Wirral Council earns £12,000 in fines from one bus stop

Wirral Globe: Wirral Council's spy car. Wirral Council's spy car.

MORE parking tickets were handed out to motorists parked in a Wirral bus stop than to those parked on pedestrian crossings and yellow zig zags.

Wirral Council’s CCTV spy, which is used to catch motorists parked illegally, caught a total of 407 cars on Seaview Road, Liscard, between November 2011 and October 2013.

Figures obtained through a Freedom of Information request show that of those 407 tickets, 337 were handed out for parking on a restricted bus stop or stand, earning the council £11, 632.50 in parking fines.

Just 66 motorists were fined for stopping on a pedestrian crossing or crossing area marked by zig zags, at a cost of £2,334.50, while £35 was earned from four tickets issued for parking in a restricted street during prescribed hours.

During this period, the spy car parked in the limited waiting bays outside Burd Ward Solicitors and opposite Marley’s and the Wirral Hospice Charity Shop.

Councillor Harry Smith, Wirral’s cabinet member for highways and transportation said: “Parking illegally is an offence no matter where that offence takes places.

“It is particularly dangerous and selfish to park on yellow lines at bus stops.

“Not only is the viewpoint of people using those bus stops obscured, buses may not be able to stop, or may be forced to pick up passengers in the middle of the road, which is hazardous and holds up other traffic.”
 

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11:25am Tue 4 Feb 14

Growl Tiger says...

Let's hope this money is ring fenced for transport schemes such as the subsidy towards the Chief Executive’s new BMW. Then we can all rest in peace knowing it has been spent wisely.
Let's hope this money is ring fenced for transport schemes such as the subsidy towards the Chief Executive’s new BMW. Then we can all rest in peace knowing it has been spent wisely. Growl Tiger

11:52am Tue 4 Feb 14

WirralAl says...

The message is clear don't stop at those shops or to use the cash points better that all those shops close down and you use free parking in Asda.

No fines- Council miss out
No shops- Job losses and council miss out even more.




That actual area constantly has people walking across 3 lanes of traffic to save walking to the pelican crossing so what are they going to do about them?
The message is clear don't stop at those shops or to use the cash points better that all those shops close down and you use free parking in Asda. No fines- Council miss out No shops- Job losses and council miss out even more. That actual area constantly has people walking across 3 lanes of traffic to save walking to the pelican crossing so what are they going to do about them? WirralAl

12:13pm Tue 4 Feb 14

rover600 says...

So quote Councillor Harry Smith, Wirral’s cabinet member for highways and transportation said: “Parking illegally is an offence no matter where that offence takes places. Can he confirm therefore that the 'spy car' parked in a time limited waiting bays did not exceed the prescribed waiting period or if they did how many enforcement notices were served on thier own vehicle, As you say Councillor Smith, Parking illegally is an offence no matter where that offence takes place, the council is not above its own laws. Whilst i do not condone illegal parking I'd recommend anyone who has been a victim of this vehicle seek legal advice on the legality of a vehicle illegally parked (if it was at the time of the offence) issuing tickets... The law is the law and this council despite what they may think is not above it and has to work within the law of the land not their own.
So quote Councillor Harry Smith, Wirral’s cabinet member for highways and transportation said: “Parking illegally is an offence no matter where that offence takes places. Can he confirm therefore that the 'spy car' parked in a time limited waiting bays did not exceed the prescribed waiting period or if they did how many enforcement notices were served on thier own vehicle, As you say Councillor Smith, Parking illegally is an offence no matter where that offence takes place, the council is not above its own laws. Whilst i do not condone illegal parking I'd recommend anyone who has been a victim of this vehicle seek legal advice on the legality of a vehicle illegally parked (if it was at the time of the offence) issuing tickets... The law is the law and this council despite what they may think is not above it and has to work within the law of the land not their own. rover600

1:26pm Tue 4 Feb 14

JimmyMercury says...

Thought these things were illegal now? Strange how we have to put up with this yet we the tax paying public cannot film or photograph the council in session. .

