Councillors demand Wirral drivers should be given free journeys through Mersey Tunnels

Councillors demand Wirral drivers should be given free journeys through Mersey Tunnels

Councillors demand Wirral drivers should be given free journeys through Mersey Tunnels

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WIRRAL people should be allowed up to 300 free journeys a year through the Mersey Tunnels.

That’s the demand to be put to next week’s meeting of the full Wirral Council, which also will be asked to set up an urgent meeting with Merseytravel bosses to discuss the idea.

The public travel organisation’s budget board agreed a 10p hike in tunnel tolls last month, which town hall Conservatives say is an unfair burden on the borough’s motorists.

In a notice of motion, they say discount schemes and free crossings for local residents already exist in other parts of the country on toll routes.

Tories believe regular tunnel users should be “rewarded” with a discount scheme similar to that announced for the Mersey Gateway Bridge at Runcorn, with up to 300 free journeys per year.

The notice by Cllr Les Rowlands  goes on to request the leader of the council and chief executive write to the director general of Merseytravel requesting an urgent meeting.

Councillor Rowlands said if tunnel tolls cannot be abolished, a local-user discount scheme should urgently be considered“to ease the burden on the hard-pressed motorists of Wirral.”

All Wirral members of the Merseytravel board voted against the increase in February.

The Tory demand for reduced tolls for local people echoes a call made by Wirral Merseytravel delegate and former Labour leader Cllr Steve Foulkes, who pressed for discounts to be introduced.

However, chairman Cllr Liam Robinson said at the time: "It is important to view the tunnels as an integrated part of the region's transport network.

"The 10p increase is proportionate and, on balance, is the best decision we can take in very difficult circumstances at this moment.”

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5:09pm Tue 4 Mar 14

bigfoot says...

They can do these schemes 'darn sarth' eg Dartford crossing, so why not 'oop North'?
They can do these schemes 'darn sarth' eg Dartford crossing, so why not 'oop North'? bigfoot
  • Score: 10

8:42pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Positive thinker says...

What a load of crap,I can really see that happening
What a load of crap,I can really see that happening Positive thinker
  • Score: -3

8:43pm Tue 4 Mar 14

PaulCa says...

We're a captive audience at the mercy of a self justifying clique of chancers and bureaucrats who need not exist. Desirous of attention, power and a reason for being, they talk and they meddle and they court popularity and VOTES with ridiculous, pie in the sky suggestions - see Foulkes.

We've become a ready, reliable source of easy income. A sitting duck. Power is naturally abused under the guise of "looking out for the public" and we get clobbered unfairly. Much of our cash gets funnelled through into the deep pockets of ALL of these money grubbing swine and the whole thing becomes a self fulfilling cycle. And before you know it those plump, well upholstered backsides are serving only to polish the chairs around the Merseytravel high table.

Come the revolution the Foulkeses of this world will be stuffed and mounted in booths lining the approaches to the People's Free Tunnels as a visual deterrent to future greed, abuse and thievery.
We're a captive audience at the mercy of a self justifying clique of chancers and bureaucrats who need not exist. Desirous of attention, power and a reason for being, they talk and they meddle and they court popularity and VOTES with ridiculous, pie in the sky suggestions - see Foulkes. We've become a ready, reliable source of easy income. A sitting duck. Power is naturally abused under the guise of "looking out for the public" and we get clobbered unfairly. Much of our cash gets funnelled through into the deep pockets of ALL of these money grubbing swine and the whole thing becomes a self fulfilling cycle. And before you know it those plump, well upholstered backsides are serving only to polish the chairs around the Merseytravel high table. Come the revolution the Foulkeses of this world will be stuffed and mounted in booths lining the approaches to the People's Free Tunnels as a visual deterrent to future greed, abuse and thievery. PaulCa
  • Score: 10

9:02am Wed 5 Mar 14

yesandorno says...

tunnel should be cheaper or free , if only to tempt some from liverpool to come over here to spend some money (and might have the side effect of providing a daytrip destination for tourists ... again)

but also ....i find it amusing that a place so desperate to lose its association with liverpool that they will campaign to have the post code changed in order to pretend they live in cheshire ,are also so desperate to visit and work in the place they wanted to have nothing to do with.
tunnel should be cheaper or free , if only to tempt some from liverpool to come over here to spend some money (and might have the side effect of providing a daytrip destination for tourists ... again) but also ....i find it amusing that a place so desperate to lose its association with liverpool that they will campaign to have the post code changed in order to pretend they live in cheshire ,are also so desperate to visit and work in the place they wanted to have nothing to do with. yesandorno
  • Score: 2

9:20am Wed 5 Mar 14

David Scott says...

