SPECIAL REPORT: Four-week care delay inquiry branded a 'whitewash'

Andy Campbell: Blew the whistle on a policy that held up home care for four weeks Andy Campbell: Blew the whistle on a policy that held up home care for four weeks

A WIRRAL man whose late mother was caught up in the council’s ‘four week care delay’ has branded an inquiry into the policy as a whitewash.

And a former social worker who blew the whistle on the care delay system has today added to the gathering storm by revealing he was never interviewed by the consultant who carried out the investigation.

The furore centres around an examination of the council policy of building in a four-week delay before providing social services' home care packages for elderly and vulnerable Wirral people.

The review was revealed exclusively by the Globe yesterday and exonerates senior council officers of any wrongdoing.

It says the delaying strategy was a reasonable and responsible way to manage and prioritise care packages while staff struggled to control a huge overspend in the Department of Adult Social Services' budget.

The probe was ordered last March by Cllr Jeff Green, who was then leader of the council, after the highly-controversial system came to light.

Carer James Robinson from Birkenhead was given a letter of apology by Cllr Green after the death of his 79-year-old mother Esther, who slowly deteriorated while home help services were cut from her care package and her assessments were delayed.

Mr Robinson, who was so moved by Cllr Green’s letter that he placed it at his mother’s graveside, said the investigation's findings are an insult.

He said: “Wirral Council seem to think all they have to do is pull out a report that’s favourable to them and all is well and good - no-one ever seems to challenge them.

“I was happy with the apology and I know my mum would have accepted it.

"But this is like kicking someone when they’re down.

“I feel the whole thing has been a whitewash".

He continued: "Jeff Green’s apology could not have been more sincere. I believed he meant what he said and that he would try to sort it out.

“But of course an election happened and he was no longer in power, so everything went back to normal; it was business as usual.

“There was talk of me being involved with adult social services and helping them to improve - but that all went out of the window.

“No-one who was affected by the delay policy, including myself, was approached by this so-called independent reviewer and it seems it was only those giving the council’s view who were asked to take part.

“But that’s Wirral Council for you – they want to cover each other’s backs.”

At the time of Cllr Green's crackdown in 2012, social services whistle-blower Andy Campbell gave an exclusive interview to the Globe in which he said: "I feel angry the public have been so badly let down by the very officers charged with looking after our most vulnerable people, and that they and their families have suffered unnecessarily as a result of this unofficial policy.

"Surely the managers who were at that fateful budget meeting when the policy was decided in 2008 cannot now be trusted to be part of this investigation?"

Today he told us: "So it's finally undisputed there was a four-week delay - which to me and many of my colleagues was a policy that was inhumane and indefensible, purely designed to make managers look good in terms of saving money.

"Unfortunately, due to the pronounced culture of fear and collusion within adult social services, it was simply impossible to challenge such a policy.

"I was not interviewed as part of this review - but note that the managers who implemented the policy were.

"Why didn't the independent investigator interview front-line social workers about their perception of the four-week delay?"

He continued: "I am greatly disappointed in the belated publication of this report - which seems to be deliberately vague and full of obscure 'management-speak'.

"The facts are that people suffered, people may have died, and yet not a single council officer has ever been held accountable."

Graham Hodkinson, Wirral’s director of adult social care, said: ‘We have held an independent investigation and the resulting report has been publicly available for a number of months on our website.

"It was published in accordance with usual council policy.

"We did not include Mr Robinson in the publication of the four-week delay report because there was no link between his case and the four-week delay.

"We have met Mr Robinson to go through his concerns in detail, and
concluded that his mother’s death was outside the investigation.

"We would be happy to meet Mr Robinson again to discuss his case, and
extend our sympathies for his loss."

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Consultant Rob Vickers' report states: “Adult social services managers were endeavouring to respond in a responsible manner to demographic pressures and budgetary constraints that while in-year could equally be set against a backdrop of a recurring structural deficit.

“Advice afforded by Wirral officers would also indicate people were waiting for domiciliary care prior to the implementation of the four-week delay, which had lacked the rigour associated with the four-week delay allied to prioritisation, delegations and authorisations.

“In effect, the four-week delay introduced a managed process of managing demand for domiciliary care from independent sector providers.

"The four-week delay was one of 18 complementary budget related actions...to correct a projected in-year overspend.

