Fury as cash-strapped Wirral Council spends £25,000 on new stair carpet

Fury as cash-strapped Wirral Council spends £25,000 on new stair carpet

Lyndale children pictured on the carpet-free marble staircase at Wallasey Town Hall last week as their parents fought to save the school from closure

The town hall's new carpet

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A ROW has blown up over council spending after it was disclosed a new stair carpet for Wallasey Town Hall has been fitted - at a cost of £25,000.

The eye-watering revelation came at a time when public services are being hit by severe  cuts.

And officials were blasted last year after spending £800,000 on a new staircase for the listed town hall.

They pointed out today that the carpet for the main entrance stairway has not been replaced since 1968.

But Conservative councillors are astonished by the expenditure, which they see as frivolous at a time when the authority is struggling to slash £44m from its budget.

Wallasey councillor Leah Fraser said: “This must be some kind of joke.

“I noticed the Globe carried a picture this week of Lyndale children at the town hall.

“Their mums and dads had that very evening been told their school still faces a threat of closure due to costs.

“Ironically, the children were photographed on a staircase for which £25,000 had been found to replace the carpet.

“The council preaches austerity and belt-tightening for taxpayers, while at the same time squandering their hard-earned cash on sprucing up the town hall.

“It is actually offensive.”

David Armstrong, Wirral’s head of universal and infrastructure services, said: “The council is replacing carpets in areas that are used during the wedding ceremonies that regularly take place in Wallasey town hall, following a number of complaints from attendees.

“Every year, there are around 200 such ceremonies, held on Fridays and Saturdays, raising in the region of £20,000 per year which is then reinvested.

“The carpets in these areas have been not been replaced since 1968.

“The cost of purchasing the carpet and fitting it is around £25,000, which was allocated in 2012/13’s budget.”

He said the carpet was sourced from a local firm, but fitted by a second company following the first’s winding up.

“This did not affect the overall cost of the process,” added Mr Armstrong.

More than 6,500 people have signed a petition to save Lyndale.

The council says based on current projections, the school is expected to see a funding shortfall of £70,000 for 2014/15 which "may increase in future years".

What has happened since the closure threat was first announced in December?

December 12: Wirral Council announced it was “minded” to close the school.
December 16: A petition to save the school reaches 3,000 signatures (it now has 6,428).
December 20: Parents ask the council for more time before a report is submitted to cabinet.
January 16: Wirral’s ruling cabinet agrees to consult on the closure of Lyndale.
January 21: Tory lead describes closing Lyndale as an "act of educational vandalism".
January 29: Opposition councillors “call-in” the decision and ask for it to be reviewed.

February 4:  Call-in meeting cancelled after bureaucratic bungling means council is in breach of its own constitution.
February 11: Education Secretary Michael Gove pledges his support for the school.
February 14: Wirral South MP Alison McGovern chairs a public meeting over Lyndale’s future.
February 27: Co-ordinating committee uphold cabinet’s decision in rearranged call-in meeting.

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10:12am Wed 5 Mar 14

Positive thinker says...

Iam sure they print headlines like this one to get everyone
angry
Iam sure they print headlines like this one to get everyone angry Positive thinker
  • Score: -14

10:44am Wed 5 Mar 14

Llamedos 1 says...

So you listen to prospective married couples complaining about a carpet but you ignore representations not to close a special needs school.....the mind boggles at this pathetic bunch of heartless bufoons playing party politics with vulnerable peoples lives. Wirral Clowncil is now firmly entrenched at the bottom of the greasy pole.
So you listen to prospective married couples complaining about a carpet but you ignore representations not to close a special needs school.....the mind boggles at this pathetic bunch of heartless bufoons playing party politics with vulnerable peoples lives. Wirral Clowncil is now firmly entrenched at the bottom of the greasy pole. Llamedos 1
  • Score: 23

11:00am Wed 5 Mar 14

Cheesy Peas says...

I am sure Positive thinker wishes he - or more likely she - was in charge of the headlines.
I am sure Positive thinker wishes he - or more likely she - was in charge of the headlines. Cheesy Peas
  • Score: 13

11:03am Wed 5 Mar 14

bigfoot says...

Positive thinker wrote:
Iam sure they print headlines like this one to get everyone
angry
Because you idiot it is yet another example of the 'Nero' style of this Council. Any words that I would like to use to express my feelings would probal;y have me being banned. Just to say that the money could have paid for at least 2 frontline workers.
This purchase is a pathetic narcissistic act. what next a purchase of Industrial strength Grecian 2000 for Comrade Burgesski?!
[quote][p][bold]Positive thinker[/bold] wrote: Iam sure they print headlines like this one to get everyone angry[/p][/quote]Because you idiot it is yet another example of the 'Nero' style of this Council. Any words that I would like to use to express my feelings would probal;y have me being banned. Just to say that the money could have paid for at least 2 frontline workers. This purchase is a pathetic narcissistic act. what next a purchase of Industrial strength Grecian 2000 for Comrade Burgesski?! bigfoot
  • Score: 10

1:12pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Growl Tiger says...

