Police and planners clash over 'pavement cafe' proposal for Liscard McDonald's

Wirral Globe: Police and planners clash over 'pavement cafe' proposal for Liscard McDonald's Police and planners clash over 'pavement cafe' proposal for Liscard McDonald's

PLANS to create a pavement cafe at a fast-food restaurant in Liscard have sparked concerns over increased anti-social behaviour and litter.

McDonald’s hopes to add a little alfresco dining by creating a space for up to seven tables and 20 chairs outside the restaurant on Liscard Way.

The area will be enclosed by a removable barrier, with tables and chairs removed in the evening.

If given the go-ahead, the pavement cafe will only be used until 7pm in order to minimise noise and disturbance. It will be limited to use by paying customers.

Wirral Council’s planning committee will discuss the proposals and are recommending approval.

But both Merseyside Police and Liscard ward member councillor Janette Williamson are concerned about disruption.

In a report to the committee, Cllr Williamson said: “Liscard already has a disproportionately high level of anti-social behaviour which Cllr Bernie Mooney and I have been trying to address with local residents, police and the anti-social behaviour team.

“The accumulation of rubbish is inevitable with outdoors, fast-food eating.

"As you know, the council is already stretched to breaking point with its funding for street cleaning.”

Merseyside Police raised concerns the proposed seating area will increase anti-social behaviour in the area, with the Neighbourhood Policing team stating that if approved, it will lead to an increase in incidents and calls.

The applicant also has concerns about anti-social behaviour, but says it has been involved with police, social services and youth workers to form an "action group’" in the hope of reducing the problem.

The planning report says the seating area will be overlooked by passing members of the public on the busy pedestrian street, and by staff “through the windows.”

It states: “It is not considered there is any evidence the proposed seating will result in an increase in anti-social behaviour.

“The hours of the seating can be controlled by a condition, and the seats can be brought in at 7pm.

“In reference to concerns regarding litter, staff at the restaurant currently carry out a daily extended 'trash walk', picking up all litter in the local area, not just McDonald’s packaging.

“It is not considered the proposed outdoor seating will increase litter.”

The pavement cafe proposal will be discussed by Wirral Council’s planning committee at Wallasey Town Hall, on Thursday, December 19, from 6pm, when the final decision will rest with councillors.

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11:40am Thu 12 Dec 13

bigfoot says...

Not quite 'Cafe Rene'
Not quite 'Cafe Rene' bigfoot

11:53am Thu 12 Dec 13

WirralAl says...

I take it non of the towns planners have visited the Liscard branch on a Saturday night. They should its a real eye opener. Not the kind of place to take small children unless you want them to see drunks and load mouth swearing teenagers. 10 of them huddled round a single burger so that they can doss inside and shout and scream. Even when you leave you can run over by a bike or a skateboard.

It really is crap but if they want outside eating I would suggest that 7pm in the summer may be ok but in the darker months earlier would be sensible.

I would rather drive to A different branch.
I take it non of the towns planners have visited the Liscard branch on a Saturday night. They should its a real eye opener. Not the kind of place to take small children unless you want them to see drunks and load mouth swearing teenagers. 10 of them huddled round a single burger so that they can doss inside and shout and scream. Even when you leave you can run over by a bike or a skateboard. It really is crap but if they want outside eating I would suggest that 7pm in the summer may be ok but in the darker months earlier would be sensible. I would rather drive to A different branch. WirralAl

1:12pm Thu 12 Dec 13

rover600 says...

Anti-Social behaviour is predominantly fuelled by Alcohol which McDonalds do not sell, I'd be looking at the number of liquor licences you (The Council) grant rather than worrying about people sat outside a McDonalds, it (this outdoor seated area) will only be used by smokers anyway but arguing anti-social behaviour being the issue is way off the mark. There is a better argument for not allowing it or a McDonalds on Morbid obesity health grounds.
Anti-Social behaviour is predominantly fuelled by Alcohol which McDonalds do not sell, I'd be looking at the number of liquor licences you (The Council) grant rather than worrying about people sat outside a McDonalds, it (this outdoor seated area) will only be used by smokers anyway but arguing anti-social behaviour being the issue is way off the mark. There is a better argument for not allowing it or a McDonalds on Morbid obesity health grounds. rover600

3:54pm Thu 12 Dec 13

uncatom says...