"This position was reported to the strategic leadership team as a clear steer to seek to achieve the over-riding policy perspective of a balanced year-end budget for adult social services."

 

Comments(49)

Cheesy Peas says...
3:21pm Fri 8 Mar 13

I await with bated breath for the spin department to come out with its statement.

Expect the usual evasion and misdirection coming to an inbox near you, shortly.

Fact is - they're all banged to rights on this one.

ArdalMcFardle says...
3:24pm Fri 8 Mar 13

Oh dear, sneaking a report out 10 months later seems to have backfired. Another PR Fail

ArdalMcFardle says...
3:31pm Fri 8 Mar 13

"Adult social services managers were endeavouring to respond in a responsible manner to demographic pressures and budgetary constraints that while in-year could equally be set against a backdrop of a recurring structural deficit. "

Hang on, isnt that against FACS ? Does this Vickar fella even know what FACS is ?

MX says...
3:32pm Fri 8 Mar 13

Who's preparing the statement ? - Harry Houdini?.
Enough with insulting our intelligence.

woodyres2 says...
3:37pm Fri 8 Mar 13

Oh I can't wait. and we all know exactly what the Councils statement will say don't we ?

Keep up the pressure Andy & Jim it's disgusting what the council are getting away with, and it is the most vulnerable that pay the price !!!

How about some honesty for a change instead of feeding us all this rubbish !!

ArdalMcFardle says...
4:45pm Fri 8 Mar 13

""We did not include Mr Robinson in the publication of the four-week delay report because there was no link between his case and the four-week delay. "


Erm how about interviewing the whistle blowers you oaf

Cheesy Peas says...
5:06pm Fri 8 Mar 13

"It was published in accordance with usual council policy."

Wasn't it just - in the most obscure place possible without being flagged up to anyone!

Same as they do with the (alarmingly) many Serious Case Reviews that find WBC and its partners are failing people left, right, and centre.

Still, it's 5pm on a Friday. Time for the spinners to head home for wine thinking it's another week saved, rather than another week shamed.

johnhardaker says...
5:52pm Fri 8 Mar 13

Again wirral council have "No case to answer" & are we suprised NO. They never have a case to answer because they employ their mate to write an "Independent" report in the councils favour & then suprise ,suprise give him a created job when 100's of council workers are being sacked. These people are worse than criminals they are pond life without morals or scruples.
The minutes of the Dass meeting were on the councils website which" I cannot tell a lie" Rick O'Brien chaired & it clearly put forward the 4 week delay.
Can I suggest to my fellow bloggers to go onto the wirral leaks website under the banner heading 4 Week delay which clearly shows the council officers & councilors put peoples lives a risk for 30 pieces of silver, they are worse than criminals they are inhuman. My heart goes out to the people who have lost relatives because of this inhuman treatment, its
a wonder they people sleep at night with this on their conscience always they have one.

FarooqB says...
6:21pm Fri 8 Mar 13

WOW! This is some sort of a new formula to dish out justice for the those who are privileged.

Normally, for any contentious litigation case, there's a prosecution and defense. Any Judge cannot give his ruling without listening to both, even in cold-blooded murder cases.

We now know this "Independent Reviewer" did not even get in touch with Andy Campbell to find out exactly what was happening, at the time. After all, it was Andy, who was the original whistle-blower.

This isn't new for DASS, they are masterful about this sort of adventure, how to play, and get judgment either in their favour or against you. DASS had been doing this type of manipulation for years.

Hugo1008 says...
7:47pm Fri 8 Mar 13

How the hell can a report be independent if all the evidence was derived from one source, and all the statements about what was fact and what was fiction came from one unidentified source, reporting in an unknown manner.

Not to mention the complete absence of documentary proof, due to loss of documents and evidence given by the unidentified source in secret.

Added to more than one, actually several senior heads of department leaving, under strange circumstance and gagging orders after monumental enhanced payoffs.

And the classic phrase "No Case To Answer" plus not even one elected Councilor contributing any semblance of observation or proper governance for the decisions reached.

ArdalMcFardle says...
9:22pm Fri 8 Mar 13

In simple terms "To impose an artificial four-week delay is illegal because the authority is failing in its duty to meet the assessed need. The likely impact is the individual will suffer for longer than they need to.”

PaulCa says...
9:32pm Fri 8 Mar 13

Vickers actually took evidence not from an unidentified source, but from 9 senior / middle managers over a two day period. These were directly involved in creating, implementing, monitoring and reviewing the illegal four week delay in care. It's all there in the report.