Did the job go out to the tendering process?

Did the person in charge of purchasing check the credentials of the first company before authorising the expenditure of our council tax on such a large order?

At what point in the purchasing process did the first company go into liquidation?

Was the order with the first company honoured in full before the company failed?

How much of the £25,000 was paid to the first company and how much to the second company?

What was the cost of the actual carpeting and how much is being allocated to fitting?

Some clarification from the department concerned would be helpful and the answers to these questions shouldn’t require a Freedom of Information request from a councillor.
Did the job go out to the tendering process? Did the person in charge of purchasing check the credentials of the first company before authorising the expenditure of our council tax on such a large order? At what point in the purchasing process did the first company go into liquidation? Was the order with the first company honoured in full before the company failed? How much of the £25,000 was paid to the first company and how much to the second company? What was the cost of the actual carpeting and how much is being allocated to fitting? Some clarification from the department concerned would be helpful and the answers to these questions shouldn’t require a Freedom of Information request from a councillor. Growl Tiger
  • Score: 15

1:46pm Wed 5 Mar 14

mickey1more says...

So can we have a breakdown of the costs then? ie. How much the carpet was? How much the underlay was? How much the cost of paying a carpet fitter was? and then finally how much the VAT was?

The council should have a receipt yes?

Truly disgusting cost considering that £25,000 would pay for 3 nurses wages for a year !
So can we have a breakdown of the costs then? ie. How much the carpet was? How much the underlay was? How much the cost of paying a carpet fitter was? and then finally how much the VAT was? The council should have a receipt yes? Truly disgusting cost considering that £25,000 would pay for 3 nurses wages for a year ! mickey1more
  • Score: 10

1:53pm Wed 5 Mar 14

rover600 says...

So wedding ceremonies contribute £20,000 a year but a carpet costs £25,000 add in cleaning, maintenance etc its a joke!

We all know items cost money but the more I read the more I am convinced there is not a negotiator employed by the Council or contracted to them. More like someone has handed out a significant sum and will end up being paid a bonus to boot.

Wake up you miserable pretentious lot!
So wedding ceremonies contribute £20,000 a year but a carpet costs £25,000 add in cleaning, maintenance etc its a joke! We all know items cost money but the more I read the more I am convinced there is not a negotiator employed by the Council or contracted to them. More like someone has handed out a significant sum and will end up being paid a bonus to boot. Wake up you miserable pretentious lot! rover600
  • Score: 7

1:55pm Wed 5 Mar 14

artemis81 says...

mickey1more wrote:
So can we have a breakdown of the costs then? ie. How much the carpet was? How much the underlay was? How much the cost of paying a carpet fitter was? and then finally how much the VAT was?

The council should have a receipt yes?

Truly disgusting cost considering that £25,000 would pay for 3 nurses wages for a year !
I think nurses earn a bit than £8,000 a year! I also don't think they're paid out of the same budget as this, so it wasn't like someone made a choice between carpets or nurses. Bloody hell, if the old carpet had been there since 1968, I think it's long overdue being replaced - I'm surprised there was anything of the old carpet left and I shudder to think what it must have smelled like!
[quote][p][bold]mickey1more[/bold] wrote: So can we have a breakdown of the costs then? ie. How much the carpet was? How much the underlay was? How much the cost of paying a carpet fitter was? and then finally how much the VAT was? The council should have a receipt yes? Truly disgusting cost considering that £25,000 would pay for 3 nurses wages for a year ![/p][/quote]I think nurses earn a bit than £8,000 a year! I also don't think they're paid out of the same budget as this, so it wasn't like someone made a choice between carpets or nurses. Bloody hell, if the old carpet had been there since 1968, I think it's long overdue being replaced - I'm surprised there was anything of the old carpet left and I shudder to think what it must have smelled like! artemis81
  • Score: -7

5:57pm Wed 5 Mar 14

water1lily says...

If the ceremony fees are not covering costs why hasn't anyone thought of putting those costs up. Is it only disabled children who have to suffer from cost cutting so the town hall can have a new staircase. How many years could £825,000 have kept Lyndale School open.
If the ceremony fees are not covering costs why hasn't anyone thought of putting those costs up. Is it only disabled children who have to suffer from cost cutting so the town hall can have a new staircase. How many years could £825,000 have kept Lyndale School open. water1lily
  • Score: 8

6:36pm Wed 5 Mar 14

piermaster says...