I don't condone illegal parking but stop trying to suggest it is a road safety question and be honest. It's a cash cow. Roll on May!
Thought these things were illegal now? Strange how we have to put up with this yet we the tax paying public cannot film or photograph the council in session. . I don't condone illegal parking but stop trying to suggest it is a road safety question and be honest. It's a cash cow. Roll on May! JimmyMercury

2:20pm Tue 4 Feb 14

PaulCa says...

Luckily a local blogger noticed how this "spy in the community" was parking up very early, setting up the equipment and staying for extended periods, watching, waiting, recording and.... completely unmanned.

http://tinyurl.com/n
ctxgws

It was noticed that this operation seemed to have been planned with almost military precision. The blogger spotted very quickly how the council's interest was focussed on ONE particular bus stop, and soon became extremely doubtful about the weasel words of Councillor Harry Smith, that spy cars are "doing a sterling job saving children's lives" or whatever twaddle it is he keeps regurgitating.

There are NO school zig zags at all in this area, and this Seaview Road "bus stop" would be more accurately described in the following terms:

"WIRRAL COUNCIL REVENUE COLLECTION POINT"
Luckily a local blogger noticed how this "spy in the community" was parking up very early, setting up the equipment and staying for extended periods, watching, waiting, recording and.... completely unmanned. http://tinyurl.com/n ctxgws It was noticed that this operation seemed to have been planned with almost military precision. The blogger spotted very quickly how the council's interest was focussed on ONE particular bus stop, and soon became extremely doubtful about the weasel words of Councillor Harry Smith, that spy cars are "doing a sterling job saving children's lives" or whatever twaddle it is he keeps regurgitating. There are NO school zig zags at all in this area, and this Seaview Road "bus stop" would be more accurately described in the following terms: "WIRRAL COUNCIL REVENUE COLLECTION POINT" PaulCa

3:13pm Tue 4 Feb 14

johnbrace says...

JimmyMercury wrote:
Thought these things were illegal now? Strange how we have to put up with this yet we the tax paying public cannot film or photograph the council in session. .

I don't condone illegal parking but stop trying to suggest it is a road safety question and be honest. It's a cash cow. Roll on May!
The public can film or photograph Wirral Council in session.

Due to a power recently given to Eric Pickles about that by the Local Audit and Accountability Act 2014, there are also government regulations expected on the matter within months and probably before the next set of elections as the Act gives the Secretary of State the power to bring forward legislation on the issue at any time after 30th March 2014.
[quote][p][bold]JimmyMercury[/bold] wrote: Thought these things were illegal now? Strange how we have to put up with this yet we the tax paying public cannot film or photograph the council in session. . I don't condone illegal parking but stop trying to suggest it is a road safety question and be honest. It's a cash cow. Roll on May![/p][/quote]The public can film or photograph Wirral Council in session. Due to a power recently given to Eric Pickles about that by the Local Audit and Accountability Act 2014, there are also government regulations expected on the matter within months and probably before the next set of elections as the Act gives the Secretary of State the power to bring forward legislation on the issue at any time after 30th March 2014. johnbrace

7:50pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Llamedos 1 says...

PaulCA, on inspection it does appear to me that the signeage and roar markings at this bus stop are to specification. However that got me looking at other bus stops and I believe that the road markings in most other bus stops and even taxi bays are non compliant. Indeed the bus stops and taxi ranks in Wallasey Road in the Village outside Whetherspoons, R News and Wilkinsons are all non compliant. I do not and would never condone illegal or inconsiderate parking but this council have time and time again ignored the warnings that their compliance with the Road Traffic Sign Manuals is particularly poor. Hence the quite high number of PCN cancellations. People are begining to catch on, how can WBC issue PCN`s when they are effectively breaking the law themselves.
Do not pay any PCN without first checking the legality of any PCN by checking and seeking advice on the web site www.pepipoo.com
PaulCA, on inspection it does appear to me that the signeage and roar markings at this bus stop are to specification. However that got me looking at other bus stops and I believe that the road markings in most other bus stops and even taxi bays are non compliant. Indeed the bus stops and taxi ranks in Wallasey Road in the Village outside Whetherspoons, R News and Wilkinsons are all non compliant. I do not and would never condone illegal or inconsiderate parking but this council have time and time again ignored the warnings that their compliance with the Road Traffic Sign Manuals is particularly poor. Hence the quite high number of PCN cancellations. People are begining to catch on, how can WBC issue PCN`s when they are effectively breaking the law themselves. Do not pay any PCN without first checking the legality of any PCN by checking and seeking advice on the web site www.pepipoo.com Llamedos 1

7:56pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Llamedos 1 says...

