ELECTION ROUND-UP: Wirral's political leaders explain why our readers should vote for them

ELECTION ROUND-UP: Wirral's political leaders explain why our readers should vote for them

ELECTION ROUND-UP: Wirral's political leaders explain why our readers should vote for them

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by , Geoff Barnes

UNLESS the Wirral electorate undergo a complete reversal of political favour the reins of control of Wirral Council will remain firmly in Labour hands after the May 22 elections.

Advances at the polls in recent years mean that Labour will be defending in 11 of the 22 available seats.

But Wirral Tories – 14 seats adrift of Labour’s 36 – will themselves have to fight to retain eight seats.

The six-strong Liberal-Democrats defend in two seats and there is one Independent-held seat up for grabs.

UKIP and Wirral Green Party are both contesting all 22 seats in the elections.

Three Independent candidates will be seeking election in Rock Ferry, Seacombe and West Kirby and Thurstaston while a further two hopefuls will be fighting under the Trade Unionists and Socialists Against Cuts banner.

The economic situation will be a key battleground during the election.

Labour claim that despite unprecedented cuts in the council budget by the Tory-led government, amounting the £109m over three years, Wirral’s Labour-led council had brought the budget under control, reduced bad debts and tightened governance procedures.

The Conservatives argue that the council should not be spending money on extravagant staircases, plush new carpets, trades union pay, new offices for senior officers “employed at eye -watering expense.”

And the Lib-Dems rapped council decisions to switch off street lights; attempt to get schools to pay for school crossing patrols, using money needed for teachers and resources; introducing a brown bin tax and proposing a parking charge for Wirral’s country parks.

The Globe asked each group leader to explain to our readers why they should vote for them.

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LABOUR:

Wirral Globe: EXCLUSIVE: Council leader Phil Davies writes for the Globe - why major shake-up will make Wirral more open, more transparent and more accountable

Labour group leader and leader of Wirral Council Phil Davies

Councillor Phil Davies wrote: “The Labour Party is committed to improving our economy, tackling inequalities and protecting vulnerable people.

“When Labour won control of Wirral Council in May 2012 we inherited a £17 million overspend from the previous Tory/LibDem administration; bad debts of £10 million and poor standards of corporate governance.

“We also faced unprecedented cuts in our budget by the Tory-led government, amounting to £109 million over three years which equates to one-third of the council’s budget.

“In spite of these unfair cuts from the Tory-led government, Wirral’s Labour-led council has brought the budget under control, reduced bad debts and tightened our governance procedures.

“Labour has frozen the council tax for two years, retaining a discount for the poorest pensioners; invested £2million in our leisure facilities and £1.5 million in affordable housing; reinstated monthly cleaning of entries and maintained the Reach Out programme which gets unemployed people back into work.

“Under Labour, Wirral is a Living Wage Council and we have signed the Ethical Care Charter. I want to go further and for Wirral to become a Living Wage Borough.

“Wirral is punching its weight in the Liverpool City Region. I am proud to have been elected as the first Chair of the new Combined Authority. My priority will be to secure growth, jobs and investment.

“Labour’s priorities for the future include: remodelling the Council to ensure that we deliver good quality services with significantly less funding; maximising opportunities from the return of the Open to Hoylake and the International Business Festival; working with businesses to deliver growth via key projects such as Wirral Waters; developing a world class youth facility – Wirral Youth Zone; creating apprenticeships for our young people; regenerating Birkenhead Town Centre; and devolving more power to local residents.

“I will continue to lobby the government to provide a fair distribution of funding. It cannot be right that while Wirral has lost £152 per head, wealthy Tory controlled North Dorset has lost just £2 per head. Labour is committed to scrapping the government’s appalling Bedroom Tax.

“If you support our progressive agenda, then please vote Labour on May 22.

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CONSERVATIVE:

Wirral Globe: Tory group leader Jeff Green

Tory group leader Jeff Green

Wirral Conservative group leader Jeff Green wrote: “Wirral's Conservative Group believe the costs of the council to hardworking residents must be kept low and where possible reduced.

“We know that every pound the council spends is money taken from the pockets of Wirral residents and therefore it should be essential that any money the council do spend is spent wisely and fairly in a way that is going to improve the lives of all Wirral’s residents.

“In our opinion the council should not be spending your money on extravagant staircases, plush new carpets, Trades Union officials pay, new offices for senior officers employed at eye watering expense, while they are seeking to close Lyndale School for children with complex learning difficulties, introducing a garden waste tax, putting up car parking charges, switching off street lights, cutting money for repairing pot holes, pavements and school crossing patrols.

“We are pleased, following pressure from local Conservatives and the Government that the Labour administration’s has had to carry out a highly embarrassing U-turn and finally accept Government grant to freeze Wirral Council Tax although we deeply regret that this opportunity was not taken last year which has led to unnecessary financial burdens being imposed on Wirral’s hardworking families.

“All told, since April 2013, the cost of living for an average family in Wirral has gone up by an extra £295.51 per year due to Labour approved, locally determined measures. We believe immediate action must and can be taken to reduce this additional burden.

“Money is tight for the country, after all the previous Labour Government admitted to leaving no money behind but it is still down to elected councillors to make choices and the Labour councillors who run Wirral Council have made theirs.

“However we know that by reducing duplication and spending less on itself we can reduce the cost of living burden by reverting to pre-April 2012 car parking charges, reinstating the year round ‘free after 3pm’ parking initiative, halving the charge to residents for garden waste collection and freezing for one year, at current levels, Wirral Council’s fees and charges.

“We also know that by just cutting out the shear incompetence in the way your money is spent we can protect school crossing patrols, reverse the administration’s illogical plans to turn off street lights, increase the money available to tackle the small minority of irresponsible pet owners who persistently refuse to pick up after their pets and invest £1m in an immediate programme to repair pot holes and improve Wirral’s roads, and pavements.

“We will always invest to ensure children in the council’s care are kept safe.”

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LIBERAL DEMOCRAT:

Wirral Globe: Phil Gilchrist

Liberal Democrat group leader Phil Gilchrist

Liberal Democrat leader Phil Gilchrist wrote: “Most people feel that our economy is improving and that the darkest days are behind us.

"The Coalition Government gave us the cash to freeze Council Tax this year. It’s available next year too.

"They sent us £364,447 extra to repair our roads after the winter damage too.

"Our schools also have £16,800,000 through the ‘Pupil Premium’, real cash, helping children from poorer families succeed.

"But there’s another side to Wirral.

"Our council was in turmoil. It was only rescued with outside help. It was found to be unresponsive, inward looking, beset by infighting. Wirral was led by Labour during this time.

"Isn’t all that in the past? Events still suggest otherwise.

"Isn’t this the council that sought to switch off street lights, even where residents and the police raised concerns about it?

"Isn’t this the council that tried to get schools to pay for school crossing patrols, using money needed for teachers and resources?

"Isn’t this the ‘health promoting council‘ that suggested charging people for parking in their country parks?

"On all these issues we said the council was wrong. We opposed these plans and the brown bin tax.

"Of course there are still financial headaches, many of Wirral’s own making. Where we can put a case for specific funding we must do so.

"We must meet local needs as efficiently as possible, working closely with health and other public services, making the combined authority effective.”