Dont replace it! lets just spend out more taxpayers money to some "no win no fee" jockey as a result of someone putting in a claim who was on the stairwell for whatever reason in reasonable capacity!
Please dont forget it is a public building and as such they have to ensure its fit for purpose!!

Sorry if this upsets folks but thats the reality of the situation.
Dont replace it! lets just spend out more taxpayers money to some "no win no fee" jockey as a result of someone putting in a claim who was on the stairwell for whatever reason in reasonable capacity! Please dont forget it is a public building and as such they have to ensure its fit for purpose!! Sorry if this upsets folks but thats the reality of the situation. piermaster
  • Score: 3

6:37pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Dave J1608 says...

Is anyone really surprised? The Councillors could all take a small % cut in the expenses they get for attending meetings in which they have no interest or experience to contribute. Maybe one day they will wake up and think about doing something for the people and not for themselves.
Is anyone really surprised? The Councillors could all take a small % cut in the expenses they get for attending meetings in which they have no interest or experience to contribute. Maybe one day they will wake up and think about doing something for the people and not for themselves. Dave J1608
  • Score: 11

7:15pm Wed 5 Mar 14

spamfiend says...

If there has been replacement carpet since 1968, one has to ask why the need to replace it now. Wirral chiefs are digging a hole for themselves and as soon as they want us to fill it in with them in it, just let us know. Just make it 6ft or so deep!
If there has been replacement carpet since 1968, one has to ask why the need to replace it now. Wirral chiefs are digging a hole for themselves and as soon as they want us to fill it in with them in it, just let us know. Just make it 6ft or so deep! spamfiend
  • Score: 4

7:18pm Wed 5 Mar 14

ballacrain says...

I observed on Tuesday morning while waiting for a bus outside the Brighton Hotel,several double glazed window panes being off loaded from a unmarked van,these seemed to be going into the Town Hall via the small door.
I wonder how much we paid for these, one can bet they did go for fit then fit one free offer from that company.Fire escapes,carpets, new offices, wonder if a new executive loo has been installed

Ballacrain
I observed on Tuesday morning while waiting for a bus outside the Brighton Hotel,several double glazed window panes being off loaded from a unmarked van,these seemed to be going into the Town Hall via the small door. I wonder how much we paid for these, one can bet they did go for fit then fit one free offer from that company.Fire escapes,carpets, new offices, wonder if a new executive loo has been installed Ballacrain ballacrain
  • Score: 5

7:22pm Wed 5 Mar 14

benny07 says...

THEY SHOULD HAVE GOT TAFFEYS ON LAIRD ST ,THEY WOULD HAVE GIVEN THIS LABOUR COUNCIL & CLLRS A 75% DISCOUNT,BUT HEY WHY BOTHER ,AFTER ALL ITS NOT THERE CASH ,ISIT,& CLEARLY SHOWS A TOTAL DISREGARD FOR THE COUNCIL TAX PAYERS OF WIRRAL.!!AGAIN.!!
THEY SHOULD HAVE GOT TAFFEYS ON LAIRD ST ,THEY WOULD HAVE GIVEN THIS LABOUR COUNCIL & CLLRS A 75% DISCOUNT,BUT HEY WHY BOTHER ,AFTER ALL ITS NOT THERE CASH ,ISIT,& CLEARLY SHOWS A TOTAL DISREGARD FOR THE COUNCIL TAX PAYERS OF WIRRAL.!!AGAIN.!! benny07
  • Score: 6

7:49pm Wed 5 Mar 14

hobroW says...

Hang on -West Kirby marina..first contractor went bust...D Armstrong reassures public that no extra costs on over £1m contract

Groundhog day
Hang on -West Kirby marina..first contractor went bust...D Armstrong reassures public that no extra costs on over £1m contract Groundhog day hobroW
  • Score: 7

8:36pm Wed 5 Mar 14

keen gardener says...

I suspect this headline will be "Updated" as soon as the MBW PR Dept are aware of the number of negative comments. Who is playing the tune? Wirral Globe or MBW? Watch this space.....unless, of course, it is deleted!!
I suspect this headline will be "Updated" as soon as the MBW PR Dept are aware of the number of negative comments. Who is playing the tune? Wirral Globe or MBW? Watch this space.....unless, of course, it is deleted!! keen gardener
  • Score: 4

8:41pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Cloud 23 says...

spamfiend wrote:
If there has been replacement carpet since 1968, one has to ask why the need to replace it now. Wirral chiefs are digging a hole for themselves and as soon as they want us to fill it in with them in it, just let us know. Just make it 6ft or so deep!
Congratulations for most ridiculous post of the lot! It was 46 years old!! Do you seriously believe its unjustified replacing it?!
[quote][p][bold]spamfiend[/bold] wrote: If there has been replacement carpet since 1968, one has to ask why the need to replace it now. Wirral chiefs are digging a hole for themselves and as soon as they want us to fill it in with them in it, just let us know. Just make it 6ft or so deep![/p][/quote]Congratulations for most ridiculous post of the lot! It was 46 years old!! Do you seriously believe its unjustified replacing it?! Cloud 23
  • Score: -9

10:37pm Wed 5 Mar 14

mickey1more says...

artemis81 wrote:
mickey1more wrote:
So can we have a breakdown of the costs then? ie. How much the carpet was? How much the underlay was? How much the cost of paying a carpet fitter was? and then finally how much the VAT was?