It was their baby, and the pressure was on, so they defended it to him, did a sterling job, and the rest is history.

He interviewed nobody else.... because that would have invited a welter of insurmountable "problems" for him - and sure as eggs is eggs, if he'd interviewed Andy or Andy's social worker colleagues, he would have been told about the hardship and much worse that the delay was inflicting - in compelling and horrific detail....

.... but I'm sure he's not stupid. If he had approached those at the sharp end, he may not have landed the senior role he now has under contract at Wirral Council... while other LESS USEFUL people are being separated from their livelihoods.

One contribution above is wrong. If we're going to get our criticisms to hit home, and expose the malpractice, can we at least be accurate in them? The people interviewed WERE identified sources.

Here's the link to the anonymous place the council chose to put the report. It's no wonder everybody missed it. I imagine when they 'accidentally' identified the HESPE whistleblower, they'd have made a MUCH better job of it, making sure the message hit home to ALL:

http://www.wirral.go
v.uk/downloads/5564

FarooqB says...
10:35pm Fri 8 Mar 13

This beleaguered WBC does not have anything else, but to say "No Case To Answer".

If that is the case, how come so many Chief Officers left in a hurry in 2012. Its been reported, a colossal sum of £811,000 (and counting) was paid out to these Chief Officers, who had "No Case To Answer"

WirralAl says...
10:36pm Fri 8 Mar 13

Yet again this council of liars have done the same as ever.

I simply don't understand how they keep getting away with it.

Unbelievable and disgusting!

PaulCa says...
11:39pm Fri 8 Mar 13

FIVE, or the majority of the 9 managers interviewed by Vickers for the investigation ALSO attended the crucial 'smoking gun' meeting held on 23rd October 2008, exposed here in response to an FoI request:

http://tinyurl.com/c
mr9rrb

The stated aim of the meeting was "... to identify additional proposals to
manage increasing costs of community care budget." In other words set a £ceiling.

Highlights:

"Set £320 pw limit on care packages provide residential care as alternative."

"XX (brokerage) to identify high cost packages."

"Track reduction in spend on a weekly basis."

There's also much talk of "gatekeeping" which is code for being niggardly and tightening the purse strings. Correct me if I'm wrong.

"Chair to extend request for savings initiatives to all staff."

So the emphasis was very much on keeping costs down - and the four week delay, mentioned as one of a raft of measures here, was a prime mover, intended to contribute towards these ends.

ILLEGAL.

And Vickers bases his "No case to answer" findings on the utterances of five managers who were up to their eyes in this sordid, callous, unlawful activity over a two year period.

This council needs to be taken to court and the floor wiped with them.

Jimrob says...
11:43pm Fri 8 Mar 13

"We did not include Mr Robinson in the publication of the four-week delay report because there was no link between his case and the four-week delay."

There was a VERY obvious link. As my late mother was assessed. An assessment which incidentally brought outrage from my mothers own GP as the assessors never even bothered to contact her, as required by your own policies and the governing guidlines for such assessments, and instead assessed my mothers health as "Improving" when it was evident from medical records that her health had deteriorated to such a point that she was told by her GP and cardiologist that she was too weak to undergo the lifesaving operation she needed.I have the evidence Mr Hodkinson. Would you care to see it to refresh your memory?

"We have met Mr Robinson to go through his concerns in detail, and
concluded that his mother’s death was outside the investigation."

You have never met me Mr Hodkinson.

"We would be happy to meet Mr Robinson again to discuss his case, and
extend our sympathies for his loss."

And just exactly what purpose would that serve Mr Hodkinson, maybe allow the same report writers the opportunity to go over everything I have and to try to "Investigate" it with another complimentary report of how wonderful you all are at the Authority?

My late mother always used to say, "It takes a Big Man to admit it when he is wrong"

I guess there are fewer and fewer Big Men working at Senior level at WBC. Such a sad shame.

You will forgive me if I decline your kind offer but I think that my late mother would disapprove of my meeting with such people and would much rather the information was given to someone who could perform a REAL "independent" examination of the workings this policy and the legality of the same.

Cheesy Peas says...
4:31pm Sat 9 Mar 13

The reputation management obsession emanating from next door to GB's new dishwasher does WBC no favours at all.