Oh and by the way folks dont forget, they lost a case using the spy car for not putting out signs warning the public that CCTV was in operation. I am sure (but cant be certain) that I have seen this obnoxious piece of equipment on a number of occasions and the warning signs have not been out. If this is the case the Penalty Appeal Tribunal will instruct the clowns to cancel the PCN.
So keep your eyes peeled.
Oh and by the way folks dont forget, they lost a case using the spy car for not putting out signs warning the public that CCTV was in operation. I am sure (but cant be certain) that I have seen this obnoxious piece of equipment on a number of occasions and the warning signs have not been out. If this is the case the Penalty Appeal Tribunal will instruct the clowns to cancel the PCN. So keep your eyes peeled. Llamedos 1

9:11am Wed 5 Feb 14

SamusAran says...

Typical UK, conditioning the masses. It is almost illegal to breathe.
Typical UK, conditioning the masses. It is almost illegal to breathe. SamusAran

9:49am Wed 5 Feb 14

wittyone says...

Quite astonishing when you consider less than 1 minute walk from that bus stop there is a two bay taxi rank on Liscard Village in front of the Tax Accountants. Also the taxi rank outside New Brighton Station. In two years not a single ticket has been issues at either taxi rank. The taxi rank outside on Liscard village has cars parked in the bay every single night. At first they tried to fob me off with feeble excuses but after assuring them that parking/stopping and waiting in a taxi bays when your not a taxi is an offence. The council argues health and safety but the state of the car parks are not good with trip hazards existing for more than 11 months in one particular car park I know of. I would also like to add, I notice that the council is looking to introduce widespread parking charges to raise extra revenue. I notice that all the car park in and around the Town Hall are free. nice to able to suit yourself when your the one making the rules.

Mark Witty (Resident and Council Tax Payer)
Quite astonishing when you consider less than 1 minute walk from that bus stop there is a two bay taxi rank on Liscard Village in front of the Tax Accountants. Also the taxi rank outside New Brighton Station. In two years not a single ticket has been issues at either taxi rank. The taxi rank outside on Liscard village has cars parked in the bay every single night. At first they tried to fob me off with feeble excuses but after assuring them that parking/stopping and waiting in a taxi bays when your not a taxi is an offence. The council argues health and safety but the state of the car parks are not good with trip hazards existing for more than 11 months in one particular car park I know of. I would also like to add, I notice that the council is looking to introduce widespread parking charges to raise extra revenue. I notice that all the car park in and around the Town Hall are free. nice to able to suit yourself when your the one making the rules. Mark Witty (Resident and Council Tax Payer) wittyone

7:53pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Positive thinker says...

Park in the wrong place,pay up and stop winging
Park in the wrong place,pay up and stop winging Positive thinker

8:17pm Sat 8 Feb 14

antisthenes says...

I pulled into this bus stop to await a car exiting the parking bay directly adjacent to the bus stop.

Although I knew I would only be there for a matter of seconds whilst waiting for the car parking space to be vacated; I made sure that I was positioned so as not to inhibit bus access to the stop.

In the seconds I was waiting for the car to pull from its space directly ahead of me and next to the bus stop I was zapped by the spycar.

I was simply pulled over to access a parking space and no other way of accessing the car parking space was available to me!

Zero discretion, zero common sense, simply a money spinner for the council!.
I pulled into this bus stop to await a car exiting the parking bay directly adjacent to the bus stop. Although I knew I would only be there for a matter of seconds whilst waiting for the car parking space to be vacated; I made sure that I was positioned so as not to inhibit bus access to the stop. In the seconds I was waiting for the car to pull from its space directly ahead of me and next to the bus stop I was zapped by the spycar. I was simply pulled over to access a parking space and no other way of accessing the car parking space was available to me! Zero discretion, zero common sense, simply a money spinner for the council!. antisthenes

7:22pm Sun 9 Feb 14

benny07 says...

