Councillors raise concerns over new Meols Drive care home

Councillors raise concerns over new Meols Drive care home

Councillors raise concerns over new Meols Drive care home

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CONCERNS have been raised over a new care home set to open on Hoylake's "Millionaires' Row" this summer.

Mental Health Care UK received permission in September last year to build the 12-bed home on Meols Drive.

But concerns have since been raised by ward councillors who now say the facility is not a suitable development, being so close to schools and families.

Councillor John Hale, ward member for Hoylake and Meols, told the Globe internet rumours suggest that the owners intend to use the property as a “hostel” for those with a history of violence and sexual offending - but MHC has stressed this is not the case.

“This property is situated in a well-populated Conservation Area with lots of young families residing nearby,” said Cllr Hale.

“In the same road there is a secondary school for girls and a separate residential school for children attended by both boys and girls.

“I believe that such a use as that which is rumoured to be the purpose would be completely wrong in such an area.

"My colleague Cllr Gerry Ellis and I would certainly oppose any application to grant planning permission for the rumoured intention.”

A spokesman for MCH refuted claims that those staying at the Meols Drive unit would be dangerous, adding that full planning permission for the service was sought and granted, with “no objections from the local community received.”

“Meols Drive Care Home with Nursing will offer residential nursing support for men who are affected by mild to moderate learning disabilities,” explained the spokesman.

“The service aims to help people learn skills which will help them live as independently as possible.

“This is a service which will help people acquire or re-learn skills.

"People living at the home will be those who because of their learning disability need on-going care and support to live in the community.”

"Residents will be given time and support to acquire the skills needed to live as independently as possible and play a full and active part within their community; being close to family and friends.”

More than 40 jobs will be created when the home opens in August and those living at Meols Drive will be supported by experienced and trained staff including nurses 24 hours a day.

A team of clinical professionals will thoroughly assess abilities and all potential risks to ensure it is the most appropriation place for each person to live.

The spokesman added: “We would be delighted to speak individually to any neighbours or councillors who may have questions about the service and are looking forward to being a positive part of the Meols Drive and wider Hoylake community.”

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1:48pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Natasha Eubank says...

Despite being in an optimal position to establish exactly what the nature of the people this service would accommodate, Councillor Hale would rather use unfounded internet rumours on which to base his public statements.

Pure alarmism......not to mention nimbyism!
Despite being in an optimal position to establish exactly what the nature of the people this service would accommodate, Councillor Hale would rather use unfounded internet rumours on which to base his public statements. Pure alarmism......not to mention nimbyism! Natasha Eubank
  • Score: 5

2:21pm Tue 10 Jun 14

MX says...

"My colleague Cllr Gerry Ellis and I would certainly oppose any application to grant planning permission for the rumoured intention.”

Please spare us from Cllr Ellis displaying his usual lack of insight and sensitivity.
"My colleague Cllr Gerry Ellis and I would certainly oppose any application to grant planning permission for the rumoured intention.” Please spare us from Cllr Ellis displaying his usual lack of insight and sensitivity. MX
  • Score: 2

2:45pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Joeblogg85 says...

MX wrote:
"My colleague Cllr Gerry Ellis and I would certainly oppose any application to grant planning permission for the rumoured intention.”

Please spare us from Cllr Ellis displaying his usual lack of insight and sensitivity.
Ha ha, just stick them both in there ha ha. Old school **** who needs to step down and let some fresh blood in. Dead men walking those two. They need to get back in the box on the Muppet Show!
[quote][p][bold]MX[/bold] wrote: "My colleague Cllr Gerry Ellis and I would certainly oppose any application to grant planning permission for the rumoured intention.” Please spare us from Cllr Ellis displaying his usual lack of insight and sensitivity.[/p][/quote]Ha ha, just stick them both in there ha ha. Old school **** who needs to step down and let some fresh blood in. Dead men walking those two. They need to get back in the box on the Muppet Show! Joeblogg85
  • Score: 0

4:20pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Wirral Resident says...

Cllr Elis and Cllr Hale you both need to resign right now. It think the comments you are making are appalling, snobbish and out of date. I am pretty sure there are rules about housing paedophiles near schools so I am pretty sure that planning permission was granted on the true nature of the Care home.