Perhaps time to dispense with the architect of what has been a spectacularly unsuccessful "strategy" that, day after day, blows up in their faces.

But no chance. The deafening silence from all the elected members - which is clearly orders from the same desk that insists on this fatal route of "reputation management" - tells council taxpayers all they need to know.

Growl Tiger says...
10:22pm Sat 9 Mar 13

The course on teaching our councillors how to deal with media issues has been well spent. Our Council Leader speaks up in defence of criticism regarding Cllr Foulkes becoming Mayor (see letters in Wirral Globe) but not one comment from any councillor about the “Independent Whitewash Report” into the 4 week delay in social care. Instead there is a deafening silence whilst waiting for the spin department to manufacture and issue a statement. No change there then!

WirralAl says...
9:44am Sun 10 Mar 13

Growl Tiger wrote:
The course on teaching our councillors how to deal with media issues has been well spent. Our Council Leader speaks up in defence of criticism regarding Cllr Foulkes becoming Mayor (see letters in Wirral Globe) but not one comment from any councillor about the “Independent Whitewash Report” into the 4 week delay in social care. Instead there is a deafening silence whilst waiting for the spin department to manufacture and issue a statement. No change there then!
Does that indicate Phil Davis reads the comments?

WirralAl says...
9:44am Sun 10 Mar 13

Growl Tiger wrote:
The course on teaching our councillors how to deal with media issues has been well spent. Our Council Leader speaks up in defence of criticism regarding Cllr Foulkes becoming Mayor (see letters in Wirral Globe) but not one comment from any councillor about the “Independent Whitewash Report” into the 4 week delay in social care. Instead there is a deafening silence whilst waiting for the spin department to manufacture and issue a statement. No change there then!
Does that indicate Phil Davis reads the comments?

ArdalMcFardle says...
10:57am Sun 10 Mar 13

Look it's all those Wirral Leaking spoilsports fault isn't it and all the commentators here, oh and those pesky whistle-blowers who didn't take the money and shut up like good little drones.

The lamentable "Vickers report" has inadvertently damned them rather than it's intended purpose.. I love the fact that they are that actually THAT STUPID !!

MASSIVE PR FAIL - yet again. Shame on them.

water1lily says...
11:07am Sun 10 Mar 13

There is a lying virus which corrupts Wirral Council and officers who come in contact with it, not a word that is uttered can be believed yet they are never sanctioned no matter how badly they behave and how much damage they cause.

Jimrob says...
9:22pm Sun 10 Mar 13

Spent an hour this morning in a cold, windswept and snowy cemetery.

Couldn't help wondering as to the timing of this story. This year as last, just days before Mother's Day.

Wondering what would be the best way to deal with the repercussions of The Whitewash Report of Rob Vickers.

had to perform a little weeding task after the winter months, and unearthed the letter of apology from Cllr Green.

It was in surprisingly good condition considering it was buried a year ago. I read it again and cried.

I came to the conclusion that the GENUINE letter of apology from a man who was Leader of the Council that caused so much pain and anguish for it's actions, was worth far more than the lies, cover-ups and obviously NOT "Independent Reports" of people who do not deserve the title of "Public Servants"

I feel that my Mother is happy with the genuine apology and is at peace with it.

My conscience is clear, my Mother is at rest, and I believe she should be allowed to stay, "Resting in Peace"

How about you Rob Vickers?

Is YOUR conscience clear?

Can YOU rest in peace each night?

Do YOU have a wife, children, a mother?

Well I certainly hope that your wife, children, mother are proud of you and the wonderful work you do.

One day those that are responsible for this awful Report will be made to answer for their actions.

Then they will know how Judas felt and seek out the nearest tree.

Take your pieces of silver Mr Vickers, and the rest of you that have caused and are still causing such misery.

I will be taking no further action on this matter.

(RIP Mum, and Happy Mother's Day xxx)

reliant22 says...
9:58pm Sun 10 Mar 13

Jimrob
With you all the way.
You have said it all.
May those responsible ask for forgiveness.
Of course they`re not fooling anyone when they say they have no case to answer.
WE know they do.
We hope they get what they deserve.

Jimrob says...
11:48pm Sun 10 Mar 13

One last point I would like to make to Mr Vickers, whom I hope is studying this thread VERY carefully. (I'm sure you are)

Do you believe in coincidence Mr Vickers?