The tunnel tolls are certainly hitting Wirral's economy and need to go. A number of free journeys for residents will make little or no difference.
The tunnel tolls are certainly hitting Wirral's economy and need to go. A number of free journeys for residents will make little or no difference. David Scott
  • Score: 7

12:37pm Wed 5 Mar 14

sonoferic says...

yesandorno wrote:
tunnel should be cheaper or free , if only to tempt some from liverpool to come over here to spend some money (and might have the side effect of providing a daytrip destination for tourists ... again) but also ....i find it amusing that a place so desperate to lose its association with liverpool that they will campaign to have the post code changed in order to pretend they live in cheshire ,are also so desperate to visit and work in the place they wanted to have nothing to do with.
Slightly off topic, but this is a common mistake made by people round these parts. Administartive boundaries don't relate to postcodes. It's CH because our post gets sorted in Chester. Nothing to do with Cheshire at all.
[quote][p][bold]yesandorno[/bold] wrote: tunnel should be cheaper or free , if only to tempt some from liverpool to come over here to spend some money (and might have the side effect of providing a daytrip destination for tourists ... again) but also ....i find it amusing that a place so desperate to lose its association with liverpool that they will campaign to have the post code changed in order to pretend they live in cheshire ,are also so desperate to visit and work in the place they wanted to have nothing to do with.[/p][/quote]Slightly off topic, but this is a common mistake made by people round these parts. Administartive boundaries don't relate to postcodes. It's CH because our post gets sorted in Chester. Nothing to do with Cheshire at all. sonoferic
  • Score: 13

1:37pm Wed 5 Mar 14

rover600 says...

It is sickening that Merseytravel pull millions out of the profits of this to (their excuse) to subsidise uneconomic rural bus routes meanwhile leaving the tunnels in debt! Well, I've got news for them, every county in the country has uneconomic rural bus routes but probably only four or five counties have toll bridges or tunnels, the others cope without pulling funding out for measly excuses.
The bottom line here is Wirral motorists/commuters are being held to ransom daily by a monopoly that's also a beaurocracy too. The tunnels should be in the hands of separate organisation IF tolls have to be charged with strict rules over the costs of employees and their permissible expenses and they should be run on a not for profit basis. Yes by all means have a 'small' contingency cash reserve and then as 'unforeseen events' come along pay for them out of this fund. I suspect given the revenues generated by tolls that if this money was wisely invested even in various banks that the smallest of interest payable would go a long way to meeting all requirements, without 'stealing our money' to pay for barmy schemes.
It is sickening that Merseytravel pull millions out of the profits of this to (their excuse) to subsidise uneconomic rural bus routes meanwhile leaving the tunnels in debt! Well, I've got news for them, every county in the country has uneconomic rural bus routes but probably only four or five counties have toll bridges or tunnels, the others cope without pulling funding out for measly excuses. The bottom line here is Wirral motorists/commuters are being held to ransom daily by a monopoly that's also a beaurocracy too. The tunnels should be in the hands of separate organisation IF tolls have to be charged with strict rules over the costs of employees and their permissible expenses and they should be run on a not for profit basis. Yes by all means have a 'small' contingency cash reserve and then as 'unforeseen events' come along pay for them out of this fund. I suspect given the revenues generated by tolls that if this money was wisely invested even in various banks that the smallest of interest payable would go a long way to meeting all requirements, without 'stealing our money' to pay for barmy schemes. rover600
  • Score: 5

3:53pm Wed 5 Mar 14

PaulCa says...

David Scott wrote:
The tunnel tolls are certainly hitting Wirral's economy and need to go. A number of free journeys for residents will make little or no difference.
Beg to differ.

Tell that to Wirral Councillors, who'll be expecting a bumper harvest of votes in return for this i.e. asking for something they KNOW FULL WELL will not be granted, but making **** SURE it gets into the local papers.

As May approaches, the leaflets will go out:

"I WAS THE MAN / WOMAN WHO ASKED FOR FREE TUNNEL JOURNEYS FOR YOU AND YOU AND YOU... VOTE FOR ME, ME, ME"

.... The free publicity on this nonsense certainly won't do THEM any harm, but sadly, it will give a lot of people FALSE hope.
[quote][p][bold]David Scott[/bold] wrote: The tunnel tolls are certainly hitting Wirral's economy and need to go. A number of free journeys for residents will make little or no difference.[/p][/quote]Beg to differ. Tell that to Wirral Councillors, who'll be expecting a bumper harvest of votes in return for this i.e. asking for something they KNOW FULL WELL will not be granted, but making **** SURE it gets into the local papers. As May approaches, the leaflets will go out: "I WAS THE MAN / WOMAN WHO ASKED FOR FREE TUNNEL JOURNEYS FOR YOU AND YOU AND YOU... VOTE FOR ME, ME, ME" .... The free publicity on this nonsense certainly won't do THEM any harm, but sadly, it will give a lot of people FALSE hope. PaulCa
  • Score: 4

5:22pm Wed 5 Mar 14

sandals_wearer says...