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UKIP:

Wirral Globe: Paul Nuttall MEP

UKIP deputy leader and North West MEP Paul Nuttall

By UKIP deputy leader and North West MEP Paul Nuttall. Ukip are fielding candidates in all 22 wards.

"Two things are certain - most people are fed up with the stale politics of the three major parties in this country - and the only party offering a real change is UKIP.

"This applies in Wirral as much as nationally which is why UKIP is fielding the largest ever number of candidates in the local elections, including contesting every ward in the constituency.

"Locally, our policies include reducing the number of councillors from 66 to 44, freezing their allowances as well as the high pay-offs to senior officers, who resign under questionable circumstances, and curbing top management salaries.

"We would also cut red tape and end wasteful and unnecessary expenditure while protecting front line services. We would Introduce direct democracy with local referenda on major issues so that people can really influence decision making.

"Ending the Mersey Tunnel tolls is a major issue and we would extend free parking to help shops and businesses compete with out-of-town developments.

"While unemployment rates are falling nationally there is still an urgent local need to boost employment and long-term prosperity by attracting large companies and other businesses to the Wirral.

"Everyone knows that we have an aging population in this country and UKIP would increase help for older people to be able to stay in their own homes, which is of course, what they want to do.

"On May 22 as well as the local elections the European elections are also taking place and no one should be in any doubt about how much the EU affects us.

"The majority of our laws and regulations emanate from the unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats in Brussels and they are then rubber stamped by the EU parliament.

"While this all takes place in another country it impacts on our daily lives, including our household waste only being collected every fortnight and why we pay such high energy prices.

"UKIP, the country’s the fastest-growing political party, believes that the British people are best placed to govern our country. Only by voting for UKIP will you get a real change for the better.

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GREEN PARTY:

Wirral Globe:

Pat Cleary hopes to be elected Wirral's first Green councillor

By Green Party candidate Pat Cleary. The Greens are fielding candidates in all 22 wards.

"These elections are set to represent a breakthrough for the Green Party in both Wirral and across the North West.

"Locally, we aim to have our first councillor elected in Birkenhead and Tranmere where our candidate Pat Cleary polled over 40% last time round.

"For the European elections, which are decided on a proportional system, latest polls put the Greens ahead of the Lib Dems and poised to claim our first MEP in the North West.

"Voting Green is also the best way of ensuring the BNP no longer has political representation in our area.

"Andfor anyone considering UKIP, the Greens offer an anti-establishment alternative with grown up policies.

"Most importantly, we offer an end to the austerity policies supported by all the mainstream parties. We stand for fair taxation with wealthy individuals and corporations paying their share; an end to food bank Britain and the assault on the poor; investment in the green economy with its rich potential for employment and an end to fuel poverty.

"And we are the only party to oppose extreme energy such as fracking.

"Still not convinced?

"Visit voteforpolicies.org.uk and take the blind policy test.

"You may be Greener than you think."

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10:07am Fri 9 May 14

JimmyMercury says...

Just one point, why are the current council investing in affordable housing? I was under the impression that they held no housing stock now after selling their (our) properties for a pound each to housing associations.

That being the case, I assume we are paying subsidies to builders and potential buyers or landlords? What exactly do we who have no street lighting, litter collection and potholes galore etc get out of it?
Just one point, why are the current council investing in affordable housing? I was under the impression that they held no housing stock now after selling their (our) properties for a pound each to housing associations. That being the case, I assume we are paying subsidies to builders and potential buyers or landlords? What exactly do we who have no street lighting, litter collection and potholes galore etc get out of it? JimmyMercury
  • Score: 1

11:09am Fri 9 May 14

ballacrain says...

I myself after how my area has become neglected I can no longer trust anything any of the three main parties say. I am voting for a complete change and hope the people of Wirral will have the courage to do the same.
I myself after how my area has become neglected I can no longer trust anything any of the three main parties say. I am voting for a complete change and hope the people of Wirral will have the courage to do the same. ballacrain
  • Score: 8

12:13pm Fri 9 May 14

David Scott says...

"can no longer trust anything any of the three main parties say"

That's for sure!
"can no longer trust anything any of the three main parties say" That's for sure! David Scott
  • Score: 8

3:42pm Fri 9 May 14

PaulCa says...

The 2 xenophobic pretenders don't deserve our mandate either. If there's a Green Party or independent candidate locally, that's where my vote's going. Otherwise we've drawn a blank. Yet again.

BNP/UKIP shall be avoided like the plague.
The 2 xenophobic pretenders don't deserve our mandate either. If there's a Green Party or independent candidate locally, that's where my vote's going. Otherwise we've drawn a blank. Yet again. BNP/UKIP shall be avoided like the plague. PaulCa
  • Score: 9

6:06pm Fri 9 May 14

hobroW says...

The Conservatives ought to be rewarded for commssioning the
Klownowski report in my view.

In fact changing the jockey is a good method of reminding politicians that honest and candour are also required of their administrations.

Councillors do not possess as much power as the incumbent Local government Officers and, to control these officers, scrutiny is asked of them with no aiding or abetting of the concealment of truth.On that score the Liberal democrat, S Kelly should be commended.

I well remember the evening when the deputy leader of the Conservative group outlined in full council how she and her colleagues were misled on the eve of publication of the AKA report, being told no pay-offs of compromised officers were to be made, only to be gazumped by the large pay-offs of three officers as the AKA report was published.

So anything but Labour!!
The Conservatives ought to be rewarded for commssioning the Klownowski report in my view. In fact changing the jockey is a good method of reminding politicians that honest and candour are also required of their administrations. Councillors do not possess as much power as the incumbent Local government Officers and, to control these officers, scrutiny is asked of them with no aiding or abetting of the concealment of truth.On that score the Liberal democrat, S Kelly should be commended. I well remember the evening when the deputy leader of the Conservative group outlined in full council how she and her colleagues were misled on the eve of publication of the AKA report, being told no pay-offs of compromised officers were to be made, only to be gazumped by the large pay-offs of three officers as the AKA report was published. So anything but Labour!! hobroW
  • Score: 3

7:32pm Fri 9 May 14

PaulCa says...

The problem with the AKA report, AND all the other so called independent reports is that they were not independent. Each and every one of Wirral's external reviewers failed to declare any prior connection or affiliation to WBC before being granted access to the evidence - because there was no requirement to do so.

Other councils are more thorough and do things strictly above board, ensuring there is at least some degree of public oversight, whereas this one jealously holds onto all the cards and manipulates events to its own advantage.

Although we pay the money across hand over fist to keep these external experts in fine fettle, touring the local and national circuit of external reviews, here on Wirral, we will never be let in on the true extent of any undeclared interests.

Some Wirral councillors were mightily relieved when AKA pulled up short of the final fence - the investigation of councillors suspected to be up to their necks in the long term financial abuse of disabled tenants (totalling £736,756.91p unlawfully deducted from bank accounts).

If AKA had had the courage to jump that fence, and done what was urgently required, they could have been hit in the pocket when it came to pitching for future training opportunities.

