Consultation over council cuts comes to an end in Wirral

Wirral Globe: Consultation over council cuts comes to an end in Wirral Consultation over council cuts comes to an end in Wirral

Wirral Council’s "What Really Matters" consultation, designed as a guidance document in the preparation of the council’s budget for the coming financial year, closed today.

The results will be considered at a meeting of the council’s cabinet next week.

Cabinet will discuss the findings and make recommendations about where some £27.5m of savings should be found in the coming financial year before recommendations go to full council on December 16.

More than 6,500 residents have responded to the consultation - the highest level of response to any similar exercise in the UK.

It follows a series of over 200 events and meetings with residents, community organisations and other groups over past three months.

Chief executive Graham Burgess said: “The response to the consultation has been fantastic once again, it shows how much people care about their local services and also the confidence they have in us to take their views into consideration when preparing our recommendations to cabinet.”

A report on the findings of the "What Really Matters"  is available to view and download on the council's website 

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1:48pm Fri 6 Dec 13

PaulCa says...

(6,500 x 100) / 262,398 (eligible Wirral population) = 2.477%

Hardly a mandate.
(6,500 x 100) / 262,398 (eligible Wirral population) = 2.477% Hardly a mandate. PaulCa

1:57pm Fri 6 Dec 13

piermaster says...

PaulCa wrote:
(6,500 x 100) / 262,398 (eligible Wirral population) = 2.477%

Hardly a mandate.
Instead of finding fault tell us how you would do it!!
[quote][p][bold]PaulCa[/bold] wrote: (6,500 x 100) / 262,398 (eligible Wirral population) = 2.477% Hardly a mandate.[/p][/quote]Instead of finding fault tell us how you would do it!! piermaster

2:00pm Fri 6 Dec 13

PaulCa says...

piermaster wrote:
PaulCa wrote:
(6,500 x 100) / 262,398 (eligible Wirral population) = 2.477%

Hardly a mandate.
Instead of finding fault tell us how you would do it!!
With pleasure...
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[quote][p][bold]piermaster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulCa[/bold] wrote: (6,500 x 100) / 262,398 (eligible Wirral population) = 2.477% Hardly a mandate.[/p][/quote]Instead of finding fault tell us how you would do it!![/p][/quote]With pleasure... http://www.wirralini ttogether.wordpress. com PaulCa

2:21pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Growl Tiger says...

Idealism: Chief executive Graham Burgess said: “The response to the consultation has been fantastic once again, it shows how much people care about their local services and also the confidence they have in us to take their views into consideration when preparing our recommendations to cabinet.”

Realism: Yes we care about local services. No, the response has not been fantastic because we do not have confidence that our views are ever considered when you prepare recommendations to cabinet.
Idealism: Chief executive Graham Burgess said: “The response to the consultation has been fantastic once again, it shows how much people care about their local services and also the confidence they have in us to take their views into consideration when preparing our recommendations to cabinet.” Realism: Yes we care about local services. No, the response has not been fantastic because we do not have confidence that our views are ever considered when you prepare recommendations to cabinet. Growl Tiger

5:11pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Joeblogg85 says...

piermaster wrote:
PaulCa wrote:
(6,500 x 100) / 262,398 (eligible Wirral population) = 2.477%

Hardly a mandate.
Instead of finding fault tell us how you would do it!!
Hey Piermaster,

Taking the consultation to the people is a perfectly good strategy, although it is resource intensive and therefore a costly option staffing wise. Maybe a series of public meetings held in each local area with the Council Leader, Chief Exec, senior officers and local Councillors in attendance could be another option?

I too have some concerns regarding the consultation. The first concern is I would suggest it would take a big team some time to effectively go through 6,000 responses and come to some safe conclusions. However, it seems the Council are going to debate the responses next week which seems very soon to me.