How dare you insinuate that people with learning difficulties and disabilities be compared to sexual predators. How dare you presume that people with learning difficulties sand disabilities are the same. Shame on you for insinuating this SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!! Who will call them to account for their comments!!!!
Cllr Elis and Cllr Hale you both need to resign right now. It think the comments you are making are appalling, snobbish and out of date. I am pretty sure there are rules about housing paedophiles near schools so I am pretty sure that planning permission was granted on the true nature of the Care home. How dare you insinuate that people with learning difficulties and disabilities be compared to sexual predators. How dare you presume that people with learning difficulties sand disabilities are the same. Shame on you for insinuating this SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!! Who will call them to account for their comments!!!! Wirral Resident
  • Score: 17

5:40pm Tue 10 Jun 14

peteredwards says...

Peter Edwards 'local resident'.
I am disgusted and ashamed by the ill informed comments by Councillors Ellis and Hale. Not only will this formerly derelict building be brought back into use but it is also providing valuable local employment.
The people of Hoylake have a great reputation for welcoming those with a learning disability. How dare these ill informed men slur the reputation of Hoylake with these cheap headlines.
I am reassured by the other comments who are equally as disgusted as I am.
Peter Edwards 'local resident'. I am disgusted and ashamed by the ill informed comments by Councillors Ellis and Hale. Not only will this formerly derelict building be brought back into use but it is also providing valuable local employment. The people of Hoylake have a great reputation for welcoming those with a learning disability. How dare these ill informed men slur the reputation of Hoylake with these cheap headlines. I am reassured by the other comments who are equally as disgusted as I am. peteredwards
  • Score: 9

6:34pm Tue 10 Jun 14

djrimmer says...

Sounds like the NIMBY`s have been lobbying Hale and Ellis. Run correctly, this project would be an asset to the local community if only that community gave the project the appropriate support
Sounds like the NIMBY`s have been lobbying Hale and Ellis. Run correctly, this project would be an asset to the local community if only that community gave the project the appropriate support djrimmer
  • Score: 6

10:18pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Hoylake resident says...

There is too many unanswered questions about this facility. Is it a secure unit. Will those who use it have criminal records. The owners need to host a meeting and welcome local residents and reassure them about its purpose. How can they expect it to become part of the community if they don't engage with them?
There is too many unanswered questions about this facility. Is it a secure unit. Will those who use it have criminal records. The owners need to host a meeting and welcome local residents and reassure them about its purpose. How can they expect it to become part of the community if they don't engage with them? Hoylake resident
  • Score: 0

10:48pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Wirral Resident says...

Hoylake resident wrote:
There is too many unanswered questions about this facility. Is it a secure unit. Will those who use it have criminal records. The owners need to host a meeting and welcome local residents and reassure them about its purpose. How can they expect it to become part of the community if they don't engage with them?
People with learning difficulties or disabilities are not criminals they are people just like you and me. They just don't have the capacity to live independently. Yet again someone judging people through ignorance.

It if was a secure unit for people who have criminal convictions then I could understand your concern. Yes I agree it may help you if you meet the owners. It may help you further if you volunteer at an adult day centre for people with learning difficulties - perhaps you might not be so quick to judge.
[quote][p][bold]Hoylake resident[/bold] wrote: There is too many unanswered questions about this facility. Is it a secure unit. Will those who use it have criminal records. The owners need to host a meeting and welcome local residents and reassure them about its purpose. How can they expect it to become part of the community if they don't engage with them?[/p][/quote]People with learning difficulties or disabilities are not criminals they are people just like you and me. They just don't have the capacity to live independently. Yet again someone judging people through ignorance. It if was a secure unit for people who have criminal convictions then I could understand your concern. Yes I agree it may help you if you meet the owners. It may help you further if you volunteer at an adult day centre for people with learning difficulties - perhaps you might not be so quick to judge. Wirral Resident
  • Score: 7

12:13am Wed 11 Jun 14

Joeblogg85 says...