It seems self interest won the day.
The problem with the AKA report, AND all the other so called independent reports is that they were not independent. Each and every one of Wirral's external reviewers failed to declare any prior connection or affiliation to WBC before being granted access to the evidence - because there was no requirement to do so. Other councils are more thorough and do things strictly above board, ensuring there is at least some degree of public oversight, whereas this one jealously holds onto all the cards and manipulates events to its own advantage. Although we pay the money across hand over fist to keep these external experts in fine fettle, touring the local and national circuit of external reviews, here on Wirral, we will never be let in on the true extent of any undeclared interests. Some Wirral councillors were mightily relieved when AKA pulled up short of the final fence - the investigation of councillors suspected to be up to their necks in the long term financial abuse of disabled tenants (totalling £736,756.91p unlawfully deducted from bank accounts). If AKA had had the courage to jump that fence, and done what was urgently required, they could have been hit in the pocket when it came to pitching for future training opportunities. It seems self interest won the day. PaulCa
  • Score: 5

9:23pm Fri 9 May 14

hobroW says...

Without AKA the wall would not have cracked and the majority of the population of Wirral would never have seen

"What lies underneath"

Falling short or not it was an important report.Of course AKA consultants were very handsomely paid and one would think that the string of expensive reports would lead voters to want to dump those who were in power at the time.

An imperfect world, and an imperfect report
Without AKA the wall would not have cracked and the majority of the population of Wirral would never have seen "What lies underneath" Falling short or not it was an important report.Of course AKA consultants were very handsomely paid and one would think that the string of expensive reports would lead voters to want to dump those who were in power at the time. An imperfect world, and an imperfect report hobroW
  • Score: 1

9:25pm Fri 9 May 14

keen gardener says...

I intend voting for the candidate who is most active in my area. Suspect this will solve nothing whilst Burgess & Co are insitu and who on earth can undo that one?! Fernbank Farm....Lyndale....(
just to name two "shames")....so whomever achieves they are going to inherit perhaps more than they bargained for. If I was politically motivated and looking to be elected I would be thinking twice or even thrice! Disallusioned with Wirral....and that is the understatement of the year.
I intend voting for the candidate who is most active in my area. Suspect this will solve nothing whilst Burgess & Co are insitu and who on earth can undo that one?! Fernbank Farm....Lyndale....( just to name two "shames")....so whomever achieves they are going to inherit perhaps more than they bargained for. If I was politically motivated and looking to be elected I would be thinking twice or even thrice! Disallusioned with Wirral....and that is the understatement of the year. keen gardener
  • Score: 5

3:47am Sat 10 May 14

naughtykitties says...

All three of the major parties currently resident in clown hall are joke. The reason we have such a joke of a council is they're all in it together. They need to be disposed of. Vote Green, UKIP or even one of the independents. Let get some new blood into clown hall and perhaps some of those senior officers might get their just desserts.
All three of the major parties currently resident in clown hall are joke. The reason we have such a joke of a council is they're all in it together. They need to be disposed of. Vote Green, UKIP or even one of the independents. Let get some new blood into clown hall and perhaps some of those senior officers might get their just desserts. naughtykitties
  • Score: 7

2:26pm Sat 10 May 14

PaulCa says...

A vote for UKIP would be a vote to dismantle the NHS.... which of course is not mentioned by Paul Nuttall in the nonsense above...

http://t.co/x5Ef9qEI
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A vote for UKIP would be a vote to dismantle the NHS.... which of course is not mentioned by Paul Nuttall in the nonsense above... http://t.co/x5Ef9qEI aN PaulCa
  • Score: 4

2:29pm Sat 10 May 14

PaulCa says...

I'll try that link again:

https://twitter.com/
NHAparty/status/4643
32681384562688/photo
/1
I'll try that link again: https://twitter.com/ NHAparty/status/4643 32681384562688/photo /1 PaulCa
  • Score: 3

7:22pm Sat 10 May 14

David Scott says...

PaulCa wrote:
The 2 xenophobic pretenders don't deserve our mandate either. If there's a Green Party or independent candidate locally, that's where my vote's going. Otherwise we've drawn a blank. Yet again. BNP/UKIP shall be avoided like the plague.
UKIP 'xenophobic' - would you care to explain?
[quote][p][bold]PaulCa[/bold] wrote: The 2 xenophobic pretenders don't deserve our mandate either. If there's a Green Party or independent candidate locally, that's where my vote's going. Otherwise we've drawn a blank. Yet again. BNP/UKIP shall be avoided like the plague.[/p][/quote]UKIP 'xenophobic' - would you care to explain? David Scott
  • Score: -3

9:29pm Sun 11 May 14

PaulCa says...

David Scott wrote:
PaulCa wrote:
The 2 xenophobic pretenders don't deserve our mandate either. If there's a Green Party or independent candidate locally, that's where my vote's going. Otherwise we've drawn a blank. Yet again. BNP/UKIP shall be avoided like the plague.
UKIP 'xenophobic' - would you care to explain?
Fear of foreigners, planted in the public psyche, ratcheted up, then spewed out across Britain's main street billboards as we speak.

On checking back through history and observing successive Blighty establishments' foul, despicable looting and murderous behaviour all over the world, going back centuries, isn't it a little bit hypocritical that a politician can criticise IMMIGRATION of all things, and wrap himself in a Union Jack whilst doing it?

Did we ever go were we weren't wanted? Yes. Time and again. We are the original "Boat People".

Time to wake up, stop regurgitating foul, ill-informed bigotry and show your full hand.

e.g. Your desire to privatise the NHS. How dare you?
[quote][p][bold]David Scott[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulCa[/bold] wrote: The 2 xenophobic pretenders don't deserve our mandate either. If there's a Green Party or independent candidate locally, that's where my vote's going. Otherwise we've drawn a blank. Yet again. BNP/UKIP shall be avoided like the plague.[/p][/quote]UKIP 'xenophobic' - would you care to explain?[/p][/quote]Fear of foreigners, planted in the public psyche, ratcheted up, then spewed out across Britain's main street billboards as we speak. On checking back through history and observing successive Blighty establishments' foul, despicable looting and murderous behaviour all over the world, going back centuries, isn't it a little bit hypocritical that a politician can criticise IMMIGRATION of all things, and wrap himself in a Union Jack whilst doing it? Did we ever go were we weren't wanted? Yes. Time and again. We are the original "Boat People". Time to wake up, stop regurgitating foul, ill-informed bigotry and show your full hand. e.g. Your desire to privatise the NHS. How dare you? PaulCa
  • Score: 3

11:17pm Sun 11 May 14

David Scott says...

You favour unlimited immigration it seems. Most people in this country wouldn't agree, and that applies to most countries around the world. It is nothing to do with 'fear of foreigners', just common sense.
You favour unlimited immigration it seems. Most people in this country wouldn't agree, and that applies to most countries around the world. It is nothing to do with 'fear of foreigners', just common sense. David Scott
  • Score: 4

12:28am Mon 12 May 14

PaulCa says...

David Scott wrote:
You favour unlimited immigration it seems. Most people in this country wouldn't agree, and that applies to most countries around the world. It is nothing to do with 'fear of foreigners', just common sense.
That's a very poor response and you know it. After the war, this country was in part, rebuilt by hard working immigrants looking for a better life. Their sheer numbers helped us to be great again before the cynical Thatcherite ideological destruction of industry.

That's a fact, whereas you have no facts, just dreamt up scare tactics.