The council should have a receipt yes?

Truly disgusting cost considering that £25,000 would pay for 3 nurses wages for a year !
I think nurses earn a bit than £8,000 a year! I also don't think they're paid out of the same budget as this, so it wasn't like someone made a choice between carpets or nurses. Bloody hell, if the old carpet had been there since 1968, I think it's long overdue being replaced - I'm surprised there was anything of the old carpet left and I shudder to think what it must have smelled like!
Even two nurses salary! you get my point?
[quote][p][bold]artemis81[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey1more[/bold] wrote: So can we have a breakdown of the costs then? ie. How much the carpet was? How much the underlay was? How much the cost of paying a carpet fitter was? and then finally how much the VAT was? The council should have a receipt yes? Truly disgusting cost considering that £25,000 would pay for 3 nurses wages for a year ![/p][/quote]I think nurses earn a bit than £8,000 a year! I also don't think they're paid out of the same budget as this, so it wasn't like someone made a choice between carpets or nurses. Bloody hell, if the old carpet had been there since 1968, I think it's long overdue being replaced - I'm surprised there was anything of the old carpet left and I shudder to think what it must have smelled like![/p][/quote]Even two nurses salary! you get my point? mickey1more
  • Score: 1

8:22am Thu 6 Mar 14

JohnON says...

Cloud 23 wrote:
spamfiend wrote:
If there has been replacement carpet since 1968, one has to ask why the need to replace it now. Wirral chiefs are digging a hole for themselves and as soon as they want us to fill it in with them in it, just let us know. Just make it 6ft or so deep!
Congratulations for most ridiculous post of the lot! It was 46 years old!! Do you seriously believe its unjustified replacing it?!
Well,if it's lasted 46 years, surely it could last another few - without any carpet at all if it was deemed unsafe..

It's the TIMING that sucks. This council seems to have no problem at all finding money (our money) to spend on itself while it's cutting services to the rest of us left, right and centre.

Not only is it fairly transparent to most of us that they don't give a toss about what we think, they seem to get some sort of perverse pleasure in deliberately rubbing us up the wrong way.
[quote][p][bold]Cloud 23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spamfiend[/bold] wrote: If there has been replacement carpet since 1968, one has to ask why the need to replace it now. Wirral chiefs are digging a hole for themselves and as soon as they want us to fill it in with them in it, just let us know. Just make it 6ft or so deep![/p][/quote]Congratulations for most ridiculous post of the lot! It was 46 years old!! Do you seriously believe its unjustified replacing it?![/p][/quote]Well,if it's lasted 46 years, surely it could last another few - without any carpet at all if it was deemed unsafe.. It's the TIMING that sucks. This council seems to have no problem at all finding money (our money) to spend on itself while it's cutting services to the rest of us left, right and centre. Not only is it fairly transparent to most of us that they don't give a toss about what we think, they seem to get some sort of perverse pleasure in deliberately rubbing us up the wrong way. JohnON
  • Score: 9

9:37am Thu 6 Mar 14

keith3028 says...

When oh when are our representatives in the Council going to see the error of their ways.
They stumble from disaster to disaster (the latest being their support of the 'independent' Chamber of Commerce run by ex-Council employees).
Someone has to have the guts to say "enough is enough" and their recent dealings have to be looked at in depth.
If the Chief Executive of the Council can't see what's happening, maybe its about time our MP's took the Council to task and demanded an independent enquiry. Rotten Boroughs in the 18th & 19th Century.......
nothings changed then.
When oh when are our representatives in the Council going to see the error of their ways. They stumble from disaster to disaster (the latest being their support of the 'independent' Chamber of Commerce run by ex-Council employees). Someone has to have the guts to say "enough is enough" and their recent dealings have to be looked at in depth. If the Chief Executive of the Council can't see what's happening, maybe its about time our MP's took the Council to task and demanded an independent enquiry. Rotten Boroughs in the 18th & 19th Century....... nothings changed then. keith3028
  • Score: 6

10:02am Thu 6 Mar 14

JohnON says...