THATS PEANUTS ,THIS LABOUR COUNCIL & CLLRS SAT BACK LAST YEAR WHOLE PROSICUTING ,MORE THAN 17.500,SICK& DISABLED PEOPLE ,PROB X LABOUR SUPPORTERS,ON THE WIRRAL, WHO CUD,NT AFFORD TO PAY THERE 22% COUNCIL TAX,& GOT WIRRAL MAGISTRATES,IN BIRKENHEAD ,TO CHARGE ,EVERY SINGLE PERSON !! £ 65.00 COSTS PLUS A £ 22.00 LIABILITY ORDER ,THAT MEANS IF YOU DONT PAY UP REGARDLESS OF YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES,IT AUTOMATICLY GOES TO THE BAYLIFFS AT THE LOCAL COUNTY COURT ,MORE COSTS ARE ADDED ,THE THEN COME TO YOUR HOME & REMOVE YOUR FURNITURE,ETC,WHAT A LVVLY LABOUR COUNCIL WE HAVE ,THE TORY/LIB GOV ,ARE LAUGHIN AT YOU ALL IN THE WBC,,I SINCERLY HOPE EVERY ONE TAKES THERE CASE TO THE OMBUDSMAN,& IF NEED BE, ON TO A JUDICIAL REVIEW,YOU WILL WIN BECAUSE ,THE C/TAX & BEDROOM TAX IS ILLEGAL .THIS WILL COST THE COUNCIL A FOURTUNE IN THE END WITH ALL THE REFUNDS,&COMPENSATIO
N CLAIMS,LABOUR YOUR FINNISHED,!!! ..
THATS PEANUTS ,THIS LABOUR COUNCIL & CLLRS SAT BACK LAST YEAR WHOLE PROSICUTING ,MORE THAN 17.500,SICK& DISABLED PEOPLE ,PROB X LABOUR SUPPORTERS,ON THE WIRRAL, WHO CUD,NT AFFORD TO PAY THERE 22% COUNCIL TAX,& GOT WIRRAL MAGISTRATES,IN BIRKENHEAD ,TO CHARGE ,EVERY SINGLE PERSON !! £ 65.00 COSTS PLUS A £ 22.00 LIABILITY ORDER ,THAT MEANS IF YOU DONT PAY UP REGARDLESS OF YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES,IT AUTOMATICLY GOES TO THE BAYLIFFS AT THE LOCAL COUNTY COURT ,MORE COSTS ARE ADDED ,THE THEN COME TO YOUR HOME & REMOVE YOUR FURNITURE,ETC,WHAT A LVVLY LABOUR COUNCIL WE HAVE ,THE TORY/LIB GOV ,ARE LAUGHIN AT YOU ALL IN THE WBC,,I SINCERLY HOPE EVERY ONE TAKES THERE CASE TO THE OMBUDSMAN,& IF NEED BE, ON TO A JUDICIAL REVIEW,YOU WILL WIN BECAUSE ,THE C/TAX & BEDROOM TAX IS ILLEGAL .THIS WILL COST THE COUNCIL A FOURTUNE IN THE END WITH ALL THE REFUNDS,&COMPENSATIO N CLAIMS,LABOUR YOUR FINNISHED,!!! .. benny07

7:44pm Sun 9 Feb 14

benny07 says...

WATCH HOW FAST ,THIS LABOUR BENT COUNCIL,GETS THIS BLOG ,ABOVE,TAKEN OFF,IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME ON THIS SITE ,SO KEEP AN EYE ON IT,THANK YOU ..
WATCH HOW FAST ,THIS LABOUR BENT COUNCIL,GETS THIS BLOG ,ABOVE,TAKEN OFF,IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME ON THIS SITE ,SO KEEP AN EYE ON IT,THANK YOU .. benny07

8:45pm Sun 9 Feb 14

PaulCa says...