You're back ratcheting up this irrational "fear of the unknown", because it's the only approach you have. Your hollow rhetoric would have voters deserting you in a savvy, street wise, educated world and you'd be sent scurrying back under your stone. (Relax by the way.... the prospect of a new enlightenment breaking out any time soon is receding with each miserable day that passes).

But before the darkness descends, you can have a good long look in the mirror and the penny might drop. Rather than grubbing around in the gutter, prodding people's worst fears and stirring up hatred, can't you give us all something that's intelligent, positive, humanitarian and founded in some sort of reality?
[quote][p][bold]David Scott[/bold] wrote: You favour unlimited immigration it seems. Most people in this country wouldn't agree, and that applies to most countries around the world. It is nothing to do with 'fear of foreigners', just common sense.[/p][/quote]That's a very poor response and you know it. After the war, this country was in part, rebuilt by hard working immigrants looking for a better life. Their sheer numbers helped us to be great again before the cynical Thatcherite ideological destruction of industry. That's a fact, whereas you have no facts, just dreamt up scare tactics. You're back ratcheting up this irrational "fear of the unknown", because it's the only approach you have. Your hollow rhetoric would have voters deserting you in a savvy, street wise, educated world and you'd be sent scurrying back under your stone. (Relax by the way.... the prospect of a new enlightenment breaking out any time soon is receding with each miserable day that passes). But before the darkness descends, you can have a good long look in the mirror and the penny might drop. Rather than grubbing around in the gutter, prodding people's worst fears and stirring up hatred, can't you give us all something that's intelligent, positive, humanitarian and founded in some sort of reality? PaulCa
  • Score: 10

8:52am Mon 12 May 14

PaulCa says...

Gary Barlow must be extremely thankful to Cameron, Miliband, Farage, Clegg et al. screaming "immigration" as he slips under the bar and escapes.

UK 2014 - where tax cheats prosper while we've all been hoodwinked into looking the other way.
Gary Barlow must be extremely thankful to Cameron, Miliband, Farage, Clegg et al. screaming "immigration" as he slips under the bar and escapes. UK 2014 - where tax cheats prosper while we've all been hoodwinked into looking the other way. PaulCa
  • Score: 6

9:30am Mon 12 May 14

Dantealighieri says...

PaulCa- Are you in favour of unlimited immagration into the UK? Forget the bile, forget your usual irrational infant school hysteria, a straight yes or no will do.
PaulCa- Are you in favour of unlimited immagration into the UK? Forget the bile, forget your usual irrational infant school hysteria, a straight yes or no will do. Dantealighieri
  • Score: -2

10:31am Mon 12 May 14

PaulCa says...

Dantealighieri wrote:
PaulCa- Are you in favour of unlimited immagration into the UK? Forget the bile, forget your usual irrational infant school hysteria, a straight yes or no will do.
Do you deserve a 'yes' or a 'no'? The answer's obvious. See above.

We've had it before and it worked.

However all the gains that our society made in the past from being genuinely welcoming and positive are now being dismantled and forgotten by rogue elements post Thatcher / Blair - vested interests who have people like you (and our UKIP friend) hoodwinked, stitched up and ready to be pushed from pillar to post as they see fit. How does it feel to be a non-seeing pawn in someone else's game of chess; just putty in their hands, bending to the will of the crooked establishment? Obediently granting your mandate like a blind nodding dog.

Well, you wouldn't know would you, as the bovine rot will have set very deep.
[quote][p][bold]Dantealighieri [/bold] wrote: PaulCa- Are you in favour of unlimited immagration into the UK? Forget the bile, forget your usual irrational infant school hysteria, a straight yes or no will do.[/p][/quote]Do you deserve a 'yes' or a 'no'? The answer's obvious. See above. We've had it before and it worked. However all the gains that our society made in the past from being genuinely welcoming and positive are now being dismantled and forgotten by rogue elements post Thatcher / Blair - vested interests who have people like you (and our UKIP friend) hoodwinked, stitched up and ready to be pushed from pillar to post as they see fit. How does it feel to be a non-seeing pawn in someone else's game of chess; just putty in their hands, bending to the will of the crooked establishment? Obediently granting your mandate like a blind nodding dog. Well, you wouldn't know would you, as the bovine rot will have set very deep. PaulCa
  • Score: 4

10:37am Mon 12 May 14

PaulCa says...

Apologies for aligning hordes of inoffensive dogs / cows, minding their own business, with sentient humans who should know better, but you get the general idea.
Apologies for aligning hordes of inoffensive dogs / cows, minding their own business, with sentient humans who should know better, but you get the general idea. PaulCa
  • Score: 4

11:23am Mon 12 May 14

Dantealighieri says...

PaulCa- So that's it then. No staight forward yes or no, and the usual infantile name calling. A very poor response and you know it. Take my advice, stick to WBC town hall office politics, and leave the important stuff to those who know something about it.
PaulCa- So that's it then. No staight forward yes or no, and the usual infantile name calling. A very poor response and you know it. Take my advice, stick to WBC town hall office politics, and leave the important stuff to those who know something about it. Dantealighieri
  • Score: -4

11:37am Mon 12 May 14

PaulCa says...

My position is implied repeatedly in plain language across all my posts, something which seems to have passed you by. But never mind your deficiencies.

Now run along, read a few more divisive "lowest common denominator" billboards to cement the message even further, buy yourself a pint and a puncture repair kit (before they get surcharged by the EU) and vote UKIP or BNP, there's a good fellow.
My position is implied repeatedly in plain language across all my posts, something which seems to have passed you by. But never mind your deficiencies. Now run along, read a few more divisive "lowest common denominator" billboards to cement the message even further, buy yourself a pint and a puncture repair kit (before they get surcharged by the EU) and vote UKIP or BNP, there's a good fellow. PaulCa
  • Score: 4

1:14pm Mon 12 May 14

rover600 says...

For the first time in my life I'm actually sickened by the three main parties and their behaviour in running our council, they are contemptible. I'd urge everyone to vote for the Green Party, I have no allegiance to them but purely to demonstrate to the arrogant main parties that we the public have had enough of their sniping, snide underhand playground politics. We the people of Wirral deserve better and even if it is for one term the shake up is effective enough to make them understand that we expect better morals, standards and total transparent honesty from them.
For the first time in my life I'm actually sickened by the three main parties and their behaviour in running our council, they are contemptible. I'd urge everyone to vote for the Green Party, I have no allegiance to them but purely to demonstrate to the arrogant main parties that we the public have had enough of their sniping, snide underhand playground politics. We the people of Wirral deserve better and even if it is for one term the shake up is effective enough to make them understand that we expect better morals, standards and total transparent honesty from them. rover600
  • Score: 7

6:43pm Mon 12 May 14

David Scott says...

rover600 wrote:
For the first time in my life I'm actually sickened by the three main parties and their behaviour in running our council, they are contemptible. I'd urge everyone to vote for the Green Party, I have no allegiance to them but purely to demonstrate to the arrogant main parties that we the public have had enough of their sniping, snide underhand playground politics. We the people of Wirral deserve better and even if it is for one term the shake up is effective enough to make them understand that we expect better morals, standards and total transparent honesty from them.
The Greens are big fans of the EU superstate, of course, and all that follows from that.
[quote][p][bold]rover600[/bold] wrote: For the first time in my life I'm actually sickened by the three main parties and their behaviour in running our council, they are contemptible. I'd urge everyone to vote for the Green Party, I have no allegiance to them but purely to demonstrate to the arrogant main parties that we the public have had enough of their sniping, snide underhand playground politics. We the people of Wirral deserve better and even if it is for one term the shake up is effective enough to make them understand that we expect better morals, standards and total transparent honesty from them.[/p][/quote]The Greens are big fans of the EU superstate, of course, and all that follows from that. David Scott
  • Score: -3

10:04am Tue 13 May 14

Dantealighieri says...