It's all kicking off just in time for TheOpen! Funny that........
It's all kicking off just in time for TheOpen! Funny that........ Joeblogg85
  • Score: 0

12:28am Wed 11 Jun 14

Llamedos 1 says...

Wirral Resident, you obviously need educating about the nature if people with learning difficulties. Forgive me if I am wrong but you seem to think that they have criminal records of one kind or another or need locking up like lunatics. Well for your ease of mind go and visit Moreton, Eastham or Cambridge Road Adult Training centres or even Highcroft Day centre in Bebington and engage with the clients there and I think you would be less anxious. In fact you might even get a new perspective on life.......seriously
, do it ....you will certainly enjoy your time with the people you appear to be frightened of
Wirral Resident, you obviously need educating about the nature if people with learning difficulties. Forgive me if I am wrong but you seem to think that they have criminal records of one kind or another or need locking up like lunatics. Well for your ease of mind go and visit Moreton, Eastham or Cambridge Road Adult Training centres or even Highcroft Day centre in Bebington and engage with the clients there and I think you would be less anxious. In fact you might even get a new perspective on life.......seriously , do it ....you will certainly enjoy your time with the people you appear to be frightened of Llamedos 1
  • Score: 0

7:49am Wed 11 Jun 14

Wirral Resident says...

Llamedos 1 wrote:
Wirral Resident, you obviously need educating about the nature if people with learning difficulties. Forgive me if I am wrong but you seem to think that they have criminal records of one kind or another or need locking up like lunatics. Well for your ease of mind go and visit Moreton, Eastham or Cambridge Road Adult Training centres or even Highcroft Day centre in Bebington and engage with the clients there and I think you would be less anxious. In fact you might even get a new perspective on life.......seriously

, do it ....you will certainly enjoy your time with the people you appear to be frightened of
Llamodes - if you read my post properly you will see that I am asking the counsellors to do exactly as you advise me to do. I am on the side of fairness, diversity and equality and have worked with people with learning difficulties for a number of years. I am totally appalled by the ignorance of the counsellors and am encouraging them to engage with this group of people so that they can learn not to judge them in the way that they appear to be over this care home. Please do read my post again, you have totally miss read my comments. I agree with you, people especially the counsellors are the people that need educating - not me sorry. .
[quote][p][bold]Llamedos 1[/bold] wrote: Wirral Resident, you obviously need educating about the nature if people with learning difficulties. Forgive me if I am wrong but you seem to think that they have criminal records of one kind or another or need locking up like lunatics. Well for your ease of mind go and visit Moreton, Eastham or Cambridge Road Adult Training centres or even Highcroft Day centre in Bebington and engage with the clients there and I think you would be less anxious. In fact you might even get a new perspective on life.......seriously , do it ....you will certainly enjoy your time with the people you appear to be frightened of[/p][/quote]Llamodes - if you read my post properly you will see that I am asking the counsellors to do exactly as you advise me to do. I am on the side of fairness, diversity and equality and have worked with people with learning difficulties for a number of years. I am totally appalled by the ignorance of the counsellors and am encouraging them to engage with this group of people so that they can learn not to judge them in the way that they appear to be over this care home. Please do read my post again, you have totally miss read my comments. I agree with you, people especially the counsellors are the people that need educating - not me sorry. . Wirral Resident
  • Score: 4

10:24am Wed 11 Jun 14

andopants says...

Cheap headlines?? What??? Where??

The headline is 'Councillors raise concerns over Meols Drive care home'. Isn't that what they are elected to do?

Info from company website can be found here: www.mentalhealthcare
-uk.com/locations/me
ols-drive

This raises more questions than it answers ('anti-barricade doors', 'management and evidenced of reduction in risk behaviours', 'the ability to isolate services from individual room') and I'm happy to admit my ignorance in not understanding exactly what this means but I do know that if I lived near this facility or I had kids going to school nearby I'd be wanting to hear more from the owners too. I do not believe that makes me bigoted or some kind of pariah - it makes me an individual that wants to have more information and answers to my concerns and questions.

Current planning permission for this property is for a care home for the elderly and mentally infirm (an EMI home) after the planning permission for change of use to a hotel elapsed.