"When oh when are our representatives in the Council going to see the error of their ways."

Perhaps when the majority of people on Wirral withhold their council tax and the gravy train grinds to a halt. But we all know, that ain't going to happen.
"When oh when are our representatives in the Council going to see the error of their ways." Perhaps when the majority of people on Wirral withhold their council tax and the gravy train grinds to a halt. But we all know, that ain't going to happen. JohnON
  • Score: 3

12:11pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Joeblogg85 says...

£25,000 does seem an awful lot of money for a carpet. Maybe it's a Magic one!
£25,000 does seem an awful lot of money for a carpet. Maybe it's a Magic one! Joeblogg85
  • Score: 4

12:43pm Thu 6 Mar 14

sonoferic says...

Can the complainers on here honestly say they've had the same carpet in their own homes since 1968?!

I agree it's bad timing, but the fact is buildings and their furnishings do require maintenance from time to time. Listed buildings in particular. You can't just throw a cheap roll-end down.

If someone had tripped on the old frayed carpet, how much would that have cost us? If couples stop going there to get married because it looks like a cr*phole, how much would that cost us?
Can the complainers on here honestly say they've had the same carpet in their own homes since 1968?! I agree it's bad timing, but the fact is buildings and their furnishings do require maintenance from time to time. Listed buildings in particular. You can't just throw a cheap roll-end down. If someone had tripped on the old frayed carpet, how much would that have cost us? If couples stop going there to get married because it looks like a cr*phole, how much would that cost us? sonoferic
  • Score: -2

1:53pm Thu 6 Mar 14

hobroW says...

keith3028 wrote:
When oh when are our representatives in the Council going to see the error of their ways.
They stumble from disaster to disaster (the latest being their support of the 'independent' Chamber of Commerce run by ex-Council employees).
Someone has to have the guts to say "enough is enough" and their recent dealings have to be looked at in depth.
If the Chief Executive of the Council can't see what's happening, maybe its about time our MP's took the Council to task and demanded an independent enquiry. Rotten Boroughs in the 18th & 19th Century.......
nothings changed then.
And I should again add that the self-same ex-Council employees who run the Chamber were closely associated with the BIG fiasco. They left after the BIG report was published some 4 months after it was rendered to the Council.
There was no press release heralding the publication of this BIG report (cost £25K) but readers may find it lodged at the bottom of the Full Council papers of July 2013. Beware the section starting Company1 etc as that is the WBC speaking-most people don't read Grant Thornton's disclaimer

In a couple of weeks we will have the ISUS report from DCLG, and perhaps we can have the report of Grant Thornton on Working wirral (cost £25k) rendered to the council one year ago and one that the CEO is "gagging" to publish....bravely again?
[quote][p][bold]keith3028[/bold] wrote: When oh when are our representatives in the Council going to see the error of their ways. They stumble from disaster to disaster (the latest being their support of the 'independent' Chamber of Commerce run by ex-Council employees). Someone has to have the guts to say "enough is enough" and their recent dealings have to be looked at in depth. If the Chief Executive of the Council can't see what's happening, maybe its about time our MP's took the Council to task and demanded an independent enquiry. Rotten Boroughs in the 18th & 19th Century....... nothings changed then.[/p][/quote]And I should again add that the self-same ex-Council employees who run the Chamber were closely associated with the BIG fiasco. They left after the BIG report was published some 4 months after it was rendered to the Council. There was no press release heralding the publication of this BIG report (cost £25K) but readers may find it lodged at the bottom of the Full Council papers of July 2013. Beware the section starting Company1 etc as that is the WBC speaking-most people don't read Grant Thornton's disclaimer In a couple of weeks we will have the ISUS report from DCLG, and perhaps we can have the report of Grant Thornton on Working wirral (cost £25k) rendered to the council one year ago and one that the CEO is "gagging" to publish....bravely again? hobroW
  • Score: 4

4:56pm Thu 6 Mar 14

WirralAl says...

Yet again when the Town Hall wants money it is never an issue. Better to waste OUR money on what THEY want to have. I am all right Jack policy
Yet again when the Town Hall wants money it is never an issue. Better to waste OUR money on what THEY want to have. I am all right Jack policy WirralAl
  • Score: 2

5:08pm Thu 6 Mar 14

keen gardener says...

Quote:“The cost of purchasing the carpet and fitting it is around £25,000, which was allocated in 2012/13’s budget.”

He said the carpet was sourced from a local firm, but fitted by a second company following the first’s winding up.

“This did not affect the overall cost of the process,” added Mr Armstrong.