If Pat Cleary is really interested in bringing an end to food bank Britain, the assault on the poor, and fuel poverty, his party needs to stop supporting the 'green energy' policies that add over £200 pounds a year to household fuel bills.
If Pat Cleary is really interested in bringing an end to food bank Britain, the assault on the poor, and fuel poverty, his party needs to stop supporting the 'green energy' policies that add over £200 pounds a year to household fuel bills. Dantealighieri
  • Score: -2

11:45am Tue 13 May 14

rover600 says...

David Scott wrote:
rover600 wrote:
For the first time in my life I'm actually sickened by the three main parties and their behaviour in running our council, they are contemptible. I'd urge everyone to vote for the Green Party, I have no allegiance to them but purely to demonstrate to the arrogant main parties that we the public have had enough of their sniping, snide underhand playground politics. We the people of Wirral deserve better and even if it is for one term the shake up is effective enough to make them understand that we expect better morals, standards and total transparent honesty from them.
The Greens are big fans of the EU superstate, of course, and all that follows from that.
The reality is it doesn't matter what the Green party think of Europe they're not going to be in a position to do anything about it. The purpose of my post was to encourage others to send a very clear message to the incumbent, arrogant, selfishly blinkered, infighting bunch of clowns that we strongly disapprove of their current behaviour and find it totally unacceptable AND deserve better. The only 'other alternative' (UKIP) is no alternative in my view.
Unless a clear message is sent to these arrogant fools they will continue exactly as they are. NOT ACCEPTABLE.
[quote][p][bold]David Scott[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rover600[/bold] wrote: For the first time in my life I'm actually sickened by the three main parties and their behaviour in running our council, they are contemptible. I'd urge everyone to vote for the Green Party, I have no allegiance to them but purely to demonstrate to the arrogant main parties that we the public have had enough of their sniping, snide underhand playground politics. We the people of Wirral deserve better and even if it is for one term the shake up is effective enough to make them understand that we expect better morals, standards and total transparent honesty from them.[/p][/quote]The Greens are big fans of the EU superstate, of course, and all that follows from that.[/p][/quote]The reality is it doesn't matter what the Green party think of Europe they're not going to be in a position to do anything about it. The purpose of my post was to encourage others to send a very clear message to the incumbent, arrogant, selfishly blinkered, infighting bunch of clowns that we strongly disapprove of their current behaviour and find it totally unacceptable AND deserve better. The only 'other alternative' (UKIP) is no alternative in my view. Unless a clear message is sent to these arrogant fools they will continue exactly as they are. NOT ACCEPTABLE. rover600
  • Score: 4

2:22pm Tue 13 May 14

David Scott says...

"The reality is it doesn't matter what the Green party think of Europe they're not going to be in a position to do anything about it."

Collectively the Greens are very influential in the European Parliament, and locally, unless you support their policies, I can't see that voting for them is sending a "clear message".
"The reality is it doesn't matter what the Green party think of Europe they're not going to be in a position to do anything about it." Collectively the Greens are very influential in the European Parliament, and locally, unless you support their policies, I can't see that voting for them is sending a "clear message". David Scott
  • Score: 3

5:10pm Tue 13 May 14

rover600 says...

David Scott wrote:
"The reality is it doesn't matter what the Green party think of Europe they're not going to be in a position to do anything about it."

Collectively the Greens are very influential in the European Parliament, and locally, unless you support their policies, I can't see that voting for them is sending a "clear message".
What is your alternative then? if you vote for any of the incumbents no message is delivered at all you will just end up with smug arrogance from whomever gains the most votes and they'll believe their way forward is right when it is far from it.

You seem hell bent on an argument on a simple protest vote point, whatever the greens are doing collectively in Europe has zip all to do with what they can do in Wirral and that is my point. If there is an independent in my constituency for the local elections (and that is primarily where my comments are aimed NOT at the European elections) then I'd vote for them probably instead, frankly I'd vote for the Monster raving loony party if they were standing, collectively if all non-partisan voters vote in the manner I suggest the chances are the incumbents will lose their seat(s) and that is the 'clear message'.... . Unless you are part of one the BIG three incumbents surely you cannot be happy with the local representation and Punch and Judy style politics we have now? If you are (Part of the BIG three) have the decency to 'declare an interest' "I declare I have no interest to any candidate standing" I like many other globe readers are sick to the back teeth of those currently in tenure.
[quote][p][bold]David Scott[/bold] wrote: "The reality is it doesn't matter what the Green party think of Europe they're not going to be in a position to do anything about it." Collectively the Greens are very influential in the European Parliament, and locally, unless you support their policies, I can't see that voting for them is sending a "clear message".[/p][/quote]What is your alternative then? if you vote for any of the incumbents no message is delivered at all you will just end up with smug arrogance from whomever gains the most votes and they'll believe their way forward is right when it is far from it. You seem hell bent on an argument on a simple protest vote point, whatever the greens are doing collectively in Europe has zip all to do with what they can do in Wirral and that is my point. If there is an independent in my constituency for the local elections (and that is primarily where my comments are aimed NOT at the European elections) then I'd vote for them probably instead, frankly I'd vote for the Monster raving loony party if they were standing, collectively if all non-partisan voters vote in the manner I suggest the chances are the incumbents will lose their seat(s) and that is the 'clear message'.... . Unless you are part of one the BIG three incumbents surely you cannot be happy with the local representation and Punch and Judy style politics we have now? If you are (Part of the BIG three) have the decency to 'declare an interest' "I declare I have no interest to any candidate standing" I like many other globe readers are sick to the back teeth of those currently in tenure. rover600
  • Score: 3

5:22pm Tue 13 May 14

Local Govwatcher1 says...

PaulCa wrote:
A vote for UKIP would be a vote to dismantle the NHS.... which of course is not mentioned by Paul Nuttall in the nonsense above...

http://t.co/x5Ef9qEI

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Those who smear do so through fear(False Evidence Appearing Real)
[quote][p][bold]PaulCa[/bold] wrote: A vote for UKIP would be a vote to dismantle the NHS.... which of course is not mentioned by Paul Nuttall in the nonsense above... http://t.co/x5Ef9qEI aN[/p][/quote]Those who smear do so through fear(False Evidence Appearing Real) Local Govwatcher1
  • Score: -1

5:31pm Tue 13 May 14

Local Govwatcher1 says...

PaulCa wrote:
David Scott wrote:
You favour unlimited immigration it seems. Most people in this country wouldn't agree, and that applies to most countries around the world. It is nothing to do with 'fear of foreigners', just common sense.
That's a very poor response and you know it. After the war, this country was in part, rebuilt by hard working immigrants looking for a better life. Their sheer numbers helped us to be great again before the cynical Thatcherite ideological destruction of industry.

That's a fact, whereas you have no facts, just dreamt up scare tactics.