Me thinks the company involved was hoping to sneak their plans under the radar which doesn't bode well for community relations. Well, that's been well and truly scuppered now!
Cheap headlines?? What??? Where?? The headline is 'Councillors raise concerns over Meols Drive care home'. Isn't that what they are elected to do? Info from company website can be found here: www.mentalhealthcare -uk.com/locations/me ols-drive This raises more questions than it answers ('anti-barricade doors', 'management and evidenced of reduction in risk behaviours', 'the ability to isolate services from individual room') and I'm happy to admit my ignorance in not understanding exactly what this means but I do know that if I lived near this facility or I had kids going to school nearby I'd be wanting to hear more from the owners too. I do not believe that makes me bigoted or some kind of pariah - it makes me an individual that wants to have more information and answers to my concerns and questions. Current planning permission for this property is for a care home for the elderly and mentally infirm (an EMI home) after the planning permission for change of use to a hotel elapsed. Me thinks the company involved was hoping to sneak their plans under the radar which doesn't bode well for community relations. Well, that's been well and truly scuppered now! andopants
  • Score: 0

1:06pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Llamedos 1 says...

Sincere apologies Wirral Resident my comments should have been made to Hoylake Resident.....again sincere apologies
Sincere apologies Wirral Resident my comments should have been made to Hoylake Resident.....again sincere apologies Llamedos 1
  • Score: 2

6:56pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Natasha Eubank says...

andopants wrote:
Cheap headlines?? What??? Where??

The headline is 'Councillors raise concerns over Meols Drive care home'. Isn't that what they are elected to do?

Info from company website can be found here: www.mentalhealthcare

-uk.com/locations/me

ols-drive

This raises more questions than it answers ('anti-barricade doors', 'management and evidenced of reduction in risk behaviours', 'the ability to isolate services from individual room') and I'm happy to admit my ignorance in not understanding exactly what this means but I do know that if I lived near this facility or I had kids going to school nearby I'd be wanting to hear more from the owners too. I do not believe that makes me bigoted or some kind of pariah - it makes me an individual that wants to have more information and answers to my concerns and questions.

Current planning permission for this property is for a care home for the elderly and mentally infirm (an EMI home) after the planning permission for change of use to a hotel elapsed.

Me thinks the company involved was hoping to sneak their plans under the radar which doesn't bode well for community relations. Well, that's been well and truly scuppered now!
Under the radar???!

A planning application was submitted which would have been available for public viewing on the council website.....

The council would have placed notices on lampposts around the site.

The council would have written to nearby residents to advise them of the application.

How is that 'Under the Radar'?
[quote][p][bold]andopants[/bold] wrote: Cheap headlines?? What??? Where?? The headline is 'Councillors raise concerns over Meols Drive care home'. Isn't that what they are elected to do? Info from company website can be found here: www.mentalhealthcare -uk.com/locations/me ols-drive This raises more questions than it answers ('anti-barricade doors', 'management and evidenced of reduction in risk behaviours', 'the ability to isolate services from individual room') and I'm happy to admit my ignorance in not understanding exactly what this means but I do know that if I lived near this facility or I had kids going to school nearby I'd be wanting to hear more from the owners too. I do not believe that makes me bigoted or some kind of pariah - it makes me an individual that wants to have more information and answers to my concerns and questions. Current planning permission for this property is for a care home for the elderly and mentally infirm (an EMI home) after the planning permission for change of use to a hotel elapsed. Me thinks the company involved was hoping to sneak their plans under the radar which doesn't bode well for community relations. Well, that's been well and truly scuppered now![/p][/quote]Under the radar???! A planning application was submitted which would have been available for public viewing on the council website..... The council would have placed notices on lampposts around the site. The council would have written to nearby residents to advise them of the application. How is that 'Under the Radar'? Natasha Eubank
  • Score: -4

10:42pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Wirral Resident says...