Have had a thought on this one! Surely purchasing an item (carpet or otherwise) of this value the job should have gone out to Tender which includes checking the financial background of the company that submits the successful bid. Hmmm!!!!!
Quote:“The cost of purchasing the carpet and fitting it is around £25,000, which was allocated in 2012/13’s budget.” He said the carpet was sourced from a local firm, but fitted by a second company following the first’s winding up. “This did not affect the overall cost of the process,” added Mr Armstrong. Have had a thought on this one! Surely purchasing an item (carpet or otherwise) of this value the job should have gone out to Tender which includes checking the financial background of the company that submits the successful bid. Hmmm!!!!! keen gardener
  • Score: 2

6:15pm Thu 6 Mar 14

benny07 says...

DONT FORGET, THE COUNCIL MUST SPEND £ 4 MILLION ON TREES BEFORE THE 1 OF APRIL,2014,OR THEY LOSE THE GRANT & THAT MEANS THE LOCAL COUNCIL TAX PAYER,YES YOU & ME WILL HAVE TO PICK UP THE ,LABOUR TAB AGAIN, THIS TREE PLANTING FIASCO STARTED FAR TO LATE TO COMPLETE THE JOB IN TIME,!!,.
DONT FORGET, THE COUNCIL MUST SPEND £ 4 MILLION ON TREES BEFORE THE 1 OF APRIL,2014,OR THEY LOSE THE GRANT & THAT MEANS THE LOCAL COUNCIL TAX PAYER,YES YOU & ME WILL HAVE TO PICK UP THE ,LABOUR TAB AGAIN, THIS TREE PLANTING FIASCO STARTED FAR TO LATE TO COMPLETE THE JOB IN TIME,!!,. benny07
  • Score: 2

6:53pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Mojo68 says...

Ok this is how I see it......the carpet needed replacing, it's been down since 1968 so probably threadbare in parts and possibly hazardous, that's fair enough BUT being someone that knows about carpets and flooring i'm 100% sure they could have had a new carpet fitted on the stairs for a fraction of the cost and I don't mean some cheap felt backed domestic carpet that would last a couple of years, I mean a very heavy duty contract type carpet that doesn't require underlay. My child attends the Lyndale School and personally feel that their decision to spend so much on a carpet is a kick in the teeth for our children.
Ok this is how I see it......the carpet needed replacing, it's been down since 1968 so probably threadbare in parts and possibly hazardous, that's fair enough BUT being someone that knows about carpets and flooring i'm 100% sure they could have had a new carpet fitted on the stairs for a fraction of the cost and I don't mean some cheap felt backed domestic carpet that would last a couple of years, I mean a very heavy duty contract type carpet that doesn't require underlay. My child attends the Lyndale School and personally feel that their decision to spend so much on a carpet is a kick in the teeth for our children. Mojo68
  • Score: 7

7:29pm Thu 6 Mar 14

David Scott says...

One thing for sure is that in public bodies looking for sensible economies, even when 'cuts' are all about, is not cool..
One thing for sure is that in public bodies looking for sensible economies, even when 'cuts' are all about, is not cool.. David Scott
  • Score: 3

11:27pm Sat 8 Mar 14

merseymal says...

"water1lily says...

If the ceremony fees are not covering costs why hasn't anyone thought of putting those costs up."

Not covering the costs?!

You do realise that the ceremony fees raise £20K ANNUALLY and the carpet is costing a ONE OFF £25K? Over 2 years alone the ceremonies will be bring in £15K more than the cost of that carpet!
"water1lily says... If the ceremony fees are not covering costs why hasn't anyone thought of putting those costs up." Not covering the costs?! You do realise that the ceremony fees raise £20K ANNUALLY and the carpet is costing a ONE OFF £25K? Over 2 years alone the ceremonies will be bring in £15K more than the cost of that carpet! merseymal
  • Score: 0

2:42am Sun 9 Mar 14

water1lily says...

Is the £20k before or after salaries etc of those officiating plus heating and cleaning costs for ceremonies etc are taken into account?
Is the £20k before or after salaries etc of those officiating plus heating and cleaning costs for ceremonies etc are taken into account? water1lily
  • Score: 3

10:15am Sun 9 Mar 14

hobroW says...

Waterlily is right it cannot be just about wedding fees. I am sure that the wedding ceremonies will run at breakeven , even at a loss. It is not a private enterprise after all.

The disturbing aspect is the manner in which Mr Armstrong now, and he and othersh in the past, throw any o;ld red herring into the barrel. It smacks of a contempt for the electorate as does the officers past and mayhap present treatment of councillors. Invilability gives them courage to say or do almost whatever they want.

The present administration believed buying off the past directors with £800k was cheaper than going through Industrial Tribunals. Yes. cheaper but analagous to the Good Friday process where bad deeds are rewarded with cash, thereby encouraging future terrorism. Officers do bad...get cash...no disciplinary process...future officers will observe and behave accordingly.