Or do you, like myself, believe that some things that happen in our lives are meant as a warning?

I'm sure that YOU know what date you started work for Wirral Borough Council but others may not so for them, please follow the link.

http://www.whatdothe
yknow.com/cy/request
/150611/response/367
182/attach/html/4/Mr
%20Vickers%20request
.doc.html

Then look at the date my late Mother passed away which is clearly displayed on her gravestone in the picture above.

Sleep well in your new job Mr Vickers.

bigfoot says...
9:02am Mon 11 Mar 13

If you follow Jimrob's link the correspondent mention they are leaving WBC,is it MF,who received a nice lump of 'shut up' money If so it was he who who have finally signed off the plan to implement the 4 week delay aided and abetted by his coterie and harem in Finance. All of which had the opportunity to blow the whistle and back up Andy's statement,but they didn't have the guts or probably intelligence!

PaulCa says...
11:09am Mon 11 Mar 13

bigfoot wrote:
If you follow Jimrob's link the correspondent mention they are leaving WBC,is it MF,who received a nice lump of 'shut up' money If so it was he who who have finally signed off the plan to implement the 4 week delay aided and abetted by his coterie and harem in Finance. All of which had the opportunity to blow the whistle and back up Andy's statement,but they didn't have the guts or probably intelligence!
No Bigfoot. But more info available here:

http://tinyurl.com/d

46gdlu

bigfoot says...
11:38am Mon 11 Mar 13

Thanks Paul
You couldn't make it up and now it seems can WBC-and get away with it!

water1lily says...
11:48am Mon 11 Mar 13

The more they get away with the more blatant they get they even lied in replies to our two MP's questions, there should be a law against that at least.

johnhardaker says...
12:37pm Mon 11 Mar 13

Jimbob I was nearly in tears in when I read your thread & having recently lost my mother in law who was cared for day by day in a wonderful nursing home in oxton for 8 years & died peacefully & with dignity & no trauma I know how you feel with the abuse of wirral Dass & the corrupt people who's uncaring attitude probably let to your mothers early demise, My heart goes out to you & your family & may your lovely mum rest in peace

johnhardaker says...
12:43pm Mon 11 Mar 13

Jimbob I was nearly in tears in when I read your thread & having recently lost my mother in law who was cared for day by day in a wonderful nursing home in oxton for 8 years & died peacefully & with dignity & no trauma I know how you feel with the abuse of wirral Dass & the corrupt people who's uncaring attitude probably let to your mothers early demise, My heart goes out to you & your family & may your lovely mum rest in peace

Positive thinker says...
5:43pm Mon 11 Mar 13

It's a game and WBC are good at it

ArdalMcFardle says...
7:35pm Mon 11 Mar 13

Positive thinker wrote:
It's a game and WBC are good at it
people dying is a game ? Jeeez

PaulCa says...
10:41pm Mon 11 Mar 13

I had a phone conversation with Rob Vickers today, who admitted that he made no declaration of 'independence', is now employed by the council and is unrepentent:

http://tinyurl.com/c
4q62xl

Jimrob says...
12:29am Tue 12 Mar 13

Thank you PaulCa for the link and the mention at the end of your conversation with Mr Vickers.

I am not at all surprised by his silence when you mentioned my Late Mother.

One can not defend the indefensible.

And thank you to everyone else who have expressed their kind thoughts and wishes and a special Thanks once again to Stephanie Cureton and the Editor of the Globe for some more great reporting and for allowing Free Speech to be maintained here at the Globe, one of the last real bastions of TRUTH here on the Wirral

cyfiawnder says...
6:18am Tue 12 Mar 13

I was a social worker employed by Wirral Council working for the Adult services at the time of the 4 week delay and can confirm that it happened. I raised my concerns with my team manager and a service manager all of whom agreed with me that the policy was illegal and wrong. The conversations I had with them were 'off the record; they won't admit this publicly as that would expose them to their being complicit and part of it. I actually witnessed a death because of the 4 week delay. In a team I worked in, a social worker was trying to get a service in to a vulnerable woman. She was found dead. I went through the whistle blowing procedure and wrote to elected members. The reply I had was total legal jargon. Not addressing my concerns at all. Basically the elected members will make platitudes and do bugger all, the senior managers will get the legal people to try and come up with some loophole to get around their actions. There is no integrity or honesty amongst the senior people working for Wirral.