Money would be better spent on a doorman/bouncer, I don't know about Mc Ds its more akin to a probation hostel, a shame for those that work there, but as someone stated earlier better to visit another outlet if you have little ones or are offended by the usual foul language.
Money would be better spent on a doorman/bouncer, I don't know about Mc Ds its more akin to a probation hostel, a shame for those that work there, but as someone stated earlier better to visit another outlet if you have little ones or are offended by the usual foul language. uncatom

7:50pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Llamedos 1 says...

There must be thousands of al fresco establishments around the country and I totally accept WirralAls point but I am at a loss as to why Merseyside police have stuck their oar in. Surely this is purely a clowncil decision. Why would the clowncil consult with the police when they originally stated they did not even consult the police over switching off street lighting even though Davies has stated they did consult the police.......get my drift.......liars and bufoons the lot of them.
There must be thousands of al fresco establishments around the country and I totally accept WirralAls point but I am at a loss as to why Merseyside police have stuck their oar in. Surely this is purely a clowncil decision. Why would the clowncil consult with the police when they originally stated they did not even consult the police over switching off street lighting even though Davies has stated they did consult the police.......get my drift.......liars and bufoons the lot of them. Llamedos 1

11:35pm Thu 12 Dec 13

PaulCa says...

Talking of McDonalds, "food crime" was explored on the radio today.
Talking of McDonalds, "food crime" was explored on the radio today. PaulCa

1:02pm Fri 13 Dec 13

WirralAl says...

Llamedos 1 wrote:
There must be thousands of al fresco establishments around the country and I totally accept WirralAls point but I am at a loss as to why Merseyside police have stuck their oar in. Surely this is purely a clowncil decision. Why would the clowncil consult with the police when they originally stated they did not even consult the police over switching off street lighting even though Davies has stated they did consult the police.......get my drift.......liars and bufoons the lot of them.
I agree with you. Just do more to calm the kids down. They have to hang round somewhere.
[quote][p][bold]Llamedos 1[/bold] wrote: There must be thousands of al fresco establishments around the country and I totally accept WirralAls point but I am at a loss as to why Merseyside police have stuck their oar in. Surely this is purely a clowncil decision. Why would the clowncil consult with the police when they originally stated they did not even consult the police over switching off street lighting even though Davies has stated they did consult the police.......get my drift.......liars and bufoons the lot of them.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. Just do more to calm the kids down. They have to hang round somewhere. WirralAl

3:49pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Llamedos 1 says...

Wirral Al, yes I agrre that something needs to done about the swarms of kids that hang around the Liscard McDonalds but dont Wirral Clowncil employ an ASB team....of course they do but what do they actually do....they should certainly be on the streets at hot spots.
Wirral Al, yes I agrre that something needs to done about the swarms of kids that hang around the Liscard McDonalds but dont Wirral Clowncil employ an ASB team....of course they do but what do they actually do....they should certainly be on the streets at hot spots. Llamedos 1

11:06am Sun 15 Dec 13

keef666 says...

I think they should be given the go a head on this, as there's nothing else to sing about in Liscard,
As you walk passed this spot it will be like watching the animals feeding at the zoo,
I think they should be given the go a head on this, as there's nothing else to sing about in Liscard, As you walk passed this spot it will be like watching the animals feeding at the zoo, keef666

12:16pm Thu 19 Dec 13

naughtykitties says...

I'd prefer the council not to allow this, myself. Liscard is already covered with litter from that store, I doubt that increasing their customer capacity won't result in yet more mess.

There's also the effect of what will happen to all the other food businesses in the area if McDonalds can serve more people. A couple of independent places to eat have already closed their doors in Liscard over the past couple of years. Local businesses keep their earnings in our community and pay their taxes while large "clone town" multinationals export theirs to tax havens and dodge their responsibilities.
I'd prefer the council not to allow this, myself. Liscard is already covered with litter from that store, I doubt that increasing their customer capacity won't result in yet more mess. There's also the effect of what will happen to all the other food businesses in the area if McDonalds can serve more people. A couple of independent places to eat have already closed their doors in Liscard over the past couple of years. Local businesses keep their earnings in our community and pay their taxes while large "clone town" multinationals export theirs to tax havens and dodge their responsibilities. naughtykitties

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