Another concern is the wording of the questions in the consultation document. Some of them do seem to be leading in nature and also some lacking in detail.
[quote][p][bold]piermaster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulCa[/bold] wrote: (6,500 x 100) / 262,398 (eligible Wirral population) = 2.477% Hardly a mandate.[/p][/quote]Instead of finding fault tell us how you would do it!![/p][/quote]Hey Piermaster, Taking the consultation to the people is a perfectly good strategy, although it is resource intensive and therefore a costly option staffing wise. Maybe a series of public meetings held in each local area with the Council Leader, Chief Exec, senior officers and local Councillors in attendance could be another option? I too have some concerns regarding the consultation. The first concern is I would suggest it would take a big team some time to effectively go through 6,000 responses and come to some safe conclusions. However, it seems the Council are going to debate the responses next week which seems very soon to me. Another concern is the wording of the questions in the consultation document. Some of them do seem to be leading in nature and also some lacking in detail. Joeblogg85

5:50pm Fri 6 Dec 13

MDRyUK says...

I missed the target end date of 5:00pm today, Friday 6th December 2013; but as far as I am concerned in a democracy at any time The People are at liberty to connect, consult and communicate with their elected representatives and officers of the council operating via the town hall. BUT oh dear Wirral Council very rarely (if ever) listen to what the people say about local government services. So, what's the point communicating with them, they're not going to change their agenda or plans anyhow. Its all a load of kidology as far as our Council are concerned! Before you "think not" I'm afraid there's of evidence to suggest otherwise ............. just ask whistleblower Martin Morton, he'll be able to accurately describe a few home truths - the culture has not changed At All (for the better) despite recent proclamations by the Wirral/LGA Improvement Board!
I missed the target end date of 5:00pm today, Friday 6th December 2013; but as far as I am concerned in a democracy at any time The People are at liberty to connect, consult and communicate with their elected representatives and officers of the council operating via the town hall. BUT oh dear Wirral Council very rarely (if ever) listen to what the people say about local government services. So, what's the point communicating with them, they're not going to change their agenda or plans anyhow. Its all a load of kidology as far as our Council are concerned! Before you "think not" I'm afraid there's of evidence to suggest otherwise ............. just ask whistleblower Martin Morton, he'll be able to accurately describe a few home truths - the culture has not changed At All (for the better) despite recent proclamations by the Wirral/LGA Improvement Board! MDRyUK

6:41pm Fri 6 Dec 13

JohnON says...

piermaster asks... Instead of finding fault tell us how you would do it!!

What I *wouldn't * do is have the questions written by people who are expecting, or hoping for, a particular response.

It's almost inevitable the questions will be slanted towards the wanted answers unless they're written AND the answers are collated by a truly independent body.

Otherwise, it's a futile exercise and a complete waste of everyone's time.
piermaster asks... Instead of finding fault tell us how you would do it!! What I *wouldn't * do is have the questions written by people who are expecting, or hoping for, a particular response. It's almost inevitable the questions will be slanted towards the wanted answers unless they're written AND the answers are collated by a truly independent body. Otherwise, it's a futile exercise and a complete waste of everyone's time. JohnON

6:40pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Llamedos 1 says...

"Wirral Councils What Really Matters consultation closed today".......this report by the Globe then goes on to state that "a report on the findings of What Really Matters is available to view and download on the clowncils web site".....am I stupid or is that actually possible. A report available on the web site either before or on the day the consultation closes, by the Lord, thats efficiency for you....well done Wirral Clowncil.
"Wirral Councils What Really Matters consultation closed today".......this report by the Globe then goes on to state that "a report on the findings of What Really Matters is available to view and download on the clowncils web site".....am I stupid or is that actually possible. A report available on the web site either before or on the day the consultation closes, by the Lord, thats efficiency for you....well done Wirral Clowncil. Llamedos 1

2:59pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Thepleb says...

When its proposed to be cut the title is "CCTV monitoring room'
When the council shuts down for unpaid days and Christmas,bank holidays etc;
The title is 'Emergency out of hours control room' or as a super director described it our"Essential out of hours control room"..
As previously stated the public of the wirral are duped with loaded questions without the relevant details of what exactly they are voting for or the consequences when these proposals are agreed by the elected unqualified save our own bacon councillors.
When its proposed to be cut the title is "CCTV monitoring room' When the council shuts down for unpaid days and Christmas,bank holidays etc; The title is 'Emergency out of hours control room' or as a super director described it our"Essential out of hours control room".. As previously stated the public of the wirral are duped with loaded questions without the relevant details of what exactly they are voting for or the consequences when these proposals are agreed by the elected unqualified save our own bacon councillors. Thepleb

3:31pm Mon 9 Dec 13

PaulCa says...

