Police Commissioner candidate backs calls for death penalty

10:51am Tuesday 30th October 2012 in News

Hilary Jones Hilary Jones

CALLS to bring back the death penalty for child murderers are being supported by a candidate standing in the forthcoming police commissioner elections.

UKIP candidate Hilary Jones has voiced her support for Wirral MEP Paul Nuttall who believes serial killers should pay the ultimate price for their crimes.

Ms Jones said she would fight for a referendum to be held on the subject if she was given the role of police and crime commissioner for Merseyside.

She said: “If elected I would lobby for a referendum to be held on this subject to let the public decide.

“I am right behind Mr Nuttall when it comes to tougher sentences for criminals.”

UKIP deputy leader Mr Nuttall said “soft-sentencing” must become a thing of the past and all crimes must be dealt with appropriately.

He said: “It is time that those who commit such heinous crimes should face the ultimate sanction against them.

"We so recently had two women police officers blasted to death in Manchester and all our brave bobbies face similar risks every day. They deserve all the protection the State can provide and I believe that means the death penalty awaiting culprits.

"And the same should apply to those who murder children and for serial killers. We must lay down a mark in the sand beyond which the ultimate price must be paid by offenders.

"People have had more than enough of soft sentencing in this country and it must be made plain that crime will not be tolerated. That starts from low level anti-social behaviour, which needs to be dealt with firmly, and goes up to murder.

"The Police Federation support introducing the death penalty for those who kill police officers and I back them in that aim," he said.

The PCC elections take place on November 15.

Other candidates standing for Merseyside are:
Geoffrey Gubb – Conservative
Jane Kennedy – Labour
Kiron Reid – Independent
Paul Rimmer – English Democrats
Paula Keaveney – Liberal Democrats

 

Comments(24)

bigfoot says...
12:03pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Nice to hear the voice of reason from UKIP!
You've blown your vote!

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JacqueHughes says...
2:49pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Four words for the "bring back hanging" brigade: Timothy, Evans, Ludovic, Kennedy.
Please study it before you come back with a kneejerk response.

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Tautology says...
3:34pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Quite strong views you have Hilary.
Tell me, as a member of UKIP, how do you feel about the Islamification of Birkenhead?
How do you feel about a colonising, 'Mass Theology', that will engulf us within the next two-three generations?
How do you feel about Islamic Terrorists who could likely be residing in this town?
Would they be included in your list? Want my Vote! Then simply reply.

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Tautology says...
3:46pm Tue 30 Oct 12

JacqueHughes wrote:
Four words for the "bring back hanging" brigade: Timothy, Evans, Ludovic, Kennedy.
Please study it before you come back with a kneejerk response.
And not counting those who were wrongly sentenced for murder, since the end of the death penalty.
They themselves would have swung.
It's my view, that the taking of one innocent life, negates the taking of a thousand guilty

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Jimrob says...
10:15pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Shot yourself well and truly in the foot there my dear.

UKIP will NOT be getting my vote.

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The Agent Apsley says...
10:19am Wed 31 Oct 12

Sadly, there will always be idiots who believe arguments such as that the risk of imprisonment is an insufficient deterrent and that, if it could be that of a capital sentence, people would suddenly stop doing bad things, because of what they might risk.

The same idiots, thankfully, are stupid enough to make us aware of their views: if they get shunned like the plague, they have - by their own reckoning - a just penalty for their crimes.

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Dantealighieri says...
2:19pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Eighteen words for the 'abolitionists' brigade: Ian Brady, Myra Hindley, Ian Huntley, Robert Black, Ronald Jebson, Thomas Hamilton, Michael Ryan, Roy Whiting, Rosemary West, perhaps in 12 months another 2, Dale Cregan and Mark Bridger. Please study before you come back with a knee-jerk response. To be honest I wasn't too sure whether to list the victims, but in murder, as in any crime the victims always outnumber the perpetrators, so I thought I'd keep it short. Tautoligy, I must say I do admire your second post, the bit about one innocent life etc. I'm going to make up, hopefully, an imaginary incident. Supposing one of your real or imaginary Islamic Terrorists, who could be hiding in 'this' town, boards a train, hops off at Hamilton Square, leaving behind his rucksack. 1 minute into the Mersey Tunnel, it explodes. For you there could be 2 outcomes. You could bask in the glory and say 'I told you so, or you could be occupied with something else. Suppose your family were in the carriage. The terrorist is arrested, proved beyond all doubt to be guilty, and sentenced to 'life' imprisonment. We then have your life and his. His, with his special diet, prayer mat, TV, gym, library, mobile phone, possibly drugs, who knows. Yours, when you put your key in the front door and open it the only sound is that of a dripping tap, no greeting, nothing. You sit down in front of the TV, open a can, light a ciggy, but you don't bother with the TV. What would be the point? I'm ashamed to say, I wouldn't have your tolerance, your understanding, your ability to forgive, not only yours of course but that of JaqueHughes, Jimrob, or The Agent Apsley, because if that happened to me, I would want him dead. Isn't that awful of me?