benny07 wrote:
THATS PEANUTS ,THIS LABOUR COUNCIL & CLLRS SAT BACK LAST YEAR WHOLE PROSICUTING ,MORE THAN 17.500,SICK& DISABLED PEOPLE ,PROB X LABOUR SUPPORTERS,ON THE WIRRAL, WHO CUD,NT AFFORD TO PAY THERE 22% COUNCIL TAX,& GOT WIRRAL MAGISTRATES,IN BIRKENHEAD ,TO CHARGE ,EVERY SINGLE PERSON !! £ 65.00 COSTS PLUS A £ 22.00 LIABILITY ORDER ,THAT MEANS IF YOU DONT PAY UP REGARDLESS OF YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES,IT AUTOMATICLY GOES TO THE BAYLIFFS AT THE LOCAL COUNTY COURT ,MORE COSTS ARE ADDED ,THE THEN COME TO YOUR HOME & REMOVE YOUR FURNITURE,ETC,WHAT A LVVLY LABOUR COUNCIL WE HAVE ,THE TORY/LIB GOV ,ARE LAUGHIN AT YOU ALL IN THE WBC,,I SINCERLY HOPE EVERY ONE TAKES THERE CASE TO THE OMBUDSMAN,& IF NEED BE, ON TO A JUDICIAL REVIEW,YOU WILL WIN BECAUSE ,THE C/TAX & BEDROOM TAX IS ILLEGAL .THIS WILL COST THE COUNCIL A FOURTUNE IN THE END WITH ALL THE REFUNDS,&COMPENS
ATIO
N CLAIMS,LABOUR YOUR FINNISHED,!!! ..
Well said Benny07.

Kind of puts the bus stop behaviour into some perspective doesn't it?

All the same, rather than being divided against each other (which is their intention) we CAN conclude that disputing employees, complainants, whistleblowers, motorists and the poor are the ones being deliberately targeted and hammered here, while these pretend "Socialists" feed at the trough of plenty, serve themselves, live it large and stuff their pockets in Brighton Street.

When is the next Mayor invested? The former leader of the abusive council? Things are R E A L L Y going to kick off around here then.............and some............. I for one can't wait.
[quote][p][bold]benny07[/bold] wrote: THATS PEANUTS ,THIS LABOUR COUNCIL & CLLRS SAT BACK LAST YEAR WHOLE PROSICUTING ,MORE THAN 17.500,SICK& DISABLED PEOPLE ,PROB X LABOUR SUPPORTERS,ON THE WIRRAL, WHO CUD,NT AFFORD TO PAY THERE 22% COUNCIL TAX,& GOT WIRRAL MAGISTRATES,IN BIRKENHEAD ,TO CHARGE ,EVERY SINGLE PERSON !! £ 65.00 COSTS PLUS A £ 22.00 LIABILITY ORDER ,THAT MEANS IF YOU DONT PAY UP REGARDLESS OF YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES,IT AUTOMATICLY GOES TO THE BAYLIFFS AT THE LOCAL COUNTY COURT ,MORE COSTS ARE ADDED ,THE THEN COME TO YOUR HOME & REMOVE YOUR FURNITURE,ETC,WHAT A LVVLY LABOUR COUNCIL WE HAVE ,THE TORY/LIB GOV ,ARE LAUGHIN AT YOU ALL IN THE WBC,,I SINCERLY HOPE EVERY ONE TAKES THERE CASE TO THE OMBUDSMAN,& IF NEED BE, ON TO A JUDICIAL REVIEW,YOU WILL WIN BECAUSE ,THE C/TAX & BEDROOM TAX IS ILLEGAL .THIS WILL COST THE COUNCIL A FOURTUNE IN THE END WITH ALL THE REFUNDS,&COMPENS ATIO N CLAIMS,LABOUR YOUR FINNISHED,!!! ..[/p][/quote]Well said Benny07. Kind of puts the bus stop behaviour into some perspective doesn't it? All the same, rather than being divided against each other (which is their intention) we CAN conclude that disputing employees, complainants, whistleblowers, motorists and the poor are the ones being deliberately targeted and hammered here, while these pretend "Socialists" feed at the trough of plenty, serve themselves, live it large and stuff their pockets in Brighton Street. When is the next Mayor invested? The former leader of the abusive council? Things are R E A L L Y going to kick off around here then.............and some............. I for one can't wait. PaulCa

9:45pm Mon 10 Feb 14

benny07 says...

thank you paulca.
thank you paulca. benny07

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