That is why the rationale for the carpet is a throwaway comment that speaks volumes.
Waterlily is right it cannot be just about wedding fees. I am sure that the wedding ceremonies will run at breakeven , even at a loss. It is not a private enterprise after all. The disturbing aspect is the manner in which Mr Armstrong now, and he and othersh in the past, throw any o;ld red herring into the barrel. It smacks of a contempt for the electorate as does the officers past and mayhap present treatment of councillors. Invilability gives them courage to say or do almost whatever they want. The present administration believed buying off the past directors with £800k was cheaper than going through Industrial Tribunals. Yes. cheaper but analagous to the Good Friday process where bad deeds are rewarded with cash, thereby encouraging future terrorism. Officers do bad...get cash...no disciplinary process...future officers will observe and behave accordingly. That is why the rationale for the carpet is a throwaway comment that speaks volumes. hobroW
  • Score: 3

3:35pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Growl Tiger says...

In a totally separate article Cllr Davies states “Wirral Council has a responsibility to protect public money”. In the interests of transparency perhaps he should have continued “except when it comes to large payouts to departing officers, compensation to officers who have hurt feelings, holidays to China, staircases to heaven, refurbishment of executive suites, payments to consultants for reports that never see the light of day and expensive stair carpets”.

For the life of me I cannot see how any of that expenditure is showing protection towards public money.
In a totally separate article Cllr Davies states “Wirral Council has a responsibility to protect public money”. In the interests of transparency perhaps he should have continued “except when it comes to large payouts to departing officers, compensation to officers who have hurt feelings, holidays to China, staircases to heaven, refurbishment of executive suites, payments to consultants for reports that never see the light of day and expensive stair carpets”. For the life of me I cannot see how any of that expenditure is showing protection towards public money. Growl Tiger
  • Score: 6

5:00pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Growl Tiger says...

To my posting above please add REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS as I have heard today that contractors vans have been parked outside the town hall and windows are being changed. No doubt the PR on this will be that the new ones will save on heating bills. Maybe they will, but is this essential expenditure?
To my posting above please add REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS as I have heard today that contractors vans have been parked outside the town hall and windows are being changed. No doubt the PR on this will be that the new ones will save on heating bills. Maybe they will, but is this essential expenditure? Growl Tiger
  • Score: 3

9:15pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Joeblogg85 says...

Growl Tiger wrote:
To my posting above please add REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS as I have heard today that contractors vans have been parked outside the town hall and windows are being changed. No doubt the PR on this will be that the new ones will save on heating bills. Maybe they will, but is this essential expenditure?
They have not been replaced since 1968 ;-/
[quote][p][bold]Growl Tiger[/bold] wrote: To my posting above please add REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS as I have heard today that contractors vans have been parked outside the town hall and windows are being changed. No doubt the PR on this will be that the new ones will save on heating bills. Maybe they will, but is this essential expenditure?[/p][/quote]They have not been replaced since 1968 ;-/ Joeblogg85
  • Score: 1

8:28am Mon 10 Mar 14

hobroW says...

water1lily wrote:
Is the £20k before or after salaries etc of those officiating plus heating and cleaning costs for ceremonies etc are taken into account?
if you compare numbers of weddings quoted by D Armstrong , then look on WBC site to see ceremonies cost between £85 -£133 you might get impression that the £20k is gross before all expenses.

We might never find out as we remain wolves circling the clearing where the fire burns brightly for officers . Choice is simple become a domesticated dog and bask in the ruddy glow or forever be banished to the dark woods.
[quote][p][bold]water1lily[/bold] wrote: Is the £20k before or after salaries etc of those officiating plus heating and cleaning costs for ceremonies etc are taken into account?[/p][/quote]if you compare numbers of weddings quoted by D Armstrong , then look on WBC site to see ceremonies cost between £85 -£133 you might get impression that the £20k is gross before all expenses. We might never find out as we remain wolves circling the clearing where the fire burns brightly for officers . Choice is simple become a domesticated dog and bask in the ruddy glow or forever be banished to the dark woods. hobroW
  • Score: 1

1:06pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Joeblogg85 says...

hobroW wrote:
water1lily wrote:
Is the £20k before or after salaries etc of those officiating plus heating and cleaning costs for ceremonies etc are taken into account?
if you compare numbers of weddings quoted by D Armstrong , then look on WBC site to see ceremonies cost between £85 -£133 you might get impression that the £20k is gross before all expenses.