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JacqueHughes says...
2:52pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Dantealighieri wrote:
Eighteen words for the 'abolitionists' brigade: Ian Brady, Myra Hindley, Ian Huntley, Robert Black, Ronald Jebson, Thomas Hamilton, Michael Ryan, Roy Whiting, Rosemary West, perhaps in 12 months another 2, Dale Cregan and Mark Bridger. Please study before you come back with a knee-jerk response. To be honest I wasn't too sure whether to list the victims, but in murder, as in any crime the victims always outnumber the perpetrators, so I thought I'd keep it short. Tautoligy, I must say I do admire your second post, the bit about one innocent life etc. I'm going to make up, hopefully, an imaginary incident. Supposing one of your real or imaginary Islamic Terrorists, who could be hiding in 'this' town, boards a train, hops off at Hamilton Square, leaving behind his rucksack. 1 minute into the Mersey Tunnel, it explodes. For you there could be 2 outcomes. You could bask in the glory and say 'I told you so, or you could be occupied with something else. Suppose your family were in the carriage. The terrorist is arrested, proved beyond all doubt to be guilty, and sentenced to 'life' imprisonment. We then have your life and his. His, with his special diet, prayer mat, TV, gym, library, mobile phone, possibly drugs, who knows. Yours, when you put your key in the front door and open it the only sound is that of a dripping tap, no greeting, nothing. You sit down in front of the TV, open a can, light a ciggy, but you don't bother with the TV. What would be the point? I'm ashamed to say, I wouldn't have your tolerance, your understanding, your ability to forgive, not only yours of course but that of JaqueHughes, Jimrob, or The Agent Apsley, because if that happened to me, I would want him dead. Isn't that awful of me?
When I hear of the dreadful deaths of murder victims I too am moved to the point ,emotionally, at which feel I could personally take the life of the perpetrator. However that is not rational, civilised thought.
Your phrase " proved beyond all doubt to be guilty" reminds me that all those found guilty have been " proved beyond all doubt to be guilty". No judge at the verdict says "We are fairly sure you did it." Yet so many innocent people turn up on death row.
This is only one of the several reasons why I am totally opposed to any return of capital punishment.
Obviously you and I have diametrically opposed points of view on this and neither of us, in the course of any amount of discussion, will ever come to any kind of agreement, I'm sure you will agree.

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Positive thinker says...
3:01pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Something needs to be done,the level of serious crime is not going down.

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JacqueHughes says...
3:02pm Wed 31 Oct 12

On a different point I would ask whether,legally, it is appropriate for anyone obtaining the post of Police Commissioner to lobby for a return of capital punishment.
I ask because I genuinely would like to know and the opinion of someone properly qualified to respond would be greatly appreciated.
Does the Separation of Powers apply in this case?

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The Agent Apsley says...
4:48pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Thankfully, it is down to the rule of law, not to the lynch-mob, what penalty is imposed, however vengeful the surviving victim of a crime and / or his or her family may feel.

I simply pointed out that the people who commit any offence for which anyone might seriously think a death penalty appropriate are largely not alive to the possibility of any penalty at the time - one just has to think of the number of domestic incidents from which murder arises to realize that the person who kills is giving no thought to such things in what happens.

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Positive thinker says...
6:15pm Thu 1 Nov 12

It would be a different story on this blog if anyone had lost a family member or a loved one

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JacqueHughes says...
7:05pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Positive thinker wrote:
It would be a different story on this blog if anyone had lost a family member or a loved one
I have.

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Positive thinker says...
9:40pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Sorry to hear that,but I think if I lost someone in that way I would feel strongly about the death sentence

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JacqueHughes says...
9:49pm Thu 1 Nov 12

JacqueHughes wrote:
Positive thinker wrote:
It would be a different story on this blog if anyone had lost a family member or a loved one
I have.
As I've intimated before,I do feel strongly about it.
I've had a number of decades to consider and reconsider the whole thing. For quite a few years now my views have been as I've already stated.

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PaulCa says...
10:27pm Thu 1 Nov 12

It's cynical electioneering. No more, no less. She has some nuisance value, nothing more, and will fade back into obscurity very quickly, I hope.