You're back ratcheting up this irrational "fear of the unknown", because it's the only approach you have. Your hollow rhetoric would have voters deserting you in a savvy, street wise, educated world and you'd be sent scurrying back under your stone. (Relax by the way.... the prospect of a new enlightenment breaking out any time soon is receding with each miserable day that passes).

But before the darkness descends, you can have a good long look in the mirror and the penny might drop. Rather than grubbing around in the gutter, prodding people's worst fears and stirring up hatred, can't you give us all something that's intelligent, positive, humanitarian and founded in some sort of reality?
Socialism is a laudable thought process but is in practice destroyed by human greed. Tony Blair is a classic case of a champagne socialist.
[quote][p][bold]PaulCa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Scott[/bold] wrote: You favour unlimited immigration it seems. Most people in this country wouldn't agree, and that applies to most countries around the world. It is nothing to do with 'fear of foreigners', just common sense.[/p][/quote]That's a very poor response and you know it. After the war, this country was in part, rebuilt by hard working immigrants looking for a better life. Their sheer numbers helped us to be great again before the cynical Thatcherite ideological destruction of industry. That's a fact, whereas you have no facts, just dreamt up scare tactics. You're back ratcheting up this irrational "fear of the unknown", because it's the only approach you have. Your hollow rhetoric would have voters deserting you in a savvy, street wise, educated world and you'd be sent scurrying back under your stone. (Relax by the way.... the prospect of a new enlightenment breaking out any time soon is receding with each miserable day that passes). But before the darkness descends, you can have a good long look in the mirror and the penny might drop. Rather than grubbing around in the gutter, prodding people's worst fears and stirring up hatred, can't you give us all something that's intelligent, positive, humanitarian and founded in some sort of reality?[/p][/quote]Socialism is a laudable thought process but is in practice destroyed by human greed. Tony Blair is a classic case of a champagne socialist. Local Govwatcher1
  • Score: 3

7:30pm Tue 13 May 14

David Scott says...

rover600 wrote:
David Scott wrote: "The reality is it doesn't matter what the Green party think of Europe they're not going to be in a position to do anything about it." Collectively the Greens are very influential in the European Parliament, and locally, unless you support their policies, I can't see that voting for them is sending a "clear message".
What is your alternative then? if you vote for any of the incumbents no message is delivered at all you will just end up with smug arrogance from whomever gains the most votes and they'll believe their way forward is right when it is far from it. You seem hell bent on an argument on a simple protest vote point, whatever the greens are doing collectively in Europe has zip all to do with what they can do in Wirral and that is my point. If there is an independent in my constituency for the local elections (and that is primarily where my comments are aimed NOT at the European elections) then I'd vote for them probably instead, frankly I'd vote for the Monster raving loony party if they were standing, collectively if all non-partisan voters vote in the manner I suggest the chances are the incumbents will lose their seat(s) and that is the 'clear message'.... . Unless you are part of one the BIG three incumbents surely you cannot be happy with the local representation and Punch and Judy style politics we have now? If you are (Part of the BIG three) have the decency to 'declare an interest' "I declare I have no interest to any candidate standing" I like many other globe readers are sick to the back teeth of those currently in tenure.
I'm just stating how I see things with the options available. I agree that the old three need to be given a miss, whatever anyone decides to do.
[quote][p][bold]rover600[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Scott[/bold] wrote: "The reality is it doesn't matter what the Green party think of Europe they're not going to be in a position to do anything about it." Collectively the Greens are very influential in the European Parliament, and locally, unless you support their policies, I can't see that voting for them is sending a "clear message".[/p][/quote]What is your alternative then? if you vote for any of the incumbents no message is delivered at all you will just end up with smug arrogance from whomever gains the most votes and they'll believe their way forward is right when it is far from it. You seem hell bent on an argument on a simple protest vote point, whatever the greens are doing collectively in Europe has zip all to do with what they can do in Wirral and that is my point. If there is an independent in my constituency for the local elections (and that is primarily where my comments are aimed NOT at the European elections) then I'd vote for them probably instead, frankly I'd vote for the Monster raving loony party if they were standing, collectively if all non-partisan voters vote in the manner I suggest the chances are the incumbents will lose their seat(s) and that is the 'clear message'.... . Unless you are part of one the BIG three incumbents surely you cannot be happy with the local representation and Punch and Judy style politics we have now? If you are (Part of the BIG three) have the decency to 'declare an interest' "I declare I have no interest to any candidate standing" I like many other globe readers are sick to the back teeth of those currently in tenure.[/p][/quote]I'm just stating how I see things with the options available. I agree that the old three need to be given a miss, whatever anyone decides to do. David Scott
  • Score: 4

7:36pm Tue 13 May 14

David Scott says...

My response to the previous post has not appeared...
I had written that I was simply stating my view about the options available. I agree that voting for the old three parties is not a good option. For myself, I certainly couldn't vote for a party that supports the EU state.
My response to the previous post has not appeared... I had written that I was simply stating my view about the options available. I agree that voting for the old three parties is not a good option. For myself, I certainly couldn't vote for a party that supports the EU state. David Scott
  • Score: 4

12:30am Wed 14 May 14

PaulCa says...

Local Govwatcher1 wrote:
PaulCa wrote:
David Scott wrote:
You favour unlimited immigration it seems. Most people in this country wouldn't agree, and that applies to most countries around the world. It is nothing to do with 'fear of foreigners', just common sense.
That's a very poor response and you know it. After the war, this country was in part, rebuilt by hard working immigrants looking for a better life. Their sheer numbers helped us to be great again before the cynical Thatcherite ideological destruction of industry.

That's a fact, whereas you have no facts, just dreamt up scare tactics.

You're back ratcheting up this irrational "fear of the unknown", because it's the only approach you have. Your hollow rhetoric would have voters deserting you in a savvy, street wise, educated world and you'd be sent scurrying back under your stone. (Relax by the way.... the prospect of a new enlightenment breaking out any time soon is receding with each miserable day that passes).

But before the darkness descends, you can have a good long look in the mirror and the penny might drop. Rather than grubbing around in the gutter, prodding people's worst fears and stirring up hatred, can't you give us all something that's intelligent, positive, humanitarian and founded in some sort of reality?
Socialism is a laudable thought process but is in practice destroyed by human greed. Tony Blair is a classic case of a champagne socialist.
Remember Adolf Hitler? He cleverly put the word 'Socialism' into his party's name to attract and dupe the masses.

Tony Blair largely appealed to disillusioned Home Counties Tories, hence the '97 landslide, the big touchy feely ideas that fell away quickly, and the subsequent treachery shown to the forefathers of the Labour movement, who were quickly spinning in their graves.

Your label of "Socialist", champagne or otherwise is laughable at best, dangerous idiocy at worst. I suggest the latter.

"Socialists", champagne or otherwise don't clamber into bed with syphilitic bankers - the way Blair and later Brown did. Bankers and by the same token, crooked corporations value, cherish and ££££££££look after the people who they can trust to protect them, while selling a lie to the populace, i.e. Tories... and they got what they wanted in spades with these two true blue Tory "Labour" traitors.