We might never find out as we remain wolves circling the clearing where the fire burns brightly for officers . Choice is simple become a domesticated dog and bask in the ruddy glow or forever be banished to the dark woods.
All the junior officers know that if you cross certain senior officers high up in Wirral Council then it is the inevitable long grass for you and never to be seen again. This can be for merely just having an opposite opinion or to professionally challenge a decision etc. You end up just being a puppet that is not allowed an opinion on anything and just does as ordered. It's so destructive.
[quote][p][bold]hobroW[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]water1lily[/bold] wrote: Is the £20k before or after salaries etc of those officiating plus heating and cleaning costs for ceremonies etc are taken into account?[/p][/quote]if you compare numbers of weddings quoted by D Armstrong , then look on WBC site to see ceremonies cost between £85 -£133 you might get impression that the £20k is gross before all expenses. We might never find out as we remain wolves circling the clearing where the fire burns brightly for officers . Choice is simple become a domesticated dog and bask in the ruddy glow or forever be banished to the dark woods.[/p][/quote]All the junior officers know that if you cross certain senior officers high up in Wirral Council then it is the inevitable long grass for you and never to be seen again. This can be for merely just having an opposite opinion or to professionally challenge a decision etc. You end up just being a puppet that is not allowed an opinion on anything and just does as ordered. It's so destructive. Joeblogg85
  • Score: 5

8:22am Tue 11 Mar 14

Hugo1008 says...

What do people expect from the likes of Davies and Foulkes the famous double act that have led this pathetic bunch of self interested so called Cabinet through out all that has befallen Wirral Borough Council over the past two decades.

In a couple of months you the public will get a chance to cast your opinion in the ballet box, use and use it with feeling, if you want more of the same then elect the same bunch of parasites, otherwise PICK a NEW FACE, they cannot be any worse than what you have now.
What do people expect from the likes of Davies and Foulkes the famous double act that have led this pathetic bunch of self interested so called Cabinet through out all that has befallen Wirral Borough Council over the past two decades. In a couple of months you the public will get a chance to cast your opinion in the ballet box, use and use it with feeling, if you want more of the same then elect the same bunch of parasites, otherwise PICK a NEW FACE, they cannot be any worse than what you have now. Hugo1008
  • Score: 2

9:15am Tue 11 Mar 14

hobroW says...

Joeblogg85 wrote:
hobroW wrote:
water1lily wrote:
Is the £20k before or after salaries etc of those officiating plus heating and cleaning costs for ceremonies etc are taken into account?
if you compare numbers of weddings quoted by D Armstrong , then look on WBC site to see ceremonies cost between £85 -£133 you might get impression that the £20k is gross before all expenses.

We might never find out as we remain wolves circling the clearing where the fire burns brightly for officers . Choice is simple become a domesticated dog and bask in the ruddy glow or forever be banished to the dark woods.
All the junior officers know that if you cross certain senior officers high up in Wirral Council then it is the inevitable long grass for you and never to be seen again. This can be for merely just having an opposite opinion or to professionally challenge a decision etc. You end up just being a puppet that is not allowed an opinion on anything and just does as ordered. It's so destructive.
Yes it is clearly "Working towards the Fuhrer" syndrome(Ian Kershaw "Hubris") in the ranks of WBC.
Having heard of spats between high-ranking officers conducted without dignity before subcontractors, having attended meetings myself with such officers where advice is rudely ignored, where the discussions are centred on "moonlighting" jobs, where patently the officers do not understand base principles, one understands that to be a "golden peacock" is to be inviolable.

My loyalty is my honour! ands look where that led to in 1939!!
[quote][p][bold]Joeblogg85[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hobroW[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]water1lily[/bold] wrote: Is the £20k before or after salaries etc of those officiating plus heating and cleaning costs for ceremonies etc are taken into account?[/p][/quote]if you compare numbers of weddings quoted by D Armstrong , then look on WBC site to see ceremonies cost between £85 -£133 you might get impression that the £20k is gross before all expenses. We might never find out as we remain wolves circling the clearing where the fire burns brightly for officers . Choice is simple become a domesticated dog and bask in the ruddy glow or forever be banished to the dark woods.[/p][/quote]All the junior officers know that if you cross certain senior officers high up in Wirral Council then it is the inevitable long grass for you and never to be seen again. This can be for merely just having an opposite opinion or to professionally challenge a decision etc. You end up just being a puppet that is not allowed an opinion on anything and just does as ordered. It's so destructive.[/p][/quote]Yes it is clearly "Working towards the Fuhrer" syndrome(Ian Kershaw "Hubris") in the ranks of WBC. Having heard of spats between high-ranking officers conducted without dignity before subcontractors, having attended meetings myself with such officers where advice is rudely ignored, where the discussions are centred on "moonlighting" jobs, where patently the officers do not understand base principles, one understands that to be a "golden peacock" is to be inviolable. My loyalty is my honour! ands look where that led to in 1939!! hobroW
  • Score: 2

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