ArdalMcFardle says...
8:27am Tue 12 Mar 13

cyfiawnder wrote:
I was a social worker employed by Wirral Council working for the Adult services at the time of the 4 week delay and can confirm that it happened. I raised my concerns with my team manager and a service manager all of whom agreed with me that the policy was illegal and wrong. The conversations I had with them were 'off the record; they won't admit this publicly as that would expose them to their being complicit and part of it. I actually witnessed a death because of the 4 week delay. In a team I worked in, a social worker was trying to get a service in to a vulnerable woman. She was found dead. I went through the whistle blowing procedure and wrote to elected members. The reply I had was total legal jargon. Not addressing my concerns at all. Basically the elected members will make platitudes and do bugger all, the senior managers will get the legal people to try and come up with some loophole to get around their actions. There is no integrity or honesty amongst the senior people working for Wirral.
And there it is , thank you for this insight into what really went on behind the hollow transparent spin and arrogant press releases.

Are WBC's PR team so out of touch they actually think they are 'professionals' - They are totally mired in lies, evasions and stonewalling.But they aren't even good at that

At least some people spoke out against the corruption. Well done cyfiawnder

PeteSheff says...
9:10am Tue 12 Mar 13

cyfiawnder wrote:
I was a social worker employed by Wirral Council working for the Adult services at the time of the 4 week delay and can confirm that it happened. I raised my concerns with my team manager and a service manager all of whom agreed with me that the policy was illegal and wrong. The conversations I had with them were 'off the record; they won't admit this publicly as that would expose them to their being complicit and part of it. I actually witnessed a death because of the 4 week delay. In a team I worked in, a social worker was trying to get a service in to a vulnerable woman. She was found dead. I went through the whistle blowing procedure and wrote to elected members. The reply I had was total legal jargon. Not addressing my concerns at all. Basically the elected members will make platitudes and do bugger all, the senior managers will get the legal people to try and come up with some loophole to get around their actions. There is no integrity or honesty amongst the senior people working for Wirral.
cyfiawnder - I strongly suggest sharing your correspondence with Wirral Leaks or the Globe.

People shouldn't die when a local authority mismanages it's budgets and officers should be accountable for their actions when they act unlawfully.

Jimrob says...
9:25pm Tue 12 Mar 13

cyfiawnder wrote:
I was a social worker employed by Wirral Council working for the Adult services at the time of the 4 week delay and can confirm that it happened. I raised my concerns with my team manager and a service manager all of whom agreed with me that the policy was illegal and wrong. The conversations I had with them were 'off the record; they won't admit this publicly as that would expose them to their being complicit and part of it. I actually witnessed a death because of the 4 week delay. In a team I worked in, a social worker was trying to get a service in to a vulnerable woman. She was found dead. I went through the whistle blowing procedure and wrote to elected members. The reply I had was total legal jargon. Not addressing my concerns at all. Basically the elected members will make platitudes and do bugger all, the senior managers will get the legal people to try and come up with some loophole to get around their actions. There is no integrity or honesty amongst the senior people working for Wirral.
Well I never....

I wonder if Mr Hodkinson and Mr Vickers would care to change their stance of the "Independent" report in view of this latest allegation?

I'll ask again......

"Do you believe in coincidence Mr Vickers?

Or do you, like myself, believe that some things that happen in our lives are meant as a warning?"

unbeleivable says...
8:05am Wed 13 Mar 13

Well done cyfiawnder

Mary Adair says...
11:46am Wed 13 Mar 13

What bit of this did Vickers fail to grasp ? -

"“To impose an artificial four-week delay is illegal because the authority is failing in its duty to meet the assessed need. The likely impact is the individual will suffer for longer than they need to.”

Vickers Says - "Adult Social Services managers were endeavouring to respond in a responsible manner to demographic pressures and budgetary constraints "

BUT - and this is KEY - The councils own legal advice from Weightmans solicitors said in black and white -

“If the reason was to save money, then clearly it would be unlawful and the Council would be heavily criticised”"

So there you have it - It was not reasonable - it WAS ILLEGAL !!!

and in case anybody isn't getting this -

"Ed Mitchell, legal columnist for Community Care and editor of Social Care Law Today, said:

"The courts will afford a council a reasonable period of time to put a care service in place as they recognise that services cannot be conjured up out of thin air. But a policy of not even beginning the process of securing services until a set period of time has elapsed cannot be considered lawful."