Llamedos 1 wrote:
Sincere apologies Wirral Resident my comments should have been made to Hoylake Resident.....again sincere apologies
Easy mistake. apology accepted. Just wish people would be less ignorant and judgemental and I really wish our counsellors would earn their expenses and do a proper job.
[quote][p][bold]Llamedos 1[/bold] wrote: Sincere apologies Wirral Resident my comments should have been made to Hoylake Resident.....again sincere apologies[/p][/quote]Easy mistake. apology accepted. Just wish people would be less ignorant and judgemental and I really wish our counsellors would earn their expenses and do a proper job. Wirral Resident
  • Score: 3

11:08pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Llamedos 1 says...

Wurral Resident, thanks for accepting my apology and we certainly do agree that these ignorant NIMBY`s need educating. In fact if they gave a couple if hours of their valuable time to go and visit a social services day centre as we have both suggested then they would realise how pathetic their concerns are, The absolute pleasure and laughs I have had associating with people with learning difficulties over 24 years has undoubtedly enhanced my life
Wurral Resident, thanks for accepting my apology and we certainly do agree that these ignorant NIMBY`s need educating. In fact if they gave a couple if hours of their valuable time to go and visit a social services day centre as we have both suggested then they would realise how pathetic their concerns are, The absolute pleasure and laughs I have had associating with people with learning difficulties over 24 years has undoubtedly enhanced my life Llamedos 1
  • Score: 3

11:19pm Wed 11 Jun 14

andopants says...

The current designated use is for a care home for the elderly and mentally infirm (EMI home) the new owners will have to submit a planning application now if they want 18-65 year olds to reside there. Maybe they were hoping / thinking about retrospective planning permission? Hence my under the radar comment. As I said scuppered now.
The current designated use is for a care home for the elderly and mentally infirm (EMI home) the new owners will have to submit a planning application now if they want 18-65 year olds to reside there. Maybe they were hoping / thinking about retrospective planning permission? Hence my under the radar comment. As I said scuppered now. andopants
  • Score: 4

9:32am Thu 12 Jun 14

Natasha Eubank says...

andopants wrote:
The current designated use is for a care home for the elderly and mentally infirm (EMI home) the new owners will have to submit a planning application now if they want 18-65 year olds to reside there. Maybe they were hoping / thinking about retrospective planning permission? Hence my under the radar comment. As I said scuppered now.
Retrospective planning permission for a care home?

Seriously?

Speculating to justify your nimbyism. Pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]andopants[/bold] wrote: The current designated use is for a care home for the elderly and mentally infirm (EMI home) the new owners will have to submit a planning application now if they want 18-65 year olds to reside there. Maybe they were hoping / thinking about retrospective planning permission? Hence my under the radar comment. As I said scuppered now.[/p][/quote]Retrospective planning permission for a care home? Seriously? Speculating to justify your nimbyism. Pathetic. Natasha Eubank
  • Score: -1

2:36pm Thu 12 Jun 14

andopants says...

I live in Prenton, next to a care home actually, not sure how that counts as nimbyism but happy for you to try and explain. The new owners will have to apply for change of use if they want to use this building as anything other than a care home for the elderly and mentally infirm. I am speculating that this would have been much easier to achieve if they already had 18-65 year old men living in the property - that scenario is retrospective planning permission, are you getting it now? This is a business after all which is why they may have taken this calculated risk.
I live in Prenton, next to a care home actually, not sure how that counts as nimbyism but happy for you to try and explain. The new owners will have to apply for change of use if they want to use this building as anything other than a care home for the elderly and mentally infirm. I am speculating that this would have been much easier to achieve if they already had 18-65 year old men living in the property - that scenario is retrospective planning permission, are you getting it now? This is a business after all which is why they may have taken this calculated risk. andopants
  • Score: 0

8:34am Fri 20 Jun 14

Roadkill says...

Hysterical reporting and those two councillors are, as Thatcher once accused Kinnock, "frit".

Supported living should not be reacted to in this way. And so what if it's on "millionaires row" - what, exactly is the significance of geography in a story such as this?
Hysterical reporting and those two councillors are, as Thatcher once accused Kinnock, "frit". Supported living should not be reacted to in this way. And so what if it's on "millionaires row" - what, exactly is the significance of geography in a story such as this? Roadkill
  • Score: 0

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