in place to protect people in this position. All the best. Joe Joeblogg85
  • Score: 2

4:09pm Tue 17 Jun 14

piermaster says...

hobroW wrote:
At this stage I agree with the extreme left wing of the Labour party, that Labour ought to refuse to implement these cuts. Where are they protecting the weak and the poor? should it not be left to the coalition partners's parties to execute such radical cuts and answer to them as to their justification.

The Labour group is sacrificing principle for perquisites of office.

The cuts are necessary but it is not Labour's duty to execute them unless of course publicly they acknowlkedge their necessity rather than pretending they object. Their position is very much that of Quisling!

In practice either resign en masse or abstain from calling in the decisions of a Liberal Democrat/Conservativ

e coalition. Once the deeds are done let us see what the electorate makes of the arguments for and against in a General Election.

J;accuse the Labour Group of putting preferment and salary above principle.
Well you would,would you not!!
[quote][p][bold]hobroW[/bold] wrote: At this stage I agree with the extreme left wing of the Labour party, that Labour ought to refuse to implement these cuts. Where are they protecting the weak and the poor? should it not be left to the coalition partners's parties to execute such radical cuts and answer to them as to their justification. The Labour group is sacrificing principle for perquisites of office. The cuts are necessary but it is not Labour's duty to execute them unless of course publicly they acknowlkedge their necessity rather than pretending they object. Their position is very much that of Quisling! In practice either resign en masse or abstain from calling in the decisions of a Liberal Democrat/Conservativ e coalition. Once the deeds are done let us see what the electorate makes of the arguments for and against in a General Election. J;accuse the Labour Group of putting preferment and salary above principle.[/p][/quote]Well you would,would you not!! piermaster
  • Score: 0

5:48pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Local Govwatcher1 says...

hobroW wrote:
This definitely should have been released BEFORE the election.

Burgess is Labour's man but what skill is there in shedding workers to make the budget. Anybody can do that!!

The electorate should be fuming!
Surely, the minority of the Wirral electorate have agreed these job cuts by association in voting the Labour politburo back into power. Those majority of Wirral residents who did not vote are surely guilty of allowing this situation by showing gross apathy towards the election of councillors who show only self interest, and not that of responsibly running an effective Council.
[quote][p][bold]hobroW[/bold] wrote: This definitely should have been released BEFORE the election. Burgess is Labour's man but what skill is there in shedding workers to make the budget. Anybody can do that!! The electorate should be fuming![/p][/quote]Surely, the minority of the Wirral electorate have agreed these job cuts by association in voting the Labour politburo back into power. Those majority of Wirral residents who did not vote are surely guilty of allowing this situation by showing gross apathy towards the election of councillors who show only self interest, and not that of responsibly running an effective Council. Local Govwatcher1
  • Score: 0

6:36pm Tue 17 Jun 14

hobroW says...

Certainly would Master Pier.

It is a point that Labour's extreme wing did raise two years ago because I remember taking to a Cabinet Member who reported the same, and how they would not set an illegal budget because that would invite the Commissioners to take over. We now know how close that event was to come into being, and they are some who would have welcomed the commissioners rather than the wishy -washy LGA peer group

They would, would not they?
Certainly would Master Pier. It is a point that Labour's extreme wing did raise two years ago because I remember taking to a Cabinet Member who reported the same, and how they would not set an illegal budget because that would invite the Commissioners to take over. We now know how close that event was to come into being, and they are some who would have welcomed the commissioners rather than the wishy -washy LGA peer group They would, would not they? hobroW
  • Score: 1

9:37pm Tue 17 Jun 14

hobroW says...

I do not know exactly how the Commissioners operate but it would have been an humiliation to the controlling party, which disgrace some Councillors , and certainly the top local government officers richly deserved over and above any shame occasioned them as matters have panned out.

Surely the Commissioners would then have brought about the cuts FROM AN IMPARTIAL VIEWPOINT.

Surely IMPARTIALLYalso would they have led the multiple investigations of misconduct which have ended up in a locked drawer of Cllr P Davies ; the body of expensive FOI requests would have diminished as would the expensive pay offs to implicated officers.

I cannot imagine Commissioners telling myself as did a Cabinet Member that we are not accountants, we cant understand that not putting a £60,000 VAT liability that is in a closing balance Sheet , into the succeeeding Opening Balancve sheet, is not right, or to be told that forging of dates and of signatures was part of the accounting discipline and too esoteric for councillors to grasp!