Since sonoferic's taken us onto the subject of postcodes - could the Globe (and Merseyside Police spokesmen) please stop describing anywhere with a CH43 postcode as being in Prenton. Prenton's where the sorting office is, it's not where we all live!
Since sonoferic's taken us onto the subject of postcodes - could the Globe (and Merseyside Police spokesmen) please stop describing anywhere with a CH43 postcode as being in Prenton. Prenton's where the sorting office is, it's not where we all live! sandals_wearer
  • Score: 3

7:36pm Wed 5 Mar 14

benny07 says...

why do the councils pay mersey travel & arriva buses over £ 400.000 every year out of our council tax ??& last year ariiva buses got a EXTRA £ 115 MILLION,ON TOP OF THERE MASSIVE SUBSIDYS,,DIRECT OF THE DEPT OF TRANSPORT ,WHY ALL THESE MASSIVE SUBSIDIES,ON ONE BUS COMPANY ,?? WHEN MOST RUN AROUND ALL DAY EMPTY,ISNT IT TIME FOR MINI BUSES,& THAT SUBSIDY CAN GO ON FREE TUNNELS FOR ALL ?? OR IS THERE TO MANY LABOUR SNOUTS IN THE ARRIVA TROUGH ???,RESEARCH MERSEYTRAVEL & LABOUR CLLRS..
why do the councils pay mersey travel & arriva buses over £ 400.000 every year out of our council tax ??& last year ariiva buses got a EXTRA £ 115 MILLION,ON TOP OF THERE MASSIVE SUBSIDYS,,DIRECT OF THE DEPT OF TRANSPORT ,WHY ALL THESE MASSIVE SUBSIDIES,ON ONE BUS COMPANY ,?? WHEN MOST RUN AROUND ALL DAY EMPTY,ISNT IT TIME FOR MINI BUSES,& THAT SUBSIDY CAN GO ON FREE TUNNELS FOR ALL ?? OR IS THERE TO MANY LABOUR SNOUTS IN THE ARRIVA TROUGH ???,RESEARCH MERSEYTRAVEL & LABOUR CLLRS.. benny07
  • Score: 6

7:43pm Wed 5 Mar 14

benny07 says...

DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH ON MERSEYTRAVEL ARRIVA BUSES SUBSIDYS & LABOUR CLLRS,.& IT DOES,NT END THERE ..
DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH ON MERSEYTRAVEL ARRIVA BUSES SUBSIDYS & LABOUR CLLRS,.& IT DOES,NT END THERE .. benny07
  • Score: 3

10:43pm Wed 5 Mar 14

bloodtub says...

300 per house not very good for the carbon foot print is it
300 per house not very good for the carbon foot print is it bloodtub
  • Score: 3

6:33pm Thu 6 Mar 14

benny07 says...

WHY IS AN URGENT MEETING NEEDED BETWEEN MERSEYTRAVEL,BOSSES, & THE FULL LABOUR COUNCIL,? ,THEY ALL GO,TO THE SAME CLUBS TOGETHER,OH YE LABOUR CLLR BRIAN KENNY ,WHO IS ABOUT AS MUCH USE AS AN ASHTRY ON A MOTORBIKE,&, LABOUR OPOS,ARE UP FOR RE,ELECTION IN MAY,..GOOD RIDANCE TO BAD RUBBISH,THESE CLLRS,DONT GIVE A MONKEYS ABOUT ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES,USE YOUR VOTES WISELY,PEOPLE,LOOK AFTER THOSE WHO LOOK AFTER YOU.!!
WHY IS AN URGENT MEETING NEEDED BETWEEN MERSEYTRAVEL,BOSSES, & THE FULL LABOUR COUNCIL,? ,THEY ALL GO,TO THE SAME CLUBS TOGETHER,OH YE LABOUR CLLR BRIAN KENNY ,WHO IS ABOUT AS MUCH USE AS AN ASHTRY ON A MOTORBIKE,&, LABOUR OPOS,ARE UP FOR RE,ELECTION IN MAY,..GOOD RIDANCE TO BAD RUBBISH,THESE CLLRS,DONT GIVE A MONKEYS ABOUT ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES,USE YOUR VOTES WISELY,PEOPLE,LOOK AFTER THOSE WHO LOOK AFTER YOU.!! benny07
  • Score: 0

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