Luckily only 2.77% of us are swindled at most. The rest of us saw them coming.

For the council It's basically a question of, "How do we market ourselves for the future, as an honest, open organisation, steeped in integrity, that can be trusted with the public's money? And within this, how do we slash services and make it look like we've had public backing to do it?"

They are doing this the HARD way i.e. loaded questions within a tiny survey; manipulative and loaded questions, taken back to base and given a destructive once over by PR vandals, presented as a false consensus and a mandate from us.... to slash our own throats because we REALLY NEED TO DO THIS.

This will be assisted by GB going on Roger Phillips to explain that "in the past it was a case of "lots of mistakes were made". And that multimillion pound organisations are bound to "make mistakes" aren't they?"

The problem is Mr Burgess, we have long memories, and if you're trying to pull the wool, you're doomed at the outset.

We will **** well cut through the propaganda and keep on reminding people about the unchecked abuse; the bullying; the mobbing and removal of Mr Morton; the shredding of documents; the blaming of the public for abject FoI failures; the six figure pay offs for abusers; the gagging clauses; the enabling of future abuse through clean bills of health; the plundering of learning disabled people's bank accounts to £736,000 and much more not declared or investigated; the non-independent investigations; the whitewashes; the failure to interview whistleblowers; the self-appointed "Improvement" Board; the payment of £48,000 to an internal rogue, still on the loose and creating havoc... ALL quite deliberate, ALL calculated, ALL churned out as a result of the abnormal machinations from which this council cannot extricate itself.

....it's a massive and hopeless task, trying to describe all of the above carefully controlled acts as "mistakes" and hoping to hide them under the carpet. History says this latest PR campaign will fail.
Luckily only 2.77% of us are swindled at most. The rest of us saw them coming. For the council It's basically a question of, "How do we market ourselves for the future, as an honest, open organisation, steeped in integrity, that can be trusted with the public's money? And within this, how do we slash services and make it look like we've had public backing to do it?" They are doing this the HARD way i.e. loaded questions within a tiny survey; manipulative and loaded questions, taken back to base and given a destructive once over by PR vandals, presented as a false consensus and a mandate from us.... to slash our own throats because we REALLY NEED TO DO THIS. This will be assisted by GB going on Roger Phillips to explain that "in the past it was a case of "lots of mistakes were made". And that multimillion pound organisations are bound to "make mistakes" aren't they?" The problem is Mr Burgess, we have long memories, and if you're trying to pull the wool, you're doomed at the outset. We will **** well cut through the propaganda and keep on reminding people about the unchecked abuse; the bullying; the mobbing and removal of Mr Morton; the shredding of documents; the blaming of the public for abject FoI failures; the six figure pay offs for abusers; the gagging clauses; the enabling of future abuse through clean bills of health; the plundering of learning disabled people's bank accounts to £736,000 and much more not declared or investigated; the non-independent investigations; the whitewashes; the failure to interview whistleblowers; the self-appointed "Improvement" Board; the payment of £48,000 to an internal rogue, still on the loose and creating havoc... ALL quite deliberate, ALL calculated, ALL churned out as a result of the abnormal machinations from which this council cannot extricate itself. ....it's a massive and hopeless task, trying to describe all of the above carefully controlled acts as "mistakes" and hoping to hide them under the carpet. History says this latest PR campaign will fail. PaulCa

3:50pm Wed 11 Dec 13

kevin casey says...

lets look back !! every time the council scews up which is quite regular .they run a paper exercise asking for residents ideas why! they never actually implement any public views. they just carry on and scew things up anyway so why bother !! when the local byelections come around they would promise you the earth but in reallity they do not give a dam? lets all do ourselfs a favour and vote them out even ukip has got to be better than what we have LOL !!!!
lets look back !! every time the council scews up which is quite regular .they run a paper exercise asking for residents ideas why! they never actually implement any public views. they just carry on and scew things up anyway so why bother !! when the local byelections come around they would promise you the earth but in reallity they do not give a dam? lets all do ourselfs a favour and vote them out even ukip has got to be better than what we have LOL !!!! kevin casey

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