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Spiffy says...
11:24am Fri 2 Nov 12

PaulCa wrote:
It's cynical electioneering. No more, no less. She has some nuisance value, nothing more, and will fade back into obscurity very quickly, I hope.
Yup but nice move on her part getting everyone talking about the death penalty, wasnt it.
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Kinda makes people forget that the "justice system" doesn't even bother to lock people up that much anymore... and even when they do there's no punishment element to it...doesn't it. Not sure how she reconciles her future fantasy of putting people to death with todays reality of streets teeming with criminals of every level in Open Prison UK. From the sublime to the ridiculous.
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There isn't a hope in hell of her having any influence on the "Justice" system to such a great extent as the death penalty and she knows it. If she really doesn't know this then she bl**dy well should and has no business standing for this position in the first place.

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The Agent Apsley says...
8:22pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Spiffy and PaulCa both think that this is a woman - Hilary is also a man's name (see photo).

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Dantealighieri says...
10:53pm Fri 2 Nov 12

PaulCa- I'm not too sure how you go about recognising the difference between a long held genuine belief and that of 'cynical electioneering'. Unless of course you have some evidence of an opposite point of view ever being expressed? If you haven't, then let us suppose that because this is about the election of a Police Commissioner and not global warming, some voters may be interested in the views on such matters from those taking part. Obviously the opinions of Ms. Jones on Capital Punishment were extremely important to some of the above posters. As shining examples of tolerant, kind, understanding, and forgiving members of the general public, they would have been mortified if they had, by any small chance, given their vote to Hilary, believing she was a limp wrist-ed Lefty Liberal politically correct do gooder, only to find out later she was a member of the 'hang-em high' club. I always thought being honest and straight, especially in politics these days, was something of a rare commodity and should be welcomed. 007 Agent Apsley- Post 10.19 Wed. "Sadly, there will always be idiots....The same idiots, thankfully are stupid enough to make us aware of their views..... shunned like the plague" Does that description apply to the police?

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bickyboy says...
8:32pm Sun 4 Nov 12

Only the very worst regimes still have the death penalty. Amongst them Iran, China and some states of the USA where its still considered OK to torture citizens by confining them for years on Death Row and then killing them.
Can I imagine the UK being added to that list of shame? Only in an alternative universe where Nigel Farage's colourful but useless anti-EU rants are good for anything more than cheap entertainment.

The capital punishment debate isn't simply about the possibility of killing citizens who are later found to be innocent: its about wanting to live in a country where ALL life is sacred, and not just the lives of those the State chooses to be merciful upon.

Nil points on this one, UKIP.

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PaulCa says...
11:11pm Sun 4 Nov 12

Dantealighieri, she's in UKIP, who don't tend to welcome 'limp wrist-ed Lefty Liberal politically correct do gooders' much less put them up as candidates!

This is a right wing party that wants the votes of the cerebrally challenged. Election candidates are supposed to display their plumage, which she has done here, at least to a certain extent.

As a UKIP candidate, she knows she won't be receiving any 'lefty liberal' votes, so the next move is to appeal to as many right wing nut jobs or the terminally stupid as possible by making this statement.

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David Scott says...
11:22am Mon 5 Nov 12

In my experience UKIP members have diverse opinions, but share a core desire to see the end of the surrender of power made by successive governments since 1972.

This is now favoured by the majority of the public. Despite the abuse they heaped on UKIP, the pro-EU elite (politicians and media) are now seen to have been on the wrong side of the argument.

Beyond getting back the power to govern ourselves, there is a shared belief in a smaller state, in less intrusive regulation, more individual responsibility, more common sense in the way things are run, and a need to get back to trading freely with the whole world.

There is no UKIP policy on capital punishment - different people have different views - and why not?

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Hugo1008 says...
11:17am Tue 6 Nov 12

All very emotional and full of no doubt heartfelt feelings of what is right and what is wrong.

As all our lives, actions, and human behaviour is now ruled by finance or that ugly stuff called money.

Lets debate what does it cost, to keep a person in prison, when that person has committed a henious crime, and absolutly no shadow of doubt is clearly obvious. There are these cases.

Why should we go to the expence, why should we take into consideration a huge number of factors relating to what is or what is not suitable punishment.

Is living in controled conditions in some standard of comfort with no prospect of release for many many years an adequate punishment or deterent, even with the best of efforts to re-habilitate a person who set out to deliberatly kill maim and injure others, is this really a sign of civilisation or just an example of more money than sense.

Just for the sake of Economics, there has to be some deep meaningful debate about this subject, and for the sake of Democracy a decision could be reached, that is of course by a large majority, to me that is fully the meaning of Humanity and Civilisation.

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The Agent Apsley says...
7:43pm Tue 6 Nov 12

If you want to say that the cost of life imprisonment (which rarely means life) justifies killing the person instead, then you might as well execute anyone who commits any crime on the basis that you don't, then, need prisons, and the former prison guards can carry out the state killings - no point stopping on that slippery slope with the villain who got eight years for armed robbery, just kill everyone!

In fact, the population explosion and the economics of feeding everyone probably dictate sending Terminators out to cull the human race...

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