No none of that would have taken place with out-of-towners with nothing to lose! That was the first reaction of Grant thornton-
This is easy -peasy they are all wrong! Or the police constable who was given one file to read for one half hour

"I am not a finance wizard but this is plainly fraud"

The only losers would have been the politicos. That is why I and many others like the idea of commissioners- we would, wouldn't we?
I do not know exactly how the Commissioners operate but it would have been an humiliation to the controlling party, which disgrace some Councillors , and certainly the top local government officers richly deserved over and above any shame occasioned them as matters have panned out. Surely the Commissioners would then have brought about the cuts FROM AN IMPARTIAL VIEWPOINT. Surely IMPARTIALLYalso would they have led the multiple investigations of misconduct which have ended up in a locked drawer of Cllr P Davies ; the body of expensive FOI requests would have diminished as would the expensive pay offs to implicated officers. I cannot imagine Commissioners telling myself as did a Cabinet Member that we are not accountants, we cant understand that not putting a £60,000 VAT liability that is in a closing balance Sheet , into the succeeeding Opening Balancve sheet, is not right, or to be told that forging of dates and of signatures was part of the accounting discipline and too esoteric for councillors to grasp! No none of that would have taken place with out-of-towners with nothing to lose! That was the first reaction of Grant thornton- This is easy -peasy they are all wrong! Or the police constable who was given one file to read for one half hour "I am not a finance wizard but this is plainly fraud" The only losers would have been the politicos. That is why I and many others like the idea of commissioners- we would, wouldn't we? hobroW
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10:17am Wed 18 Jun 14

Dave J1608 says...

Wirral council? The words couldn't run and brewery come to mind.
Wirral council? The words couldn't run and brewery come to mind. Dave J1608
  • Score: 1

3:35pm Wed 18 Jun 14

piermaster says...

hobroW wrote:
I do not know exactly how the Commissioners operate but it would have been an humiliation to the controlling party, which disgrace some Councillors , and certainly the top local government officers richly deserved over and above any shame occasioned them as matters have panned out.

Surely the Commissioners would then have brought about the cuts FROM AN IMPARTIAL VIEWPOINT.

Surely IMPARTIALLYalso would they have led the multiple investigations of misconduct which have ended up in a locked drawer of Cllr P Davies ; the body of expensive FOI requests would have diminished as would the expensive pay offs to implicated officers.

I cannot imagine Commissioners telling myself as did a Cabinet Member that we are not accountants, we cant understand that not putting a £60,000 VAT liability that is in a closing balance Sheet , into the succeeeding Opening Balancve sheet, is not right, or to be told that forging of dates and of signatures was part of the accounting discipline and too esoteric for councillors to grasp!

No none of that would have taken place with out-of-towners with nothing to lose! That was the first reaction of Grant thornton-
This is easy -peasy they are all wrong! Or the police constable who was given one file to read for one half hour

"I am not a finance wizard but this is plainly fraud"

The only losers would have been the politicos. That is why I and many others like the idea of commissioners- we would, wouldn't we?
Well you would,would you not!!!
[quote][p][bold]hobroW[/bold] wrote: I do not know exactly how the Commissioners operate but it would have been an humiliation to the controlling party, which disgrace some Councillors , and certainly the top local government officers richly deserved over and above any shame occasioned them as matters have panned out. Surely the Commissioners would then have brought about the cuts FROM AN IMPARTIAL VIEWPOINT. Surely IMPARTIALLYalso would they have led the multiple investigations of misconduct which have ended up in a locked drawer of Cllr P Davies ; the body of expensive FOI requests would have diminished as would the expensive pay offs to implicated officers. I cannot imagine Commissioners telling myself as did a Cabinet Member that we are not accountants, we cant understand that not putting a £60,000 VAT liability that is in a closing balance Sheet , into the succeeeding Opening Balancve sheet, is not right, or to be told that forging of dates and of signatures was part of the accounting discipline and too esoteric for councillors to grasp! No none of that would have taken place with out-of-towners with nothing to lose! That was the first reaction of Grant thornton- This is easy -peasy they are all wrong! Or the police constable who was given one file to read for one half hour "I am not a finance wizard but this is plainly fraud" The only losers would have been the politicos. That is why I and many others like the idea of commissioners- we would, wouldn't we?[/p][/quote]Well you would,would you not!!! piermaster
  • Score: 1

12:28pm Tue 24 Jun 14

YOU KNOW IT'S TRUE says...

TOO LITTLE TOO LATE. SHOULD BE A 1000 JOBS .
QUESTION :WHO WILL NOTICE THESE JOBS HAVE GONE?
ANSWER: NO-ONE!!!!!
THIS SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED MANY YEARS AGO.
PRIVATISE ALL COUNCIL JOBS FOR A MORE EFFICIENT LESS WASTEFUL LOWER PRICED SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY,
OH AND ONE OTHER THING ---- THIS ISN'T LABOUR'S FAULT IT'S THAT NASTY COALITION "WHO KEEP CUTTING ( IE STOPPING THIS LABOUR COUNCIL WASTING YOUR MONEY) OUR MONEY!!"
TOO LITTLE TOO LATE. SHOULD BE A 1000 JOBS . QUESTION :WHO WILL NOTICE THESE JOBS HAVE GONE? ANSWER: NO-ONE!!!!! THIS SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED MANY YEARS AGO. PRIVATISE ALL COUNCIL JOBS FOR A MORE EFFICIENT LESS WASTEFUL LOWER PRICED SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY, OH AND ONE OTHER THING ---- THIS ISN'T LABOUR'S FAULT IT'S THAT NASTY COALITION "WHO KEEP CUTTING ( IE STOPPING THIS LABOUR COUNCIL WASTING YOUR MONEY) OUR MONEY!!" YOU KNOW IT'S TRUE
  • Score: -2

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