As good old Ricky Tomlinson would say, "Socialists, my A****SE".

p.s. The syphilis contracted from bankers has now run it's full course and Ed Miliband, desperate to gain back the support of leafy Gloucs, Bucks, Herts, Hants, Oxon, but currently with lower poll ratings than he had a year ago has turned as BLIND as a bat.
[quote][p][bold]Local Govwatcher1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulCa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Scott[/bold] wrote: You favour unlimited immigration it seems. Most people in this country wouldn't agree, and that applies to most countries around the world. It is nothing to do with 'fear of foreigners', just common sense.[/p][/quote]That's a very poor response and you know it. After the war, this country was in part, rebuilt by hard working immigrants looking for a better life. Their sheer numbers helped us to be great again before the cynical Thatcherite ideological destruction of industry. That's a fact, whereas you have no facts, just dreamt up scare tactics. You're back ratcheting up this irrational "fear of the unknown", because it's the only approach you have. Your hollow rhetoric would have voters deserting you in a savvy, street wise, educated world and you'd be sent scurrying back under your stone. (Relax by the way.... the prospect of a new enlightenment breaking out any time soon is receding with each miserable day that passes). But before the darkness descends, you can have a good long look in the mirror and the penny might drop. Rather than grubbing around in the gutter, prodding people's worst fears and stirring up hatred, can't you give us all something that's intelligent, positive, humanitarian and founded in some sort of reality?[/p][/quote]Socialism is a laudable thought process but is in practice destroyed by human greed. Tony Blair is a classic case of a champagne socialist.[/p][/quote]Remember Adolf Hitler? He cleverly put the word 'Socialism' into his party's name to attract and dupe the masses. Tony Blair largely appealed to disillusioned Home Counties Tories, hence the '97 landslide, the big touchy feely ideas that fell away quickly, and the subsequent treachery shown to the forefathers of the Labour movement, who were quickly spinning in their graves. Your label of "Socialist", champagne or otherwise is laughable at best, dangerous idiocy at worst. I suggest the latter. "Socialists", champagne or otherwise don't clamber into bed with syphilitic bankers - the way Blair and later Brown did. Bankers and by the same token, crooked corporations value, cherish and ££££££££look after the people who they can trust to protect them, while selling a lie to the populace, i.e. Tories... and they got what they wanted in spades with these two true blue Tory "Labour" traitors. As good old Ricky Tomlinson would say, "Socialists, my A****SE". p.s. The syphilis contracted from bankers has now run it's full course and Ed Miliband, desperate to gain back the support of leafy Gloucs, Bucks, Herts, Hants, Oxon, but currently with lower poll ratings than he had a year ago has turned as BLIND as a bat. PaulCa
  • Score: 2

12:32am Wed 14 May 14

PaulCa says...

Local Govwatcher1 wrote:
PaulCa wrote:
David Scott wrote:
You favour unlimited immigration it seems. Most people in this country wouldn't agree, and that applies to most countries around the world. It is nothing to do with 'fear of foreigners', just common sense.
That's a very poor response and you know it. After the war, this country was in part, rebuilt by hard working immigrants looking for a better life. Their sheer numbers helped us to be great again before the cynical Thatcherite ideological destruction of industry.

That's a fact, whereas you have no facts, just dreamt up scare tactics.

You're back ratcheting up this irrational "fear of the unknown", because it's the only approach you have. Your hollow rhetoric would have voters deserting you in a savvy, street wise, educated world and you'd be sent scurrying back under your stone. (Relax by the way.... the prospect of a new enlightenment breaking out any time soon is receding with each miserable day that passes).

But before the darkness descends, you can have a good long look in the mirror and the penny might drop. Rather than grubbing around in the gutter, prodding people's worst fears and stirring up hatred, can't you give us all something that's intelligent, positive, humanitarian and founded in some sort of reality?
Socialism is a laudable thought process but is in practice destroyed by human greed. Tony Blair is a classic case of a champagne socialist.
Remember Adolf Hitler? He cleverly put the word 'Socialism' into his party's name to attract and dupe the masses.

Tony Blair largely appealed to disillusioned Home Counties Tories, hence the '97 landslide, the big touchy feely ideas that fell away quickly, and the subsequent treachery shown to the forefathers of the Labour movement, who were quickly spinning in their graves.

Your label of "Socialist", champagne or otherwise is laughable at best, dangerous idiocy at worst. I suggest the latter.

"Socialists", champagne or otherwise don't clamber into bed with syphilitic bankers - the way Blair and later Brown did. Bankers and by the same token, crooked corporations value, cherish and ££££££££look after the people who they can trust to protect them, while selling a lie to the populace, i.e. Tories... and they got what they wanted in spades with these two true blue Tory "Labour" traitors.

As good old Ricky Tomlinson would say, "Socialists, my A****SE".

p.s. The syphilis contracted from bankers has now run it's full course and Ed Miliband, desperate to gain back the support of leafy Gloucs, Bucks, Herts, Hants, Oxon, but currently with lower poll ratings than he had a year ago has turned as BLIND as a bat.
[quote][p][bold]Local Govwatcher1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulCa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Scott[/bold] wrote: You favour unlimited immigration it seems. Most people in this country wouldn't agree, and that applies to most countries around the world. It is nothing to do with 'fear of foreigners', just common sense.[/p][/quote]That's a very poor response and you know it. After the war, this country was in part, rebuilt by hard working immigrants looking for a better life. Their sheer numbers helped us to be great again before the cynical Thatcherite ideological destruction of industry. That's a fact, whereas you have no facts, just dreamt up scare tactics. You're back ratcheting up this irrational "fear of the unknown", because it's the only approach you have. Your hollow rhetoric would have voters deserting you in a savvy, street wise, educated world and you'd be sent scurrying back under your stone. (Relax by the way.... the prospect of a new enlightenment breaking out any time soon is receding with each miserable day that passes). But before the darkness descends, you can have a good long look in the mirror and the penny might drop. Rather than grubbing around in the gutter, prodding people's worst fears and stirring up hatred, can't you give us all something that's intelligent, positive, humanitarian and founded in some sort of reality?[/p][/quote]Socialism is a laudable thought process but is in practice destroyed by human greed. Tony Blair is a classic case of a champagne socialist.[/p][/quote]Remember Adolf Hitler? He cleverly put the word 'Socialism' into his party's name to attract and dupe the masses. Tony Blair largely appealed to disillusioned Home Counties Tories, hence the '97 landslide, the big touchy feely ideas that fell away quickly, and the subsequent treachery shown to the forefathers of the Labour movement, who were quickly spinning in their graves. Your label of "Socialist", champagne or otherwise is laughable at best, dangerous idiocy at worst. I suggest the latter. "Socialists", champagne or otherwise don't clamber into bed with syphilitic bankers - the way Blair and later Brown did. Bankers and by the same token, crooked corporations value, cherish and ££££££££look after the people who they can trust to protect them, while selling a lie to the populace, i.e. Tories... and they got what they wanted in spades with these two true blue Tory "Labour" traitors. As good old Ricky Tomlinson would say, "Socialists, my A****SE". p.s. The syphilis contracted from bankers has now run it's full course and Ed Miliband, desperate to gain back the support of leafy Gloucs, Bucks, Herts, Hants, Oxon, but currently with lower poll ratings than he had a year ago has turned as BLIND as a bat. PaulCa
  • Score: 0

8:58am Thu 15 May 14

PaulCa says...