Slam Dunk. Will they apologise ? Breath holding not advised

Positive thinker says...
9:05pm Wed 13 Mar 13

If WBC say they've investigated the matter and say no case to answer,why can no one accept that

Jimrob says...
10:21pm Wed 13 Mar 13

Positive thinker wrote:
If WBC say they've investigated the matter and say no case to answer,why can no one accept that
Sir/Madam/Ugg Boot Wearer,

Your comments are not welcomed by either my family or myself.

I know we all have the right of free speech but most of use our mouths for such things, NOT the orifice at the top and to the rear of our legs.

PeteSheff says...
1:58am Thu 14 Mar 13

When the facts aren't reflected in the cover up, ignoring of whistleblowers, denial of the policy..

The initial investigation is undertaken by the officer responsible for implementing the unlawful policy..

When the policy is blatantly put in place during a budget meeting to save money..

When legal advice is provided damning the policy..

When senior officers deny its existence and only following a FOI request is it disclosed..

Then a further investigation is undertaken by the department with terms of reference to describe why it was done.. Without any reference to the law..and the authority's duty of care.

Then it is appropriate to conclude that it has been investigated appropriately and concluded. It has been fudged and brushed under the carpet.

We are talking about suffering, people dying and distress.. To save money as DASS overspent every year. Describe it how you will as addressing a structural deficit - but it was still illegal, immoral and unethical.

woodyres2 says...
11:14am Thu 14 Mar 13

Positive thinker wrote:
If WBC say they've investigated the matter and say no case to answer,why can no one accept that
You are a heartless idiot, I am lost for words at your comment !!

johnhardaker says...
12:59pm Thu 14 Mar 13

Positive thinker I think you are either a staff member of Dass or a councilor to hold this view or completely ignorant of the views expressed above not only by the people who have suffered & the brave ex council worker who came out with the truth but if you had followed the story from the start where Rick"i cannot tell a lie" O'Brien chaired a meeting where the 4 week delay was at the head of the agenda but you probably know this anyway. So you obviously have no heart nor the milk of human kindness.I could go on but the editor would probably withdraw my comments.

Mary Adair says...
3:26pm Thu 14 Mar 13

Positive thinker wrote:
If WBC say they've investigated the matter and say no case to answer,why can no one accept that
Well done you insensitive miscreant - just when you type the most stupid thing I've ever read, you go and reach for your keyboard again and take stupidity to a whole new level.

"why can no one accept that" HELLO, HELLO ? Maybe because they don't actually tell the truth you blithe acquiescent oaf!

RL 1952 says...
4:52pm Thu 14 Mar 13

cyfiawnder wrote:
I was a social worker employed by Wirral Council working for the Adult services at the time of the 4 week delay and can confirm that it happened. I raised my concerns with my team manager and a service manager all of whom agreed with me that the policy was illegal and wrong. The conversations I had with them were 'off the record; they won't admit this publicly as that would expose them to their being complicit and part of it. I actually witnessed a death because of the 4 week delay. In a team I worked in, a social worker was trying to get a service in to a vulnerable woman. She was found dead. I went through the whistle blowing procedure and wrote to elected members. The reply I had was total legal jargon. Not addressing my concerns at all. Basically the elected members will make platitudes and do bugger all, the senior managers will get the legal people to try and come up with some loophole to get around their actions. There is no integrity or honesty amongst the senior people working for Wirral.
Well done cyfiawnder for your forthright honesty something that senior mgt within DASS totally lack, they have a cover up machinery that is both immoral and totally lacking in integrity that shows no respect for service users or their relatives and leaves services users demeaned having lost their dignity and what does DASS management do - COVER UP, its a disgrace that has gone on for far too long - where are ALL the local MPs hiding away as usual too afraid to get involved in such a prominent and sensitive issue - you should be ashamed of failing your consitituents and their extyended families - WELL DONE AGAIN TO THE WIRRAL GLOBE FOR YOUR REPORTING

bickyboy says...
9:49pm Thu 14 Mar 13

Positive thinker wrote:
If WBC say they've investigated the matter and say no case to answer,why can no one accept that
There's a time and a place for your stupid, tedious trolling, PT: and this topic isn't it.

Back off, take a pill and maybe your unpleasant addiction to polluting serious discussions involving adults with your infantile attention-seeking will go away.

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