Time and again through history, people from all walks of life fall for this UKIP / BNP style baiting. The hate and fear has them going over the cliffs in their droves, like lemmings.

This article sums up the situation very well, across Europe.

http://www.theguardi
an.com/commentisfree
/2014/may/14/rise-of
-europe-far-right-on
ly-halted-by-populis
m-of-left?CMP=EMCNEW
EML6619I2
Time and again through history, people from all walks of life fall for this UKIP / BNP style baiting. The hate and fear has them going over the cliffs in their droves, like lemmings. This article sums up the situation very well, across Europe. http://www.theguardi an.com/commentisfree /2014/may/14/rise-of -europe-far-right-on ly-halted-by-populis m-of-left?CMP=EMCNEW EML6619I2 PaulCa
  • Score: 1

10:11am Thu 15 May 14

Dantealighieri says...

Remember Adolf Hitler? Hang on give me a minute. Ah! OK, that Adolf Hitler. He cleverly put the word "Socialist" into his party's name to attract and dupe the masses. By Jove, shiver me timbers, that's brilliant. So what your saying is, if Adolf had called his party The National Tory German Workers Party , or The National Green G.W.P, or the The National Labour G.W.P, or The National Liberal G.W.P, around 60 million people could have lived to draw their pension? Just goes to show, you need to choose your words very carefully. Still, I've always thought Socialism was a means of duping the masses. It's a politica dogma that has always attracted "useful idiots".
Remember Adolf Hitler? Hang on give me a minute. Ah! OK, that Adolf Hitler. He cleverly put the word "Socialist" into his party's name to attract and dupe the masses. By Jove, shiver me timbers, that's brilliant. So what your saying is, if Adolf had called his party The National Tory German Workers Party , or The National Green G.W.P, or the The National Labour G.W.P, or The National Liberal G.W.P, around 60 million people could have lived to draw their pension? Just goes to show, you need to choose your words very carefully. Still, I've always thought Socialism was a means of duping the masses. It's a politica dogma that has always attracted "useful idiots". Dantealighieri
  • Score: 2

11:52am Thu 15 May 14

hobroW says...

I understand that in response to an intervewntion at the Leader's Meeting, Mr Burgess wont update me personally on the Police letter ; the Grant Thornton report or the reasons for the DCLG report being delayed two months after its supposed publication.

No he will release all in "a couple of weeks" rather like Ian Coleman press released in april 2012 for the BIG fund report, or Cllr Davies in March 2013 about the same report and the ISUS report. Obviously they dont wish to report on the investigatory record of the current administration till AFTER THE ELECTIONS.

Why this should be subject to "purdah" I do not know as it is most material to the question of openness and transparency
I understand that in response to an intervewntion at the Leader's Meeting, Mr Burgess wont update me personally on the Police letter ; the Grant Thornton report or the reasons for the DCLG report being delayed two months after its supposed publication. No he will release all in "a couple of weeks" rather like Ian Coleman press released in april 2012 for the BIG fund report, or Cllr Davies in March 2013 about the same report and the ISUS report. Obviously they dont wish to report on the investigatory record of the current administration till AFTER THE ELECTIONS. Why this should be subject to "purdah" I do not know as it is most material to the question of openness and transparency hobroW
  • Score: 3

9:22pm Thu 15 May 14

Jayo says...

Its funny that the Labour party memory only goes back to May 2012. 1 year of Tory council and 20 plus years of Labour council before but its all the Tories fault eh brother Phil ?
In 2010 the working tax allowance was 7995 Now in 2014 the working tax allowance 10000 plus which party is the workers party again ??
The alleged working class party want to re- introduce the 10p tax rate amongst other slapstick policies from the dark ages and the ordinary private sector work force will see that 10000 plus tax allowance shrink to pay for it.
Its funny that the Labour party memory only goes back to May 2012. 1 year of Tory council and 20 plus years of Labour council before but its all the Tories fault eh brother Phil ? In 2010 the working tax allowance was 7995 Now in 2014 the working tax allowance 10000 plus which party is the workers party again ?? The alleged working class party want to re- introduce the 10p tax rate amongst other slapstick policies from the dark ages and the ordinary private sector work force will see that 10000 plus tax allowance shrink to pay for it. Jayo
  • Score: 1

9:03am Fri 16 May 14

groovydadad says...

It's cheap political propaganda like this from Councillor Davies that sickens me:

“When Labour won control of Wirral Council in May 2012 we inherited a £17 million overspend from the previous Tory/LibDem administration; bad debts of £10 million and poor standards of corporate governance.

Politically i'm probably to the left of Labour but there's no way I can vote Labour locally now and I find myself defending the Tory council here (not that it was brilliant either).

The Tory council was in power for less than 2 years, most of that £17 mill debt was from the previous Labour council, the same Labour council and leadership that was in charge of most of Wirral council's shamefull dealings that have come up over the years. You didn't inherit 17 mill debt Councillor Davies, the Tory's simply handed back the debt back when they were ousted on the back of similar manipulation of facts.

I remember at the time YOU complaining how the Tory council had let the Libraries run down. Er excuse me? Who was it who wanted to close all the Libraries down and slashed the budget/stock?

You all make me sick quite frankly.
It's cheap political propaganda like this from Councillor Davies that sickens me: “When Labour won control of Wirral Council in May 2012 we inherited a £17 million overspend from the previous Tory/LibDem administration; bad debts of £10 million and poor standards of corporate governance. Politically i'm probably to the left of Labour but there's no way I can vote Labour locally now and I find myself defending the Tory council here (not that it was brilliant either). The Tory council was in power for less than 2 years, most of that £17 mill debt was from the previous Labour council, the same Labour council and leadership that was in charge of most of Wirral council's shamefull dealings that have come up over the years. You didn't inherit 17 mill debt Councillor Davies, the Tory's simply handed back the debt back when they were ousted on the back of similar manipulation of facts. I remember at the time YOU complaining how the Tory council had let the Libraries run down. Er excuse me? Who was it who wanted to close all the Libraries down and slashed the budget/stock? You all make me sick quite frankly. groovydadad
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12:41pm Fri 16 May 14

hobroW says...

You cant fault the Conservatives for wanting to reduce Council tax when you know as we do now know how council taxes and grants are so shoddily wasted .
Acknowledge that Councils cant recruit the talent as they are chocked with the weeds of long-incumbent officers once lifeguards in pools, next in charge of Regeneration budgets into the millions, to quote one example of an officer now gone.

Councils who distance themselves from blame by appointing panels of outsiders with little time to discriminate and who are fed poor data.

small government at the local level please so they are large balances for entrenched officers to play at patronage.
You cant fault the Conservatives for wanting to reduce Council tax when you know as we do now know how council taxes and grants are so shoddily wasted . Acknowledge that Councils cant recruit the talent as they are chocked with the weeds of long-incumbent officers once lifeguards in pools, next in charge of Regeneration budgets into the millions, to quote one example of an officer now gone. Councils who distance themselves from blame by appointing panels of outsiders with little time to discriminate and who are fed poor data. small government at the local level please so they are large balances for entrenched officers to play at patronage. hobroW
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12:42pm Fri 16 May 14

hobroW says...

so there are not large balances

Keyboard sticks!!
so there are not large balances Keyboard sticks!! hobroW
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